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No, you are wrong.  The fight is not about Ukraine independence.  In fact, it is about Ukraine's dependence: dependence upon the USA, forced upon the people of Ukraine.

Putin's terms are simple, but seemingly too simple for morons like you. Putin wants an independent Ukraine, not a USA vassal. A Ukraine without a military and without a Nazi militia. A Ukraine entirely free of US interference and NATO alliance. A truly democratic Ukraine, where political dissidents are not rounded up and murdered, where opposition parties are not outlawed, where the Press is protected, where children are not subjected to Nazi doctrine.  uh, what is wrong with this?

Has the world seen a neutral country be successful?  uh, Switzerland, Japan, others.

Putin's views for Ukraine are that "Ukraine is not a real country" - that the eistance is a historical aberration. What Putin wants is to have Ukraine join the Union State along with Belarus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State and probably reassimilation into some russian superstate.

Euromaidan was once again, centered around a independent Ukraine associating with, and after many reforms, eventually joining the EU, not going into deep association with Russia. It had nothing to do with NATO or dependence on the US. 

The narrative that Ukraine is "not even a real country" with agency on its own runs deep among Russian nationalists.

Here is Igor Girkin again, from a post a day or two ago, responding to Putin's comments that it needs to be "purified" from western influences:

 

 

 

But now the citizens of the Russian Federation are offered not the ideology of "war for Russia" at all, no! - They are called upon to sacrifice their lives for the sake of both "demilitarization and some kind of denazification" of the so-called "Ukraine". but are there many people in the Russian Federation who care about who is in power in Ukraine - Nazis or not? - Such people certainly exist. And it's not that there are very few of them. But in order to wage a full-fledged war with the Nazis, this is not enough ... this is definitely not enough (not to mention the fact that the authorities of the Russian Federation itself are not very eager to involve such people as much as possible). And the bulk, in general, do not care about who rules in Kyiv - "Nazi" Zelensky or our "pro-Russian" (ugh!) Medvedchuk.

And no one even tries to explain to the citizens of the Russian Federation that Ukraine is a historical part of Russia, and its population is not some kind of "fraternal people", but naturally part of our Russian people (and not the worst part of it, if we take physical health and intelligence). Moreover, without Ukraine, Russia in the future will certainly continue to wither and dry (just like Ukraine, by the way, without the rest of Russia). And the only way to avoid a sad end is to reunite Ukraine, for which sacrifices are needed.

Part of our people and part of our country were seized by the Nazis, placed at their service and fooled the population. And they intend to capture us after that, to make our life even worse than it is now. In general: "GET UP RUSSIAN PEOPLE!"

With slogans and how to present these to the population, I believe, it is more or less clear. In very simple words: WAR must go for the liberation of the Russian people and the Russian Land from the Nazis. And nothing else.

And people who are not seen in a "constructive partnership" with these same Nazis should command and lead. (And if the entities that are "noticed" are so "indispensable", then at least put them in the shade for a while, as under Stalin they "put them in the shade" (and many deeper) representatives of the "Comintern" with their completely failed ideas like - "worker to worker is always a friend and brother! The German proletarian will not fight against the Soviet one!").

Now about the strategic goals. - They must fully comply with the slogans and ideology.

In order for Ukraine to never again become a threat to Russia, it must COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR AS A STATE. In general - not even within the framework of "autonomy".

Otherwise, the threat will remain that someday the rotten, the evil dwarf of "independence" will come out again with a portrait of Bandera on his left boob and a swastika on his right. And the threat will be inherited by our descendants. For Russia's security, the existence of an "independent state of Ukraine" is unacceptable in principle.

The political strategy, therefore, should be aimed at the complete destruction of the "Ukrainian state", and not at the "change of ideology." And - accordingly - on this basis, a military strategy that has a chance of success should be developed. And under it, the tools and resources necessary for successful implementation should line up.

Ukraine is part of Russia and should return to the Russian state (all or most of it is a tactical question). Everyone who opposes this or tries to prevent it is the essence of the enemy. Both outside and inside. And enemies in war are always dealt with quickly and ruthlessly. Otherwise it is impossible. Mercy can and should be shown after overcoming the adversary. And not before.

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Yet another day, yet another row between Israel and Russia:

Hamas sends delegation to meet with Chechen leader Kadyrov.

 

The delegation is also set to meet with Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, and may meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov if the minister's schedule permits, according to the Lebanese Al-Mayadeen TV.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-705840

 

edit: Russia TRIPLE downs, accusing Israel of sending mercs to fight along Azov

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/moscow-israeli-mercenaries-fighting-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-ukraines-far-right-azov-unit

 

 

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4 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Yet another day, yet another row between Israel and Russia:

Hamas sends delegation to meet with Chechen leader Kadyrov.

 

The delegation is also set to meet with Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, and may meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov if the minister's schedule permits, according to the Lebanese Al-Mayadeen TV.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-705840

 

edit: Russia TRIPLE downs, accusing Israel of sending mercs to fight along Azov

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/moscow-israeli-mercenaries-fighting-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-ukraines-far-right-azov-unit

 

 

Israel is a nuclear power and a technological powerhouse with many millions in the diaspora who will help it politically and financially. Russia should not threaten it. Many American Christians are also supporters of the holy land and many Muslims want to preserve their sites. 

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Ukrainian military repulse 11 enemy attacks in JFO area

The Armed Forces of Ukraine killed 40 invaders and destroyed five tanks in the east of the country on May 3.

According to Ukrinform, the Operational and Tactical Group East reported this on Facebook.

"On May 3, in the area of responsibility of the Operational and Tactical Group East, Russian fascist troops carried out three attacks. Ukrainian artillery inflicted fire damage on [enemy] vehicles and an ammunition depot was destroyed. Fighting continues," the statement said.

The enemy lost 40 soldiers, five tanks, two IFVs, seven artillery systems, and a mortar.

Earlier reports said that Ukrainian defenders had already killed about 24,200 Russian soldiers from February 24 to May 3.

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Ukrainian defenders have eliminated 36 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine.

The relevant statement was made by the East Operational Tactical Group on Facebook, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

“On May 4, 2022, within the control area of the East Operational Tactical Group, Russian fascist troops launched two attacks on the positions of Ukrainian defenders,” the report states.

As a result, the Ukrainian military destroyed 36 enemy troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, two armored personnel carriers and three motor vehicles.

A reminder that, between February 24, 2022 and May 4, 2022, Russia’s total combat losses in Ukraine reached about 24,500 troops.

 

Photo: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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‘This War Is a Vampire’: Buryat Activists Protest Ukraine Invasion

 The writer tells who the real Nazis are. RCW

 

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275587532_10223170142176346_359376322908327830_n.jpgAlexandra Garmazhapova.Alexandra Garmazhapova / facebook

From her California home, quantum computer scientist Maria Vyushkova uses open-source information to track how many Russian soldiers from the Siberian republic of Buryatia have been killed in the invasion of Ukraine. 

An ethnic Buryat born in Russia and member of the anti-war Free Buryatia Foundation, Vyushkova analyzes social media posts, official statements and media reports about funerals to estimate the number of Buryat deaths in Ukraine.

“At the moment, activists have gathered information about 1,700 killed Russian soldiers of which 48 or 49 are Buryat. That is 2.8%. In comparison, Buryats only make up 0.3% of the Russian population,” said Vyushkova.

The disproportionately high death toll of Buryats was one of the reasons for the establishment last month of the Free Buryatia Foundation, the first anti-war organization founded by members of a Russian ethnic minority. 

Lying between Lake Baikal and Mongolia in eastern Siberia, the republic of Buryatia is one of Russia’s poorest regions, with average monthly salary of about 44,000 rubles ($571). Approximately one-third of its population practices a mixture of Buddhism and shamanism. 

While ethnic Buryats are concentrated in Buryatia, they are one of the country’s largest indigenous groups and are also found in neighboring Russian regions, as well as nearby Mongolia and China. 

The poverty of their home regions means that, for many young Buryats in Russia, joining the Armed Forces is the only way to get a stable income.

Activists at a rally against the war in Ukraine in San Francisco.           Alexandra Garmazhapova / facebookActivists at a rally against the war in Ukraine in San Francisco.Alexandra Garmazhapova / facebook

“There is a correlation between the median income of the region and the death toll,” Vuyshkova told The Moscow Times. “Almost no one from Moscow has been killed.”

The Free Buryatia Foundation was set up shortly after the start of the war and its members are mainly Buryat emigres, although they have some volunteers inside Russia. The group’s leader, journalist Alexandra Garmazhapova, lives in the Czech capital of Prague. 

As well as releasing videos in which Buryats condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the group provides legal advice to Buryat servicemen who do not want to fight, and monitors the number of Buryats killed and wounded in the ongoing conflict.

One of the Free Buryatia Foundation’s aims is to push back against the “Putin’s soldiers” nickname that Ukrainian journalists coined for Buryats fighting in Ukraine because of the sheer numbers of them present in Russian units.  

“When Ukrainians talk about the Russian troops, they always mention Buryats and Chechens,” Garmazhapova said. “And we do not want this reputation.”

The phrase was later appropriated by a pro-Kremlin youth movement. 

After one of the group’s recent videos featuring Buryats criticizing the Russian invasion, Garmazhapova told The Moscow Times she got hundreds of messages of support from across Russia, including the Buryat capital of Ulan-Ude as well as urban centers Moscow and St. Petersburg. 

“Because of the military censorship, people who do not support the war feel like they are alone,” Garmazhapova explained. “Like there is something wrong with them.”

 

Mariya Vyushkova.           Mariya Vyushkova / facebookMariya Vyushkova.Mariya Vyushkova / facebook

It is difficult to gauge the level of the support among Buryats for the invasion of Ukraine, which is over 5,000 kilometers from the republic of Buryatia. 

But there is anecdotal evidence of opposition. 

On Monday a local resident damaged a Russian flag emblazoned with a large “Z” – a symbol of support for the war – in front of central Ulan-Ude’s famous bronze Lenin head. Police said the following day that a 46-year-old man had been arrested in connection with the incident. 

And a woman in Ulan-Ude demanded Tuesday that a minibus driver remove the letter “Z” from his vehicle. The driver took her to the police station.

While the group has counted almost 50 Buryats killed in Ukraine, a lack of official data about Russian casualties means the real death toll is likely to be far higher. 

At least 85 soldiers from the republic of Buryatia have been killed in Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion, according to open-source research published this week by independent media outlet Mediazona that counted both ethnic Russians and ethnic Buryats. 

Dead soldiers from Buryatia have been as young as 18.

Buddhist soldiers from Buryatia pray in Ukraine.           t.me/ChDambievBuddhist soldiers from Buryatia pray in Ukraine.t.me/ChDambiev

Of all Russia’s regions, only the majority Muslim North Caucasus republic of Dagestan had a higher death toll than Buryatia, according to the independent Mediazona news website.

“This war,” Vyushkova said, “is like a vampire. It sucks the young blood out of Buryatia.”

Garmazhapova’s group also provides help for Buryat servicemen who do not want to fight in Ukraine. “What we can do here is put the families of the soldiers in touch with lawyers and human rights organizations,” she said. So far, about 20 people have contacted the foundation in connection with this issue.

Many of the killed Buryat soldiers were university graduates who you might not expect to be in the army, according to Vyushkova, including teachers, lawyers and a programmer. 

“They couldn’t find any jobs,” Vyushkova said. “Just imagine: a 40-year-old junior sergeant with an arts teacher degree dies in the war, leaving three orphaned kids. These were people who obviously had plans, ambitions, and wanted to do something with their lives.” 

Another of Vyushkova’s discoveries when she was looking into Buryat soldiers’ deaths was that the number of high-ranking Buryat officers killed in Ukraine was significantly lower than that of Russian officers overall – one indication of systemic discrimination against Buryats in the military. 

 

Lenin monument in Ulan-Ude decorated with the "Z" symbolizing support for the invasion.            vk.com/alexey.tsydenovLenin monument in Ulan-Ude decorated with the "Z" symbolizing support for the invasion.vk.com/alexey.tsydenov

“One of our volunteers was in the army,” Vyushkova said. “He told me that in the army, there was even more racial discrimination than in other spheres of life in Russia. ‘They simply will not let you climb up the ranks,’ is what he said.”

Discrimination against Buryats is not something confined to the Armed Forces.   

Garmazhapova said she never felt safe using the St. Petersburg metro because people could become aggressive. “The weirdest part is that you get used to it,” she said.

And the deputy head of the Free Buryatia Foundation Viktoria Maladaeva, received hundreds of insults and threats because of her ethnicity when she won the 2014 Mrs. St. Petersburg beauty pageant. 

“Living in Moscow and St. Petersburg, we encountered racism on a daily basis,” said Garmazhapova, which is why she has been particularly angered by Russian claims to be “de-nazifying” Ukraine. 

“One of our volunteers was beaten up in the streets, the other was bullied at school in Moscow and had to go back to Buryatia. We know that the first country that needs denazification is Russia itself,” she said. 

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‘Cowards’: Russian Bank Founder Slams Oligarchs’ Silence on Ukraine War

May 3, 2022

    
279729492_2984088098518434_3554611135916216852_n.jpgOleg Tinkov.Oleg Tinkov / instagram

The founder of one of Russia’s largest banks has condemned Russia’s business elite for refusing to speak out against Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

Oleg Tinkov became one of the few influential Russian business owners to protest the war when he denounced the conflict as a “massacre” in an Instagram post on April 19.

He later told The New York Times that the Kremlin had ordered senior executives from his company, Tinkoff Bank, to cut ties with him soon after the tirade went live.

But posting again on Instagram Tuesday, Tinkoff appeared to have no regrets.

“I lost everything, but I didn't lose my soul. I can't easily make money in a country that is at war with a neighbor, killing civilians and children,” he wrote on Instagram Tuesday.

“I don’t know how much I have left to live, but I definitely don’t want to die hanging on to billions but living as a bastard, a coward and a schmuck, like 90 percent of Russian oligarchs. Cowards: you have one life and you need to live it as a person.”

Tinkov sold his 35 percent stake in TCS, the group that owns Tinkoff Bank, to Russian mining magnate Vladimir Potanin’s company Interros last week.

The businessman told The New York Times that Tinkoff Bank had been threatened with nationalization if he did not sell his stake for just 3 percent of its estimated value.

Although the final price was not confirmed, the London stock exchange valued his Tinkov’s stake in the company at more than $20 billion last year.

Tinkov publicly announced that he had leukaemia in March 2020, and has been away from Russia while receiving treatment. In his post, he said a final farewell to Russia.

“It is a pity that my country has finally slipped into archaism, paternalism and servility. There is no Russia: it is all gone,” he wrote.

“I'm taking the Tinkoff and La Datcha brands out of the country. They belong to my family: I don't want to besmirch them with the blood of Russian soldiers and the citizens of Ukraine. Ukraine will win because good always wins over evil— we were taught that at school.”

 

 
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For those who are interested, this article contains a good report about Western Media lies on the Ukraine-Russia scene.  I figure that many people do not wish to look at historical facts but prefer to live with their narrative, so I won't include the full story of examples of lies.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/no-its-not-fake-news-its-nazi-propaganda?s=r

One example...

EXAMPLE #2 NEW YORK POST - "RUSSIA CONTINUES BOMBARDMENT OF UKRAINIAN CITIES"

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Again, but an even more blatant intention to mislead, to lie. The photo, again, is the aftermath of a Ukrainian missile attack on a civilian residential area of Donetsk, not far from my home in Petrovsky District. Another terrorist attack by ukrop nazis against civilian targets, blamed by US nazi propagandists on DPR and Russian defenders of the very civilians the ukrops attacked and murdered. Can I prove it? Well, yes I can. Here I am, in front of the exact same apartment building, hit by the ukrop nazi missiles. An honest headline would read, "Ukraine Continues Bombardment of Donbass Cities."

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But these nazi propagandists do not stop at simply blaming their victims for their own crimes....

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9 hours ago, Tom Nolan said:
Again, but an even more blatant intention to mislead, to lie. The photo, again, is the aftermath of a Ukrainian missile attack on a civilian residential area of Donetsk, not far from my home in Petrovsky District. Another terrorist attack by ukrop nazis against civilian targets, blamed by US nazi propagandists on DPR and Russian defenders of the very civilians the ukrops attacked and murdered. Can I prove it? Well, yes I can. Here I am, in front of the exact same apartment building, hit by the ukrop nazi missiles. An honest headline would read, "Ukraine Continues Bombardment of Donbass Cities."

Yeah, so you think this guy, who clearly is either living in an alternate reality or is working indirectly for russian intelligence, is honest:

https://archive.ph/Kw0SZ

Bentley became a citizen of the breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic in 2017, and became a citizen of Russia in 2020. Today, he grows belligerent when pressed on the contradictions of his decision to side with an authoritarian like Putin. ”What about Putin poisoning his political rivals?” I ask him, referring to Alexei Navalny, the opposition leader who blames the Kremlin for poisoning him with a powerful nerve agent. 
Bentley shoots back: “Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be that stupid?” He insists that it’s “a fucking question that only an idiot would fucking ask.” Bentley underscores that the alleged poisoning victims are still living. “Do you think that if Vladimir Putin, the head of the most powerful military in the world today, wanted to kill somebody that [he] would fail?” he asks. “That’s a really stupid question.” 
 
 
 
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On 4/22/2022 at 8:20 PM, RichieRich216 said:

SpaceX shut down a Russian electromagnetic warfare attack in Ukraine last month — and the Pentagon is taking notes

Really meaning, they resisted attempts to jam their own terminals

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/04/20/spacex-shut-down-a-russian-electromagnetic-warfare-attack-in-ukraine-last-month-and-the-pentagon-is-taking-notes/

Rephrased this way, a non-event.

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13 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/03/cowards-russian-bank-founder-slams-oligarchs-silence-on-ukraine-war-a77565

 

‘Cowards’: Russian Bank Founder Slams Oligarchs’ Silence on Ukraine War

May 3, 2022

    

279729492_2984088098518434_3554611135916216852_n.jpgOleg Tinkov.Oleg Tinkov / instagram

The founder of one of Russia’s largest banks has condemned Russia’s business elite for refusing to speak out against Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

Oleg Tinkov became one of the few influential Russian business owners to protest the war when he denounced the conflict as a “massacre” in an Instagram post on April 19.

He later told The New York Times that the Kremlin had ordered senior executives from his company, Tinkoff Bank, to cut ties with him soon after the tirade went live.

But posting again on Instagram Tuesday, Tinkoff appeared to have no regrets.

“I lost everything, but I didn't lose my soul. I can't easily make money in a country that is at war with a neighbor, killing civilians and children,” he wrote on Instagram Tuesday.

“I don’t know how much I have left to live, but I definitely don’t want to die hanging on to billions but living as a bastard, a coward and a schmuck, like 90 percent of Russian oligarchs. Cowards: you have one life and you need to live it as a person.”

Tinkov sold his 35 percent stake in TCS, the group that owns Tinkoff Bank, to Russian mining magnate Vladimir Potanin’s company Interros last week.

The businessman told The New York Times that Tinkoff Bank had been threatened with nationalization if he did not sell his stake for just 3 percent of its estimated value.

Although the final price was not confirmed, the London stock exchange valued his Tinkov’s stake in the company at more than $20 billion last year.

Tinkov publicly announced that he had leukaemia in March 2020, and has been away from Russia while receiving treatment. In his post, he said a final farewell to Russia.

“It is a pity that my country has finally slipped into archaism, paternalism and servility. There is no Russia: it is all gone,” he wrote.

“I'm taking the Tinkoff and La Datcha brands out of the country. They belong to my family: I don't want to besmirch them with the blood of Russian soldiers and the citizens of Ukraine. Ukraine will win because good always wins over evil— we were taught that at school.”

 

 

Founder of Russian Bank Pleads Guilty to Tax Fraud | OPA | Department of Justice

If they are silent, then only because they are pissed at the West even more, for expropriating all of their property. Since that property was largely stolen from the Russian people in the first place, does the majority only cheer to this. Tinkoff is self-made though. The only "micro-credit" organization (i.e. loan sharking gang) ever to become a legitimate bank, I reckon.

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4 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Yeah, so you think this guy, who clearly is either living in an alternate reality or is working indirectly for the GRU, is honest:

https://archive.ph/Kw0SZ

Bentley became a citizen of the breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic in 2017, and became a citizen of Russia in 2020. Today, he grows belligerent when pressed on the contradictions of his decision to side with an authoritarian like Putin. ”What about Putin poisoning his political rivals?” I ask him, referring to Alexei Navalny, the opposition leader who blames the Kremlin for poisoning him with a powerful nerve agent. 
Bentley shoots back: “Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be that stupid?” He insists that it’s “a fucking question that only an idiot would fucking ask.” Bentley underscores that the alleged poisoning victims are still living. “Do you think that if Vladimir Putin, the head of the most powerful military in the world today, wanted to kill somebody that [he] would fail?” he asks. “That’s a really stupid question.” 
 
 
 

Which part of his reality is "alternate?" Ukraine did shell Donetsk severely even before Russia got involved. It still does so today. The fact that that Western media ignored this for the last 8 years does not change the fact of it being true.

Neither is a story of Putin poisoning his "political rivals" remotely real. Most likely, an attempt to elevate such to the status of "Putin's political rivals" in the first place. Which they aren't. Navalny managed to come 2nd in Moscow mayor election in 2013, and that was likely his popularity peak.
 

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On 5/3/2022 at 5:15 PM, surrept33 said:

"nazi" just means anything vaguely anti-russian in Russia. 

Meanwhile Russia significantly escalated their row with Israel - doubling down and accuses Israel of supporting "neo-Nazis in Ukraine".

Seems like a very stupid action on Russia's part - trying to provoke a country with large weapon manufacturing capabilities. There are already rumblings about Israel sending Israeli-made munitions to Ukraine, such as Spike ATGMs and Harop Loitering Munitions (used for SEAD).

Feels like Israel is in a bit of a hard place - while it absolutely hates Russia's rhetoric, the last thing it wants is even more Russian support for the Syrian and Iranian regimes, such as S-400 and nuclear tech.

That's the main reason why Israel had cooperation with Russia at all in recent years. Now Russia seems to want to inexplicably tear that apart for its own internal politics, thereby pushing Israel firmly in Ukraine's camp.

Let's not forget that due to anti-semitic practices in the Russian empire, there is a significantly larger Jewish community with Ukrainian roots than Russian roots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

 

You are a great specialist on Russia, aren't you? Nazi means just that. They haven't exactly been hiding in Ukraine.

There is no row with Israel, or the issue is not new. Ze said stupider stuff in his speech to Knesset. Israel already sold some weapons to Ukraine, which is internally controversial in Israel.

The cooperation with Israel has something to do with near 20% of their citizens being ex-USSR. These people mostly left in the late 80-ties / early 90-ties and are just that - incorrigible Soviets (same as yours truly) This means, they could not care less about the new ultranationalist Ukraine. Russia is significantly less problematic.

The Pale of Settlement goes with the borders of Congress Poland and only applied to visually practicing Jews. There were no restrictions on Jews living a secular lifestyle.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Israel is a nuclear power and a technological powerhouse with many millions in the diaspora who will help it politically and financially. Russia should not threaten it. Many American Christians are also supporters of the holy land and many Muslims want to preserve their sites. 

Whatever Israel got on technology, is largely due to ex-Soviets, who make up nearly 20% of the population. This means that Israeli lobby is also very strong in Russia itself. Overall, a non-event.

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30 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Ukraine did shell Donetsk severely even before Russia got involved. It still does so today. The fact that that Western media ignored this for the last 8 years does not change the fact of it being true.

Those are FACTS.  Thanks for stating historical facts.

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On 5/4/2022 at 5:31 PM, surrept33 said:

Putin's views for Ukraine are that "Ukraine is not a real country" - that the eistance is a historical aberration. What Putin wants is to have Ukraine join the Union State along with Belarus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State and probably reassimilation into some russian superstate.

Euromaidan was once again, centered around a independent Ukraine associating with, and after many reforms, eventually joining the EU, not going into deep association with Russia. It had nothing to do with NATO or dependence on the US. 

The narrative that Ukraine is "not even a real country" with agency on its own runs deep among Russian nationalists.

Here is Igor Girkin again, from a post a day or two ago, responding to Putin's comments that it needs to be "purified" from western influences:

 

 

 

But now the citizens of the Russian Federation are offered not the ideology of "war for Russia" at all, no! - They are called upon to sacrifice their lives for the sake of both "demilitarization and some kind of denazification" of the so-called "Ukraine". but are there many people in the Russian Federation who care about who is in power in Ukraine - Nazis or not? - Such people certainly exist. And it's not that there are very few of them. But in order to wage a full-fledged war with the Nazis, this is not enough ... this is definitely not enough (not to mention the fact that the authorities of the Russian Federation itself are not very eager to involve such people as much as possible). And the bulk, in general, do not care about who rules in Kyiv - "Nazi" Zelensky or our "pro-Russian" (ugh!) Medvedchuk.

And no one even tries to explain to the citizens of the Russian Federation that Ukraine is a historical part of Russia, and its population is not some kind of "fraternal people", but naturally part of our Russian people (and not the worst part of it, if we take physical health and intelligence). Moreover, without Ukraine, Russia in the future will certainly continue to wither and dry (just like Ukraine, by the way, without the rest of Russia). And the only way to avoid a sad end is to reunite Ukraine, for which sacrifices are needed.

Part of our people and part of our country were seized by the Nazis, placed at their service and fooled the population. And they intend to capture us after that, to make our life even worse than it is now. In general: "GET UP RUSSIAN PEOPLE!"

With slogans and how to present these to the population, I believe, it is more or less clear. In very simple words: WAR must go for the liberation of the Russian people and the Russian Land from the Nazis. And nothing else.

And people who are not seen in a "constructive partnership" with these same Nazis should command and lead. (And if the entities that are "noticed" are so "indispensable", then at least put them in the shade for a while, as under Stalin they "put them in the shade" (and many deeper) representatives of the "Comintern" with their completely failed ideas like - "worker to worker is always a friend and brother! The German proletarian will not fight against the Soviet one!").

Now about the strategic goals. - They must fully comply with the slogans and ideology.

In order for Ukraine to never again become a threat to Russia, it must COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR AS A STATE. In general - not even within the framework of "autonomy".

Otherwise, the threat will remain that someday the rotten, the evil dwarf of "independence" will come out again with a portrait of Bandera on his left boob and a swastika on his right. And the threat will be inherited by our descendants. For Russia's security, the existence of an "independent state of Ukraine" is unacceptable in principle.

The political strategy, therefore, should be aimed at the complete destruction of the "Ukrainian state", and not at the "change of ideology." And - accordingly - on this basis, a military strategy that has a chance of success should be developed. And under it, the tools and resources necessary for successful implementation should line up.

Ukraine is part of Russia and should return to the Russian state (all or most of it is a tactical question). Everyone who opposes this or tries to prevent it is the essence of the enemy. Both outside and inside. And enemies in war are always dealt with quickly and ruthlessly. Otherwise it is impossible. Mercy can and should be shown after overcoming the adversary. And not before.

Euromaidan was an illegal and violent coup, which ended up with Ukraine signing up the boilerplate version of the EU Association - a tremendously bum deal. Economic integration with Russia along the lines of supplier/customer relationships cut by the breakup of USSR made tremendous sense. Contrary to what you claim, Russia did not demand any political integration from Ukraine.

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On 5/3/2022 at 5:59 PM, surrept33 said:

Russia smears Swedish cultural giants as Nazi in propaganda posters:

https://www.thelocal.se/20220503/fact-check-has-russia-launched-an-anti-swedish-propaganda-campaign/

They are correct about the IKEA founder

Nazi past followed Ikea founder to his death – Chicago Tribune

And Astrid Lindgren likely got confused with Selma Lagerlöf' (who wrote "Niels and the wild geese") To put this in context, the Nazi ideology was tremendously popular in Sweden before WWII (arguably, also during the war) because the Nazis designated Scandinavians as the pinnacle of human development (their own Nordic credentials were so-so) For that, they did not really need Nazi help. Plenty of Scandinavian racists around, which I think is still the primary driver of the Swedish attitude towards Russia.

Ah, actually read the article. They are referring to Lindgren's quote where she said she preferred a Nazi invasion to the Russian one. Fair enough, don't you think, given that Russia never had any obvious intention to invade Sweden? IMHO, they should have, given how Sweden provided some 80% of Nazi Iron ore and all of their ball bearings, so attacking Sweden would've stopped the Nazis right there.

Also seems true about Bergman, which I didn't know

Bergman's Nazi Past on JSTOR

So, which part exactly are you disagreeing with there?

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On 4/3/2022 at 2:56 AM, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375?maca=en-AS-content-outbrain

Chechen and Tatar Muslims take up arms to fight for Ukraine

Chechen warlord and Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov boasted of his soldiers' part in Russia's war in Ukraine. But many Chechen and Tatar Muslims are defending Ukraine and settling scores with the rulers of their homelands.

Not as much "for Ukraine", but "against Russia"

Sheikh Mansur Battalion - Wikipedia and

Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion - Wikipedia

Not that they had anything better to do, being on international wanted terrorist lists.

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– PROPAGANDA – Simplify the Message and “Repeat the Message”

This is an excellent 100 second VIDEO…

Fritz Hippler on film propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIMddvUIgb4

Mark Crispin Miller writes:
“Fritz Hippler explained the secret of modern propaganda, and he would know. He was the Chief of Filmmaking at the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda during the years of Nazi Germany. As he put it, “The secret of propaganda is to simplify complex or complicated things, to make them as simple as possible, so even less ingenious men can understand what I mean. And then, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it every day. That’s the secret of modern propaganda – simplify and repetition.” (You should really click on the link, and hear and see him say it himself. He’s very convincing.)”

~~ https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/no-its-not-fake-news-its-nazi-propaganda?s=r

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On 5/2/2022 at 2:38 AM, Ron Wagner said:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41294-021-00169-w

Why the average Russian male will not see his 68th birthday. Sad, while Putin and his cronies are so rich. 

It is time you learn the difference between the average and the median.

How rich are "Putin's cronies" Show me? So far, they found nothing. AFAIK.Not for the lack of trying.

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On 4/30/2022 at 11:47 PM, surrept33 said:

It wasn't a phone call. And biden wasn't the only person who called for Shokin to be fired: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

Relative to the $1b aid that the US was threatening to pause, the IMF aid package wa colossal in nature ($40b):

https://www.ft.com/content/44c1641e-cff7-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377

I don't think Afghanistan had anything to do with Putin's calculus. It was clear we were drawing down from Afghanistan for a long time 

Aha, impediment to anti-corruption efforts. This is why nobody was prosecuted for corruption in Ukraine ever since?

They did destroy a very important institution of Ukrainian Deep State in the process, though. Because the Prosecutor General is the only government official who does not report to the President. You can see that it is that way in Russia too. The Russian Prosecutor General does not report to Putin either, Putin can only fire him. It be the legacy of USSR, which did not have independent courts, but did have independent prosecution office.

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On 5/1/2022 at 1:22 AM, Ron Wagner said:

That is one hell of a stretch. It has nothing to do with the invasion at all. It has to do with a plutocrat buying off a corrupt American Vice President Biden and his family covering up their own corruption. Biden announced,publically what he did and bragged about it. This was widely shown on the media. Knowledgeable people also knew that Hillary Clinton was behind the whole Trump Russia setup story. 

Ukraine, an independent nation and people were invaded by Russia, plain and simple. Invaded for the second time and Crimea grabbed because they could. 

One only needs to look at what Russia has done to know who is on the side of evil. 

You forgot to ask the Crimean people.

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