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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Ukraine war: Pregnant woman pictured being evacuated from bombed Mariupol hospital dies with baby

A pregnant woman is rushed to an ambulance in Mariupol

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-pregnant-woman-pictured-being-evacuated-from-bombed-mariupol-hospital-dies-with-baby-12565815

What a bunch of BS. Even the Ukrainians did not claim that. She was officially rescued and gave birth to a baby girl.

The hospital has not been operational for a month, really. The pregnant woman is some beauty blogger on Instagram, who was cast for the shot.

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4 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

What  do you think will happen in November? We are working hard to dump the RINOS.. They work in league with the crony capitalists, and other elites. it will take more than one election to gain full control but people are waking up. No hope for the socialist Demoncrat party aside from Joe Manchin, Kristen Sinema, and Tulsi Gabbard. No guts, no glory.

High oil prices are because of crony capitalists. Hell were energy independent. The US this moment is acting like a Putin would and rake in money at the expense of the worlds poor and middle class. You want a guy that won’t even pay his taxes. You want a guy who disses military vets. 

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

What a bunch of BS. Even the Ukrainians did not claim that. She was officially rescued and gave birth to a baby girl.

The hospital has not been operational for a month, really. The pregnant woman is some beauty blogger on Instagram, who was cast for the shot.

It's a different woman. Not the beauty blogger.

Here is the AP's video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NC-QOhhv4

The hospital was well behind the front line. 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-maternity-hospital-pregnant-woman-dead-c0f2f859296f9f02be24fc9edfca1085

The woman was taken to another hospital, closer to the front line, where doctors tried to save her. Realizing she was losing her baby, medics said, she had cried out to them, “Kill me now!”

Dr. Timur Marin said Saturday that the woman’s pelvis had been crushed and her hip detached. Her baby was delivered via cesarean section but showed “no signs of life,” he said.

They tried to save the woman, and “more than 30 minutes of resuscitation of the mother didn’t produce results,” Marin said. “Both died.”

 

 

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

It's a different woman. Not the beauty blogger.

Here is the AP's video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NC-QOhhv4

The hospital was well behind the front line. 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-maternity-hospital-pregnant-woman-dead-c0f2f859296f9f02be24fc9edfca1085

The woman was taken to another hospital, closer to the front line, where doctors tried to save her. Realizing she was losing her baby, medics said, she had cried out to them, “Kill me now!”

Dr. Timur Marin said Saturday that the woman’s pelvis had been crushed and her hip detached. Her baby was delivered via cesarean section but showed “no signs of life,” he said.

They tried to save the woman, and “more than 30 minutes of resuscitation of the mother didn’t produce results,” Marin said. “Both died.”

 

 

There are no operational hospitals, kindergartens or schools left in Mariupol. They all have been repurposed as military strong points by the Ukrainians. They do it a lot. This particular one by 36th Naval Infantry brigade.

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

What a bunch of BS. Even the Ukrainians did not claim that. She was officially rescued and gave birth to a baby girl.

The hospital has not been operational for a month, really. The pregnant woman is some beauty blogger on Instagram, who was cast for the shot.

Have you been blaming others for your own failures and living  in denial about the truth your entire life???? your posts sure do support my question......

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25 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

There are no operational hospitals, kindergartens or schools left in Mariupol. They all have been repurposed as military strong points by the Ukrainians. They do it a lot. This particular one by 36th Naval Infantry brigade.

How was this pregnant woman's pelvis and hip destroyed then?

She was most likely a Russian speaker as well.

I can't believe destroying these Russian speaking border towns is going to help Russia actually keep any sort of territory after the war without a rampant insurgency. 

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6 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Have you been blaming others for your own failures and living  in denial about the truth your entire life???? your posts sure do support my question......

This is confirmed by the locals posting on Telegram. You are forgetting that they are all Russian speakers and some do root for the Russian side.

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Russian ‘stop the war’ protester disrupts state TV news

Channel One editor risks imprisonment to appear live on air with ‘Don’t believe propaganda’ message
 

A state television employee burst on to Russia’s main state television evening news broadcast on Monday to protest against Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the most public sign yet of simmering domestic discontent over the three-week war.
 
Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One, appeared for a few seconds live on air holding a sign that said “Stop the war — Don’t believe propaganda — They’re lying to you” and chanting “Stop the war! No to war!”
 
Though the channel cut the feed after a few seconds, Ovsyannikova’s unprecedented intervention was an extraordinary act of defiance after Russia ramped up already draconian censorship laws when the war began in late February.
 
Police detained Ovsyannikova under a new law that criminalises acts such as “discrediting the Russian armed forces” and spreading “fake news” of the conflict, said Pavel Chikov, whose Agora legal defence foundation is representing Ovsyannikova.
 
She released a statement:

What's happening in Ukraine right now is a crime, and Russia is the aggressor state. The responsibility for this aggression lies on the conscience of a single person, and that person is Vladimir Putin.

My father is Ukrainian, my mother is Russian. They were never enemies. This necklace I'm wearing symbolizes that Russia should immediately stop this fratricidal war, and our brotherly nations will be able to make peace with each other.

Unfortunately for the past years I've been working on Channel 1, spreading Kremlin's propaganda, and I am now terribly ashamed of myself for that. I'm ashamed for allowing myself to speak the lies from the screens of TVs. Ashamed for letting Russian people get zombified.

We stayed silent in 2014, when it all began. We did not go out to protest when Kremlin poisoned Navalny. We just quietly observed this inhumane regime. And now the entire world has turned away from us, and ten generations of our descendants won't be able to wash away the shame of this fratricidal war.

We, the Russian people, are a thinking, smart nation. Only we can stop this madness. Go out and protest. They can't imprison us all.

 
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1 minute ago, surrept33 said:

How was this pregnant woman's pelvis and hip destroyed then?

She was most likely a Russian speaker as well.

I can't believe destroying these Russian speaking border towns is going to help Russia actually keep any sort of territory after the war without a rampant insurgency. 

No reason to believe her pelvis really was destroyed, because the pregnant women were specifically brought back for the promo shot. Not reason to believe any war propaganda coming out of Ukraine, as a matter of fact.

Yes, most locals in Mariupol only speak Russian. The second-most common language in town is actually Greek, not Ukrainian.

The expected outcome is that Mariupol, being part of Donetsk Oblast', becomes a part of the DPR. There was already a "rampant insurgency" there in 2014, only of the pro-Russian variety. The Azov drowned it in blood. Ran over unarmored protesters with armored vehicles, summarily executed all the local police who turned to the DPR.

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4 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Russian ‘stop the war’ protester disrupts state TV news

Channel One editor risks imprisonment to appear live on air with ‘Don’t believe propaganda’ message
 

A state television employee burst on to Russia’s main state television evening news broadcast on Monday to protest against Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the most public sign yet of simmering domestic discontent over the three-week war.
 
Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One, appeared for a few seconds live on air holding a sign that said “Stop the war — Don’t believe propaganda — They’re lying to you” and chanting “Stop the war! No to war!”
 
Though the channel cut the feed after a few seconds, Ovsyannikova’s unprecedented intervention was an extraordinary act of defiance after Russia ramped up already draconian censorship laws when the war began in late February.
 
Police detained Ovsyannikova under a new law that criminalises acts such as “discrediting the Russian armed forces” and spreading “fake news” of the conflict, said Pavel Chikov, whose Agora legal defence foundation is representing Ovsyannikova.
 
She released a statement:

What's happening in Ukraine right now is a crime, and Russia is the aggressor state. The responsibility for this aggression lies on the conscience of a single person, and that person is Vladimir Putin.

My father is Ukrainian, my mother is Russian. They were never enemies. This necklace I'm wearing symbolizes that Russia should immediately stop this fratricidal war, and our brotherly nations will be able to make peace with each other.

Unfortunately for the past years I've been working on Channel 1, spreading Kremlin's propaganda, and I am now terribly ashamed of myself for that. I'm ashamed for allowing myself to speak the lies from the screens of TVs. Ashamed for letting Russian people get zombified.

We stayed silent in 2014, when it all began. We did not go out to protest when Kremlin poisoned Navalny. We just quietly observed this inhumane regime. And now the entire world has turned away from us, and ten generations of our descendants won't be able to wash away the shame of this fratricidal war.

We, the Russian people, are a thinking, smart nation. Only we can stop this madness. Go out and protest. They can't imprison us all.

 

This is specifically the case that actually gets you max 15 years under the new war propaganda law they just passed. (Abuse of professional position clause) We'll see. Anybody advertising for Ukraine has got off with a fine thus far.

Those who stayed silent in 2014 are the phoney peaceniks. I did not. Called for removal of Ukronazi scourge ever since. The Kremlin did not poison Navalny, because nobody did. All a stunt staged for the camera. (not sure if you want to discuss this, as it is an insult to anybody's intelligence) We, the Russian people, are indeed a thinking people. You cannot silence us all.

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5 hours ago, Boat said:

You just continually mistake facts and get proven otherwise. I am anti immigration, I am anti surgery and drugs for trans gender kids. I am pro oil and nat gas for US consumption. I would cut the military by 400 billion and collect missing tax recites for 400 billion to work on our 30 trillion debt that used to be the #1 conservative issue. It’s your party that changed. Those original Republican issues still need solved. Your group has no interest. Oh yea, I am pro gun for hunting and target shooting. No need for automatic guns and clips bigger than 3. But yea, hunting is great. Many memories as a young man hunting pheasant, quail, duck, squirrel, duck and rabbit. I took up golf and dumped that sport. I’m not anti war. I’m just anti killing ground troops and dumping hundreds of billion in obsolete weapon systems. What would musk do with 200 billion and the job of hypersonic missiles and drones. It wouldn’t be a Putin type war. Would it. I could go on. But yea I don’t like the direction of 1940’s leadership. 
 

 

Boat, you just do not learn from reality. You are still not in favor of citizens having rifles capable of being able to have a large magazine. Governments have a huge advantage over civilians in every situation. Americans are like Ukrainians except that only 40% of Democrats say they would fight for their country. America has a contstitution that enshrines the right to BEAR ARMS. That does not mean keep them in their closet. Ukrainians have an abundance of weapons because they made tremendous numbers of them themselves. Otherwise they would not have ever been able to hold out until the recent aggressive war. Every free country should learn from that fact. Authoritarianism is a very real threat in most countries. 

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as of 3/14 Russia has lost - 1292 major pieces of equipment an increase of 58 pieces, including 10 more tanks which Ukraine captured,  in the last 20 hours.... Nice to see Putin is supplying Ukraine with tanks.....

 

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 Oryx  Thursday, February 24, 2022  Bayraktar TB2 , DNR  381 Comments
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By Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky
  
A detailed list of the destroyed and captured vehicles and equipment of both sides can be seen below. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.
 
This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Small arms, munitions, civilian vehicles, trailers and derelict equipment (including aircraft) are not included in this list. All possible effort has gone into discerning the status of equipment between captured or abandoned. Many of the entries listed as 'abandoned' will likely end up captured or destroyed. Similarly, some of the captured equipment might be destroyed if it can't be recovered. ATGMs and MANPADS are included in the list but not included in the ultimate count. The Soviet flag is used when the equipment in question was produced prior to 1991.
 
(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)

 

Russia - 1292, of which: destroyed: 550, damaged: 19, abandoned: 203, captured: 520

 

 

 

Tanks (214, of which destroyed: 76, damaged: 3, abandoned: 39, captured: 96)

 
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38 minutes ago, notsonice said:

as of 3/14 Russia has lost - 1292 major pieces of equipment an increase of 58 pieces, including 10 more tanks which Ukraine captured,  in the last 20 hours.... Nice to see Putin is supplying Ukraine with tanks.....

 

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 Oryx  Thursday, February 24, 2022  Bayraktar TB2 , DNR  381 Comments
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By Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky
  
A detailed list of the destroyed and captured vehicles and equipment of both sides can be seen below. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.
 
This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here. Small arms, munitions, civilian vehicles, trailers and derelict equipment (including aircraft) are not included in this list. All possible effort has gone into discerning the status of equipment between captured or abandoned. Many of the entries listed as 'abandoned' will likely end up captured or destroyed. Similarly, some of the captured equipment might be destroyed if it can't be recovered. ATGMs and MANPADS are included in the list but not included in the ultimate count. The Soviet flag is used when the equipment in question was produced prior to 1991.
 
(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)

 

Russia - 1292, of which: destroyed: 550, damaged: 19, abandoned: 203, captured: 520

 

 

 

Tanks (214, of which destroyed: 76, damaged: 3, abandoned: 39, captured: 96)

 

For fuck's sake, get yourself some proper sitrep analytics already?

https://intellinews.com/comment-eastern-ukraine-is-close-to-falling-but-putin-now-needs-a-peace-fast-237784/?source=ukraine

It even uses the same primary source you do for data on Russian losses (it is not good for Ukrainian ones)

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

For fuck's sake, get yourself some proper sitrep analytics already?

https://intellinews.com/comment-eastern-ukraine-is-close-to-falling-but-putin-now-needs-a-peace-fast-237784/?source=ukraine

It even uses the same primary source you do for data on Russian losses (it is not good for Ukrainian ones)

you can not handle the truth.....Please head to your beloved  Russia for fuck's sake as Putin needs low IQ people to go fight and die for his ego

 

PS if you do not like what I am posting you can always put me on ignore....Like living in Russia where the truth has no place and Putin has put Truth on ignore.....No free press , just jail time for those who post the truth

What do you think tomorrows numbers will look like ???another 60 pieces of Putins army destroyed , abandoned (love the fact Russians just walk away from tanks) or captured (the new Russian flag is all white)

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8 minutes ago, notsonice said:

you can not handle the truth.....Please head to your beloved  Russia for fuck's sake as Putin needs low IQ people to go fight and die for his ego

 

PS if you do not like what I am posting you can always put me on ignore....Like living in Russia where the truth has no place and Putin has put Truth on ignore.....No free press , just jail time for those who post the truth

What do you think tomorrows numbers will look like ???another 60 pieces of Putins army destroyed , abandoned (love the fact Russians just walk away from tanks) or captured (the new Russian flag is all white)

Did you notice what I said? The report I gave you used the same source for Russian losses you did. Just interpreted it differently.

Tanks get abandoned when they break down or run out of fuel. Most get recovered by their own engineering guys, You simply have not the slightest concepts of the sheer numbers of armored vehicles and amount of firepower participating on both sides. (enough to utterly steamroll any NATO/Western ground force in the absence of air support) You are also not seeing much footage from the Russians, because Russian regulars do not carry their mobile phones and do not post to social media like Ukrainians do. All the Russian footage comes from officially embedded journalists / propagandists, old school style.

Here is an example of just one capture. It's an abounded Ukrainian base in Kherson region, which alone got more than 60 armored vehicles and tanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qBXyUjbxG4

Since a lot of those are older make than Russia's own, most end up with the DPR.

Russia temporarily introduced a war propaganda law. Under normal circumstances, are Russians significantly better informed than Westerners and there is a lot freer press. What truth? You wouldn't notice it if it bit you on the ass, so brainwashed you are. The best thing that could happen to you was RT America. Which is why they closed it. Is that freedom of press?

Who was given jail time for "posting the truth" in Russia? Examples, please. I could think of a few cases in the US for you. I am obviously privy to both your Russian news sources. Yours are 100% lies, only convincing enough for somebody with a memory capacity of a goldfish. Do remind me of a last war they did not lie to you about? How many repeats do you need to see the pattern?

My IQ is about as high as your college admission tests can measure, which I already mentioned. The Russian government is currently not accepting volunteers, which they do have aplenty.
 

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We will not give up, and we will not lose. We will fight till the end — at sea, in the air, we will continue fighting for our land whatever the cost. We will fight in the forests, in the fields, on the shores, in the streets."........

Power to the People of Ukraine.....We in the United States will make sure the Free Ukrainians  will receive  what it needs to defeat Putin and his horde of invading terrorists.....

We will never forget what horrors Putin has inflicted upon Ukraine.....Never

PS my dog has a higher IQ than you.  

 

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7 hours ago, notsonice said:

We will not give up, and we will not lose. We will fight till the end — at sea, in the air, we will continue fighting for our land whatever the cost. We will fight in the forests, in the fields, on the shores, in the streets."........

Power to the People of Ukraine.....We in the United States will make sure the Free Ukrainians  will receive  what it needs to defeat Putin and his horde of invading terrorists.....

We will never forget what horrors Putin has inflicted upon Ukraine.....Never

PS my dog has a higher IQ than you.  

 

Yawn.  Not ever will you dare to fight anybody capable of fighting back. Fighting Russians down to the last Ukrainian doesn't take much bravery. You are nothing but pathetic cowards who are nobody without your gizmos and huge GDPs. Those advantages do not last, because in the end, you also need some amount of spine to show up to a fight yourself.

Do you have a Border Collie? So far, all the dogs they found who are smarter than humans are that breed only. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaser_(dog)

You need entirely different tests for subjects beyond 180 IQ, anyway.

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13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

What a bunch of BS. Even the Ukrainians did not claim that. She was officially rescued and gave birth to a baby girl.

The hospital has not been operational for a month, really. The pregnant woman is some beauty blogger on Instagram, who was cast for the shot.

Nope both dead Andrei!

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1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

Nope both dead Andrei!

Nope, In general, not a single word coming out of your tabloids is ever true. Which part of "no operating hospitals in Mariupol" did you not understand? No electricity, no running water. The best thing any civilian could do is to get out. Which they can, starting yesterday.

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21 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Nope, In general, not a single word coming out of your tabloids is ever true. Which part of "no operating hospitals in Mariupol" did you not understand? No electricity, no running water. The best thing any civilian could do is to get out. Which they can, starting yesterday.

Andrei why do you bury your head in the sand and continue spouting this KGB drivel.

Every news agency you can google on this has reported the same thing, even Al Jazeera!

Just accept Putin has committed a war crime!

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1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

Ukraine war: Editor interrupts Russian TV news show

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60744605

Andrei even your own news editors have had enough of the KGB lies and propoganda!!

What a truly brave woman she is!

Aha. She'll probably get a fine, emigrate to the West, and live off the hype alone for a few years.

Now, a Gedankenexperiment. Imagine somebody does the same on Ukrainian TV.? Will they ever come out of SBU torture chambers, you reckon?

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46 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Aha. She'll probably get a fine, emigrate to the West, and live off the hype alone for a few years.

Now, a Gedankenexperiment. Imagine somebody does the same on Ukrainian TV.? Will they ever come out of SBU torture chambers, you reckon?

I think you have that arse about face

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3 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Andrei why do you bury your head in the sand and continue spouting this KGB drivel.

Every news agency you can google on this has reported the same thing, even Al Jazeera!

Just accept Putin has committed a war crime!

Don't confuse the cause and effect there, Sherlock. Your Google results are the way they are because Google throws out anything else. Even DuckDuckGo piped up claiming to be filtering out "Russian disinformation"  now, which arguably makes their brand worthless.

"Putin" probably committed a bunch of war crimes, just not this one. Not that you had any right to a moral high ground. The way the Western powers conduct their warfare is one non-stop war crime. Russia looks much better in comparison. Let's see how long will they be able to hide that, shall we?

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Russian protester holds up sign saying ‘two words’ and is marched off by armed police seconds later

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-woman-protest-blank-sign-arrest-b2035270.html

This video actually shows one woman against the war in Ukraine and another who is pro the war, both get arrested within seconds of speaking.

Ahh it must be lovely to live in a country where you can openly speak your mind, oh wait......

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