Jay McKinsey + 1,489 March 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Again, look at yourself? I am cheering for the side fighting the just war (though I would be advising against starting it, if anybody cared to ask me) If Russia is a rubble pile, what is Ukraine you are cheering for? You don't really buy into the story of it being a fluffy bunny, happily democratic nation who bad uncle Putin attacked out of the blue? You are too old for this. Those with no clue are not free. You believe into whatever you need to believe, the rest you don't even know. Your so-called democracy is a lynching mob of the moral majority faction. Should be obvious by now. Let's work on your plans of weapons contraband into Ukraine? It is more fun. Come on, you can do it. You can start by opening a fundraiser page. Lots of folks are doing the same already, as we speak. If it doesn't work out, you can just keep the cash. You honestly tried. Just war my ass! The world knows Russia has been invading and attacking the Ukrainians for 8 years now. Russia started it, not Ukraine who have just been defending themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 March 3, 2022 (edited) Fitch, Moody's slash Russia's sovereign rating to junk S&P lowered Russia's rating to junk status last week. Edited March 3, 2022 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 March 3, 2022 AM Best turns negative on Russian re/insurer ratings 2nd March 2022 - Author: Luke Gallin Ratings agency AM Best has placed under review with negative implications the Financial Strength Rating (FSR) and the Long-Term Issuer Credit Rating of a number of Russian insurance companies, driven by heightened geopolitical, economic and financial system risk in the country. As Western nations impose sanctions on Russia amid its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, which is now in day seven, AM Best has taken rating actions against insurers that are domiciled and write the majority of their business in the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: Just war my ass! The world knows Russia has been invading and attacking the Ukrainians for 8 years now. Russia started it, not Ukraine who have just been defending themselves. The world is bigger than wherever you live, Jay. Most of it does not know jack about any of this, and does not want to know. If Russia is such a wimpy-ass invader not capable of beating Ukraine in 8 years, how come it is suddenly making so much progress now? Some 80% of civilian casualties is one of the side of separatist. Who you call Russian invaders. Very much inline with official Ukrainian government party line. Not even any Western one. Now, care to provide a rational explanation for these inconsistencies, my ass? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, surrept33 said: They don't call this the Gerasimov doctrine for nothing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st March 4, 2022 (edited) Shit, this is scary: Quote Ukraine foreign affairs minister: Russian army is firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Fire has already broke out. If it blows up, it will be 10 times larger than Chornobyl! Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone! https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1499543775240196099 Quote Russian soldiers have breached the main building of the #Zaporizhzhia nuke plant in #Ukraine Active firefight is going on inside a facility that is already on fire and controls 6 reactors Firefighters unable to fight the fire because they are in the middle of a combat zone Like most nuke plants the one in #Ukraine under attack is built to withstand a direct hit from an airplane crash The problem is a loss of power or a shell draining the pools used to store spent fuel If that fuel isn’t cooled it can melt & release large amounts of radioactivity https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499543863974838279 Edited March 4, 2022 by surrept33 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: Fitch, Moody's slash Russia's sovereign rating to junk S&P lowered Russia's rating to junk status last week. What do you think this does to their own rating? Now that I see them cheer up after the glowing ratings they used to give to Enron and Anderson, then to Wall Street Banks in 2008. I'd say good riddance. Obviously now meaningful analytics behind the ratings, but an Imperial policy tools. Alternative Chinese ratings agencies are saying thanks for the boost. De facto, is Russia very much not junk. We already discussed de facto. Not that it matters much. Russia barely has any sovereign debt. I think they should stop paying interest and tell Uncle Sam to charge it to the expense account. (allegedly frozen Bank of Russia funds) That's not even a default, but who knows what. When there is no disincentive of getting a bad credit rating, because it is as bad as they come already, no matter what I do, and they keep impounding whatever stuff they find, no matter what I do, there is also no incentive to pay the debts. No point to keep paying the mortgage after your house is foreclosed, even if the lender claims you still owe them. Yet again, two arbitrary wrongs cancel each other. Won't get any repayments if there is no option to improve credit rating. Damn, Russia should've borrowed more. It's like, what, 6% of GDP right now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK March 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: A lot of these shots are propaganda junk. The lowest rung uses stock photos of Arabs being blown up. Most of the population can't tell the difference. If a building which was formerly a kindergarten is being used for an artillery position, it is a legitimate target. It is not OK to keep the children there. Russia is providing corridors for civilian population to escape. In many cases, the Nazi goons won't let them out. There is an obvious drive to increase amount of bloodshed. The authorities in Kiev are calling for total war and telling the citizens to make Molotov cocktails and attack Russian armor. Which will not work, but likely will get them killed. Some folks in Kharkov actually did set up a Grad MLRS system left unattended on fire. It blew up and took out the swanky apartment building they lived at. A young woman tried a dashing command raid using her car and ended up setting it on fire (the bottle bounced inwards) The more of such idiots die, the more glory to the heroes yadda yadda. Most of the bridges in Eastern Ukraine have been blown up, which is beyond stupid. All Russian armor short of full blown MBT is fully amphibious. Why would you conduct a total war against the Russians? Who, unlike the Nazis, have no goal of killing all Slavs and taking their stuff. All that Russia wants is a bit of a regime change. No occupational plans beyond Donbass. The art of being the hegemony involves skillfully sitting on all the chairs at once. Yes, there is reputation loss for abandoning alleged allies. Not the first time, pliant media will whitewash soon enough. On the other hand, much new weapon sales. None of the reasons Russia attacked Ukraine is really transferable to the EU. Have they been killing many Russians lately? Ukraine killed some 15,000 in Donbass and kept doing it. Plenty of pictures of leveled buildings and dead civilians from there. Which you've been happily ignoring for the last 8 years. They have already been focused on the green agenda, to the extent of shooting themselves in a foot. The condemnation is AstroTurf, propelled by media frenzy. This sort of thing does not last. There is always the next sensation just around the corner. Wars are common. USA + minions have done a lot worse. This is about something else. I believe this is about Putin and being a former KGB and watching everything he was programmed growing up and drinking The Kool-Aid is late in age and wants back the former USSR. With the pathetic response and weak ass Biden, he is willing to take the gamble to reunite the former USSR. He believes that he is unstoppable and is willing to take the world to the edge; Biden will blink, but the European Union countries will not; they see the real Threat Putin is and will act first, drawing in the United States. The United States has three entire aircraft carrier strike groups in the region, and that alone could end this. Putin may be willing to go nuclear, but his generals will not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said: I believe this is about Putin and being a former KGB and watching everything he was programmed growing up and drinking The Kool-Aid is late in age and wants back the former USSR. With the pathetic response and weak ass Biden, he is willing to take the gamble to reunite the former USSR. He believes that he is unstoppable and is willing to take the world to the edge; Biden will blink, but the European Union countries will not; they see the real Threat Putin is and will act first, drawing in the United States. The United States has three entire aircraft carrier strike groups in the region, and that alone could end this. Putin may be willing to go nuclear, but his generals will not. You say it like returning the USSR was a bad thing? We've been had bigtime. Unfortunately, it does not work that way. You cannot undo ground beef. So, a new Empire would have to be built. No evidence Putin believes in being unstoppable. He's not remotely as macho as your media makes him out to be. The Eurofags will do nothing. European security boils down to calling Uncle for help. If they were any serious about it, they should have worked on giving Uncle the boot and including Russia into the club. Because NATO is a solution looking for a problem. Should have dissolved itself after the Warsaw Pact or at least let Russia join, when it tried to apply. There is no "Putin" Russia has some legitimate security considerations, which you need to recognize. Any Russian leadership that is at least somewhat competent is bound to follow some of the same policy goals. Got a missile for every carrier of yours. Total of three. Don't have to be nuclear. Fortunately for you, you've got an excuse - the bridge over the Bosporus is 57m at the span. The barges are too large to enter the Straits. It would also violate Montreaux. The Turks have currently banned ALL warships from entered the Straits. Given how far the Med is, you might as well forget about the stupid carriers and use the airfields you've got on land. In Turkey, Italy, Romania, Greece. I don't get you. Why do you think the CVNs scare anyone? Iran got stuff to fend them off these days. They will go nuclear and WILL likely WIN. There is no MAD. Russia's got much better, newer nukes than you do. Ponder on this. USA CAN actually lose. So, you'll do absolutely nothing to protect your precious puppet regime. Any engagement that will as much as scratch Uncle Sam himself is not on the books. You don't have any contingency plans where you don't get something for nothing. One thing Putin cannot afford is a preemptive nuclear strike. The generals won't cooperate, and the people will revolt if he does it. You'll have to start it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, surrept33 said: Shit, this is scary: https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1499543775240196099 https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499543863974838279 Debunked by a real nuclear geek https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1499568842816692225 If anything real happens, IAEA will notify you. There are also video feeds and radiation meter feeds that you may watch if you got nothing better to do. From the looks of it, could be one of the Javelins you sent. But, the stuff they blew up is in an admin building is not somewhat offsite. The actual containment structures are built to handle a 9/11 event - crash of a fully fueled airliner. Get used to Ukraine's rather hapless attempts to create a pretext for direct involvement by NATO, This is all there was to their defense doctrine. They cannot wrap their minds around the fact that there very real reasons for NATO to be afraid. They've been led to believe that the mighty NATO with its superior GDP and military tech can kick stupid old Russia's ass with a left pinkie with eyes tied. Another observation that ought to be sobering to many. Notice how many Russians and Ukrainian alike don't seem to care too much about getting whacked? Those are the ones who believe to be fighting for the just cause. How stronk is your troops resolve to do same? I think I've got a suitable cause to defend for you https://notthebee.com/article/as-russia-wages-war-on-ukraine-the-us-army-is-training-its-personnel-on-gender-and-pronouns Edited March 4, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 15 hours ago, Boat said: Don’t ask me those questions. Ask those in the Ukraine. Ukraines world neighbors with power besides Russia are Germany, England, Spain, Italy etc. I’m not sure but from what little I have read there are large amounts of nat gas in the Ukraine. Let me refresh your memory. The US exited WWII as the Alpha dog and the worlds only Super power. The US made a concerted effort to include all nations in trading goods and sharing resources. As a result the population has blown up and billions live a better life style. Your boy Putin thinks it’s pre WWII and he can kill for land. The west won’t let that happen. We’ll, I don’t think that will happen. I feel badly for the Russian people and the Ukraine people who just want to give their kids an opportunity for a better life. Guys like Putin, N Korea, Iran, Syria, China etc have other agendas. Glad to see Europe get on board with these sanctions. Japan joined swift. We’ll get to see where every country comes down on unity fighting tyrants. If enough West countries band together and use trade as a leverage, we may just have that new world order. US has made a concerned effort to rip the rest of the world off. Most of the world hates you with abandon. Your new world order, the very, very old and is known as imperialism. It is dying. The US had every chance to usher in a new golden aged if, upon the breakdown of the USSR, it would've offered a fair deal to ex-member states. But no, more meddling, "regime changes" and ripping off. Instead of dissolving NATO right after Warsaw Pact, you quit all the arm control treaties and started to rearm and expand. What did you do that for? The USSR/Russia was already disarmed and at peace. You just wanted a more manageable enemy to harass, then USSR, which got kinda scary even for Uncle Sam? Tough luck! You haven't seen nothing yet now that Russia is back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,062 DM March 4, 2022 As his attack falters, Putin could become more brutal – and even more irrational Mathieu Boulègue Russia is starting to reassess its objectives. Expect a return to tactics seen previously in the likes of Chechnya and Syria ‘The situation is changing: mass fires and shelling are happening increasingly in Kharkiv and Kyiv.’ The aftermath of Russian shelling at the Karazin Kharkiv National University, Kharkiv, on Wednesday. Photograph: Sergey Bobok/AFP/Getty Images Wed 2 Mar 2022 08.54 EST Russian military operations against Ukraine are moving beyond the initial period in which the aim was creating quick superiority. Many observers have been surprised at Russia’s failure to achieve early gains and the defeats it has suffered. The heroism and resistance of Ukrainian forces have initially constrained Russia. Ukrainian command and control systems – the ability to communicate, move and fight – are still functioning. Ukraine’s air defence is still standing, thus denying Russia the superiority Moscow would have hoped to achieve quickly. Russian units have also made tactical-operational mistakes. Troops have so far failed to quickly take over urban centres, although many are now contested. Russia’s strategy was probably premised on the false assumption that Ukraine would crumble quickly and surrender. As a result, the preparation needed for a follow-up on-the-ground invasion has not happened. Instead, it seems Russian troops quickly disbanded into smaller units that did not execute orders properly. They are taking a lot of casualties and hardware losses. There are signs that Russian troops have low motivation to fight. Field commanders were likely not given the exact extent of their mission, limiting battlefield readiness – there is, indeed, a difference between “liberating” Donbas and conducting the siege of Kyiv. Untrained and inexperienced conscripts were also reportedly forced to sign contracts under duress to fight in Ukraine. International reaction against the war has been united and coherent. A fresh round of sanctions has caused the rouble to plummet. Several Russian banks have been cut off from the Swift payment system, and the Central Bank of Russia has been placed under sanctions. Military assistance from democratic nations is trickling in, with the European Union and even Germany stepping up to aid Ukraine with offensive weapons. The Kremlin is also hampered by what is happening in Russia itself. The fabricated narrative of a “defensive operation” against “fascists and Nazis” in Ukraine terrorising Donbas civilians feels increasingly contested. Meanwhile, Ukraine is excelling at counter-psychological ops by sending Russians videos of their captured soldiers pleading to stop the war – a tactic that could nevertheless backfire. In a few weeks, the impact of international sanctions might start having severe consequences for ordinary citizens. The “body bag count” might also start changing mentalities, especially among the families of deployed soldiers. Nevertheless, there are still enablers fuelling the Kremlin’s endgame: the uncompromising surrender of Ukraine, its complete demilitarisation, and the international recognition of occupied Crimea as Russian. Seizing more parts of Ukrainian territory – beyond Donbas and Crimea – will be used as a bargaining chip. This explains why Moscow is bent on taking Kyiv, quickly accomplishing regime change and dictating new political conditions through puppet proxies. All the more since Moscow would use the fall of the government to turn the Ukrainian armed forces into “terrorists”, further justifying violence to suppress any insurrection. So far we have witnessed Russian military “restraint”. Soldiers were ordered not to shoot civilians. Military operations have been focused on emptying stocks of precision-guided munitions, and not conducting carpet-bombing. However, the situation is changing: mass fires and shelling are happening increasingly in Kharkiv and Kyiv – and a column of heavy infantry units is now approaching the capital. Such strikes will drastically increase the number of civilian casualties. This is the start of Russia reassessing its tactical-operational objectives and returning to brutal tactics seen previously in the likes of Chechnya and Syria: indiscriminate, concentrated fire through ground artillery and tactical aviation. Many ground units and artillery support are being mobilised from across the borders with Ukraine and Belarus. As Russian forces try to capture towns and cities, the conflict will transform from movement warfare to urban and siege warfare – a worst-case scenario for both sides, as the conflict will drag on. The Kremlin is currently approaching the war through a “stop and go” logic. Namely a few days of intense fighting, followed by an initial offer for “diplomatic” talks – with no real intention of achieving anything. Failed discussions give yet another excuse for Moscow to go into unrestricted war; the chances of diplomacy look slim at this point. Vladimir Putin has embarked on dangerous signalling – by giving an order to put nuclear forces on “special combat duty”. Russia’s nuclear doctrine states that Moscow would consider a nuclear strike in the case of an “existential conventional military threat” – except it is hard to assess what that genuinely means. As the western response grows bolder, undeterred by Russian threats, irritation could lead to frustration. A hampered Kremlin could lead to a desperate Putin, especially as his options of off-ramps and face-saving close down, or if the pressure starts mounting in Russia itself. If blaming or reshuffling his military leaders or government does not work, this could lead to even more dangerous and irrational decisions being made by Putin. As democratic nations explore coercive measures against Moscow, they will need to manage escalation with an increasingly isolated Kremlin. It’s a path that could lead to miscalculation and tactical errors when engaging a country with its back against the wall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 13 hours ago, Eric Gagen said: Yes, there is always methane where there is coal. Not always an amount that makes economic sense as an energy source, but it's always there. This just in. https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1498661515360153605 Connects the biolabs, oil & gas and Ze's personal kickbacks from the oligarch. He joined the ranks, being worth some $1.2 bln if I get it right. Ditto for "our guy Yatz" , I think. , Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, notsonice said: As his attack falters, Putin could become more brutal – and even more irrational Mathieu Boulègue Russia is starting to reassess its objectives. Expect a return to tactics seen previously in the likes of Chechnya and Syria ‘The situation is changing: mass fires and shelling are happening increasingly in Kharkiv and Kyiv.’ The aftermath of Russian shelling at the Karazin Kharkiv National University, Kharkiv, on Wednesday. Photograph: Sergey Bobok/AFP/Getty Images Wed 2 Mar 2022 08.54 EST Russian military operations against Ukraine are moving beyond the initial period in which the aim was creating quick superiority. Many observers have been surprised at Russia’s failure to achieve early gains and the defeats it has suffered. The heroism and resistance of Ukrainian forces have initially constrained Russia. Ukrainian command and control systems – the ability to communicate, move and fight – are still functioning. Ukraine’s air defence is still standing, thus denying Russia the superiority Moscow would have hoped to achieve quickly. Russian units have also made tactical-operational mistakes. Troops have so far failed to quickly take over urban centres, although many are now contested. Russia’s strategy was probably premised on the false assumption that Ukraine would crumble quickly and surrender. As a result, the preparation needed for a follow-up on-the-ground invasion has not happened. Instead, it seems Russian troops quickly disbanded into smaller units that did not execute orders properly. They are taking a lot of casualties and hardware losses. There are signs that Russian troops have low motivation to fight. Field commanders were likely not given the exact extent of their mission, limiting battlefield readiness – there is, indeed, a difference between “liberating” Donbas and conducting the siege of Kyiv. Untrained and inexperienced conscripts were also reportedly forced to sign contracts under duress to fight in Ukraine. International reaction against the war has been united and coherent. A fresh round of sanctions has caused the rouble to plummet. Several Russian banks have been cut off from the Swift payment system, and the Central Bank of Russia has been placed under sanctions. Military assistance from democratic nations is trickling in, with the European Union and even Germany stepping up to aid Ukraine with offensive weapons. The Kremlin is also hampered by what is happening in Russia itself. The fabricated narrative of a “defensive operation” against “fascists and Nazis” in Ukraine terrorising Donbas civilians feels increasingly contested. Meanwhile, Ukraine is excelling at counter-psychological ops by sending Russians videos of their captured soldiers pleading to stop the war – a tactic that could nevertheless backfire. In a few weeks, the impact of international sanctions might start having severe consequences for ordinary citizens. The “body bag count” might also start changing mentalities, especially among the families of deployed soldiers. Nevertheless, there are still enablers fuelling the Kremlin’s endgame: the uncompromising surrender of Ukraine, its complete demilitarisation, and the international recognition of occupied Crimea as Russian. Seizing more parts of Ukrainian territory – beyond Donbas and Crimea – will be used as a bargaining chip. This explains why Moscow is bent on taking Kyiv, quickly accomplishing regime change and dictating new political conditions through puppet proxies. All the more since Moscow would use the fall of the government to turn the Ukrainian armed forces into “terrorists”, further justifying violence to suppress any insurrection. So far we have witnessed Russian military “restraint”. Soldiers were ordered not to shoot civilians. Military operations have been focused on emptying stocks of precision-guided munitions, and not conducting carpet-bombing. However, the situation is changing: mass fires and shelling are happening increasingly in Kharkiv and Kyiv – and a column of heavy infantry units is now approaching the capital. Such strikes will drastically increase the number of civilian casualties. This is the start of Russia reassessing its tactical-operational objectives and returning to brutal tactics seen previously in the likes of Chechnya and Syria: indiscriminate, concentrated fire through ground artillery and tactical aviation. Many ground units and artillery support are being mobilised from across the borders with Ukraine and Belarus. As Russian forces try to capture towns and cities, the conflict will transform from movement warfare to urban and siege warfare – a worst-case scenario for both sides, as the conflict will drag on. The Kremlin is currently approaching the war through a “stop and go” logic. Namely a few days of intense fighting, followed by an initial offer for “diplomatic” talks – with no real intention of achieving anything. Failed discussions give yet another excuse for Moscow to go into unrestricted war; the chances of diplomacy look slim at this point. Vladimir Putin has embarked on dangerous signalling – by giving an order to put nuclear forces on “special combat duty”. Russia’s nuclear doctrine states that Moscow would consider a nuclear strike in the case of an “existential conventional military threat” – except it is hard to assess what that genuinely means. As the western response grows bolder, undeterred by Russian threats, irritation could lead to frustration. A hampered Kremlin could lead to a desperate Putin, especially as his options of off-ramps and face-saving close down, or if the pressure starts mounting in Russia itself. If blaming or reshuffling his military leaders or government does not work, this could lead to even more dangerous and irrational decisions being made by Putin. As democratic nations explore coercive measures against Moscow, they will need to manage escalation with an increasingly isolated Kremlin. It’s a path that could lead to miscalculation and tactical errors when engaging a country with its back against the wall. This building was blown several days ago already. This is simply a new angle. The special combat duty corresponds to US DEFCON 3-4 (Russia only got 4 of them) So, 2nd-lowest, 1 notch up. It is quite clear what the existential conventional military threat is - an attack by NATO utilizing its significant numerical superiority, especially in aircraft. Incidentally, the NATO/US doctrine allows for nuclear first strike for no reason at all. There are no "democratic nations" vs Russia. "Zombie media puppets" vs "democratic Russia" more like. Which is very unfortunate. Democracy, aka rule of the lynching mob, is an awful curse irreconcilable with personal freedom. I really hate it when your fucking Newspeak forces an unsubstantiated belief that it is virtuous. They are even trying to squeeze it into the next revision of the Declaration of Human Rights. Like, what the fuck? Didn't they forget to ask me and everybody else about it? So it is at least pretend-democratic-light? I demand the right to reject democracy. I think most Russian would join me if I get to explain myself. There is already a pun about "democracy carriers" which could be taken as either the carriers of gunboat diplomacy or pathogens spreading an infectious disease. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,600 RP March 4, 2022 12 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Because there was never really a credible treat to UK's or US' home territory, not even during WWII. Are you crazy? The UK came very very close to being invaded by the Nazis Here read and learn https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-battle-of-britain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,600 RP March 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: The world is bigger than wherever you live, Jay. Most of it does not know jack about any of this, and does not want to know. If Russia is such a wimpy-ass invader not capable of beating Ukraine in 8 years, how come it is suddenly making so much progress now? Some 80% of civilian casualties is one of the side of separatist. Who you call Russian invaders. Very much inline with official Ukrainian government party line. Not even any Western one. Now, care to provide a rational explanation for these inconsistencies, my ass? I have yet to see any proof of genocide from Ukraine soldiers against the separatists in Donbass. However that doesnt mean atrocities didnt happen so I can have no view one way or the other. However what i dont understand if this current war was just about the Donbass region (which I dont believe) then why didnt Putin get on the phone to the EU and USA and say enough is enough, there have been war crimes going on in Donbass against ny people for 8 years and you do nothing, if you dont I will invade and the blood is on your hands? He may well have had those discussions we will probably never know, but this is about power and strength in the area and Putin's fear that Russia's might and power in the region will become significantly weaker unless he acts and acts in a warlike way. He has the vast majority of the Russian people on his side as most people the world over are sheeple and if they have the only MSM constantly telling them a distorted view then they will ultimately believe that, as would all country's people in my view. I believe Putin when he says he had no choice as its a choice of allowing Russia to become too weak against the West or to stand and fight back, he had to draw a line in the sand I guess. One thing is for sure nobody is winning this war. The world will be a poorer and more dangerous place for decades. Meanwhile China waits like a spider for the right time to strike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,600 RP March 4, 2022 5 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: The United States has three entire aircraft carrier strike groups in the region, and that alone could end this. Putin may be willing to go nuclear, but his generals will not. Do you think his generals will disobey Putin?? I don't as its their death sentence! Andrei is correct that Russia has far more advanced nuclear weapons and far more advanced missiles. That being said if anyone starts with nucs its pretty much game over for everyone as thats WWIII, which will last about an hour, maybe 2 at a push. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,600 RP March 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Should have dissolved itself after the Warsaw Pact or at least let Russia join, when it tried to apply. Yes spot on NATO should have let Russia in and we wouldnt have all this shit now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Rob Plant said: Are you crazy? The UK came very very close to being invaded by the Nazis Here read and learn https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-battle-of-britain Self-aggrandizement typical of "softpower superpower" Which means no hard power whatsoever, but massive propaganda assets. Let's look better at the Battle of Britain Exhibit A: Most credible treat. Officially designated location which suffered the most and was supposedly bombed into rubble. Which is the likely reason it is now twinned with cities of Dresden, Volgograd (then Stalingrad) and Saraevo. All significantly larger and more important. Number of casualties inflicted? 554-568! That's it? The totally devastating carpet bombing that Churchill could have prevented, but did not, because yadda yadda Exhibit B: Amount of damage inflicted back Casualty figures vary a lot? How many people day if you turn literally the entire city but parts of the cathedral into rubble? This is what happened to Dresden and Leipzig, cities with populations into millions? Wiki lowball official is 25,000 each, which I find hard to believe. The high ball estimate is Soviet and says 250,000 for Dresden. Let's take 100,000 for Dresden and 100,000 for the rest, 200,000 total. Fair enough? Lets look how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Bomber_Command did. Attrition rate of 44,4%, over 55,000 dead aircrews. Bwahaha. 1:4 heavy bombers vs. innocent civilians on the ground. I can kill more Germans with a lawnmower! You are welcome to compare the results with the Yankees, whose attrition rate is negligible in comparison. You all flew the same routes and identical Yankees aircraft. If The Devil disapproves. If you want to be evil, you've got to be competent at it. The side of evil is always the more attractive one and gets many more willing recruits. Highly selective. No space for you in heck, only in a trashcan. Note that the Soviets categorically refused to participate in any "strategic bombing" campaigns. Which is an euphemism for indiscriminately bombing the population centers, while sparing valuable industrial assets. Here is USSR's official position. Uncle Joe's Order of the Day #55 https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1942/02/23.htm I quote, The foreign Press sometimes carries such twaddle as that the Red Army pursues the aim of exterminating the German people and destroying the German state. This, of course, is a stupid lie, and a senseless slander against the Red Army. The Red Army has not and cannot have such idiotic aims. The Red Army’s aim is to drive the German occupants from our country and liberate Soviet soil from the German-fascist invaders. It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet soil will lead to the exile or destruction of Hitler’s clique. We would welcome such an outcome. But it would be ludicrous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history indicates that Hitlers come and go, but the German people and the German state remain. Of course, the busybodies of the foreign, especially the British, have been busy rewriting the history of WWII ever since. Now it us who somehow committed the worst atrocities to German civilians? Even if we give any credence to the bullshit claim that the Soviets raped everything female that still moved, it is still not as bad as killing similarly many German women using aircraft. Yankee propagandist corpse are not even remotely as vicious. WWII was won due to their lendlease! (Actually true to an extent of whopping 11%, IMHO) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,600 RP March 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Self-aggrandizement typical of "softpower superpower" Which means no hard power whatsoever, but massive propaganda assets. Let's look better at the Battle of Britain Exhibit A: Most credible treat. Officially designated location which suffered the most and was supposedly bombed into rubble. Which is the likely reason it is now twinned with cities of Dresden, Volgograd (then Stalingrad) and Saraevo. All significantly larger and more important. Number of casualties inflicted? 554-568! That's it? The totally devastating carpet bombing that Churchill could have prevented, but did not, because yadda yadda Exhibit B: Amount of damage inflicted back Casualty figures vary a lot? How many people day if you turn literally the entire city but parts of the cathedral into rubble? This is what happened to Dresden and Leipzig, cities with populations into millions? Wiki lowball official is 25,000 each, which I find hard to believe. The high ball estimate is Soviet and says 250,000 for Dresden. Let's take 100,000 for Dresden and 100,000 for the rest, 200,000 total. Fair enough? Lets look how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Bomber_Command did. Attrition rate of 44,4%, over 55,000 dead aircrews. Bwahaha. 1:4 heavy bombers vs. innocent civilians on the ground. I can kill more Germans with a lawnmower! You are welcome to compare the results with the Yankees, whose attrition rate is negligible in comparison. You all flew the same routes and identical Yankees aircraft. If The Devil disapproves. If you want to be evil, you've got to be competent at it. The side of evil is always the more attractive one and gets many more willing recruits. Highly selective. No space for you in heck, only in a trashcan. Note that the Soviets categorically refused to participate in any "strategic bombing" campaigns. Which is an euphemism for indiscriminately bombing the population centers, while sparing valuable industrial assets. Here is USSR's official position. Uncle Joe's Order of the Day #55 https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1942/02/23.htm I quote, The foreign Press sometimes carries such twaddle as that the Red Army pursues the aim of exterminating the German people and destroying the German state. This, of course, is a stupid lie, and a senseless slander against the Red Army. The Red Army has not and cannot have such idiotic aims. The Red Army’s aim is to drive the German occupants from our country and liberate Soviet soil from the German-fascist invaders. It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet soil will lead to the exile or destruction of Hitler’s clique. We would welcome such an outcome. But it would be ludicrous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history indicates that Hitlers come and go, but the German people and the German state remain. Of course, the busybodies of the foreign, especially the British, have been busy rewriting the history of WWII ever since. Now it us who somehow committed the worst atrocities to German civilians? Even if we give any credence to the bullshit claim that the Soviets raped everything female that still moved, it is still not as bad as killing similarly many German women using aircraft. Yankee propagandist corpse are not even remotely as vicious. WWII was won due to their lendlease! (Actually true to an extent of whopping 11%, IMHO) What is all this nonsense? You stated that Britain was never under any serious threat of invasion and that is clearly rubbish! How many people dying has precisely NOTHING to do with if there was a very credible plan by the Germans to invade Britain. Operation Sea lion https://www.militarytimes.com/veterans/military-history/2020/07/16/hitler-released-his-failed-plan-to-invade-england-80-years-ago-today/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 March 4, 2022 (edited) Let's check out the rubble to Chinese yuan exchange: Ouch! That's the same as against USD! Maybe China should just buy Russia. Edited March 4, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: I quote, The Red Army’s aim is to drive the German occupants from our country and liberate Soviet soil from the German-fascist invaders. But Uncle Joe didn't stop at the Russian border, he went until he ran into the British and Americans. I guess he changed his mind. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK March 4, 2022 12 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: You say it like returning the USSR was a bad thing? We've been had bigtime. Unfortunately, it does not work that way. You cannot undo ground beef. So, a new Empire would have to be built. No evidence Putin believes in being unstoppable. He's not remotely as macho as your media makes him out to be. The Eurofags will do nothing. European security boils down to calling Uncle for help. If they were any serious about it, they should have worked on giving Uncle the boot and including Russia into the club. Because NATO is a solution looking for a problem. Should have dissolved itself after the Warsaw Pact or at least let Russia join, when it tried to apply. There is no "Putin" Russia has some legitimate security considerations, which you need to recognize. Any Russian leadership that is at least somewhat competent is bound to follow some of the same policy goals. Got a missile for every carrier of yours. Total of three. Don't have to be nuclear. Fortunately for you, you've got an excuse - the bridge over the Bosporus is 57m at the span. The barges are too large to enter the Straits. It would also violate Montreaux. The Turks have currently banned ALL warships from entered the Straits. Given how far the Med is, you might as well forget about the stupid carriers and use the airfields you've got on land. In Turkey, Italy, Romania, Greece. I don't get you. Why do you think the CVNs scare anyone? Iran got stuff to fend them off these days. They will go nuclear and WILL likely WIN. There is no MAD. Russia's got much better, newer nukes than you do. Ponder on this. USA CAN actually lose. So, you'll do absolutely nothing to protect your precious puppet regime. Any engagement that will as much as scratch Uncle Sam himself is not on the books. You don't have any contingency plans where you don't get something for nothing. One thing Putin cannot afford is a preemptive nuclear strike. The generals won't cooperate, and the people will revolt if he does it. You'll have to start it. You are obviously a Communist, The USSR was, in fact, what President Regan called an EVIL EMPIRE, the people suffered under that regime. As far as the best weapons, I remind you of the fact of the SR 71, F117 more then Twenty years hidden before acknowledged! You think DARPA and the secret projects and completed weapons not revealed even ow are not available to any United States President? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK March 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Do you think his generals will disobey Putin?? I don't as its their death sentence! Andrei is correct that Russia has far more advanced nuclear weapons and far more advanced missiles. That being said if anyone starts with nucs its pretty much game over for everyone as thats WWIII, which will last about an hour, maybe 2 at a push. We fielded weapons systems like the SR71, The F17 And with DARPA, I can assure you we have weapon systems that are so far advanced that in 10 to 20 year's they will leak out and just like the SR71 and F17 nighthawk it will be an Oh Shit moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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