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The U.S government, Big Tech and Mainstream Media have weaponized the Narrative, whether it be Covid or the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

https://www.activistpost.com/2022/04/the-fbi-boosts-its-social-media-surveillance-technology.html

The FBI Boosts Its Social Media Surveillance Technology

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As per FBI’s procurement documents, the tool had to be able to scrape data from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn, Deep/Dark Web, VK, and Telegram, while being able to do the same with Snapchat, TikTok. Reddit, 8Kun, Gab, Parler, ask.fm, Weibo, and Discord would be considered a plus, FedScoop said.

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The U.S government, Big Tech and Mainstream Media have weaponized the Narrative, whether it be Covid or the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

https://www.corbettreport.com/socialmedia/

The Weaponization of Social Media

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...The DARPA document that details the Pentagon's plans for influencing opinions in the social media space is called "Social Media in Strategic Communication." DARPA's goal, according to their own website, is "to develop tools to help identify misinformation or deception campaigns and counter them with truthful information."...

...As worrying as this research is, it pales in comparison to the knowledge that governments, militaries and political lobby groups are already employing squadrons of foot soldiers to wage information warfare in the social media battlespace.

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9 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Ukraine is winning just about as much as trump.

It obviously depends on what you consider "winning". 

Russian invasion reached its high watermark so far around March 10. By that time it was stopped everywhere by Ukrainian army, and most importantly, Kyiv remained free. And this was with most of NATO arms support not reaching the frontlines yet.

NATO assistance will be more and more important they longer the war goes, as Ukraine can't really replace its lost equipment.

 

Arguably more important than that though, Ukraine received years of training from NATO countries that helped reform and modernize their military, and they're actively receiving real-time intelligence from NATO sources that helps with targeting and operational planning.

Ukraine's own role in the war's success though is tantamount, they wouldn't be "winning" if they weren't so united against Russia, didn't have high morale, and weren't willing to risk everything to fight for their independence. 

Have they won the war? No absolutely not. But they will be in a increasingly better position.

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26 minute video with source footage and imagery.  TRANSCRIPTS at link

https://www.corbettreport.com/socialmedia/

The Weaponization of Social Media

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Now openly admitted, governments and militaries around the world employ armies of keyboard warriors to spread propaganda and disrupt their online opposition. Their goal? To shape public discourse around global events in a way favourable to their standing military and geopolitical objectives. Their method? The Weaponization of Social Media. This is The Corbett Report.

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On 4/12/2022 at 2:15 AM, TailingsPond said:

Evil democrats providing good jobs... lol.

Facebook, Google, Apple etc. are also high-quality employers.  Do you want everyone to live a life of poverty like it is some sort of virtue?  Read what you write occasionally.

Perhaps the private sector needs to step up.  Historically unions drive improvement in working conditions even in non-union shops. 

Lastly, unions are not unique to the public sector, many trades etc. are unionized.

Nothing stops trump supporters from getting government or tech jobs other than incompetence.

Don't worry trump will launch a successful social media platform soon. ;)   Correct?  Or another failure on the long list?

talk about losing tech workers, RIP Russian tech industry:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/technology/russia-tech-workers.html

Russian Tech Industry Faces ‘Brain Drain’ as Workers Flee

Since their country invaded Ukraine, Russian tech workers have left by the thousands. They appear intent on rebuilding their lives and businesses in other countries.

In early March, days after Russia invaded Ukraine and began cracking down on dissent at home, Konstantin Siniushin, a venture capitalist in Riga, Latvia, helped charter two planes out of Russia to help people flee.

 

The planes flew south past the Black Sea to Yerevan, the capital of Armenia, where thousands of other Russian tech workers fled in the weeks after the invasion. Thousands more flew to Georgia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and other countries that accept Russian citizens without visas.

By March 22, a Russian tech industry trade group estimated that between 50,000 and 70,000 tech workers had left the country and that an additional 70,000 to 100,000 would soon follow. They are part of a much larger exodus of workers from Russia, but their departure could have an even more lasting impact on the country’s economy.

The exodus will fundamentally change the Russian tech industry, according to interviews with more than two dozen people who are part of the tightknit community of Russian tech workers around the world, including many who left the country in recent weeks. An industry once seen as a rising force in the Russian economy is losing vast swaths of its workers. It is losing many of the bright young minds building companies for the future.

“Most Russian tech workers are part of the global market. Either they work for global companies or they are tech entrepreneurs trying to build new companies for the global market,” Mr. Siniushin said through an interpreter from his office in Riga. “So they are leaving the country.”

The recent exodus reverses 10 to 15 years of momentum in the Russian tech industry, said Konstantin Sonin, an economist at the University of Chicago’s Harris School of Public Policy, who immigrated from Russia to the United States. “It is now like the ’90s, when whomever was able to move moved out of the country,” he said.

Tech is a small part of the Russian economy compared with the energy and metals industries, but it has been growing rapidly. The loss of many young, educated, forward-looking people could have economic ramifications for years to come, economists said.

“The long-run impact may be more significant than the short-run impact,” said Barry Ickes, head of the economics department at Pennsylvania State University, who specializes in the Russian economy. “Eventually, Russia has to diversify its economy away from oil and gas, and it has to accelerate productivity growth. Tech was a natural way of doing that.”

Workers left the country because they objected to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, no longer wanted to live under the Putin regime and feared they could not speak their minds if they remained. Working in tech, a comparatively lucrative industry, they had money to flee the country. And like other tech workers globally, they could continue their work from anywhere with a laptop and an internet connection.

Others left because their companies pulled them out.

After foreign governments imposed sanctions on Russia and many American and European companies stopped selling products there or barred access to banking and internet services, some Russian tech workers did not have the tools needed to do their work. Companies struggled to pay them.

Some worked for companies based in Russia and others for companies with headquarters elsewhere. Many start-ups in the United States and Europe — including many founded by Russian-born entrepreneurs — relied on software coders, engineers and other tech workers in Russia. To Russian entrepreneurs living abroad, these workers were a known quantity, and they were not as expensive as specialists in Silicon Valley and other parts of the United States.

“We will not be able to attract as much funding if we still have employees in Russia,” she said.

“We don’t have enough quality apartments for highly educated people with high salaries and high standards,” said Aram Shahbandarian, a former Google employee based in Yerevan who is helping many Russians move to the city. “Yerevan is cracking.”

Vahan Kerobyan, Armenia’s economy minister, said in an interview that as a country with a strategic relationship with Russia, it was not marketing itself as trying to pull companies out of Russia, but that if companies decided to move, it would work to accommodate them.

“The Armenian tech community is providing support to their Russian friends, and the government is very much worried about giving Russian companies a nice place that is not too expensive where they can work,” he said. Mr. Kerobyan estimated that 43,000 people had moved from Russia to Armenia, half of whom hold Russian passports and half Armenian passports.

Many of those workers may eventually move on to other places because visa restrictions require them to leave their current home after a certain number of days. Many are unsure where they might go. Others are planning moves to up-and-coming tech hubs farther away, such as Dubai and Lisbon.
 

Russia has a tradition of producing talented software engineers and web developers. Noteworthy companies like Telegram and Yandex have come from the country. As sanctions cut the country off from the global economy, tech companies will have to take cues from China, a much larger country, where businesses have succeeded by catering to domestic customers.

The Russian government wants to keep tech workers in the country, offering lower tax rates, preferable mortgages and even the promise that they will not be conscripted into the army, according to state media. Last week, Mikhail V. Mishustin, the prime minister of Russia, called on Russian tech workers to create “our own ecosystem.”

“The motherland gave you all you need to do your work,” Mr. Mishustin said in his annual address to Parliament. “You will be able to work reliably and calmly for your country, for your company, earn normal money and live here comfortably.”

Stepan Pachikov, considered by many to be one of Russia’s first successful tech entrepreneurs after he built Parascript, a company that made handwriting software for Apple machines, said that the smartest tech workers had been leaving the country for years but that the pace was accelerating.

As Mr. Pachikov has watched Russia become economically isolated from the world and more restrictive at home, he has little optimism about the future. “It’s devastating,” he said. “If you lose too much blood, it is death for the body. Russia has lost a lot of blood.”

 
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21 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

The U.S government, Big Tech and Mainstream Media have weaponized the Narrative, whether it be Covid or the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

https://www.corbettreport.com/socialmedia/

 

or perhaps it is something more nefarious?

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/putin-the-internet-is-a-cia-project/

Putin: The Internet is a CIA project

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Biden calls Russian actions 'genocide'

Biden knows a bit about genocide in Eastern Europe.

(The administration he was shit talking was Clinton's.)

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4 hours ago, surrept33 said:

It obviously depends on what you consider "winning". 

Russian invasion reached its high watermark so far around March 10. By that time it was stopped everywhere by Ukrainian army, and most importantly, Kyiv remained free. And this was with most of NATO arms support not reaching the frontlines yet.

NATO assistance will be more and more important they longer the war goes, as Ukraine can't really replace its lost equipment.

Arguably more important than that though, Ukraine received years of training from NATO countries that helped reform and modernize their military, and they're actively receiving real-time intelligence from NATO sources that helps with targeting and operational planning.

Ukraine's own role in the war's success though is tantamount, they wouldn't be "winning" if they weren't so united against Russia, didn't have high morale, and weren't willing to risk everything to fight for their independence. 

Have they won the war? No absolutely not. But they will be in a increasingly better position.

Ukraine is not NATO, excessive continued support from NATO will force China to back Russia.

A long war will just further reduce the Ukraine to rubble as the war remains on their soil.

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Ukraine is not NATO, excessive continued support from NATO will force China to back Russia.

A long war will just further reduce the Ukraine to rubble as the war remains on their soil.

Sounds like NATO countries are not afraid. Also China is busy with COVID, anyways.

 

New US aid package just dropped before new Russian offensive to take the east:

https://www.axios.com/ukraine-military-aid-helicopters-donbas-95f4f7b3-ba36-4cc6-a5bd-c3b0cbc6c5ef.html

Biden says new $800 million Ukraine package will include helicopters

Why it matters: The U.S. and its European allies are drastically ramping up the scale and scope of their military assistance ahead of a massive Russian offensive in the eastern Donbas region, which officials believe will dictate the trajectory of the rest of the war.

  • Biden spoke to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday afternoon for just under an hour before publicly announcing the new batch of aid.
  • "The Ukrainian military has used the weapons we are providing to devastating effect. As Russia prepares to intensify its attack in the Donbas region, the United States will continue to provide Ukraine with the capabilities to defend itself," Biden said in a statement.

Details: The $800 million package includes, among other things:

  • 11 Mi-17 helicopters originally earmarked for the U.S.-backed Afghan security forces, prior to the fall of Kabul
  • 18 howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds
  • 300 Switchblade drones
  • 500 Javelin missiles
  • 200 M113 armored personnel carriers
  • 100 armored high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles
  • 30,000 sets of body armor
  • Chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear protective equipment

Between the lines: The U.S. and its allies are no longer attempting to distinguish between "offensive" and "defensive" weapons, as Russian atrocities mount and it becomes clear the war is likely to become a protracted battle for territory in the east.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Tom Nolan said:

It is the U.S. government that does not give a shit about Ukrainians ...nor the welfare of people in any nation.

I don't agree with that in general but will agree that we have made many mistakes. Overall I disagree.I certainly think that our government and our oligarchs profiting from China need to add ethical demands to their business dealings or stop dealing with China and other such nations. 

The Ukrainian people obviously want to fight for their freedom and I fully agree with aiding them against Russian aggression as do the people of America and Europe. 

Do you also focus on Chinese and Russian despotism? I am constantly fighting against our own corruption on appropriate sites and on real environmental issues that are not relying on global warming theories etc. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipd1YlcDaA_E9QtLhUXJBPiobFcRx1Rgipny9rOPJZE/edit allmyrants.org 

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8 hours ago, Tom Nolan said:

The U.S government, Big Tech and Mainstream Media have weaponized the Narrative, whether it be Covid or the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

https://www.corbettreport.com/socialmedia/

The Weaponization of Social Media

EXCERPTS

...The DARPA document that details the Pentagon's plans for influencing opinions in the social media space is called "Social Media in Strategic Communication." DARPA's goal, according to their own website, is "to develop tools to help identify misinformation or deception campaigns and counter them with truthful information."...

...As worrying as this research is, it pales in comparison to the knowledge that governments, militaries and political lobby groups are already employing squadrons of foot soldiers to wage information warfare in the social media battlespace.

Please take a look at my stories on Privacy, Big Brother and Spying  this is free for anyone on the internet and free to share as are all my public topics. https://docs.google.com/document/d/180xMs2bPaqtbPGo0HHRzhO1U6lsED1XEvO9R_tX3BqE/edit

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6 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

I don't agree with that in general but will agree that we have made many mistakes. Overall I disagree.I certainly think that our government and our oligarchs profiting from China need to add ethical demands to their business dealings or stop dealing with China and other such nations. 

The Ukrainian people obviously want to fight for their freedom and I fully agree with aiding them against Russian aggression as do the people of America and Europe. 

Do you also focus on Chinese and Russian despotism? I am constantly fighting against our own corruption on appropriate sites and on real environmental issues that are not relying on global warming theories etc. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipd1YlcDaA_E9QtLhUXJBPiobFcRx1Rgipny9rOPJZE/edit allmyrants.org 

Ron, Look at all the cover-ups of the U.S. government.  Iraq and its "weapons of mass destruction" which did not exist.  9/11 and the coverup...most folks do not know about Building 7 and the nanothermite found in ALL the dust samples from that day.  Vietnam.and the Gulf of Tonkin which was finally admitted by the Sec of Defense at that time that it was a fabricated incident which started the Vietnam War.  Look at Fauci and the handling of Covid by refusing to let people use drugs which could mitigate Covid, even supplements like Vitamin D were discouraged.  The U.S. government does not give a shit about people, otherwise they would tell people who really owns The Federal Reserve...and most Americans have no clue about Jekyll Island and the Cabal who met in secret to instal the Federal Reserve and install Income tax in the early 1900's.  It is deliberate distortion of history so as to not let Americans be aware of how the government has been screwing Americans and the world.  I am sure that you know the orders to invade Afghanistan were ready on George Bush's desk prior to 9/11.  The U.S. government has been a scourge to the world thanks to the Powers That Be behind the curtain.

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19 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

The Ukrainian people obviously want to fight for their freedom

Does that include the folks in eastern Ukraine?...because it is quite evident that they have been trying to get their freedom for many years.

 

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I wanted to fully endorse your comment but you tend to go to extremes in your statements. Other than that I appreciate all your input! Thank you for that. I am glad you are fighting our governmental mistakes. I am more focused on getting rid of liberal Democrats and RINO Republicans and have them fix the errors of our way. I ended up disliking the Bushes and feel they were all RINOS, yet I think they were better than their Democrat opponents. 

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10 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

Does that include the folks in eastern Ukraine?...because it is quite evident that they have been trying to get their freedom for many years.

 

The Russian government did that all through false flag movements, green soldiers that were mainly not civilians and agitated the Russian leaning Ukrainians. They were not happy with part of the Donbass that they then controlled. No, the Russian Bear wanted more and took Crimea. Then that wasn't enough and they decided to take Kiev and all of Ukraine. They have now murdered many thousands of innocent people. I guess you are all OK about that. It sure seems so. Maybe you can explain your overall view of the world. 

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22 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

Does that include the folks in eastern Ukraine?...because it is quite evident that they have been trying to get their freedom for many years.

let's not forget who put "boots on the ground" in eastern ukraine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatants_of_the_war_in_Donbas#Russian_forces

They fought against an almost non-existent Ukrainian army hollowed out by Putin's cronies in Ukraine. 

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9 hours ago, surrept33 said:

It obviously depends on what you consider "winning". 

Russian invasion reached its high watermark so far around March 10. By that time it was stopped everywhere by Ukrainian army, and most importantly, Kyiv remained free. And this was with most of NATO arms support not reaching the frontlines yet.

NATO assistance will be more and more important they longer the war goes, as Ukraine can't really replace its lost equipment.

 

Arguably more important than that though, Ukraine received years of training from NATO countries that helped reform and modernize their military, and they're actively receiving real-time intelligence from NATO sources that helps with targeting and operational planning.

Ukraine's own role in the war's success though is tantamount, they wouldn't be "winning" if they weren't so united against Russia, didn't have high morale, and weren't willing to risk everything to fight for their independence. 

Have they won the war? No absolutely not. But they will be in a increasingly better position.

Your statements are all correct. I wish we could have allowed the Migs to be sent directly from Poland, we may have asked Poland not to do that. I don't know. Sending them through our own base is even more provocative yet we should have had a lot better air defense in place for the Ukrainians in advance! 

To me, this is really a war on the Ukrainian people by Putin. That is the brutal way he decided to fight. Because that is true, allies in Europe and around the world are more than justified in helping Ukraine defend itself. Putin is a madman like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, etc. The world can weaken Russia through economic and military means and has done the right thing IMHO. We should also continue pressure on China and even India to not support Russia. They will anyway but we also need to pressure our crony capitalists to slash our business dealings with them. We cannot be dependent on the Chinese Dragon for our manufacturing while they are using slave labor and killing people to sell their organs.  We need to support countries that are not favoring our enemies and buying influence around the world and even with our own president and other powerful people and nations around the world. We cannot wait for another presidential election, we need to elect solid conservatives in November and get rid of the current house and senate leaders. 

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9 hours ago, surrept33 said:

or perhaps it is something more nefarious?

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/putin-the-internet-is-a-cia-project/

Putin: The Internet is a CIA project

That is the way it started out and it has done a lot of good and some bad. I believe in the free flow of information, unlike Facebook and Twitter and the mainstream media though. Our government likes to be the informants of choice for their spin, which is unacceptable IMHO. They also love to spy on all American citizens and do in one way or another. In fact our congress even OKd their buying our private information from any source! Our government will falsely accuse and lie about anyone who pisses them off enough. Yet they will not give congress the oversight that it needs. I say slash their budgets. 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chris-hedges-pimps-war

By Chris Hedges - Zero Hedge

The Pimps Of War

The same cabal of warmongering pundits, foreign policy specialists and government officials, year after year, debacle after debacle, smugly dodge responsibility for the military fiascos they orchestrate...  ...Pseudo intellectuals, they exude a cloying Ivy League snobbery as they sell perpetual fear, perpetual war and a racist worldview, where the lesser breeds of the earth only understand violence.

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They are pimps of war, puppets of the Pentagon, a state within a state, and the defense contractors who lavishly fund their think tanks — Project for the New American Century, American Enterprise Institute, Foreign Policy Initiative, Institute for the Study of War, Atlantic Council and Brookings Institute. Like some mutant strain of an antibiotic-resistant bacteria, they cannot be vanquished. It does not matter how wrong they are, how absurd their theories, how many times they lie or denigrate other cultures and societies as uncivilized or how many murderous military interventions go bad. They are immovable props, the parasitic mandarins of power that are vomited up in the dying days of any empire, including that of the U.S., leaping from one self-defeating catastrophe to the next.

I spent 20 years as a foreign correspondent reporting on the suffering, misery, and murderous rampages these shills for war engineered and funded. My first encounter with them was in Central America. Elliot Abrams — convicted of providing misleading testimony to Congress on the Iran-Contra Affair and later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush so he could return to government to sell us the Iraq War — and Robert Kagan, director of the State Department’s public diplomacy office for Latin America — were propagandists for the brutal military regimes in El Salvador and Guatemala, as well as the rapists and homicidal thugs that made up the rogue Contra forces fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, which they illegally funded. Their job was to discredit our reporting.

“Like some mutant strain of an antibiotic-resistant bacteria, they cannot be vanquished.”

They, and their coterie of fellow war lovers, went on to push for the expansion of NATO in Central and Eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall, violating an agreement not to extend NATO beyond the borders of a unified Germany and recklessly antagonizing Russia. They were and are cheerleaders for the apartheid state of Israel, justifying its war crimes against Palestinians and myopically conflating Israel’s interests with those of the U.S. They advocated for air strikes in Serbia, calling for the U.S. to “take out” Slobodan Milosevic. They were the authors of the policy to invade Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. Robert Kagan and William Kristol, with their typical cluelessness, wrote in April 2002 that “the road that leads to real security and peace” is “the road that runs through Baghdad.”

We saw how that worked out. That road led to the dissolution of Iraq, the destruction of its civilian infrastructure, including the obliteration of 18 of 20 electricity-generating plants and nearly all the water-pumping and sanitation systems during a 43-day period when 90,000 tons of bombs were rained down on the country, the rise of radical jihadist groups throughout the region, and failed states....

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4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

I guess you are all OK about that. It sure seems so. Maybe you can explain your overall view of the world. 

No.  I am not okay with any war.  There is no "White Knight" nation.  We all know for CERTAIN that the U.S, and its puppet NATO provoked and wanted conflict and wanted to push Putin into a corner.  That is the historical record which was playing on loud speakers for the past decade, except most people don't follow the REAL news, but only the mainstream news.  A lot of U.S. special interests are benefiting from this Ukraine-Russia conflict.  They want it.  That is why the propaganda war-drum beats have been pounding for years now.  Remember Nordstream and all the U.S. interventionism for years holding things up?...The U.S. has had an agenda. 

I advocate civil liberties and that governments stop intervening into the affairs of the people and stop intervening into the affairs of other nations. 

Non-intervention on a personal and national level is what I advocate.  I advocate peace.  Dictating what other nations or what the populace should do - well, it is just that DICTATORSHIP.

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17 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

No.  I am not okay with any war.  There is no "White Knight" nation.  We all know for CERTAIN that the U.S, and its puppet NATO provoked and wanted conflict and wanted to push Putin into a corner.  That is the historical record which was playing on loud speakers for the past decade, except most people don't follow the REAL news, but only the mainstream news.  A lot of U.S. special interests are benefiting from this Ukraine-Russia conflict.  They want it.  That is why the propaganda war-drum beats have been pounding for years now.  Remember Nordstream and all the U.S. interventionism for years holding things up?...The U.S. has had an agenda. 

I advocate civil liberties and that governments stop intervening into the affairs of the people and stop intervening into the affairs of other nations. 

Non-intervention on a personal and national level is what I advocate.  I advocate peace.  Dictating what other nations or what the populace should do - well, it is just that DICTATORSHIP.

push Putin into a corner.???? Is that what you think is what happened????? what a joke

You still hoping for Russia to win???? you have been posting on Putins side non-stop........Are you related to Tucker Carlson????

Do you ever win at anything??? as it seems you are always partnering up with losers......

How is your do not get the  vaccine working for you and your followers???? You seem to parrot Tucker

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8 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Ukraine is not NATO, excessive continued support from NATO will force China to back Russia.

A long war will just further reduce the Ukraine to rubble as the war remains on their soil.

Ukraine is now a de facto member of Nato.....Deal with it

Big E , I have asked you several times.....Did you get kicked off this site last year when you had your meltdown....or were you in self imposed exile....Just asking for a friend (sic) .......Ward what like to know

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1 hour ago, Tom Nolan said:

violating an agreement not to extend NATO beyond the borders of a unified Germany and recklessly antagonizing Russia.

what agreement? 

We promised not to send troops into East Germany (or WMDs) in 1990 after German reunification. NATO expansion past that was never even discussed with Gorbachev. And besides, when Russia intervened in the Georgian Civil War in 1992-1993, it started freaking people out in Eastern Europe. Once again, they came to NATO and asked to join, not vice versa.

US policy has been very consistent since 1991. We would try to improve relations with Russia and help them join the west if they wanted. But never at the cost of our relations with the countries in the former iron curtain who were justifiably afraid of a Soviet Reunion or Russian Empire 2.0. 

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On 4/12/2022 at 9:41 PM, TailingsPond said:

Notice how Ron never reports anything from the other side.

He is purposely biased, a propaganda machine.

Ukraine is winning just about as much as trump.

Tailings pond, I was there for the retreat of ARVN on Lam Son 719 in 1971. The body language of Russian troops  as shown on Russian news sources  is a match for the sorry state of affairs after that fiasco.  There are troops who still have cohesion and moral. But they were not units with conscripts or contract soldiers.  Ron was in the army on the front line in Germany when things got dicey in Cuba.  So he has first hand experience.   He is s defined Vietnam ERA War Vet.  I was defacto CO of the heavy maintenance section of the 108th Field artillery group because i was the only one around with a MOS of 4808. Again this varies from unit to unit  but  much of Russian mechanical equipment has maintenance deficiencies I can see from video Camera or cell phones.   An army that has its  shit together does not face those problems.  The problems I see are poor officer command structure "put off until tomorrow what you should do today".

You may talk about the battalion of Ukraine Marines surrendering in Mariupol.  They held out  surrounded for 48 day. That is longer than the Marines on Wake Island or Guam at the start of WWII.   What took the Russian troops so long?

there is one opinion I value more than any of you.  My father was born in Torun Poland later Thorn when the Nazis took over  and my grandfather got him put in the Luftwaffe where he became a Jabo pilot (fighter bomber pilot) in 1942 was there for Karkov, Kerch, in 1943 for Reshev and later Kursk, He was transferred to Italy to stop the Anzio landings. He said he had the good fortune to be shot down by the Royal Navy and captured by the Americans. As a Pole he stayed as a displaced person in the US.  At 98 he still has a clear memory.  the Ukrainian partisans under Stephan Bandera were much tougher(2X he says) than those Russian partisans who would attack their near the Reshez airfields.

Biggest problem I see is Russians  already using dumb bombs that can't hit any real targets instead of smart weapons.  Tells me cone July 1 Russian troops won't have any major weapons munitiions left. Longer this goes on the more Russians run out out of the three essentials:"bullets, beans and toilet paper.  Ukraine gets  air plane loads,  with C-5, C-17's and A-400's landing every day with resupply.   Ukraine just has to not lose until Russia runs out of ordinance.

Starstrike, Marder, Stinger means  the Russian air force has to stay too high to hit any ground targets.  That is up where  they are easy targets for the S300. Black Sea fleet better find a hole to crawl in . Harpoons are coming from the UK, Norway, and Italy.  They make the Exocets of the Falklands war look like pin pricks.

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4 hours ago, Tom Nolan said:

No.  I am not okay with any war.  There is no "White Knight" nation.  We all know for CERTAIN that the U.S, and its puppet NATO provoked and wanted conflict and wanted to push Putin into a corner.  That is the historical record which was playing on loud speakers for the past decade, except most people don't follow the REAL news, but only the mainstream news.  A lot of U.S. special interests are benefiting from this Ukraine-Russia conflict.  They want it.  That is why the propaganda war-drum beats have been pounding for years now.  Remember Nordstream and all the U.S. interventionism for years holding things up?...The U.S. has had an agenda. the 1930's

I advocate civil liberties and that governments stop intervening into the affairs of the people and stop intervening into the affairs of other nations. 

Non-intervention on a personal and national level is what I advocate.  I advocate peace.  Dictating what other nations or what the populace should do - well, it is just that DICTATORSHIP.

Tom you sound just like a Fellow Traveler who  joined the America First Movement in the 1930's.  Putin started this fight years ago. Just like Japan and Germany he did well until  the US got involved.

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