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43 minutes ago, notsonice said:

for Cuba it hurts...Venezuela??? oil price is up they must be happy that they are getting twice the price for oil

No both are in barter deals with Russia . Venezuela would ship oil to Russia or sell to China and Russia would sell an equal amount of Russian crude while using Venezuela crude for their domestic market.  Russia then bartered or paid Venezuela  while taking a commission.  The Chinese deal still stands.

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Sounds like US/EU/UK tech sector is about to get 18,000 more qualified workers:

 

Yandex, considered ‘Russia’s Google’, shaken and isolated by Putin’s war

“We’re all stunned at what happened,” a senior figure at Yandex told the Financial Times. “None of us expected that Russia would go to war. The sanctions are coming in fast and hard, and the impact it’s having on our ability to operate is really challenging.”

Founded in 1997, Yandex has spent years cultivating an image that it was far enough removed from the Kremlin to be considered a secure investment.

The crumbling stock price and value of the rouble meant many in the company’s 18,000 strong workforce, who receive a large amount of compensation via equity, were in a state of near “panic”, said the senior figure at the company.

Insiders said Russia’s actions were causing anguish among employees who, mirroring Silicon Valley giants it has sought to emulate, skewed young and globally minded.

Lev Gershenzon, a former head of news at Yandex, told the FT that while Yandex was not a state broadcaster, its news filters were amplifying a Kremlin-sanctioned message to tens of millions of people each day, giving an inaccurate picture of the reality in Ukraine.

In a Facebook post, Gershenzon wrote to his former colleagues: “It’s not too late to stop being accomplices to a terrible crime. If you can’t do anything — quit.”

https://www.ft.com/content/5db2e1b0-ad8b-46f2-9c34-dc02af783cae

 

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The world is nieve thinking anything other than an all out war on Putin will have a better outcome. Fear from the west is what emboldened Putin or maybe it wouldn’t have mattered. He has made the decision that he will not be stopped. Only a concerted effort by the majority of the world will stop him. Get-er-done. 
Let’s do the no fly zone. Be ready to nuke in retaliation, in fact expect Putin to nuke. There is no appeasing a monster. Let’s just be real. 
The Ukraine is no longer enough. Putins military needs to be destroyed world over. The message needs to be very clear going forward. We will challenge any threat to free speech. There is no room for loyality. 
All this reasoning, suprise, questioning of Putins mind, paper/mental barriers to helping Ukraining, misses the point. Misses the path. Misses the inevitable destruction reguardless of action.

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Putin today, Trump tomorrow. These boys are cut from the same cloth, peas in a pod. Willing to accumulate power by any means necessary.  The old saying, I never promised you a rose garden rings true. You reap what you sew, the Bible says. Just remember the bad guys are sewing as they have since humans evolved. None of this is new news or unexpected. 
The majority of immigrants to the US came from Europe. Their maps of military led changes over a few centuries is mind blowing. The US is not special or immune to chaos. From my perspective we are the largest country used to free speech and the ability to roam around.  Nobody but US as in USA can keep those freedoms. Internally and externally you have to ask yourself. You want to be independent? 
 

 

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Putin today, Trump tomorrow. <-- Boat

Republicans will claim that Biden and Democrats lost Afghanistan and Ukraine, "he is weak, very weak" was used already, and that they wrecked income of American households with high inflation, again, such ads were used but now they will be convincing.  Probably Republican House and Senate by the end of this year.

Two years later, potentially electable Democrats will have no chance in money primary and the media, so Trump, older than even less coherent than before, will win (Americans seem to love incoherent babble, if a candidate is less of a brainiac that he has to have big heart, unwavering resolve and all such).  Then Russia will loose the advantage of having one-party government.  I am not sure if this is an advantage, but Russia will loose it.

 

 

 

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300 Shots Fired, 280 Russian Tanks Gone: US Missiles In Ukrainian Hands

Javelin missiles in Ukraine: At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, according to a report

New Delhi: 

The Ukrainian military fighting the much larger Russian invasion force has been able to kill hundreds of Russian tanks and armoured vehicles using a hand-held anti-tank missile supplied by the US, according to a US journalist who has been tracking the war in the east European nation.

At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, journalist Jack Murphy said in an article quoting a US Special Operations official.

That is a 93 per cent kill rate.

The Javelin, made jointly by Raytheon Missiles and Defence, and Lockheed Martin, follow a flight path that hits targets from the top, where the armour is relatively weaker. Almost every tank armour is thicker on the sides, but the top is known to be weaker, and that is where the Javelin missile strikes.

The Javelin can also be fired in a straight flight path mode, if needed.

"The first shipment of Javelins arrived (in Ukraine) in 2018, the weapons systems along with a training and sustainment block (called the Total Package Approach) totalling somewhere around $75 million," Mr Murphy wrote in the article.

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A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes

"As the Russians learned that Ukraine now had Javelins, their T-72 tanks in Donbas became less aggressive, and pulled further back from the frontlines," he said, quoting the US military official.

A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes.

When Russian armoured columns entered urban areas in Ukraine, their tanks became more vulnerable to Javelin hits if they didn't have infantry support. Ukrainian forces equipped with Javelins would hide and move quicker, as they didn't have a chance in a direct tank-versus-tank fight on open ground because of the sheer numbers the Russians have.

"However, the numbers of tanks killed by Ukrainian soldiers, with the Javelin or other anti-tank weapons, are difficult to take seriously. Mostly appearing on social media, these numbers are likely to be exaggerated by the Ukrainians and downplayed by the Russians. The usual fog of war makes it even more difficult to ascertain accurate numbers," Mr Murphy wrote.

Three days after the Russian invasion started in Ukraine, US President Joe Biden had instructed the US State Department to release up to an additional $350 million worth of weapons from US stocks to Ukraine, which had been asking for the anti-tank Javelin and anti-aircraft Stinger missile

 

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On 3/4/2022 at 10:51 PM, surrept33 said:

Sounds like US/EU/UK tech sector is about to get 18,000 more qualified workers:

 

Yandex, considered ‘Russia’s Google’, shaken and isolated by Putin’s war

“We’re all stunned at what happened,” a senior figure at Yandex told the Financial Times. “None of us expected that Russia would go to war. The sanctions are coming in fast and hard, and the impact it’s having on our ability to operate is really challenging.”

Founded in 1997, Yandex has spent years cultivating an image that it was far enough removed from the Kremlin to be considered a secure investment.

The crumbling stock price and value of the rouble meant many in the company’s 18,000 strong workforce, who receive a large amount of compensation via equity, were in a state of near “panic”, said the senior figure at the company.

Insiders said Russia’s actions were causing anguish among employees who, mirroring Silicon Valley giants it has sought to emulate, skewed young and globally minded.

Lev Gershenzon, a former head of news at Yandex, told the FT that while Yandex was not a state broadcaster, its news filters were amplifying a Kremlin-sanctioned message to tens of millions of people each day, giving an inaccurate picture of the reality in Ukraine.

In a Facebook post, Gershenzon wrote to his former colleagues: “It’s not too late to stop being accomplices to a terrible crime. If you can’t do anything — quit.”

https://www.ft.com/content/5db2e1b0-ad8b-46f2-9c34-dc02af783cae

 

Yandex is a major winner of DuckDuckGo suiciding itself (admitted to censorship of "Russian disinformation")

The news filters should amplify in impartial way.

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On 3/6/2022 at 8:45 AM, notsonice said:

300 Shots Fired, 280 Russian Tanks Gone: US Missiles In Ukrainian Hands

Javelin missiles in Ukraine: At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, according to a report

New Delhi: 

The Ukrainian military fighting the much larger Russian invasion force has been able to kill hundreds of Russian tanks and armoured vehicles using a hand-held anti-tank missile supplied by the US, according to a US journalist who has been tracking the war in the east European nation.

At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, journalist Jack Murphy said in an article quoting a US Special Operations official.

That is a 93 per cent kill rate.

The Javelin, made jointly by Raytheon Missiles and Defence, and Lockheed Martin, follow a flight path that hits targets from the top, where the armour is relatively weaker. Almost every tank armour is thicker on the sides, but the top is known to be weaker, and that is where the Javelin missile strikes.

The Javelin can also be fired in a straight flight path mode, if needed.

"The first shipment of Javelins arrived (in Ukraine) in 2018, the weapons systems along with a training and sustainment block (called the Total Package Approach) totalling somewhere around $75 million," Mr Murphy wrote in the article.

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A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes

"As the Russians learned that Ukraine now had Javelins, their T-72 tanks in Donbas became less aggressive, and pulled further back from the frontlines," he said, quoting the US military official.

A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes.

When Russian armoured columns entered urban areas in Ukraine, their tanks became more vulnerable to Javelin hits if they didn't have infantry support. Ukrainian forces equipped with Javelins would hide and move quicker, as they didn't have a chance in a direct tank-versus-tank fight on open ground because of the sheer numbers the Russians have.

"However, the numbers of tanks killed by Ukrainian soldiers, with the Javelin or other anti-tank weapons, are difficult to take seriously. Mostly appearing on social media, these numbers are likely to be exaggerated by the Ukrainians and downplayed by the Russians. The usual fog of war makes it even more difficult to ascertain accurate numbers," Mr Murphy wrote.

Three days after the Russian invasion started in Ukraine, US President Joe Biden had instructed the US State Department to release up to an additional $350 million worth of weapons from US stocks to Ukraine, which had been asking for the anti-tank Javelin and anti-aircraft Stinger missile

 

This is, if you give any credence to official Ukraine figures. This guy thinks otherwise

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as of 3/13 

Russia - 1234 pieces of equipment lost, of which: destroyed: 525, damaged: 15, abandoned: 193, captured: 501 an increase of 80 pieces (including tanks) lost in the past 24 hours where photo documentation exists

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Attack On Europe: Documenting Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

 Oryx  Thursday, February 24, 2022  Bayraktar TB2 , DNR  351 Comments
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By Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky
  
A detailed list of the destroyed and captured vehicles and equipment of both sides can be seen below. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.
 
This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Small arms, munitions, civilian vehicles, trailers and derelict equipment (including aircraft) are not included in this list. All possible effort has gone into discerning the status of equipment between captured or abandoned. Many of the entries listed as 'abandoned' will likely end up captured or destroyed. Similarly, some of the captured equipment might be destroyed if it can't be recovered. ATGMs and MANPADS are included in the list but not included in the ultimate count. The Soviet flag is used when the equipment in question was produced prior to 1991.
 
(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)

 

Russia - 1234, of which: destroyed: 525, damaged: 15, abandoned: 193, captured: 501

 

Tanks (204, of which destroyed: 71, damaged: 2, abandoned: 39, captured: 92)

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On 3/6/2022 at 1:45 AM, notsonice said:

300 Shots Fired, 280 Russian Tanks Gone: US Missiles In Ukrainian Hands

Javelin missiles in Ukraine: At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, according to a report

New Delhi: 

The Ukrainian military fighting the much larger Russian invasion force has been able to kill hundreds of Russian tanks and armoured vehicles using a hand-held anti-tank missile supplied by the US, according to a US journalist who has been tracking the war in the east European nation.

At least 280 Russian armoured vehicles have been destroyed with the American Javelin missile, out of 300 shots fired, journalist Jack Murphy said in an article quoting a US Special Operations official.

That is a 93 per cent kill rate.

The Javelin, made jointly by Raytheon Missiles and Defence, and Lockheed Martin, follow a flight path that hits targets from the top, where the armour is relatively weaker. Almost every tank armour is thicker on the sides, but the top is known to be weaker, and that is where the Javelin missile strikes.

The Javelin can also be fired in a straight flight path mode, if needed.

"The first shipment of Javelins arrived (in Ukraine) in 2018, the weapons systems along with a training and sustainment block (called the Total Package Approach) totalling somewhere around $75 million," Mr Murphy wrote in the article.

butedf9o

A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes

"As the Russians learned that Ukraine now had Javelins, their T-72 tanks in Donbas became less aggressive, and pulled further back from the frontlines," he said, quoting the US military official.

A single soldier can carry and operate the Javelin, though more hands would be needed to carry extra launch tubes.

When Russian armoured columns entered urban areas in Ukraine, their tanks became more vulnerable to Javelin hits if they didn't have infantry support. Ukrainian forces equipped with Javelins would hide and move quicker, as they didn't have a chance in a direct tank-versus-tank fight on open ground because of the sheer numbers the Russians have.

"However, the numbers of tanks killed by Ukrainian soldiers, with the Javelin or other anti-tank weapons, are difficult to take seriously. Mostly appearing on social media, these numbers are likely to be exaggerated by the Ukrainians and downplayed by the Russians. The usual fog of war makes it even more difficult to ascertain accurate numbers," Mr Murphy wrote.

Three days after the Russian invasion started in Ukraine, US President Joe Biden had instructed the US State Department to release up to an additional $350 million worth of weapons from US stocks to Ukraine, which had been asking for the anti-tank Javelin and anti-aircraft Stinger missile

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-belarus-morgue-soldiers/31750455.html

Bodies of Russian Soldiers Filling Up Belarusian Morgues, Residents Say

March 13, 2022 04:56 GMT

Destroyed Russian tanks are seen amid Russia's invasion of Ukraine in the Sumy region on March 7.

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1 minute ago, notsonice said:

is Putin afraid to have his own dead soldiers sent directly back to Russia????? why would he keep them in Belarussia????

The article states that they do go back to Russia and that doctors are warned against talking about the numbers or they will be fired. The Russian people will find out on the grapevine.

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The article states that they do go back to Russia and that doctors are warned against talking about the numbers or they will be fired. The Russian people will find out on the grapevine.

So the guys who are wounded????? they cannot talk??? You can bet when they make it back to Russia they will talk. I do not remember during Vietnam anyone praising Johnson or Nixon on their great successes in  Vietnam. I do not remember any of the vets praising either of them. Putin will not escape, his own people will turn on him en masse in 6 months. Who will lead Russia in 2023?????

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Uncanny predictions of Ukraine's war from April 2021 by former Russian MP Nevzorov

he seems like a time traveler. I guess knowledge of the condition of the Russian military must have been known inside of Russia. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deFB3UCJCcE

 

 

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Russia already asking for military equipment from its future coloniser, China:

I imagine Russia's defense industry is going to get screwed for a long time. 

 

 

US officials say Russia has asked China for military help in Ukraine


Russia has asked China for military equipment to support its invasion of Ukraine, according to US officials, sparking concern in the White House that Beijing may undermine western efforts to help Ukrainian forces defend their country.

US officials told the Financial Times that Russia had requested military equipment and other assistance since the start of the invasion.

They declined to give details of what Russia had requested. Another person familiar with the situation said the US was preparing to warn its allies, amid some indications that China may be preparing to help Russia. Other US officials have said there were signs that Russia was running out of some kinds of weaponry as the war in Ukraine extends into its third week.


The revelation comes as Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, heads to Rome for talks on Monday with Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign policy official.

Before leaving Washington on Sunday, Sullivan warned China not to try to “bail out” Russia by helping Moscow to circumvent the sanctions that the US and its allies have imposed on President Vladimir Putin and his regime.


“We will ensure that neither China, nor anyone else, can compensate Russia for these losses,” Sullivan told NBC television on Sunday.

“In terms of the specific means of doing that, again, I’m not going to lay all of that out in public, but we will communicate that privately to China, as we have already done and will continue to do.”

The request for equipment and other kinds of unspecified military assistance was made as the Russian military struggles to make as much progress in Ukraine as western intelligence believe they expected. It also raises fresh questions over the China-Russia relationship, which has grown stronger as both countries express their opposition to the US over everything from Nato to sanctions.

https://www.ft.com/content/30850470-8c8c-4b53-aa39-01497064a7b7#comments-anchor

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On 3/6/2022 at 12:20 AM, Piotr Berman said:

Putin today, Trump tomorrow. <-- Boat

Republicans will claim that Biden and Democrats lost Afghanistan and Ukraine, "he is weak, very weak" was used already, and that they wrecked income of American households with high inflation, again, such ads were used but now they will be convincing.  Probably Republican House and Senate by the end of this year.

Two years later, potentially electable Democrats will have no chance in money primary and the media, so Trump, older than even less coherent than before, will win (Americans seem to love incoherent babble, if a candidate is less of a brainiac that he has to have big heart, unwavering resolve and all such).  Then Russia will loose the advantage of having one-party government.  I am not sure if this is an advantage, but Russia will loose it.

 

 

 

Trump withholding weapons for Ukraine unless they provided dirt on Biden’s boy gave Biden a pass. Just about everybody in the world wants to support Ukraine. Trump lost on this deal. He’s a Putin lover. He also tried to stage a coup in the US. Thank god he’s incompetent. I think your reading of US politics is rather weak. In the South they would say…..take that stump water outta here. 

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

So the guys who are wounded????? they cannot talk??? You can bet when they make it back to Russia they will talk. I do not remember during Vietnam anyone praising Johnson or Nixon on their great successes in  Vietnam. I do not remember any of the vets praising either of them. Putin will not escape, his own people will turn on him en masse in 6 months. Who will lead Russia in 2023?????

Unless Putin is deposed or killed he will hang on or maybe shoot himself like Hitler. I think he will survive as second fiddle to Xi and Russia as second fiddle to China. 

We need to weaken China until thy give up their drive for hegenomy. We also need to make sure that India breaks off from Russia. They are in a long term alliance with Russia for buying ther weaponry. We can weaken China by exposing what our elites have been doing to benefit from China and using it openly to negotiate with China. Unfortunately Biden will still be there for the term because Kamala is hopeless.  

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7 hours ago, Boat said:

Trump withholding weapons for Ukraine unless they provided dirt on Biden’s boy gave Biden a pass. Just about everybody in the world wants to support Ukraine. Trump lost on this deal. He’s a Putin lover. He also tried to stage a coup in the US. Thank god he’s incompetent. I think your reading of US politics is rather weak. In the South they would say…..take that stump water outta here. 

Ukraine would never have been attacked if Trump was in office. He sent plenty of weapons and trainers to Ukraine. They are just being resupplied now. 

The biggest problem now is the Democrats are "spending money like drunken sailors." We must stop the new omnibus bill. We are on the verge of a big drop in the dollar and having the dollar lose its dominance as the worlds currency. RINO Republicans are going along with it because of their crony capitalist supporters. Good conservative Republicans are trying to primary the incumbent RINOS. We are working against the elite masters so it is a very hard slog. Please consider what our economy is worth to you if the dollar fails. 

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1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said:

Ukraine would never have been attacked if Trump was in office. He sent plenty of weapons and trainers to Ukraine. They are just being resupplied now. 

The biggest problem now is the Democrats are "spending money like drunken sailors." We must stop the new omnibus bill. We are on the verge of a big drop in the dollar and having the dollar lose its dominance as the worlds currency. RINO Republicans are going along with it because of their crony capitalist supporters. Good conservative Republicans are trying to primary the incumbent RINOS. We are working against the elite masters so it is a very hard slog. Please consider what our economy is worth to you if the dollar fails. 

https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/weapons-sales
 

See the Trump effect? Trumps just a liar and Trump nation won’t google to check. Kinda weird EH?

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6 minutes ago, Boat said:

https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/weapons-sales
 

See the Trump effect? Trumps just a liar and Trump nation won’t google to check. Kinda weird EH?

You are either hopelessly uninformed or totally prejudiced against conservatism. 

I am looking forward to November!

October 2021 CPI: Inflation Rose at Fastest Rate Since 1990 - The New York  Times

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You are either hopelessly uninformed or totally prejudiced against conservatism. 

I am looking forward to November!

October 2021 CPI: Inflation Rose at Fastest Rate Since 1990 - The New York  Times

You just continually mistake facts and get proven otherwise. I am anti immigration, I am anti surgery and drugs for trans gender kids. I am pro oil and nat gas for US consumption. I would cut the military by 400 billion and collect missing tax recites for 400 billion to work on our 30 trillion debt that used to be the #1 conservative issue. It’s your party that changed. Those original Republican issues still need solved. Your group has no interest. Oh yea, I am pro gun for hunting and target shooting. No need for automatic guns and clips bigger than 3. But yea, hunting is great. Many memories as a young man hunting pheasant, quail, duck, squirrel, duck and rabbit. I took up golf and dumped that sport. I’m not anti war. I’m just anti killing ground troops and dumping hundreds of billion in obsolete weapon systems. What would musk do with 200 billion and the job of hypersonic missiles and drones. It wouldn’t be a Putin type war. Would it. I could go on. But yea I don’t like the direction of 1940’s leadership. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Boat said:

You just continually mistake facts and get proven otherwise. I am anti immigration, I am anti surgery and drugs for trans gender kids. I am pro oil and nat gas for US consumption. I would cut the military by 400 billion and collect missing tax recites for 400 billion to work on our 30 trillion debt that used to be the #1 conservative issue. It’s your party that changed. Those original Republican issues still need solved. Your group has no interest. 
 

 

What  do you think will happen in November? We are working hard to dump the RINOS.. They work in league with the crony capitalists, and other elites. it will take more than one election to gain full control but people are waking up. No hope for the socialist Demoncrat party aside from Joe Manchin, Kristen Sinema, and Tulsi Gabbard. No guts, no glory.

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