Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN February 17, 2022 LONDON/MADRID, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Europe's liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals have limited available capacity to absorb extra supply from the United States or other major producers in the event of Russian gas disruption if it invades Ukraine. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/brimming-european-lng-terminals-have-limited-space-more-gas-2022-02-17/ February 17, 20228:19 AM CSTLast Updated an hour ago Brimming European LNG terminals have limited space for more gas By Marwa Rashad and Isla Binnie Storage tanks are seen at the Dragon Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facility at Waterston, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales, Britain, September 20, 2021. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden LONDON/MADRID, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Europe's liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals have limited available capacity to absorb extra supply from the United States or other major producers in the event of Russian gas disruption if it invades Ukraine. Mounting concerns that Russia, which provides around a third of Europe's gas, is preparing to invade Ukraine which could disrupt gas flows to Europe. Russia has repeatedly denied it is preparing to invade Ukraine. The U.S. administration has recently approached major energy producers such as Qatar and Japan and to see if they can send extra LNG to Europe. At least half of U.S. LNG shipped this month has gone to Europe, Refinitiv data shows, with Europe poised to remain the top destination for U.S. shipments for the third month in a row. read more Reuters Graphics LNG imports to the continent remain robust. After hitting a record high in January at more than 16 billion cubic metres (bcm), they are at 6.9 bcm so far in February. This means most of Europe's LNG terminals are operating at full capacity, especially in north-west Europe, which feed large economies like Germany, France and Britain, raising the question of how much more LNG can be processed. https://www.reuters.com/resizer/oCGOmVrTQ6JLiRFjzUguE60Kq-8=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/JLJXOBRAOVIB7COITF447TXQEU.png "A few cargoes could be squeezed into some other countries, but not significant supply," said Rystad Energy senior analyst Kaushal Ramesh, adding that logistical issues are likely to "burn a hole through buyers' pockets, again". Storage tanks are seen at the Dragon Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facility at Waterston, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales, Britain, September 20, 2021. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.com LONDON/MADRID, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Europe's liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals have limited available capacity to absorb extra supply from the United States or other major producers in the event of Russian gas disruption if it invades Ukraine. Mounting concerns that Russia, which provides around a third of Europe's gas, is preparing to invade Ukraine which could disrupt gas flows to Europe. Russia has repeatedly denied it is preparing to invade Ukraine. The U.S. administration has recently approached major energy producers such as Qatar and Japan and to see if they can send extra LNG to Europe. At least half of U.S. LNG shipped this month has gone to Europe, Refinitiv data shows, with Europe poised to remain the top destination for U.S. shipments for the third month in a row. read more Reuters Graphics LNG imports to the continent remain robust. After hitting a record high in January at more than 16 billion cubic metres (bcm), they are at 6.9 bcm so far in February. https://www.reuters.com/resizer/oCGOmVrTQ6JLiRFjzUguE60Kq-8=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/JLJXOBRAOVIB7COITF447TXQEU.png This means most of Europe's LNG terminals are operating at full capacity, especially in north-west Europe, which feed large economies like Germany, France and Britain, raising the question of how much more LNG can be processed. LNG needs to be regasified by transforming it from its freezing condition back to gas and then transported through pipes - either directly for burning or to generation plants to make electricity. Reuters Graphics Spain has the continent's biggest capacity, with six terminals, while Germany has none. The utilisation rate for the Spanish terminals was just 45% in January, according to data and analytics firm Kpler. "A few cargoes could be squeezed into some other countries, but not significant supply," said Rystad Energy senior analyst Kaushal Ramesh, adding that logistical issues are likely to "burn a hole through buyers' pockets, again". 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 17, 2022 Why is Germany not maximizing their LNG storage and regasification facilities?! They do not even show in the above graphs yet they are the most industrialized European nation with the most money! It is about time for them to step up and do their part for the security of the European Union energy against the Russian Bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, ronwagn said: Why is Germany not maximizing their LNG storage and regasification facilities?! They do not even show in the above graphs yet they are the most industrialized European nation with the most money! It is about time for them to step up and do their part for the security of the European Union energy against the Russian Bear. The EU is bankrolling a pipeline to Spain instead now, which makes a lot more sense than LNG terminals on the Baltic coast. That is, if you want the US LNG at all. "Security against the Russian Bear" is a typical example of American black-is-white rhetoric, because the "Russian Bear" is the best, most affordable source of gas and not the enemy. All they need to do is to stop abusing that bear instead. What Europe really need for enduring security is to kick Uncle Sam's vile interests out of this continent. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM February 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: Brimming European LNG terminals have limited space for more gas By Marwa Rashad and Isla Binnie Storage tanks are seen at the Dragon Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facility at Waterston, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales, Britain, September 20, 2021. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden I would not trust the article for accuracy on anything.....did you notice the problem with the photo of the facility??? The article has a photo of oil tanks...... and they call them LNG storage tanks . The tin cans shown in the photo would explode if loaded with LNG..... Obviously you know nothing about oil or nat gas Brimming European LNG terminals have limited space for more gas By Marwa Rashad and Isla Binnie Storage tanks are seen at the Dragon Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facility at Waterston, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales, Britain, September 20, 2021. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM February 18, 2022 this it what a LNG storage tank looks like at Dragon 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, notsonice said: I would not trust the article for accuracy on anything.....did you notice the problem with the photo of the facility??? The article has a photo of oil tanks...... and they call them LNG storage tanks . The tin cans shown in the photo would explode if loaded with LNG..... Obviously you know nothing about oil or nat gas Brimming European LNG terminals have limited space for more gas By Marwa Rashad and Isla Binnie Storage tanks are seen at the Dragon Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) facility at Waterston, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales, Britain, September 20, 2021. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden Natural gas tanks have many varieties. They are probably just natural gas tanks and not LNG tanks though. There used to be a natural gas tank right near to the city hall in Los Angeles. It was the second most visible item downtown. I could see it from my house. People who post pictures are not that accurate all the time. Big deal. Gas is gas whether LNG or regasified. I know a lot about LNG tanks and their many variations and history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Natural gas tanks have many varieties. They are probably just natural gas tanks and not LNG tanks though. There used to be a natural gas tank right near to the city hall in Los Angeles. It was the second most visible item downtown. I could see it from my house. People who post pictures are not that accurate all the time. Big deal. Gas is gas whether LNG or regasified. I know a lot about LNG tanks and their many variations and history. The big NG storage is Tyneside in the UK which is about 40 GJ of already regasified LNG and clears that much more space at the LNG terminals. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 18, 2022 (edited) Interesting pictures of newer natural gas tanks, mostly LNG. The older ones were sometimes ornate looking. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lng+storage+tanks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esreality.com%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2F2008%2F66995-DSC02037.jpg My favorite gasworks in old Los Angeles. http://americanfilmnoir.com/page21.html Film Noir Images http://americanfilmnoir.com/_wp_generated/wp08c4f583_05_06.jpg http://americanfilmnoir.com/_wp_generated/wp234581a8_05_06.jpg Edited February 18, 2022 by ronwagn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW February 18, 2022 Not surprised really - these continuous arrival of storms means Europe isn't using much gas. Yesterday 28% of Europes (inc UK) electricity needs were met by wind Also relatively mild weather it seems that Aeolus and Zephyrus are keeping the Putin gas price monster at bay for now! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starschy + 211 PM February 18, 2022 23 hours ago, ronwagn said: Why is Germany not maximizing their LNG storage and regasification facilities?! They do not even show in the above graphs yet they are the most industrialized European nation with the most money! It is about time for them to step up and do their part for the security of the European Union energy against the Russian Bear. There is not a single LNG Terminal in Germany. And they had Pipelines with Russia since around 1975. Discussion about LNG at least for a Dekade. For a Country like Germany you have to install 2 or 3 Terminals to be safe. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Starschy said: There is not a single LNG Terminal in Germany. And they had Pipelines with Russia since around 1975. Discussion about LNG at least for a Dekade. For a Country like Germany you have to install 2 or 3 Terminals to be safe. Yes, they have been very stupid in trusting Putin to play fair. They need to get their act together and prepare for the worst. They need to pay with Euros for their security rather than be blackmailed by Russia. Meanwhile they need to burn coal, advance renewables, and consider nuclear as well. Whatever makes sense. The Greens need to be overruled or voted out. They are the chief reason for this situation along with the cronies dealing with Nordstream 2 and Angela Merkel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 19, 2022 https://www.oilandgasiq.com/fpso-flng/news/german-lng-a-good-example German LNG: the Brunsbüttel example The German port town of Brunsbüttel saw major development in 2016 with the construction of a large LNG import terminal. Part of a scheme to phase out Germany’s reliance on nuclear energy to almost zero by 2022 (from 250 TWh), Vopak, which manages 300 facilities across the globe, in collaboration with Gasunie, operating in both Germany and the Netherlands, and Oiltanking, with 80 terminals worldwide, are operating a vast swathe of LNG infrastructure. “So far, permits have been granted, but we are doing everything for the first time, and the integrated concept of LNG brings a lot of questions from the regulatory side, and hopefully that will be completed within a year. We have a building permit, and an environmental permit – basically, the whole package.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak 23 per cent of the German market currently relies on renewable energy, with the same proportion dependent on nuclear energy. German LNG therefore has the potential for a huge share of the market in the next few years. Germany also depends on 836 TWh of energy produced from coal, so major shifts in energy make-up are needed. Location, location, location Brunsbüttel is the preferred location for an LNG terminal due to its proximity to a number of important features, including the port of Hamburg, its surrounding industrial zone, and the Kiel Canal – the busiest artificial waterway in the world, with 113 ships passing along it every day. There is also scope to promote LNG as a fuel for trucks, as Germany currently has three million diesel trucks in its road fleet. The local government both within the port of Brunsbüttel and the state of Schleswig-Holstein fully support these schemes, along with some tentative steps towards full rail linkages. “Our companies look at both small and large scale terminals, and what we saw was that building of infrastructure is always a barrier, especially for facilities working with smaller volumes. We want to build a concept that gets the best of both worlds, where other companies are able to bring larger volumes to north west Europe.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak The site has direct access to areas covered by both Gaspool and NCG, which are due to merge next year. The link to this low/high pressure gas grid allows access to the local industry in order to evacuate boil off. Vopak’s grand plans Speaking at the recent LNG Bunkering Summit in Amsterdam, Guus Vogels of Vopak described plans for a modular structure of LNG services, including the loading and unloading of LNG, storage, regasification, and distribution to trucks and barges – as well as small and medium vessels. Mr Vogels stressed that this would be a multiple-user terminal with open access under an independent terminal operator. “We don’t have any influence on the sourcing, we need to obey the law and get into the grid based on specs from our customers. We do have a ban on fracking LNG from the US in Germany, but if you look at the entire world LNG portfolio – LNG from the US is a small part of that, so therefore I think we shouldn’t exclude it from the terminal but it is still up to our customers to make that decision.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak There is also an expectation that the terminal will adhere to a configuration featuring two large 240,000 cubic metre tanks, a large-scale jetty for (you guessed it) larger vessels, as well as a dedicated smaller one. Two truck loading bays will also be complemented by two rail car loading bays, an exciting development given that only five such facilities exist at the start of 2019. “There was a restraint on jetties. If we wanted to facilitate larger vessels, we would need at least one large jetty – but if we built two, then the cost would be higher. It was a little bit of a choice looking at the space available, and the space allowed us to have a larger and a smaller jetty and on balance, we thought this was worth it.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak This layout is forecasted to handle around five billion cubic metres of LNG per year, with an option to scale up to seven over the next few years. The combined unloading rate of the jetties will be around 14,000 cubic metres per hour, and the loading rate is expected to exceed 2,500 m3 per hour. Again, there will be the opportunity for further expansion. [inlinead] The project began in 2018, and operations are expected to begin in mid-2022, with a final investment decision in 2020. Discussions are underway with companies wanting LNG from the terminal, and agreements with LNG suppliers have begun. For more on this topic, make sure to check out our upcoming LNG report. Comments You must Login or Subscribe to comment. 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El Gato + 254 Bs February 19, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 5:31 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: The EU is bankrolling a pipeline to Spain instead now, which makes a lot more sense than LNG terminals on the Baltic coast. That is, if you want the US LNG at all. "Security against the Russian Bear" is a typical example of American black-is-white rhetoric, because the "Russian Bear" is the best, most affordable source of gas and not the enemy. All they need to do is to stop abusing that bear instead. What Europe really need for enduring security is to kick Uncle Sam's vile interests out of this continent. We Bailed out Europe TWICE in the last century from warring factions, and due to the Amount of American blood spilt for the Europeans, have a vested interest in keeping it from becoming Embroiled in another conflict, and therefore will not leave Europe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW February 19, 2022 13 hours ago, ronwagn said: Yes, they have been very stupid in trusting Putin to play fair. They need to get their act together and prepare for the worst. They need to pay with Euros for their security rather than be blackmailed by Russia. Meanwhile they need to burn coal, advance renewables, and consider nuclear as well. Whatever makes sense. The Greens need to be overruled or voted out. They are the chief reason for this situation along with the cronies dealing with Nordstream 2 and Angela Merkel. Traditionally Germanys gas has come from pipeline supplies from Russia, Norway, The Netherlands and for a short period when the UK when it was a net Exporter. Germany didn't need LNG. I see from the link you posted they have one terminal now which is wise given the changing landscape and the fact UK and Dutch production has severely declined. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 19, 2022 Nick, you are right. Their traditional ways were fatally flawed when they went Green. They were too stupid to see the plain fact that they were going to be totally dependent on Russia for energy. They stopped nuclear, they stopped natural gas, they stopped coal, they promoted only "renewables" and bought into the "Green Dream." Their Green Party now holds the balance of power in a weak majority group. The obvious answer is to reverse course until they can assure reliable sources of power, whatever they may be. Green dreams may come true, some day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 17 hours ago, ronwagn said: Nick, you are right. Their traditional ways were fatally flawed when they went Green. They were too stupid to see the plain fact that they were going to be totally dependent on Russia for energy. They stopped nuclear, they stopped natural gas, they stopped coal, they promoted only "renewables" and bought into the "Green Dream." Their Green Party now holds the balance of power in a weak majority group. The obvious answer is to reverse course until they can assure reliable sources of power, whatever they may be. Green dreams may come true, some day. But it is all Russia's fault, of course! The European Greens are a spoiler for any genuine radical left-wing movement and really work in the interest of US. This is why you don't have any of those at home. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 2:45 AM, El Gato said: We Bailed out Europe TWICE in the last century from warring factions, and due to the Amount of American blood spilt for the Europeans, have a vested interest in keeping it from becoming Embroiled in another conflict, and therefore will not leave Europe. How much did you spill for Russia? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 February 20, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: How much did you spill for Russia? Russia partnered with Hitler to start the war and then we saved Russia's ass with all the weapons and supplies we sent. Our blood was spilt for all Europeans including Russia. How much blood did Russia spill for the US? The losers didn't attack Japan until we had already beaten them but oh how Stalin wanted us to open a second front in Europe to help the Russians out. Edited February 20, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 1:09 AM, ronwagn said: https://www.oilandgasiq.com/fpso-flng/news/german-lng-a-good-example German LNG: the Brunsbüttel example The German port town of Brunsbüttel saw major development in 2016 with the construction of a large LNG import terminal. Part of a scheme to phase out Germany’s reliance on nuclear energy to almost zero by 2022 (from 250 TWh), Vopak, which manages 300 facilities across the globe, in collaboration with Gasunie, operating in both Germany and the Netherlands, and Oiltanking, with 80 terminals worldwide, are operating a vast swathe of LNG infrastructure. “So far, permits have been granted, but we are doing everything for the first time, and the integrated concept of LNG brings a lot of questions from the regulatory side, and hopefully that will be completed within a year. We have a building permit, and an environmental permit – basically, the whole package.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak 23 per cent of the German market currently relies on renewable energy, with the same proportion dependent on nuclear energy. German LNG therefore has the potential for a huge share of the market in the next few years. Germany also depends on 836 TWh of energy produced from coal, so major shifts in energy make-up are needed. Location, location, location Brunsbüttel is the preferred location for an LNG terminal due to its proximity to a number of important features, including the port of Hamburg, its surrounding industrial zone, and the Kiel Canal – the busiest artificial waterway in the world, with 113 ships passing along it every day. There is also scope to promote LNG as a fuel for trucks, as Germany currently has three million diesel trucks in its road fleet. The local government both within the port of Brunsbüttel and the state of Schleswig-Holstein fully support these schemes, along with some tentative steps towards full rail linkages. “Our companies look at both small and large scale terminals, and what we saw was that building of infrastructure is always a barrier, especially for facilities working with smaller volumes. We want to build a concept that gets the best of both worlds, where other companies are able to bring larger volumes to north west Europe.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak The site has direct access to areas covered by both Gaspool and NCG, which are due to merge next year. The link to this low/high pressure gas grid allows access to the local industry in order to evacuate boil off. Vopak’s grand plans Speaking at the recent LNG Bunkering Summit in Amsterdam, Guus Vogels of Vopak described plans for a modular structure of LNG services, including the loading and unloading of LNG, storage, regasification, and distribution to trucks and barges – as well as small and medium vessels. Mr Vogels stressed that this would be a multiple-user terminal with open access under an independent terminal operator. “We don’t have any influence on the sourcing, we need to obey the law and get into the grid based on specs from our customers. We do have a ban on fracking LNG from the US in Germany, but if you look at the entire world LNG portfolio – LNG from the US is a small part of that, so therefore I think we shouldn’t exclude it from the terminal but it is still up to our customers to make that decision.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak There is also an expectation that the terminal will adhere to a configuration featuring two large 240,000 cubic metre tanks, a large-scale jetty for (you guessed it) larger vessels, as well as a dedicated smaller one. Two truck loading bays will also be complemented by two rail car loading bays, an exciting development given that only five such facilities exist at the start of 2019. “There was a restraint on jetties. If we wanted to facilitate larger vessels, we would need at least one large jetty – but if we built two, then the cost would be higher. It was a little bit of a choice looking at the space available, and the space allowed us to have a larger and a smaller jetty and on balance, we thought this was worth it.” Guus Vogels, Sales Manager, Vopak This layout is forecasted to handle around five billion cubic metres of LNG per year, with an option to scale up to seven over the next few years. The combined unloading rate of the jetties will be around 14,000 cubic metres per hour, and the loading rate is expected to exceed 2,500 m3 per hour. Again, there will be the opportunity for further expansion. [inlinead] The project began in 2018, and operations are expected to begin in mid-2022, with a final investment decision in 2020. Discussions are underway with companies wanting LNG from the terminal, and agreements with LNG suppliers have begun. For more on this topic, make sure to check out our upcoming LNG report. Comments You must Login or Subscribe to comment. More From LNG LNG Bunkering Global Report 2019 In our exclusive whitepaper, Oil & Gas IQ present the definitive report on the state of the LNG bunk... 2019-04-02 by Oil & Gas IQ Editor LNG bunkering: the Asian market outlook At the recent LNG Bunkering Summit in Amsterdam, over 150 oil and gas professionals with a stake in... 2019-02-13 by Oil & Gas IQ Editor A drive for new fuels According to Xavier Pfeuty, LNG Manager of Total’s Marine Fuel Global Solutions group, the oil giant... 2019-02-05 by Oil & Gas IQ Editor The fuck are they going to regasify. 5 bcm is what a regular sized FSRU o' 170,000m^3 can give. These are two barges o' 240,000 m^3m which is second only to Iraqi Q-Maxes o' 266,000. Or possibly are actually Q-Maxes with re-liquefaction plant beefed up? So, FSRU Independece (from the Russians, is Norwegian owned) gets replugged here from Klaipeda, and those guys get moving. Where to? To pick some genuine Norwegian LNG? https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/novatek-transships-lng-near-murmansk-while-super-icebreaker-arktika-completes-first-escort Next level beats is 360,000m^3. Them Arc7 tankers are expensive and small, makes sense t make them as little as they can. Not sure if those got any propulsion at all. https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/novatek-orders-worlds-largest-floating-lng-storage-unit-arctic The ship that actually satisfies all the local LNG bunkering needs is this https://www.manntek.se/cases/kairos/ it is only 6,500m^3 and already the largest of its kind. Numbers don't lie, Ron. The rotten US crime syndicate is not going to be able to compete with the Russian LNG either. I mean, compete is a wrong word. The longer I live in the West, the less hope I have to ever encounter the fabled free market competition we heard so much about back in the Commie days. Putin was way right about returning to our old ways. Now we need to make it bigger. 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Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 (edited) On 2/20/2022 at 9:50 AM, Jay McKinsey said: Russia partnered with Hitler to start the war and then we saved Russia's ass with all the weapons and supplies we sent. Our blood was spilt for all Europeans including Russia. How much blood did Russia spill for the US? The losers didn't attack Japan until we had already beaten them but oh how Stalin wanted us to open a second front in Europe to help the Russians out. Russia (as a part of so-called USSR) did not "partner with Hitler" It made a nonaggression pact with Hitler. This was the last one, when everybody else already had one. Bummer. Lend lease made out 11% of material used by USSR by value. Sure, a great help. USSR lost some 27 mln people in WWII. The D-Day was in 1944, when it was already clear, who won. That was kinda late for the Second Front, but I suppose it counts. B for effort. Stop saying Russia when you mean the USSR, please? USSR actually did not want to fight Japan at all. US and the British made Stalin commit to it. See the proceeding of Yalta and Potsdam conferences. This is because you had no slightest clue how to clear the Japanese Empire from the Asian mainland. On paper, it looked like another Germany. 6 million personnel, up to 10% of them air force. USSR with help of local Commies, cleared the space of the Japanese within days. All the way from Manchuria to the tip of Korea. The Japanese Kwantung Army surrendering was the largest sacking operation ever, over twice the size of Stalingrad. No American set his foot on the Asian part of the continent, except for a few Rangers embedded with the KMT. The day the Japanese surrender, the Soviet troops were on the Kurils in plain sight of Hokkaido. How did they get there without having any amphibious ships of their own? Edited February 23, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 11:35 PM, ronwagn said: Yes, they have been very stupid in trusting Putin to play fair. They need to get their act together and prepare for the worst. They need to pay with Euros for their security rather than be blackmailed by Russia. Meanwhile they need to burn coal, advance renewables, and consider nuclear as well. Whatever makes sense. The Greens need to be overruled or voted out. They are the chief reason for this situation along with the cronies dealing with Nordstream 2 and Angela Merkel. You've got the nerve to even mentioning playing fair? When did you ever do this? Before the Russians get to blackmail Germany, you better preventively blackmail them yourself, right? Nordstrom 2 is a great deal for everybody involved and no business of yours altogether. You are no party to it, so get lost? The largest threat to European security is Uncle Sam, followed by their own stupidity. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 20, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 1:20 PM, NickW said: Not surprised really - these continuous arrival of storms means Europe isn't using much gas. Yesterday 28% of Europes (inc UK) electricity needs were met by wind Also relatively mild weather it seems that Aeolus and Zephyrus are keeping the Putin gas price monster at bay for now! There is no "Putin gas price monster", but rather "speculative spot market price monster" You can get a significant discount if willing to commit to a long-term contract model everybody used before. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW February 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: There is no "Putin gas price monster", but rather "speculative spot market price monster" You can get a significant discount if willing to commit to a long-term contract model everybody used before. fair point. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 February 20, 2022 (edited) Don’t panic....... back to the past........ do what people did when there was no fossil fuel yet............. Spring is, afterall, here.......... p/s: anyone notices.................. battery might not be able to be charged if the temperature is too low......... Edited February 20, 2022 by specinho 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2022 Still cold some days, but "Spring is in the air." Northern Europeans have always survived it. Peat stoves are still around as well as pellet stoves and wood stoves. Maybe coal stoves too. I used to have a corn stove. Electric blankets are very efficient too. Run them with wind and solar, be a Greenie. 🤣 Remember to wear lots of layers and sleep with friends and pets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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