Guillaume Albasini + 851 June 19, 2018 After withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, the Iran deal, and the UNESCO the United States withdrew from the United Nations Human Rights Council. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/united-states-withdraws-human-rights-council_us_5b292ba6e4b05d6c16c7efe6 Trump is getting the US out of the UNHRC and he is not very concerned by human rights as we can see with his new cruel and inhumane policy of separating migrant kids from parents. http://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2151400/effect-catastrophic-heres-what-happens-inside-child Does he get some advise from his new friend Kim Jong Un on how to behave like a cruel dictator ? It's sad to see he has already decorated the walls of the White House with pics of his north korean buddy. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-photos-kim-jong-un-macronp-982436 Disgusting ! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 20, 2018 If you look at the list of countries that are currently members of the UN Human Rights Council, I wouldn't want to be in that group either, a big waste of time on my opinion, as far as "promoting" human rights: Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Rwanda, etc. http://www.lan.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/CurrentMembers.aspx Albania 2017 Bangladesh 2017 Belgium 2018 Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 2017 Botswana 2017 Brazil 2019 Burundi 2018 China 2019 Congo 2017 Côte d’Ivoire 2018 Croatia 2019 Cuba 2019 Ecuador 2018 Egypt 2019 El Salvador 2017 Ethiopia 2018 Georgia 2018 Germany 2018 Ghana 2017 Hungary 2019 India 2017 Indonesia 2017 Iraq 2019 Japan 2019 Kenya 2018 Kyrgyzstan 2018 Latvia 2017 Mongolia 2018 Netherlands 2017 Nigeria 2017 Panama 2018 Paraguay 2017 Philippines 2018 Portugal 2017 Qatar 2017 Republic of Korea 2018 Rwanda 2019 Saudi Arabia 2019 Slovenia 2018 South Africa 2019 Switzerland 2018 Togo 2018 Tunisia 2019 United Arab Emirates 2018 United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2019 United States of America 2019 Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2018 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guillaume Albasini + 851 June 20, 2018 Tom, If you want to promote human rights it's better to have in the room those who are most concerned. If you only meet with states already respecting the human rights is it really helpfull ? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 20, 2018 Guillaume, I'm not exactly a fan of the United Nations, so it may not be productive for me to comment further. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Guillaume Albasini said: Tom, If you want to promote human rights it's better to have in the room those who are most concerned. If you only meet with states already respecting the human rights is it really helpfull ? Actually, disregard my comment directly above. After reading the biased Huffpo link, I feel a bit obliged to offer a counter-bias, for a better balanced view. Especially since I get annoyed with U.S. MSM concerted scripted talking points. Huffpo is not exactly what I would call 'factual' media. Please compare the Huffpo article with this article that more clearly states the reasons for the U.S. withdrawal: US quits the UN’s Human Rights Council The United States is withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Council, US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley said Tuesday, branding the global body a “cesspool of political bias.” “We take this step because our commitment does not allow us to remain a part of a hypocritical and self-serving organization that makes a mockery of human rights,” she said at a press conference announcing the move. The council, she added, has a “chronic bias against Israel.” Haley said that if the council reforms, the United States “would be happy to rejoin.” ...US officials said earlier Tuesday that the administration had concluded that its efforts to promote reform on the council had failed, and that withdrawal was the only step it could take to demonstrate its seriousness. It was not immediately clear if the US would remain a non-voting observer on the council. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, appearing alongside Haley at the State Department, said there was no doubt that the council once had a “noble vision.” But today we need to be honest,” Pompeo said. “The Human Rights Council is a poor defender of human rights.” Haley and Pompeo stressed the decision had been made after a long year of efforts to shame the council into reform and to remove member states that themselves commit abuses. “These reforms were needed in order to make the council a serious advocate for human rights,” Haley said. “For too long, the Human Rights Council has been a protector of human rights abusers, and a cesspool of political bias. Regrettably, it is now clear that our call for reform was not heeded.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 20, 2018 Oh, yes, I caught the "chronic bias against Israel" and I stopped listening. I understand this is a minefield but since there are plenty of Israelis who would laugh bitterly when told their country is an exemplary defender of human rights, I'll just go and mention it. There, I mentioned it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 20, 2018 I'm not a fan of Israel, Marina. I chose that article because it gives a more complete reasoning why the U.S. is pulling out of the UN Human Rights Council. It was meant to be a counter to the Huffpo cherry picking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Missy + 43 MM June 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: If you look at the list of countries that are currently members of the UN Human Rights Council, I wouldn't want to be in that group either, a big waste of time on my opinion, as far as "promoting" human rights: Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Rwanda, etc. http://www.lan.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/CurrentMembers.aspx Albania 2017 Bangladesh 2017 Belgium 2018 Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 2017 Botswana 2017 Brazil 2019 Burundi 2018 China 2019 Congo 2017 Côte d’Ivoire 2018 Croatia 2019 Cuba 2019 Ecuador 2018 Egypt 2019 El Salvador 2017 Ethiopia 2018 Georgia 2018 Germany 2018 Ghana 2017 Hungary 2019 India 2017 Indonesia 2017 Iraq 2019 Japan 2019 Kenya 2018 Kyrgyzstan 2018 Latvia 2017 Mongolia 2018 Netherlands 2017 Nigeria 2017 Panama 2018 Paraguay 2017 Philippines 2018 Portugal 2017 Qatar 2017 Republic of Korea 2018 Rwanda 2019 Saudi Arabia 2019 Slovenia 2018 South Africa 2019 Switzerland 2018 Togo 2018 Tunisia 2019 United Arab Emirates 2018 United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2019 United States of America 2019 Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2018 [Hurl]. Saudi Arabia, you say? Venezuela? China? ' What a joke. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TraderTate + 186 TS June 20, 2018 The point really isn't whether the UN is relevant or not, or whether we like how it deals with human rights issues. The issue here is the timing and reason for withdrawing, which is precisely because everyone's coming down on Trump for treating children inhumanely. It is truly unsatisfying to be an American at this point. I get the point that this is to serve as a deterrent for illegal immigration. So were children used as human shields to be a deterrent to U.S. air strikes in various countries. There are some things you just don't do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HermitMunster + 146 June 20, 2018 What about the photos taken in 2014 during a media tour of an Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona? 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 21, 2018 8 hours ago, TraderTate said: which is precisely because everyone's coming down on Trump for treating children inhumanely. Flashback: Both Hillary And Obama Advocated Separating Migrant Families, Strict Border Control While the left rages against "separated migrant children" which they blame on President Trump's "zero tolerance" enforcement policy of Bush-era rules, several "inconvenient" video clips have cropped up revealing both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama advocating virtually the same border policy they are currently attacking Trump over. For example, Hillary Clinton said during a 2014 CNN Town Hall; "We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border - doesn't mean your child gets to stay" Such virtuous signaling could only be outdone by this clip of Obama: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1008928564836749312 And let's not gloss over the fact that Obama separated migrant families, while taking criticism for encouraging migration while ignoring the growing crisis at the border. 'How many precious lives must be needlessly lost, women raped, girls forced into sex trafficking or people trapped into the drug trade before the Obama administration stops luring them here with continued grants of amnesty, legal status, work permits, and benefits?' asked Rep. Louie Gohmert. -Daily Mail (2014) But wait - rolling the calendar back to 1995 when Bill Clinton promised to crack down on illegal immigration, we have the following quote: "In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace. We are a nation of immgrants, but we are also a nation of laws." / Note: videos are in the link above. See especially the Obama short video here: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1008928564836749312 6 hours ago, HermitMunster said: What about the photos taken in 2014 during a media tour of an Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona? Yep. HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF OBAMA’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DETENTION FACILITIES THE MEDIA WON’T SHOW YOU 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 21, 2018 6 hours ago, HermitMunster said: What about the photos taken in 2014 during a media tour of an Obama-era detention facilities in Brownsville, Texas, and Nogales, Arizona? p.s. The Truth Behind Viral Photo Of "Immigrant Child" Crying Inside A 'Cage' 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rodent + 1,424 June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: p.s. The Truth Behind Viral Photo Of "Immigrant Child" Crying Inside A 'Cage' aw shucks... I'm sure it was just a good faith misunderstanding. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 June 21, 2018 Lets just say the US is lone leader in number of prisoners per 100.000 population and has bad very high gini ind. Although it is a wealthy country I wouldnt like to live in USA if I was poor Afroamerican or Mexican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Missy + 43 MM June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Tomasz said: Lets just say the US is lone leader in number of prisoners per 100.000 population and has bad very high gini ind. Although it is a wealthy country I wouldnt like to live in USA if I was poor Afroamerican or Mexican. Well good news for you. In America, you don't have to be poor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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