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On 2/15/2022 at 7:21 PM, Meredith Poor said:

Presumably this includes the African Anglo-Saxons, Asian Anglo-Saxons, Hispanic Anglo-Saxons, and Native American Anglo-Saxons that inhabit North America.

For all the talk of diversity, you do have a hereditary class of power elites, who are mostly Anglo-Saxon, with a fraction of Ashkenazi Jewish thrown in. Just look at all the Jrs and the IIIs armed with class rings. Some 30-60% of Ivy League admissions are "legacy", (depending on whom you ask)

Remember, how big a deal it was to let an Irish Catholic drive as recently as the 60ties. And, what do you know, he was likely of real royalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Kennedy

So is Barack Obama

https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-chart.php?name=5155+rurik+of+kiev&kin=10012+barack+obama

(Who is a Rurikid and a Scottish prince, which is kinda rare for a random half-Kenyan dude)

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27 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

For all the talk of diversity, you do have a hereditary class of power elites, who are mostly Anglo-Saxon, with a fraction of Ashkenazi Jewish thrown in. Just look at all the Jrs and the IIIs armed with class rings. Some 30-60% of Ivy League admissions are "legacy", (depending on whom you ask)

Remember, how big a deal it was to let an Irish Catholic drive as recently as the 60ties. And, what do you know, he was likely of real royalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Kennedy

So is Barack Obama

https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-chart.php?name=5155+rurik+of+kiev&kin=10012+barack+obama

(Who is a Rurikid and a Scottish prince, which is kinda rare for a random half-Kenyan dude)

Might want to learn how the USA works... Ivy league means zilch.  Unless you want a stupid federal state department job. 

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43 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Might want to learn how the USA works... Ivy league means zilch.  Unless you want a stupid federal state department job. 

I do know how the USA works very well. Ivy League means a lot, but you are welcome to treat it as a figure of speech. Because any sufficiently posh private school gets to have the same problem soon enough. Stanford is a good example. My alma mater, UC Berkeley, is supposed to be the only legacy-free great university on the account of being (sorta) public, yet there was somehow a prince of Norway in my dorm when I was there.

If anything, you are least likely to find the holders of posh Ivy League diplomas in regular federal government jobs, because the federal government just cares about your degree level, not where you got it from. If you mean State Department as in diplomatic jobs, then yes, they do plenty of that.

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On 2/15/2022 at 8:05 PM, Meredith Poor said:

I'm not sure it could get any worse. What was it that the US public found acceptable in the last dozen years that is unacceptable now?

The US public largely ignored Russia before 2016, when Russia (allegedly) got Trump elected. Which, incidentally, turned out to be complete and utter hogwash since. Wouldn't it be a great time to say you are sorry and make up? Rhetorical question, of course. US can obviously handle Russia only when it is completely destroyed and powerless, like it was in the 90-ties. Back when, US public's opinion of Russia was even favorable (if existent at all) Of course, the signs of re-emergent animosity were much earlier than 2016. Putin's speech at 2007 Munich Security Conference is a famous one.

Here is nearly as famous retort by LA Times, titled "The louse that roared"

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-feb-14-oe-boot14-story.html

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On 2/14/2022 at 6:02 AM, notsonice said:

Putin can kiss Americas Ass

Hope he chokes on Javelin and Sidewinders if he invades the Ukraine and now he can kiss his Nordstream 2 goodbye. Gazprom ??? will be a company with no customers if he invades. What is this?? Sleepy Joe let Calcasieu Pass open while it is under construction?? FERC and Sleepy Joe tossed the Ukraine and Germany a freebie 

U.S. Exporting Every Molecule of LNG Possible

Bloomberg
 
February 12, 2022

 

By Sergio Chapa, Feb 12, 2022 (Bloomberg) –Tankers are docked or loading at all seven U.S. liquefied natural gas export terminals for the first time, marking a small piece of industry history and setting up record flows to the plants amid high prices and tensions in Europe. 

The Greek-flagged tanker Yiannis is docked at Venture Global LNG’s Calcasieu Pass plant in Louisiana, which remains under construction but has been given permission by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to send out cargoes during the export terminal’s startup process. The Saturday afternoon arrival of LNGships Manhattan at Kinder Morgan’s Elba Island LNG plant in Georgia, marked loadings at the other six U.S. LNG export terminals.  

Although the tankers will only remain docked at the same time for less than a day, demand from their loadings helped set a record 13.3 billion cubic feet of natural gas flows to U.S. LNG export terminals on Saturday. Once Calcasieu Pass LNG is in full service, the seven U.S. LNG export terminals will be able to draw as much as 13.9 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day, solidifying America’s lead over Qatar and Australia as the world’s top supplier of the superchilled power plant fuel, figures from U.S. Energy Information Administration show. 

Out of the roughly five dozen U.S. LNG cargoes on the water, more than two-thirds are headed to Europe where low winter inventories and tensions between Russia and Ukraine have sent natural gas prices on the continent soaring to more six times the U.S. benchmark Henry Hub. 

© 2022 Bloomberg L.P.

This does not really solve anything in the longer run. Because

1) LNG is inherently more expensive than pipeline gas

2) US LNG producers also much prefer to work based on long-term contracts, which EU is planning to phase out

For as long as EU insists on price formulas based on spot prices, Gazprom actually benefits from NS2 staying closed / missing volumes being compensated by expensive LNG. Higher margins more than compensate for missing volumes right now.

PS Sidewinders require a Western-made aircraft to launch and only work against other aircraft. I am pretty sure Ukraine got none of them, thusly.

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

And, what do you know, he was likely of real royalty

If you have 2 parents and 4 grandparents, then you have 1024 ancestors at the 10th ancestral generation. You have 1,000,000 ancestors at the 20th ancestral generation (2^20th). You have 1,000,000,000 (2^30th) ancestors at the 30th ancestral generation. Presuming a 'generation' is 25 years, this is (30 x 25) divided by 4, or 750 years. 2020-750 = 1370.

We are all direct descendants of Genghis Kahn. If someone claims that they are descended from a king in some European country, it's more than likely they're descended from nearly any royal house that existed in Europe before 1400 AD.

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The US public largely ignored Russia before 2016, when Russia (allegedly) got Trump elected.

Russia didn't get Trump elected. However, there's a suspicion that a (or some) Russian(s) got him erected.

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On 2/13/2022 at 6:36 PM, Tomasz said:

 What Russia has reached over three months diplomatic and military pressure on West ?

The United States has warned of Russia's impending invasion of Ukraine and has even set a February 16 date for the offensive. And although later Washington itself doubted this date, almost 40 countries began to evacuate diplomats and citizens from Ukraine, OSCE mission observers and Western military instructors are leaving. Airlines are considering the possibility of suspending flights to Ukrainian cities. The authorities of Ukraine itself consider these measures unjustified and urge people not to panic. Moscow does not rule out that the Ukrainian or a third party is preparing to arrange a provocation in the Donbass in order to drag Russia into the war. Three months after the start of diplomatic and military pressure on the West in order to obtain security guarantees, Russia found itself in a very unsafe situation.

Wednesday, February 16

Almost three months have passed since Vladimir Putin on November 18 instructed the Foreign Ministry to seek from the United States and NATO "the provision of Russia with serious long-term security guarantees." Then the Russian president announced the need to keep the West in a “state of tension” “for as long as possible”, clearly referring to the accumulation of Russian military forces and equipment near the border of Ukraine, which greatly disturbed the United States and its European allies.

The Russian side, apparently, even overfulfilled the task of maintaining tension. US President Joe Biden on Friday evening warned allies that Russia was ready to invade Ukraine and, according to US media, even named the date of the alleged attack as Wednesday, February 16.

His National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, at a special media briefing at the White House, did not name a specific day, but made it clear that it was a time period until February 20. “This (Russia's invasion of Ukraine . - Kommersant ) can begin during the Olympic Games,” he said. Jake Sullivan recalled that the US authorities began to evacuate diplomats and their families from Kiev, and appealed to all other Americans in Ukraine with an appeal to "leave immediately."

“Any American in Ukraine should leave as soon as possible, and in any case within the next 24-48 hours,” he said. According to him, there may not be another opportunity to leave the country, and US citizens should not expect that the military will be able to evacuate them later. “If Russia invades Ukraine, then the attack will most likely begin with aerial bombardments and missile strikes, which, obviously, can lead to the death of civilians regardless of their nationality. With a subsequent ground invasion, huge forces could be involved, ”continued the adviser to the US president.

According to him, the connection necessary for organizing the departure can be interrupted suddenly, and commercial flights are stopped. “Once hostilities begin, no one can expect to leave by air, rail or road,” he warned.

Jake Sullivan emphasized that he does not claim that a Russian invasion is imminent, but noted that the US authorities consider it their duty to warn citizens of the danger. To numerous questions from journalists about the evidence of an allegedly impending Russian attack, the adviser answered vaguely: the US conclusions are based on the amount of forces and equipment pulled together by Russia to the borders of Ukraine, and "intelligence information received."

However, on Sunday, speaking on CNN, Mr. Sullivan was clearly not so sure about the information he made public on Friday. “We cannot accurately predict the day (of the invasion . - “Kommersant” ), but we say that we are in a period when an invasion, a major military operation, can be launched by Russia in Ukraine on any day. This includes next week, until the end of the Olympics. Of course, this can happen after the Olympics. Or, this is still possible, Russia may choose the path of diplomacy,” said the national security adviser.

Be that as it may, but on Saturday the US State Department announced the desire of "several thousand Americans" to leave Ukraine. Following the United States, almost 40 European, Middle Eastern and Asian states began to evacuate embassy staff and citizens. It also became known that the United States and Great Britain withdrew their representatives from the OSCE monitoring mission monitoring the situation on the demarcation line in Donbass. It is noteworthy that the United States, Great Britain and Canada intend to take out of Ukraine military instructors who had previously arrived there to train Ukrainian military personnel.

Over the weekend, information also appeared about a possible suspension of air traffic over Ukraine. According to Ukrainian media, this could happen as early as Monday due to the refusal of Western insurance companies to service civilian aircraft in Ukrainian airspace. The Dutch airline KLM has already suspended flights to Ukraine and through its airspace. The German Lufthansa does not exclude the same step.

"The Anglo-Saxons Need War"

The Ukrainian authorities, meanwhile, still do not consider all these measures to be justified, as follows from a statement by President Volodymyr Zelensky, who called on those who are not indifferent to provide Kiev with “additional information about the 100% invasion of the Russian Federation in Ukraine starting from the 16th (February - “Kommersant” ) ". Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmygal, in a video message, called on the citizens of the country to maintain self-control. “We live in a world of rapid information dissemination, when panic is a gift for the enemy. It is panic that destroys states better than tanks and machine guns,” he said, adding that disinformation and panic are already negatively affecting the hryvnia exchange rate and the state of the country’s economy.

Meanwhile, on Saturday it became known that Russia also decided to significantly reduce the staff of its embassy in Kiev and consulates general in Lvov, Odessa and Kharkov. From the explanation of the representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, it follows that Moscow took such a step, seeing that Washington and London had begun to evacuate diplomats. “Given the significant influence that they have on Kiev, and in general their role in managing processes in Ukraine - what is the mere pumping of "square" weapons and instructors - we conclude that our American and British colleagues, apparently, know about some military actions being prepared in Ukraine that can significantly complicate the situation in the security sphere,” she said. According to her, in this situation, fearing possible provocations of "the Kiev regime or third countries",

At the same time, Maria Zakharova sharply criticized the US and UK decision to withdraw their observers from the OSCE monitoring mission. According to her, these steps cannot but cause serious concern in Russia. “The mission is being deliberately dragged into the militaristic psychosis fomented by Washington and is being used as a tool for a possible provocation,” said Maria Zakharova. And she added: “The hysteria of the White House is more revealing than ever. The Anglo-Saxons need a war. At any price. Provocations, disinformation and threats are a favorite method of solving one's own problems.

On Saturday, the current situation was discussed by telephone, first by the heads of the foreign ministries of Russia and the United States, Sergei Lavrov and Anthony Blinken, then by Defense Ministers Sergei Shoigu and Lloyd Austin, and, finally, by Presidents Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden. Yuri Ushakov, an aide to the Russian president, said the conversation between the two leaders "came at a time of unprecedented hysteria by U.S. officials about an allegedly imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine." According to him, referring to the likelihood of such a "catastrophic scenario", the American side requested an urgent telephone contact of the presidents, although initially they were supposed to phone on Monday.

At the same time, Yuri Ushakov generally described the conversation as "quite balanced and business-like." According to him, Joe Biden said that he was "an adherent of the diplomatic path", and in this regard, "set out a number of considerations that, in his opinion, take into account many of the Russian concerns." “The President of Russia reacted in the spirit that the Russian side, of course, will carefully analyze the considerations expressed by Biden, and we will undoubtedly take them into account,” Vladimir Putin’s assistant continued. “But, unfortunately, and this was said, these considerations do not affect the central , key elements of Russian initiatives”.

According to Yuri Ushakov, the President of the Russian Federation also "highlighted the destructive line of the Ukrainian authorities to sabotage the Minsk agreements, which has been going on for the past eight years," and "noted that Western states are not exerting due pressure so that Kiev fulfills its obligations." obligations."

The White House, in turn, reported that Joe Biden "made it clear that if Russia undertakes a further invasion of Ukraine, the United States, along with allies and partners, will respond decisively" and make Russia pay a "high price" for this. The US president also warned that a Russian invasion of Ukraine would "cause massive loss of life" and "weaken the position" of Moscow. “President Biden has made it clear to President Putin that while the United States remains ready to engage in diplomacy … we are equally prepared for other scenarios,” the White House said.

What have you achieved

If, as follows from all of the above, Moscow has succeeded in creating tension in the West, then the task of securing security guarantees is becoming increasingly difficult. Recall that in mid-December, Russia handed over draft treaties to the United States and NATO, which describe in detail what exactly it is seeking from them. Among other things, these are: the rejection of NATO expansion (primarily at the expense of Ukraine), guarantees that strike systems threatening Russia will not be deployed in Europe, and the withdrawal of forces and infrastructure of the North Atlantic Alliance to the positions of 1997. The written text was accompanied by an oral ultimatum: do not fulfill these requirements, a military-technical answer will follow.

At the same time, it is unlikely that the people involved in decision-making in Moscow really expected that their demands would be satisfied exactly in the form in which they were put forward. Whatever Russian officials say publicly, they are well aware that no US president can announce the abolition of NATO's "open door policy", even in relation to a single country, in this particular case, Ukraine.

However, if we consider the task of Russia - to obtain legally binding guarantees of Ukraine's non-entry into NATO - not directly, but in a broader context, then it can be achieved in another way - through the implementation of the Minsk agreements on the settlement of the conflict in Donbass.

The fact is that the return of Donbass to Ukraine in strict accordance with the Minsk agreements, as Moscow wants, would close the way for Kiev to NATO for a long time. The road map for resolving the conflict (the document is at the disposal of Kommersant), submitted by the unrecognized DPR and LPR to the Trilateral Contact Group back in 2020, proposes to give these regions a special status until 2050. But the self-proclaimed republics insist that this period can be extended by referenda, which should be held no earlier than 2045 and no later than 2049.

The Minsk agreements and the proposals of Donetsk and Lugansk based on them (Kyiv has not yet given any answer to the road map) suggest, if we compress a multi-page text into one phrase, to create a state within a state on the territory of Ukraine. In addition to the fact that such a construction means the emergence of alternative centers of power and decision-making to Kiev, it has a significant potential for conflict: one can confidently predict that friction between the center and these regions will arise on any issues.

An additional effect of the implementation of the Minsk agreements may be that, following the example of the Donbass, some other regions of the country may want autonomy, especially those where other ethnic groups live compactly. For a state with a weak central government, such as Ukraine, this threatens chaos. Apparently, Secretary of the Security Council of the country Alexei Danilov spoke about him in an interview with the Associated Press, urging the West not to put pressure on Kiev on the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

However, there are still no signs that the Ukrainian side intends to fulfill the agreements, which last week turned exactly seven years old. After Russian diplomatic and military pressure, the negotiations in the Normandy format were revived, and the first meeting after a long break even gave reason for optimism.

However, the last round of negotiations of the Normandy Four failed, and this plays into the hands of Kiev, whose tactic is not to renounce agreements and negotiations on their implementation, but in the end not to implement them. President Zelensky and his team are thinking more about self-preservation and the upcoming elections - parliamentary in 2023 and presidential in 2024. They understand that any compromise on Donbass can blow up the internal political situation and lead to a change of power. The fear of the Maidan clearly outweighs the desire to end the war.

This irritates Moscow, which explicitly requires the West to put more pressure on Ukraine. Judging by the statements of Western politicians, including French President Emmanuel Macron, there is this pressure, but Volodymyr Zelensky has not yet yielded.

More obvious positive achievements include the willingness of the United States to discuss with Russia "the deployment and use of armed forces in Ukraine." This is exactly how this topic is indicated in the written response of the American side to the Russian demands. The United States, as follows from this document, offers Russia to start negotiations on "measures of mutual transparency" and "mutual obligations" that provide for the refusal to deploy land-based offensive missile systems and regular armed forces on the territory of Ukraine with a combat mission. Earlier, Moscow expressed concern that strike systems and bases of the United States and other NATO countries could be deployed on the territory of Ukraine.

From the point of view of Russia's interests, the beginning of an expert discussion in the United States and Europe that perhaps NATO really should not be expanded (or at least impose a moratorium on the admission of new members) can be considered positive, and Europe needs a different security architecture to replace the one that was rebuilt after the end of the Cold War. Columns and interviews on these topics over the past three months have appeared in many authoritative Western publications, which actually did not exist before.

Another achievement: the readiness expressed by the United States (including in writing) to discuss arms control, military restraint and the prevention of dangerous incidents with Russia. Many of the measures cited as appropriate in Washington's response have been promoted by Moscow itself over the years, without success.

The most striking example is the proposal made public by Russia back in 2019 to impose a moratorium on the deployment in Europe of previously banned intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles. Until recently, the US and its NATO allies publicly called it "unacceptable and untrustworthy." However, Washington's response to Moscow's demands explicitly states that the Americans agree to negotiate on this issue. Moreover, the letter clarifies that the US is ready to discuss a transparency mechanism with Russia to confirm the absence of Tomahawk cruise missiles at Aegis Ashore installation sites in Romania and Poland, provided that Russia provides mutual terms of transparency regarding the two US-selected ground-based missile bases at its territory. Earlier, the proposal to introduce similar verification measures was made by the Russian side,

Side effects

But the Russian diplomatic and military pressure of the past three months has many negative effects. And unlike the pluses that exist so far only on paper, many of them are already very practical.

Thus, the supply of weapons from Western countries to Ukraine has sharply intensified. Military transport aircraft from the United States and other NATO countries one by one land at Kiev's Boryspil airport, delivering ammunition, weapons and trainers (see infographic on this page). On Saturday evening, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov tweeted that the United States alone had delivered 1,300 tons of military aid to Ukraine.

From the point of view of Russia's interests, this is, of course, an extremely undesirable trend. According to Yuri Ushakov, during a Saturday conversation with Joe Biden, Vladimir Putin “drawed attention to the dangers of militarizing Ukraine, pumping it with modern weapons, which Western countries are purposefully doing, thereby encouraging possible provocations by Ukrainian security forces both in relation to Donbass and in relation to Crimea ".

Meanwhile, in recent months there has been an active build-up of forces and armaments on the "eastern flank" of NATO. Part of the military is transferred to the region directly from the United States. About 3,000 more US troops are expected to arrive in Poland early this week. It is reported that these contingents are designed to strengthen the defense capability of the Eastern European NATO member countries and will not be involved in a possible armed conflict in Ukraine.

Another negative effect for Russia was the growth of anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine. Thus, in the course of a December poll by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, 59.2% of respondents would vote for Ukraine's entry into NATO, and 49.2% considered the possibility of Russia's invasion of Ukraine very likely. At the same time, 57.8% of respondents said that the Ukrainian authorities should actively oppose Russia. These figures are up from a similar survey conducted in February last year.

Against the backdrop of constant statements about the growing "Russian threat", one should expect a further deterioration in attitudes towards Russia in many Western countries. Fresh global polls by Kommersant could not be found, but, for example, in the course of a January study by Pew Research Center in the United States, 49% of respondents said they consider Russia a rival, 41% an enemy, and only 7% a partner. And in a February poll of citizens of seven EU countries commissioned by the ECFR, 73% of Poles and 64% of Romanians said they considered it “very likely” or “very likely” that “Russia will invade Ukraine this year.” At the same time, residents of most countries participating in the survey said that their governments should be more actively involved in protecting Ukraine from “Russian aggression.”

Other negative consequences of Moscow's November initiative include: the rallying of NATO against the background of the "Russian threat", the rapprochement between NATO and the European Union, and the growing number of supporters of NATO membership in Finland and Sweden. Alarmist rhetoric about the upcoming "Russian invasion" and threats of tough sanctions have a negative impact on the quotes of Russian companies, as well as the ruble exchange rate.

Thus, it can be stated that over the past three months, diplomatic and forceful pressure on the West has brought Russia along with positive and many extremely undesirable results. Yuri Ushakov said that Moscow would "bring to the attention of partners and the public in the near future" its response to the US and NATO's reaction to Russia's demands.

Here, of course, a joke arises that "the main thing is not to February 16." But it's probably not the time for jokes.

Elena Chernenko, Vladimir Solovyov https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5216150

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Could you provide a summary. I don't have time to read this novel

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9 minutes ago, Meredith Poor said:

If you have 2 parents and 4 grandparents, then you have 1024 ancestors at the 10th ancestral generation. You have 1,000,000 ancestors at the 20th ancestral generation (2^20th). You have 1,000,000,000 (2^30th) ancestors at the 30th ancestral generation. Presuming a 'generation' is 25 years, this is (30 x 25) divided by 4, or 750 years. 2020-750 = 1370.

We are all direct descendants of Genghis Kahn. If someone claims that they are descended from a king in some European country, it's more than likely they're descended from nearly any royal house that existed in Europe before 1400 AD.

Amazing awareness of population genetics, though not necessarily binary. (2^30 =  decimal 1073741824. Maybe you should be selling hard-drives? :) It is well known that all the entire population of Eurasia are all descendants of just one dude who lived fairly recently, though the Genghis' title is contested by Charlemagne (the way Y-DNA works that they cannot tell which one it was should somebody be descendant of both)

This is, however, not true for sub-Saharan Africans like Kenyans. They do not have a common ancestor in modern times.

The JFK's story is entirely modern and doesn't even have to be real, just real enough for TV. Did you know that JFK graciously accepted the Ó Cinnéide coat of arms from the Republic of Ireland and nobody as much as bat an eyelid? Whatever happened to the Foreign Emoluments clause? Well, I suppose, if anybody asked, JFK could say it was always rightfully his. And the American public would lap it up, because the guy felt regal enough. A major, major problem for the British royals though, because he would have a much better claim not only to the Irish, but also the combined British throne (England+Scotland, too) than them. According to their rules (not sure if you are any interested in that) This is why are the British royals very obvious candidates for the JFK assassination, as well as for the other Kennedy's getting whacked left and right. (this is how the dynastic feuds work, you've got to get them all) The only alternate explanation is that somebody else is trying really hard to implicate the British royals of that, so thick are the hints.

Anyhow, I digress. Don't you think that you've got surprising amounts of Jr's and IIIs in position of power? Some are even democratically elected, and some are not. Even Gates is a IIIrd. That is, there is no evidence of you really having actual self-made billionaires until very recently, if ever. If there are, the government (or whoever controls it) would crush them before they got too large, As happened to JP Morgan, Rockefeller's and, actually, Thomas Edison. No European government is powerful enough to reign in the major oligarchic clans (though most, like the notorious Rothschild, largely self-destructed in the last two World Wars they helped cause, together with most of their buddies, the European royals)

I'd like to point out the story of Kofi Annan, who had a conflict with Bush Jr. Opposite views on the causes

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40209945

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/12/usa.suzannegoldenberg

Remember the incident where Bush tried to get Kofi's son arrested on some trumped-up charges and could not? How could a US President not arrest a son of a UN official out of Egypt? You've got to look at who his wife is. She happens to be a Wallenberg. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenberg_family

Those be the guys who pretty much own everything in Scandinavia. A clear case when one oligarch got large and powerful enough to devour the government and all the others. Little Greta works for him, whether she knows it or not (dunno if you are interested?)

The best known is one Raoul Wallenberg, who saved a bunch of Jews using diplomatic cover. While other, Wallenberg supplied the Nazis with all of their iron ore and ball bearings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenberg_family#Early_and_mid_20th_century_—_3rd_generation_Wallenbergs

Also, got away with it. Even though busting their knee caps would've stopped the Nazi war machine dead in its tracks. So, certainly, some of the people who rule the world (and occasionally try to come clean)

Fun fact - there is still a Swedish Rothschild, who claims to be no relative of the other Rothschilds and just selling fruit. (He is very much a proper old-school Rothschild though, given by the patent portfolio of his company Biogaia. Dunno if you are interested)

Conventional wisdom is that the Swedish Rothshilds self-destructed in the process of engineering the Russo-Japanese war. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Nordenfelt_Guns_and_Ammunition_Company

Also took the Nobels with them.

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

The US public largely ignored Russia before 2016, when Russia (allegedly) got Trump elected. Which, incidentally, turned out to be complete and utter hogwash since. Wouldn't it be a great time to say you are sorry and make up? Rhetorical question, of course. US can obviously handle Russia only when it is completely destroyed and powerless, like it was in the 90-ties. Back when, US public's opinion of Russia was even favorable (if existent at all) Of course, the signs of re-emergent animosity were much earlier than 2016. Putin's speech at 2007 Munich Security Conference is a famous one.

Here is nearly as famous retort by LA Times, titled "The louse that roared"

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-feb-14-oe-boot14-story.html

I agree somewhat.  

Russia didn't help Trump win.  That is just one more crazy Democratic narrative.  Hillary claimed Russia hacked the DNC computers.  Some still believe it even though it his been proven that it was an inside job.  Not Russia. 

U.S. doesn't hate Russia.  The Democrat Party does.  Anybody that voted for a Republican is a Russian trader and racist, misogynist, hater.

Dems have to keep the "narrative" up to get the "low information voters" to vote for them.   Fortunately, the "independent  thinking" voters  are starting to wise up.

There are a few republican holdovers from the '60s , '70s , '80s that still think they are fighting the Soviets.

Germany, France, Italy, China all get along with Russia and are better off for it. 

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14 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

Could you provide a summary. I don't have time to read this novel

No way there is a war, unless the Ukraine does an all-out attempt to retake the separatist Donbass? This is the consensus in both Russia and Ukraine.

Also note that the pretext of a bogus Russian invasion has been used to pump Ukraine full of weapons, so that they can always do it later.

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6 minutes ago, bobo88 said:

I agree somewhat.  

Russia didn't help Trump win.  That is just one more crazy Democratic narrative.  Hillary claimed Russia hacked the DNC computers.  Some still believe it even though it his been proven that it was an inside job.  

U.S. doesn't hate Russia.  The Democrat Party does.  Anybody that voted for a Republican is a Russian trader and racist, masogonist, hater.

There are a few republican hold over from the '60s , '70s , '80s that think they are fighting the Soviets.

Germany, France, Italy, China all get along with Russia.  

Ah, see, it was not really possible to hack the DNC mail computers, because there were never really any. Take a look at that

https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ademocrats.org&run=toolpage

https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3adnc.org&run=toolpage

These are part of a product called Google G Suite (now Google Workspace, previously Google Domain Apps) Basically, outsources the MX record for a commercial domain to Google, which lets you use Microsoft mail frontends like Outlook, pretending to be an Exchange server.

Which means, Google has all the records. All they have to do is to let them testify. Which they chickened out of. The procedure to spoof Google's SMTP server into producing an admin mail from Google using Yandex which Mueller described in his indictment is very 2000. It does not work that way anymore, because all the mail exchange between Yandex and Google is protected by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys

cryptographic protocols. (Yandex is a Russian Google of sorts, and also is a major email provider with a product similar to G Suite)

If you dig in the pile of the emails on Wikileaks site, you can actually see the plot to smear Trump of being a Russian agent being hatched right there. In the spirit of offense being the best defense. Because it was the Clintons who were actually in business with the Russians (in connection to Uranium One sale), not Trump. (Nothing actually wrong behind this except the size of Clinton Foundation kickback, but the optics of it look bad to uninitiated. The bigger issue is US depending on Russia for the uranium to fuel its civilian nukes)

I presume Trump professing his love of Putin was just trolling everybody, with Russia being one rare country he actually took no bribes from.

Plenty of Cold Warriors in both parties. It does so happen that USSR ever only reached detentes with Republican neocon administrations. This probably has something to do with Democrats being the real party of war, in the spirit of it being the party of more government pork barrel, including the military variety. The Republicans might actually be capable to curtail the government spending a bit.

If you are much interested in DNC emails, look up a fellow called Bill Binney, who is a retired NSA chieftain turned whistleblower. He obviously did see the Google logs and claims the emails were moved at a speed of 22 Mbyte/sec. Which corresponds to the speed of USB 2.0 speed and is a lot faster than DNC's connections to the public net. (They are peering over BGP, including using an open policy, which means anybody claiming to be some kind of ISP can have their traffic if it is free :)

All of which brings up the issue of the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

who was actually a sorta email admin at the DNC. The attempted robbery story is beyond belief stupid, because he was shot in the back and no valuables were taken from him. One would think that the robbers would ask anybody to hand over their wallet first, before shooting anyone? (Officially, it is not an assassination because it was no headshot, apparently)

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2 hours ago, Meredith Poor said:

Russia didn't get Trump elected. However, there's a suspicion that a (or some) Russian(s) got him erected.

How exactly is that supposed to work? You could spend an overwhelming amount of campaign money, but Russia(ns) did no such thing. Should I look for the Google's testimony for you, where they estimate the amount Russians spent on what could be constituted political messaging to be about $4.5K across all their properties? The amount ought to be not that far off for Twitter and Facebook, who actually solicited RT's chief Margo Simonyan to do it. (it was no big deal before 2016) That includes "masturbate with Jesus" bullshit, mind you.

If you mean the leaking of DNC emails, it wasn't even technically feasible as described by Mueller, which I already proved in the response to bobo88. In short, the mail was never at DNC, but with the Google cloud service called G Suite. Which means that all they have to do is to ask. (Which they officially did not. There is no Google testimony about the mails. Otherwise, they've got all the access logs one wants) The mails were a leak from the inside, most likely by that fellow named Seth Rich, who incidentally got whacked.

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5 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Right, believe Mueller. After not a word of his other reports turned out to be true? He is obviously a partisan hack, not a real investigator. Who's also got a major conflict of interest in protecting his own ass. Specifically, the method the "GRU" allegedly used to break into DNC emails according to him has zero feasibility. All they have to do is to ask Google to testify to find out. Because there was never a "DNC email computer" (like there was in clintonemails case) The DNC email was with a Google cloud service called G Suite, which apes a local Microsoft Exchange server using ASPX. They sure got full access logs, all you have to do is to ask. So, it was certainly a leak from the inside.

The rest is simply looking for the most likely cause. Has there ever been another DNC staffer involved in gun violence? Not that I know of. Seth was shot in the back with the perp disappearing under a minute it took the police to get there. No valuables were taken. Forgive me, but this does not look like a robbery. In a robbery, they would presumably first show you the gun and persuade you hand over whatever they want quietly. Especially if they evidently do know that the police have an automated gunshot locator and will be there next to no time. Starting the conversation with shooting somebody in the back is not a robbery, but an assassination. Given how narrow the timeframe was, it would also be interesting to know how there is not as much as a suspect from any CCTV cam in the vicinity. Go ahead, try to explain any of this by some other means? I am simply giving you the most logical explanation that the police would follow under normal circumstances.

 

 

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4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Might want to learn how the USA works... Ivy league means zilch.  Unless you want a stupid federal state department job. 

I know. Look at it that way. The major research universities are the eldest extant entities around, pushing 400 years in case of the Ivies. They all happen to be non-profit corporations with very sophisticated articles of incorporation, who's got their extended family, too. In comparison, do US corporate entities have rather unhealthy lifestyles and die young. Or about as young as physical persons live. (See the popular example of US Steel being the only extant company which was a part of Dow Jones 100 years ago)

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

How exactly is that supposed to work? You could spend an overwhelming amount of campaign money, but Russia(ns) did no such thing. Should I look for the Google's testimony for you, where they estimate the amount Russians spent on what could be constituted political messaging to be about $4.5K across all their properties? The amount ought to be not that far off for Twitter and Facebook, who actually solicited RT's chief Margo Simonyan to do it. (it was no big deal before 2016) That includes "masturbate with Jesus" bullshit, mind you.

If you mean the leaking of DNC emails, it wasn't even technically feasible as described by Mueller, which I already proved in the response to bobo88. In short, the mail was never at DNC, but with the Google cloud service called G Suite. Which means that all they have to do is to ask. (Which they officially did not. There is no Google testimony about the mails. Otherwise, they've got all the access logs one wants) The mails were a leak from the inside, most likely by that fellow named Seth Rich, who incidentally got whacked.

You have just demonstrated to me that you do not understand colloquial English. Any native speaker would have instantly understood the implication of that comment.

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20 minutes ago, Meredith Poor said:

You have just demonstrated to me that you do not understand colloquial English. Any native speaker would have instantly understood the implication of that comment.

Never really noticed that before, but OK, whatever you say. Could  then you explain it to little old me, as if I were a five-year-old? You said

... However, there's a suspicion that a (or some) Russian(s) got him erected.

Which got me wondering as to how it is supposed to work, this colloquial suspicion of some Russians? I mean, given how everything that Mueller wrote up turned out to be BS, you've got to have some other basis for this feeling of yours?

Hmm, I didn't even notice there was erected instead of elected. Was that it? Were you trying to be funny there? Colloquial language comes over differently in writing than in spoken speech. I thought we were having a serious conversation there? Trump is too old to really get it up and too skilled a beauty pageant operator to be a target of honeypot. Did you know he even refuses to ride elevators with lone women in them?

Your pun is also grammatically incorrect. It is erect, not erected, or it doesn't have any dirty meaning at all

https://www.google.com/search?&q=define+erected

Might as well be synonymous with elected

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On 2/15/2022 at 3:19 PM, Tomasz said:

Either there will be no Western troops in Ukraine, or there will be no Ukraine.

We have not seen the war yet  and even now the Western instructors were escaping on the first plane available.

American diplomats even burned all documents and computers in a panic mode.

The oligarchs, on the other hand, needed at least 20 planes to escape

To sum up:

Ukraine will never be in NATO / EU

The West has shown that it will not defend Ukraine militarily

Any weapons for the Ukrainians will not fundamentally change the final outcome of the war

The sanctions will not stop Putin from realising vital Russian interests

But at  a result of the Maidan, the greatest success of American policy after World War II took place, i.e. the close Russian-Chinese alliance to which Iran and Turkey propose aspirations

But if there will be serious russian invasion on Ukraine it will look just that like always did in the past

If so, Ukraine is surrounded now on 3 sides. The common border with Belarus and Russia is 3.000 kilometers long and indefensible.

Everyone interested knows that one day in the event of big  Sino-American war, the Baltic states and Ukraine are lost at first day of war.

They can wait calmly - the Chinese will test you in Taiwan, the Russians in Eastern Europe and the Iranians in the Middle East.

One day, like in the "Godfather" the day of resolving "family matters" will come.

 

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US was dragged into Vietnam war by the France and there was no US nor South Vietnam signatures in splitting the country into half agreement.  I dislike  Bush for Afghan, in the name of terrorist totalitarian regime. In both cases, it was terrible marketing for Democracy while disregarding the culture and threw USD toward the problems to stimulated democracy could never replace an ideology for native people in war. 

I see no obligation in Ukraine although I disapprove  both US and EU shadowing part in Ukraine in 2014. Half of the reason Ukraine wasn't allowed in the EU is because of their government  corruption. IMHO, Ukraine people were tricked so the 2014 revolution just replace a corruption elite government  with another corruption elite government and cost them the eastern part of Ukraine and the tension with Russia. And somehow US and EU should bail out the current corrupted one because their politicians were helping these in the past? 

Countless time in the history a corrupted regime lost  their people support which leads to the country to be conquered and the people would be enslaved with worse standard of living or liberated which higher standard of living.  Empire rise and fall.

 

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15 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

All the major political parties had a candidate running for President. Navalny neither has a registered party, nor was eligible to run on the account of being a convicted felon on probation, if you mean him.

 

15 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

All the major political parties had a candidate running for President. Navalny neither has a registered party, nor was eligible to run on the account of being a convicted felon on probation, if you mean him.

Andrei, you can do better than use an excuse like that. 

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Russia is simply playing escalation / de-escalation so that the West finally  forces the Ukrainians to strictly implement the Minsk agreements of the federalisation of Ukraine and thus close its path to Western structures.

The hysterical narrative of the Western media makes Putin's job much easier

In this way, Biden wants to present himself as a tough player defending Europe against Putin.

Boris Johnson is fighting for a job as prime-minister.

Erdogan dreams of the role of the negotiator of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

Macron, in turn, is struggling with the humiliation of breaking of the contract for submarines for voters in the coming elections.

Scholz wants to have business as usuak with Russia and NS II certified for next winter.

Nobody really care about Ukrainians but his interests. Its good or lets say reasonable attitute hat you coud expect.

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What is easy is not always what is best in the long run. Europe should not be dependent on Russia only. It must develop alternatives to assure it is not forever a target of blackmail. Putin has played his bluff, but at what cost to the reputation of the Russian Bear?

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On 2/18/2022 at 6:11 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No way there is a war, unless the Ukraine does an all-out attempt to retake the separatist Donbass? This is the consensus in both Russia and Ukraine.

Also note that the pretext of a bogus Russian invasion has been used to pump Ukraine full of weapons, so that they can always do it later.

You should first read Ukas 117 from Ukraine

https://seemorerocks.is/decree-of-the-president-of-ukraine-no-117-2021/

 

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Everything they wanted! Biden Administration has yet again proved that they are brain dead. Same as in 2014 when Putin just walked into the lower Baltic; we did nothing, Obama had no balls, Biden is fucking brain dead, is not in charge, and yet again, the United States looks like an assclown. 

The Vice President does nothing but cackle!

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You have to wonder how many Hollywood directors, actors, helped Putin put this conspiracy together?

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