Will Variants and Ill-Health Continue to Plague Economic Outlooks?

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On 1/18/2022 at 12:02 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Ivermectin has been administered to people against worms and other macroscopic parasites. The connection to Covid eludes me thus far.

Socialized medicine is not perfect, but better than anything US' got. Where absolutely everything somehow ends up having a few extra zeroes slapped to the sticker price, compared to anywhere else in the world.

Not that "medical insurance" is a misnomer. No actual insurance can hedge away a risk the probability of which is 1.0 (guaranteed to happen), as in we all do get sick and sicker, till we are completely dead.

US is Socialized Medicine.  That is the problem(government control/pricing).  A tiny portion is actually private and quite affordable and generally found in rural areas. 

Ivermectin has been used from everything from AIDS to parasites.  Shown to block 80% of replication in a multitude of different virus's which is superior to any mRNA "vaccine" 4 months after you have taken the crap.  Ivermectin also has next to zero complications. Multiple Papers published BEFORE insanity due to COVID happened and science/logic was thrown out the window in a rush to cover their ass with political authoritarian expediency. 

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On 1/18/2022 at 9:47 AM, Tom Nolan said:

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/01/15/triple-vaccinated-developing-ade/

Official data suggests the Triple Vaccinated are developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome at an alarming rate

By The Exposé on January 15, 2022

An in-depth investigation of 5 months worth of official UK Government data published by the UK Health Security Agency seems to confirm predictions previously made by The Expose that the Covid-19 “booster” dose would provide a very short lived temporary boost to the immune systems of the vaccinated population before decimating their immune systems much more rapidly than had already been seen in people who had received two doses of the Covid-19 vaccine.

In short, official UK Government data strongly suggests that the Covid-19 vaccinated population are developing some new form of Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) publish a weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report, with each report containing four weeks worth of data on Covid-19 cases, hospitalisations, and deaths by vaccination status. For our investigation we analysed 5 of these published Vaccine Surveillance Reports containing data from August 16th 2021 to January 2nd 2022, in order to get a clear picture on the effect the Covid-19 vaccines are having on the immune systems of the vaccinated population, and this is what we found…

The UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Reports used for our investigation can all be found here –

• ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 37’ (Published by PHE)
• ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 41’ (Published by UKHSA)
• ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 45’ (Published by UKHSA)
• ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 49’ (Published by UKHSA)
• ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 1 – 2022’ (Published by UKHSA)

Real-World Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness

Pfizer claim that their Covid-19 mRNA injection has a vaccine effectiveness of 95%. They were able to claim this because of a simple calculation (full details of which can be viewed here) performed on the number of infections confirmed amongst the vaccinated group and the not-vaccinated group during the earliest stages of the still ongoing clinical trials.

Now, thanks to a wealth of data published by the UK Health Security Agency we are able to use the same calculation that was used to calculate 95% effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine, to calculate the real world effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines, and the data unfortunately paints an extremely concerning picture.

The week 37 Vaccine Surveillance report included the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status between week 33 and week 36 of 2021 (August 16th to September 12th). Because the report tells us the Covid-19 case rates per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated and two dose vaccinated population we are able to calculate the real-world vaccine effectiveness during this period, and it proved to be as follows –

Source

The real-world effectiveness of all available Covid-19 vaccines combined was as low as minus-47% in the 60-69 age group, and as high as +66% in the under 18 age group between August 16th and September 12th 2021. The only other age groups that the vaccine was showing to have positive effect at this point were 18-29, 30-39, and 80+. But as you can clearly see none of the age groups were showing a vaccine effectiveness anywhere near 95%.

However, just look at how the tables turn just one month later.

The week 41 Vaccine Surveillance report included the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status between week 37 and week 40 of 2021 (September 13th to October 10th), and the real-world vaccine effectiveness during this period was proving to be as follows –

Source

The real-world effectiveness of all available Covid-19 vaccines combined was as low as minus-109% in the 40-49 age group, and as high as +89% in the under 18 age group between September 13th and October 10th 2021. The only other age group that the vaccine was showing to have positive effect at this point was 18-29.

What’s concerning here though is how far the real-world effectiveness of the vaccine has fallen in all age groups, but especially the 40-49 age group which fell from a real world of effectiveness of minus-36% to minus-109%.

The fact that the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines had surpassed the minus-100% barrier in suggested that not only were the vaccines failing, but they were also completely decimating the immune system of the recipients.

This makes the next Vaccine Surveillance report frightening reading.

The week 45 Vaccine Surveillance report included the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status between week 41 and week 44 of 2021 (October 11th to November 7th), and the real-world vaccine effectiveness during this period was proving to be as follows – –

Source

The real-world effectiveness of all available Covid-19 vaccines combined was as low as minus-126% in the 40-49 age group, and as high as +78% in the under 18 age group between October 11th to November 7th 2021. The only other age group that the vaccine was showing to have positive effect at this point was again 18-29.

What’s concerning here is that two more age-groups have surpassed the minus-100% barrier, with the 50-59 age group falling to minus-116% and the 60-69 age group falling to minus-120%. But what is perhaps more concerning is that the effectiveness of the Covid-19 injections has continued to decline in the 40-49 age group after already surpassing the minus-100% barrier in the previous month.

What we can also see from the above is that the effectiveness of the Covid-19 injection in persons over the age of 80 has climbed from minus-22% to minus-9 percent. This coincides with the booster jab roll-out to this age group, suggesting the vaccines do in fact boost the immune system But it is worth noting that there is still a negative effectiveness in this age group, and it still lower than the minus-3% effectiveness seen between week 33 and week 36 of 2021.

The week 49 Vaccine Surveillance report however, provides a much clearer picture on the effect of the boosters on the vaccinated population in the short term.

The week 49 Vaccine Surveillance report included the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status between week 45 and week 48 of 2021 (November 8th to December 5th), and the and the real-world vaccine effectiveness during this period was proving to be as follows –

The real-world effectiveness of all available Covid-19 vaccines combined was as low as minus-120% in the 40-49 age group, and as high as +80% in the under 18 age group between November 8th to December 5th 2021. The real-world effectiveness of the Covid-19 injections actually only decreased in the 18-29-year-olds and 30-39-year-olds during these four weeks.

People over the age of 70 were rewarded with a major boost to their immune systems over these four weeks, with vaccine effectiveness proving to be +27% in 70-79-year-olds between 8th Nov and 5th Dec 21, compared to minus-84% between 11th Oct and 7th Nov 21.

Whilst vaccine effectiveness in people over the age of 80 increased to +47% between 8th Nov and 5th Dec 21, compared to minus-9% between 11th Oct and 7th Nov 21.

Everyone between the age of 40 and 69 was also rewarded with a boost to their immune system during this period, however not enough to show a positive vaccine effectiveness. This boost in vaccine effectiveness coincides with when the booster shots were administered to each age group as can be seen in the below graph taken from the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 1 – 2022.

Source – Page 23

Based on vaccine effectiveness turning positive in everyone over the age of 70 following the booster shot after previously showing a negative effectiveness, we should expect to see a much improved vaccine effectiveness in 40-69-year-olds in the next published Vaccine Surveillance Report.

But unfortunately this isn’t the case.

The week 1 – 2022- Vaccine Surveillance report included the number of Covid-19 cases by vaccination status between week 49 and week 52 of 2021 (December 6th to January 2nd), and the and the real-world vaccine effectiveness during this period proved to be as follows –

Real-world vaccine effectiveness dropped to the lowest levels yet across all age groups except for the over 70’s between December 6th and January 2nd, but the over 70’s still dropped into negative effectiveness.

The expected further boost to 40 to 69-year-olds did not materialise and instead a huge tumble in vaccine effectiveness was recorded, dropping to -151% in 40-49-yer-olds.

Vaccine effectiveness also tumbled in the 30-39-year-old age group to minus-123%, despite the booster jab being administered to millions in week 49.

The following graph illustrates the increase/decrease in vaccine effectiveness by the month among each age group over a period of 5 months from 16th Aug 21 to 2nd Jan 22.

The first booster shots were administered in week 37 of 2021, and this graph illustrates clearly how they provided a boost in vaccine effectiveness in the following two months. But unfortunately it also shows how short lived this boost was with the effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines falling to frightening levels between week 49 and 52.

But what does a positive / negative vaccine effectiveness actually mean?

Vaccines work by simulating a viral attack and provoking the immune system into responding as if you have had the virus. They are supposed to train the immune system to the point where you develop natural immunity to the virus. Therefore, vaccine effectiveness is really a measure of the immune system performance induced by the vaccine.

A vaccine effectiveness of +50% would mean that the fully vaccinated are 50% more protected against Covid-19 than the unvaccinated. In other words the fully vaccinated have an immune system that is 50% better at tackling Covid-19.

A vaccine effectiveness of 0% would mean that the fully vaccinated are 0% more protected against Covid-19 than the unvaccinated, meaning the vaccines are ineffective. In other words the fully vaccinated have an immune system that is equal to that of the unvaccinated at tackling Covid-19.

Whilst a vaccine effectiveness of -50% would mean that the unvaccinated were 50% more protected against Covid-19 than the fully vaccinated, meaning the vaccines actually decimate the immune system.

Therefore with the real-world effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines proving to be negative in everyone over the age of 18 in England, this means double/triple vaccinated adults immune systems are being decimated.

Immune System Performance

The formula used to calculate the real-world effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccines was based on the exact calculation used by Pfizer to demonstrate that their vaccine had an alleged effectiveness of 95%.

• U = No. of Cases among the unvaccinated  
• V = No. of Cases among the fully vaccinated
• U – V / U = Vaccine Effectiveness

However in order to calculate the immune system performance we need to perform a slightly different calculation that divides the answer to U – V by the largest of the number of cases among either the unvaccinated or fully vaccinated.

Therefore, the calculation for a positive immune system performance is –

U – V / U

Whilst the calculation for a negative immune system performance is –

U – V / V

The following table shows the monthly boost/decline in the immune systems of the vaccinated population compared to the natural immune systems of the unvaccinated population-

This shows that as of the 2nd January 2021 (Month 5), triple/double vaccinated 40-49-year-olds currently have the worst immune system performance at -60%. But they are closely followed by 30-39-year-olds at -58%, 18-29-year-olds and 50-59-year-olds at -55%, and 60-69-year-olds at -47%.

The following graph illustrates the overall immune system performance among all age groups in England over the past 5 months –

What we can see from the above is that the immune system performance for adults aged between 18 and 59 has deteriorated to the worst levels yet since they were given the Covid-19 vaccine. Whilst the immune system performance of everyone over the age of 60 has deteriorated dramatically following receipt of the booster shot, but not yet to the level seen between week 37 and week 40.

The over 70’s have however seen the most dramatic fall in immune system performance between month 4 and month 5 alongside 18-29-year-olds.

The 55% boost to the immune systems of the over 80’s given by the boosters between month 3 and month 4 has all but deteriorated between month 4 and month 5. Their immune system is performing 1% better than it was in month 3 but still 54% worse than their unvaccinated counterparts.

The 73% boost to the immune systems of the 70-79-year-olds given by the boosters between month 3 and month 4 has also all but deteriorated between month 4 and month 5. Their immune system is performing 10% better than it was in month 3 but still 63% worse than their unvaccinated counterparts.

The minor boost however, given to the immune Systems of everyone between the age of 30 and 59 by the boosters between month 3 and 4 has been completely decimated by the following month, whilst 18-29-year-olds have seen a 60% decline in their immune system performance between months 4 and 5.

The following graph illustrates the boost/degradation in immune system performance among all age groups in England over the past 5 months –

Covid-19 Vaccine Induced Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome

The real-world effectiveness of the Covid-19 injections wains significantly in a short amount of time, but unfortunately for the vaccinated population, rather than the immune system returning to the same state it was prior to vaccination, the immune system performance begins to rapidly decline making it inferior to that of the unvaccinated.

Now the official UK Government data proves that a booster dose of the vaccine can give a short term boost to the immune system of the vaccinated, but unfortunately this same data shows that the immune system performance then begins to decline even faster than it was prior to the booster dose being given.

This data therefore suggests that the vaccinated population will now require an endless cycle of booster shots to boost their immune systems to a point where it does not fail but is inferior to that of the unvaccinated population.

Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is a condition that leads to the loss of immune cells and leaves individuals susceptible to other infections and the development of certain types of cancers. In other words, it completely decimates the immune system.

Therefore, could we be seeing some new form of Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome?

Only time will tell, but judging by the current figures it looks like we will only need to wait a matter of weeks to find out.

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Keep it coming man.  I read all your Shit.  Had Covid at least once(lost taste for a short period)

No way in this world would I ever take that mRNA shit.  Hell, at this point the Chinese "vaccine" would be superior if one is forced to take shit to get a piece of paper to satisfy the Totalitarian Regime power mongers. 

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18 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

So, they were gonna secretly cure the Chinese bats made sick by Fauci's reseach? Kewl. The ivermectin bit refers to another document, from April 2020? This is potentially bigger than ivermectin though, giving a good explanation as to where Covid as such actually comes from.

?  Everyone knew this before April 2020... Did you have your head buried in the snowbank with your fingers in your ears at the time? 

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14 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

US is Socialized Medicine.  That is the problem(government control/pricing).  A tiny portion is actually private and quite affordable and generally found in rural areas. 

Ivermectin has been used from everything from AIDS to parasites.  Shown to block 80% of replication in a multitude of different virus's which is superior to any mRNA "vaccine" 4 months after you have taken the crap.  Ivermectin also has next to zero complications. Multiple Papers published BEFORE insanity due to COVID happened and science/logic was thrown out the window in a rush to cover their ass with political authoritarian expediency. 

This explains nothing about prices in US healthcare being orders of magnitude off everybody else's, socialized or not.

You are welcome to provide links to research on ivermectin suppressing viral replication.

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

?  Everyone knew this before April 2020... Did you have your head buried in the snowbank with your fingers in your ears at the time? 

I tend to ignore the conspiracies grabbing the popular mind. Have plenty of my own to attend to

Found a whole bunch of research making big claims for ivermectin and bunch more debunking the claims. No easy way to see what is up. Does not look like either side has a firm grasp on the mechanism of action.

Suppressing virus reproduction is hardly so simple. I've got Hepatitis B, so I am with the AIDS guys They can cure me for good, similarly to the Hepatitis C accident, but the preparations involved are not really OTC.

Curing something for good is bad for stock valuations, though

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/can-gilead-withstand-hep-c-boom-and-bust-or-will-merck-abbvie-win/

 

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1 hour ago, Tom Nolan said:

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

This explains nothing about prices in US healthcare being orders of magnitude off everybody else's, socialized or not.

You are welcome to provide links to research on ivermectin suppressing viral replication.

Well, here are 142 studies both positive and negative in different aspects all tabulated in one place... https://c19ivermectin.com

This does not show the studies done BEFORE 2020 which you can do a simple search for yourself.  Why they did not link to them, I am not sure though they did link to the 2013 overdose study.  Maybe a paywall?  Or just hard to find. 

HERE is a 2018 study, showing 49% drop in viral load on Dengue Fever Virus: https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pntd.0006934

It should be noted the ~50% viral load reduction is in line with a multitude of studies in the links (142 and counting) above which average around ~50%-->70% depending on circumstances.

There are many more.  Of course getting studies before 2020 in a search engine in 2022 is getting progressively more difficult. 

Ivermectin, if taken early appears to be a miracle anti viral drug useful across a mutlitude of virus's.  No, it does not CURE you, but it does appear to allow your body's immune system to do its intended job

PS: The fact you say orders of magnitude... just shows you are a troll.  No, USA health care is not 100's of times more expensive.  Its not even 2X and most of the world pays the same cost, they just hide the cost better with sweet lies. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by footeab@yahoo.com

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Suppressing virus reproduction is hardly so simple. I've got Hepatitis B, so I am with the AIDS guys They can cure me for good, similarly to the Hepatitis C accident, but the preparations involved are not really OTC.

 

 

Here is Ivermectin decreasing viral load for Hepatitis E  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8119233/

I am sure someone has done study on your Hepatitis B... search, you might help yourself...

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

PS: The fact you say orders of magnitude... just shows you are a troll.  No, USA health care is not 100's of times more expensive.  Its not even 2X and most of the world pays the same cost, they just hide the cost better with sweet lies. 

 

I have been hospitalized both in US and elsewhere and know the difference.

For example. My monthly dose of Hepatitis B antivirals cost over two grand in US. Same only costs something like 140 EUR here in Austria. (Without insurance, I pay some 6 EUR they charge for all prescription drugs)

Indian generics manufacturers can provide the stuff for $2. (and do, for the most of the 3rd world. The stuff is also part of the typical AIDS stack)

The principal component, a drug called tenofovir, has been invented in 1981 in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, which is within a year of discovery of AIDS itself. So, the Czechs forgot to claim anything about AIDS, just said it ought to be good against any retrovirus.

So, the consecutive 20 years have been spent approving the stuff, patenting it to exacting Western standards and starting a major pharmaceutical company Gilead, which did nothing else for most of its existence. Worth $86+ billions today.

Please don't waste mine, or anybody else's time with parroting the idiotic "Russian trolls" narrative. AFAIK, there is no evidence whatsoever of Russian government employing any such "trolls" to troll random online forums. This much I immediately suspected. The people with requisite knowledge of foreign languages do not exactly come cheap in Russia. The opposite is not true - rich Western governments employ a whole army of trolls to troll the Runet (Russian Internet) Now that you can hire half the Ukraine for what amounts to your pocket change even more so.

The specific invention of "Russian trolls from St Petersburg" goes back to Mueller's "investigation" of Trump's and has been thrown out by US Federal court on the account of circular reasoning. (The only evidence Mueller ever had was media reports citing himself as a source)   

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/12/concord-management-and-the-end-of-russiagate/

The actual court order is linked from the above.

So, since the Russian trolls officially never existed according to US' own law, you are technically engaged in some kind of libel here, I reckon.

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here is Ivermectin decreasing viral load for Hepatitis E  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8119233/

I am sure someone has done study on your Hepatitis B... search, you might help yourself...

Thanks. Hepatitis E is not really a very close relative.

My viral load is already zero, thanks to Tenofovir. I would have to take the medication for the rest of my life for it to stay that way.

They can actually treat it for good, by similar means they accidentally cured Hepatitis C, but it is tedious. They need to combine some conventional antiviral with a fancy Interferon and monitor the patient closely for long-ass time. Nothing happens for something like 72 weeks and than the virus goes on a last-ditch offensive, resulting in massive viral load. There, you up the antiviral dose for a short period.

I suppose this is starting to percolate since the last I looked into it, which was around 2018. FDA already approving some kind of Interferon derivative for B

https://www.everydayhealth.com/hepatitis/treating-hepatitis-with-interferon.aspx

The official verbiage changed, too. Used to say that there is no permanent cure possible at all. The Interferon stuff does not really cost them negligible money to make. Indian generics in South Africa go for some $40/month, which is most of any drug I've seen a generic for.

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3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here is Ivermectin decreasing viral load for Hepatitis E  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8119233/

I am sure someone has done study on your Hepatitis B... search, you might help yourself...

"In general, HEV infection is self-limiting, with an extremely low mortality rate."

Almost like you don't need ivermectin and prescribing it would therefore be unethical.  Unless you want to be the first guinea pig...  this paper was just a cell line.

"our findings warrant further studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety profiles of prolonged ivermectin treatment for treating HEV infection, preferably in animal models first, before moving into human clinical trials."

 

Edited January 20, 2022 by TailingsPond

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Thanks. Hepatitis E is not really a very close relative.

My viral load is already zero, thanks to Tenofovir. I would have to take the medication for the rest of my life for it to stay that way.

They can actually treat it for good, by similar means they accidentally cured Hepatitis C, but it is tedious. They need to combine some conventional antiviral with a fancy Interferon and monitor the patient closely for long-ass time. Nothing happens for something like 72 weeks and than the virus goes on a last-ditch offensive, resulting in massive viral load. There, you up the antiviral dose for a short period.

I suppose this is starting to percolate since the last I looked into it, which was around 2018. FDA already approving some kind of Interferon derivative for B

https://www.everydayhealth.com/hepatitis/treating-hepatitis-with-interferon.aspx

The official verbiage changed, too. Used to say that there is no permanent cure possible at all. The Interferon stuff does not really cost them negligible money to make. Indian generics in South Africa go for some $40/month, which is most of any drug I've seen a generic for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribavirin

way better than ivemectin...

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On 1/19/2022 at 3:23 AM, El Gato said:

Yes the Western Europeans are a bunch of stuck up snobs

oh so all 200 million people are stuck up snobs! no generalisations or xenophobia here then!

How many European countries have you actually visited? How many real people have you actually met and had a discussion with? Or do you base your judgement on films with pri*ks like Hugh Grant?

Are all Americans fat gung ho war mongerers? - NO

Are all Irish people stupid - No

are all Australians convicts and rough diamonds - No

Comments like that are soooo stupid and arrogant, you seem to beilieve in stereotypes.

I consider myself a well travelled person and the more I do travel and meet people the more I realise the majority of any nation are good people who all want the best they can out of their own personal situation. There are bad people in every country the vast majority arent.

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12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

You just proved why NO ONE should ever believe a Muslim.  Muslims are taught to lie & murder the Kafir.

Why the only good moderate Muslim is a converted Muslim to any other religion or dead. 

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Have you actually read the Quran (Koran)? Core beliefs below:-

The Five Pillars are the core beliefs and practices of Islam:

• Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ...
• Prayer (salat). ...
• Alms (zakat). ...
• Fasting (sawm). ...
• Pilgrimage (hajj).

I reckon if @ronwagn wasnt already a Christian he might have become a muslim if he was born in a foreign country as he professes to fasting, prayer and has a faith. Would he be taught to lie & murder the Kafir too?

Personally I do not believe in any religion, but many teachings are a good way to live your life.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Rob Plant

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12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Then they are lying to you and can do so because of your willful ignorance of their religion who tells them to lie and murder the Kafir(unbeliever)

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15 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

"In general, HEV infection is self-limiting, with an extremely low mortality rate."

Almost like you don't need ivermectin and prescribing it would therefore be unethical.  Unless you want to be the first guinea pig...  this paper was just a cell line.

"our findings warrant further studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety profiles of prolonged ivermectin treatment for treating HEV infection, preferably in animal models first, before moving into human clinical trials."

 

Yup, specific drugs against specific virus's are always better.  Ivermectin has ~zero side effects in essence.  The worst is if you take a gargantuan overdose(100X recommended) and a few people break out in a rash.  The only question with Ivermectin(has not been fully studied to my knowledge) is if you take it all the time for greater than a month.   Otherwise in the short term(1 month) it appears to be completely benign for everyone and is dirt cheap to boot. 

No free lunch in engineering so I do not see why there would be a free lunch in Biology either.

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18 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I have been hospitalized both in US and elsewhere and know the difference.

For example. My monthly dose of Hepatitis B antivirals cost over two grand in US. Same only costs something like 140 EUR here in Austria. (Without insurance, I pay some 6 EUR they charge for all prescription drugs)

Indian generics manufacturers can provide the stuff for $2. (and do, for the most of the 3rd world. The stuff is also part of the typical AIDS stack)

The principal component, a drug called tenofovir, has been invented in 1981 in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, which is within a year of discovery of AIDS itself. So, the Czechs forgot to claim anything about AIDS, just said it ought to be good against any retrovirus.

So, the consecutive 20 years have been spent approving the stuff, patenting it to exacting Western standards and starting a major pharmaceutical company Gilead, which did nothing else for most of its existence. Worth $86+ billions today.

Please don't waste mine, or anybody else's time with parroting the idiotic "Russian trolls" narrative. AFAIK, there is no evidence whatsoever of Russian government employing any such "trolls" to troll random online forums. This much I immediately suspected. The people with requisite knowledge of foreign languages do not exactly come cheap in Russia. The opposite is not true - rich Western governments employ a whole army of trolls to troll the Runet (Russian Internet) Now that you can hire half the Ukraine for what amounts to your pocket change even more so.

The specific invention of "Russian trolls from St Petersburg" goes back to Mueller's "investigation" of Trump's and has been thrown out by US Federal court on the account of circular reasoning. (The only evidence Mueller ever had was media reports citing himself as a source)   

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/12/concord-management-and-the-end-of-russiagate/

The actual court order is linked from the above.

So, since the Russian trolls officially never existed according to US' own law, you are technically engaged in some kind of libel here, I reckon.

I Know English is your 2nd language, but I called you a troll for being hyperbolic, not your ancestry. 

As for the meds: USA has patent protection, EU countries just steal it.  You are right, Theft is cheaper...  As for out of patent stuff, it is dirt cheap in the USA as well.  Doctors get kickbacks from Pharmaceutical companies to prescribe the New under patent drugs instead of the old generics though.  So, if you go to doctors office you have to do research to get the old generics and save yourself $$$.  Gasp!  YOU have to be knowledgable about YOUR disease and LEARN... Say it is not SO! 

As for the Russia garbage by our corrupt politicians here in the USA... Yes, all us US citizens knew it was lies from the beginning and nothing but political whores smacking each other to distract from their corruption. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by footeab@yahoo.com

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13 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

oh so all 200 million people are stuck up snobs! no generalisations or xenophobia here then!

How many European countries have you actually visited? How many real people have you actually met and had a discussion with? Or do you base your judgement on films with pri*ks like Hugh Grant?

Are all Americans fat gung ho war mongerers? - NO

Are all Irish people stupid - No

are all Australians convicts and rough diamonds - No

Comments like that are soooo stupid and arrogant, you seem to beilieve in stereotypes.

I consider myself a well travelled person and the more I do travel and meet people the more I realise the majority of any nation are good people who all want the best they can out of their own personal situation. There are bad people in every country the vast majority arent.

My apologies, I meant the Euro leadership and power brokers. The Irish are a fun and passionate people, The English used to be until Socialization set in in set in in thier society, now they are an endangered species I believe.  Ive visited Spain and England for the record.

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On 1/19/2022 at 2:33 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

This explains nothing about prices in US healthcare being orders of magnitude off everybody else's, socialized or not.

You are welcome to provide links to research on ivermectin suppressing viral replication.

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

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20 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Have you actually read the Quran (Koran)? Core beliefs below:-

The Five Pillars are the core beliefs and practices of Islam:

• Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ...
• Prayer (salat). ...
• Alms (zakat). ...
• Fasting (sawm). ...
• Pilgrimage (hajj).

I reckon if @ronwagn wasnt already a Christian he might have become a muslim if he was born in a foreign country as he professes to fasting, prayer and has a faith. Would he be taught to lie & murder the Kafir too?

Personally I do not believe in any religion, but many teachings are a good way to live your life.

Religious Persecution

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnCYHAYSmKztKhWYS-esLqlIw-b8RX9-pm_An5Yokh4/edit

Open your eyes Rob. Sure there are good and bad people in every religion. See who is persecuted around the world. 

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4 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds#Data

In this rating, US is doing very well, but Turkey and Germany do even better. Both are into affordable healthcare. As is pretty much everybody outside of US. Another random chart with European nations. All subside healthcare. You should able to see that there is not even a clear correlation between how rich a country is and how good the coverage. If anything, the former Commies in the East are in the lead. This is because the Commies had a systematic approach to dealing with pandemics as national emergencies, in coordinated and interdisciplinary fashion. They were drills. You can see how it works in China for example. There are probably still people in the East who remember a thing or two.

Nothing like that in the civilized West, everybody does their own thing. Now, having a specifically excellent and expensive healthcare institution here and there does not a national medical emergency system make! It is obviously especially pointless to try to cure select few of an infectious disease. They'll just get infected again.

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8 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I Know English is your 2nd language, but I called you a troll for being hyperbolic, not your ancestry. 

As for the meds: USA has patent protection, EU countries just steal it.  You are right, Theft is cheaper...  As for out of patent stuff, it is dirt cheap in the USA as well.  Doctors get kickbacks from Pharmaceutical companies to prescribe the New under patent drugs instead of the old generics though.  So, if you go to doctors office you have to do research to get the old generics and save yourself $$$.  Gasp!  YOU have to be knowledgable about YOUR disease and LEARN... Say it is not SO! 

As for the Russia garbage by our corrupt politicians here in the USA... Yes, all us US citizens knew it was lies from the beginning and nothing but political whores smacking each other to distract from their corruption. 

Patent protection for a medicine discovered by somebody else? Like Gilead becoming a $86bln company patenting a Czech invention published free of charge, as peer-reviewed research. This should be a clear case of "prior art", invalidating the patent

EU countries seem to follow a semi-generic model of sorts. They pay a price somewhere in-between research-free generics and arbitrarily high ask of a sole provider. Good half of the pharma industry is not based in USA, but Switzerland. They got patents too

Some doctors are willing to engage the patient in shop talk, some not at all. IMHO, the government monopoly on dope has to go. Ultimately, I decide what I inject and why. No recipes, no chemical is illegal.

Some of the Russian garbage does stick. All you have to do tell bigger lies more often and some of it will stick. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Hitler's_description

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10 hours ago, El Gato said:

My apologies, I meant the Euro leadership and power brokers. The Irish are a fun and passionate people, The English used to be until Socialization set in in set in in thier society, now they are an endangered species I believe.  Ive visited Spain and England for the record.

Ok no worries

We still know how to party trust me! 😉

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Religious Persecution

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnCYHAYSmKztKhWYS-esLqlIw-b8RX9-pm_An5Yokh4/edit

Open your eyes Rob. Sure there are good and bad people in every religion. See who is persecuted around the world. 

Thanks Ron always happy to learn, thanks for the post!

Edited January 21, 2022 by Rob Plant