How Far Have We Really Gotten With Alternative Energy

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35 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

California 100 percent powered by renewables for first time

 

 

 

Renewable electricity met 100% of California's electricity demand for the first time ever on Saturday,

The milestone lasted almost 15 minutes before edging back down to about 97 percent renewables.

 

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2022/05/01/california-100-percent-powered-renewables-first-time/9609975002/

and the grid did not collapse with no coal power or nat gas power running at all. huh

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On 4/27/2022 at 9:05 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Fees and taxes apply equally to ICE and the total is still way, way below $75K.  

You charge your car at night when other appliances aren't running. Even EWO's numbers put the average at only $1500 for the electrician.

Oh and Chevy pays for the level 2 installation bitch.

Chevrolet will cover standard installation of Level 2 charging outlet for eligible customers who purchase or lease a 2022 Bolt EUV or Bolt EV ^* , helping even more people experience how easy it is to live electric. In collaboration with Qmerit, the offer gives customers access to faster charging right where they want it – at home – and with the new available Dual Level Charge Cord standard on the MY22 Bolt EUV and available on 2022 Bolt EV ^* a standalone charging station is not required.

You are simply pathetic. 

If everyone in your neighborhood charges at night, you have a serious problem with current grids.

Replacing the grids is enormously expensive for taxpayers and energy users. 

Edited May 2 by Ecocharger

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

If everyone in your neighborhood charges at night, you have a serious problem with current grids.

Replacing the grids is enormously expensive for taxpayers and energy users. 

How about backing your claim up with evidence? Of course you can't because it is not a problem at all.

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On 4/27/2022 at 9:05 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Fees and taxes apply equally to ICE and the total is still way, way below $75K.  

You charge your car at night when other appliances aren't running. Even EWO's numbers put the average at only $1500 for the electrician.

Oh and Chevy pays for the level 2 installation bitch.

Chevrolet will cover standard installation of Level 2 charging outlet for eligible customers who purchase or lease a 2022 Bolt EUV or Bolt EV ^* , helping even more people experience how easy it is to live electric. In collaboration with Qmerit, the offer gives customers access to faster charging right where they want it – at home – and with the new available Dual Level Charge Cord standard on the MY22 Bolt EUV and available on 2022 Bolt EV ^* a standalone charging station is not required.

You are simply pathetic. 

So you are having to maintain when you can and can’t use the power supply to your own home? LMFAO

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On 4/28/2022 at 5:45 PM, nsdp said:

Richie every house that has a central air conditioning unit has 240 volt service. Heat pump systems require 240 volt. The Edison single phase 120/240 center tap single phase  is more than adequate to recharge an electric car.   All you need is 100 amp 240 volt  breaker in the main breaker box and conduit out to thee wall plug for charging.  The National Electric Code of 1971 established a minimum of 150 amp 120/240 vol grounded meter cans  That means a house built since January 1 1971  needs a 100 amp 240 volt single phase breaker,  less than 1 ft of conduit 1ft of four wire #8 THW bundle  and an appropriate 220 volt  Electric stove. dryer plug.  Total cost of materials  is less than $100.  A 12 year old  can do it them self if the y have an IQ of 90 or higher.   Whether you can install this yourself is contingent on the NEC rules  regarding home owner repair work in your local jurisdiction.

I hope your mother has child safe plugs in all wall outlets . When it comes to electricity, you need all of the protection possible from your own stupidity. 

The service needed to change other then trickle is 3 phase not the little 120 you have been using in you Prius, if your going to go any distance at all.

Obviously, you need only drive up the block to your crack dealer a couple of times per week.

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7 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

The service needed to change other then trickle is 3 phase not the little 120 you have been using in you Prius, if your going to go any distance at all.

Obviously, you need only drive up the block to your crack dealer a couple of times per week.

240 volt services IS 3 phase service.  That's how they get the extra voltage - by connecting both legs of the triangle up. 

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27 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

240 volt services IS 3 phase service.  That's how they get the extra voltage - by connecting both legs of the triangle up.

Eric you know enough about electricity to be dangerous.   What you say is correct for 3 phase 4 wire either Wye or Delta secondary connection. There is also single phase 120/240 volt Edison three wire  grounded center tap neutral.  This is what you get at home in North Amercia https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Site-Early-Radio/Archive-Books-Early-Tech-IDX/IDX/Cyclopedia-of-Electricity-Vol-II-1925-OCR-Page-0260.pdf 

this is a single phase primary to neutral(if NERC compliant 2400 volts + )most usually 7200 volt to neutral or 19200 primary  to neutral drawing is from a book that is 50 years before NERC standards were adopted in 1968 and shows a delta primary connection that is now prohibited. )   high side connection for the transformer.   The secondary  is a full 240 volts if the wiring is connected to both ends of  the secondary winding.   The system neutral is connected to the center point of the secondary winding.  Since you have only a half length winding from L1 to N on the secondary side.   L1---N---L2.  Voltages are L1-L2 =240 volts. L1-N=120 volts, and N-L2 = 120 volts.  Maxwell's equations   This is the NEC standard for 600 volts or less.

If you live in the US, Canada, or Mexico that is what you get.  Most other countries use  240 volt star connection  for residential service

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8 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

The service needed to change other then trickle is 3 phase not the little 120 you have been using in you Prius, if your going to go any distance at all.

Obviously, you need only drive up the block to your crack dealer a couple of times per week.

Ritchie you do not need three phase to charge a battery since the battery charge is DC not AC.  There are no AC batteries only AC/DC inverters whose output is DC whether the AC side is single phase, two phase or three phase.   For a home inverter for charging, it does not matter whether or not the AC source is single or three phase service.   What the battery will see is DC current. If you use three phase at home you have the risk of losing a phase by grounding but your three phase breaker more than likely will not provide protection by tripping(called single phasing in the industry) and burning up your inverter because the transformer goes from a three phase closed delta to a three phase open delta which is unsafe for your inverter.  Phase to neutral on the secondary is 208 volts on the grounded leg.  instead of 120 volts.  . https://electricalbaba.com/what-happens-when-one-of-the-three-phases-of-supply-voltage-of-3-phase-induction-motor-lost/

Do you need new windshield wipers for your navel?

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On 5/2/2022 at 2:16 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

How about backing your claim up with evidence? Of course you can't because it is not a problem at all.

Jay, if Ritchie had passed a college freshman physics class , he would be familiar with Faraday's and Maxwell's equations and not post his ignorance for all to see!

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1 hour ago, Eric Gagen said:

240 volt services IS 3 phase service.  That's how they get the extra voltage - by connecting both legs of the triangle up. 

You are forgetting about the amperage; a nor house is wired for 200; when I built my own in the nineties, I had to have Two 200 amp boxes to cover the needs of the House, then about a year later I added a 15 KW Generator in case of outages. That required another box and the the necessary links to the other 200 amp boxes.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you're not going to see more than mathe a total of 20 percent of EV auto’s in the foreseeable future will be less than $50K. The problem is the cobalt and nickel which currently in Russia and China control. 

Lastly, Fossil Fuels will be providing the electricity for and least another 50 years to generate the charging of that EV.

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24 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Ritchie you do not need three phase to charge a battery since the battery charge is DC not AC.  There are no AC batteries only AC/DC inverters whose output is DC whether the AC side is single phase, two phase or three phase.   For a home inverter for charging, it does not matter whether or not the AC source is single or three phase service.   What the battery will see is DC current. If you use three phase at home you have the risk of losing a phase by grounding but your three phase breaker more than likely will not provide protection by tripping(called single phasing in the industry) and burning up your inverter because the transformer goes from a three phase closed delta to a three phase open delta which is unsafe for your inverter.  Phase to neutral on the secondary is 208 volts on the grounded leg.  instead of 120 volts.  . https://electricalbaba.com/what-happens-when-one-of-the-three-phases-of-supply-voltage-of-3-phase-induction-motor-lost/

Do you need new windshield wipers for your navel?

Understand. However, the power to charge will be fossil fuels for the next 50 years; Russia and China control the col alt and nicke. Russia sends its nickel to China because they are the only country willing to Fuck Up their environment to process to finish the product. That will not change for the foreseeable future.

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10 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Understand. However, the power to charge will be fossil fuels for the next 50 years; Russia and China control the col alt and nicke. Russia sends its nickel to China because they are the only country willing to Fuck Up their environment to process to finish the product. That will not change for the foreseeable future.

  who said any thing about the source of power generator. In Iowa it 53% wind and in Texas 21% wind and 2% solar.   As for cobalt and nickel based batteries only a fool uses them. You use   LiFe for safety.

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6 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

240 volt services IS 3 phase service.  That's how they get the extra voltage - by connecting both legs of the triangle up. 

Not true.  It is 2 of the 3 legs.  If 3 legs are present, It could be 208V 3 phase(VERY rare in USA) as that is the voltage one gets when one uses 3 legs of 120V, but most likely it is not when residential in USA.  Industrial areas, you are correct, but even here most common is 480V 3 phase.   Commercial property will have 3 phases, but the stores in question will have only 2 phases run to the store in question.  Outside of an industrial park, 3 phase as the de-jeur, in essence does not exist in the USA. 

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14 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

The service needed to change other then trickle is 3 phase not the little 120 you have been using in you Prius, if your going to go any distance at all.

Obviously, you need only drive up the block to your crack dealer a couple of times per week.

Not true.  30A@240V x 0.8 factor allowed is 5.7kW.  So, every hour of charging is roughly speaking is 17 miles of range at 0.3Wh/mile.  If you drive 2 cars(most likely) that is 2 30 AMP breakers and here lies the rub.  Most panels it is extremely difficult to add another 30Amp breaker let alone 2 of them due to change in the NEC forcing all outlets in residential housing to go from peanuts breakers to arc fault breakers requiring a full slot instead of half a slot. 

Now A dedicated charger will be required to be load calculated like a range, oven, built in microwave, refrigerator or heating... of course everyone installing said chargers are NOT doing said load calculation and just installing them anyways. 

The truth is, your home will be just fine as the limit of said panel load is actually set by the temperature of the main cable and its insulation going TO your house and they are absurdly conservative.  In this case Residential cable most commonly used has that 200Amp rating set at 70C and will never even approach it even at 200Amp continuous let alone 300Amp continuous(as if anyone wants to pay those electric bills).  Why?  It depends on HOW your cable is installed.  Are we talking inside a tiny tube that is insulated?  Or exposed?   If so, will heat up more obviously.... but here lies another truth, nearly no house has such an installation and the very rare ones which do use an old grounded steel tube which not only makes a perfect heat conduit but is a perfect conductor in case of a short.  Most new construction, said cables go into the ground in VERY short order acting as a gigantic heat absorber and cables also act as wonderful heat conductors which actually means the so called "current" limit set by the NEC is absurdly low in reality.  

There is an exception... Duplex, Triplex, Condo's, Apartments with their own sub panels usually to someplace in said dwelling will run a sub-line and these cables generally are MUCH smaller and heat limited to how they are run and the cables in question are insulated for damage protection.  Here the cable length is much longer before being exposed to the air or ground and they actually COULD heat up and melt out.  And these breaker boxes are generally 75Amp panels.  Especially older units.  NOT the 150A or 200Amp panel installation standard for a single house. 

PS: IF NG gets removed, one will have to add another 50 Amp for a range/oven instead of NG.  Another 30 or 40Amp if we assume heat pump instead of NG furnace.  And another 30-40 amp dedicated breaker for heat pump electric water heater.    Vast majority of homes will require new service if NG gets banned.

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On 5/2/2022 at 8:09 PM, Ecocharger said:

If everyone in your neighborhood charges at night, you have a serious problem with current grids.

Replacing the grids is enormously expensive for taxpayers and energy users. 

Eco the UK has had a massive increase in EV's and hybrids that most people charge overnight as it makes economical sense to do so. No upgrade to the UK's grid has been required, how does the US grid differ so much to the UK's? Is it because most of the US is on 120V compared to the UK 240V as standard? Sorry I'm not familiar with how your grid works.

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11 hours ago, nsdp said:

  who said any thing about the source of power generator. In Iowa it 53% wind and in Texas 21% wind and 2% solar.   As for cobalt and nickel based batteries only a fool uses them. You use   LiFe for safety.

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5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco the UK has had a massive increase in EV's and hybrids that most people charge overnight as it makes economical sense to do so. No upgrade to the UK's grid has been required, how does the US grid differ so much to the UK's? Is it because most of the US is on 120V compared to the UK 240V as standard? Sorry I'm not familiar with how your grid works.

so that's why the EU is importing LNG drilling in the North Sea and grabbing energy from any County that will assist.

I guess it's being done just for the looks because the wind in solar is providing so much.

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7 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Not true.  30A@240V x 0.8 factor allowed is 5.7kW.  So, every hour of charging is roughly speaking is 17 miles of range at 0.3Wh/mile.  If you drive 2 cars(most likely) that is 2 30 AMP breakers and here lies the rub.  Most panels it is extremely difficult to add another 30Amp breaker let alone 2 of them due to change in the NEC forcing all outlets in residential housing to go from peanuts breakers to arc fault breakers requiring a full slot instead of half a slot. 

Now A dedicated charger will be required to be load calculated like a range, oven, built in microwave, refrigerator or heating... of course everyone installing said chargers are NOT doing said load calculation and just installing them anyways. 

The truth is, your home will be just fine as the limit of said panel load is actually set by the temperature of the main cable and its insulation going TO your house and they are absurdly conservative.  In this case Residential cable most commonly used has that 200Amp rating set at 70C and will never even approach it even at 200Amp continuous let alone 300Amp continuous(as if anyone wants to pay those electric bills).  Why?  It depends on HOW your cable is installed.  Are we talking inside a tiny tube that is insulated?  Or exposed?   If so, will heat up more obviously.... but here lies another truth, nearly no house has such an installation and the very rare ones which do use an old grounded steel tube which not only makes a perfect heat conduit but is a perfect conductor in case of a short.  Most new construction, said cables go into the ground in VERY short order acting as a gigantic heat absorber and cables also act as wonderful heat conductors which actually means the so called "current" limit set by the NEC is absurdly low in reality.  

There is an exception... Duplex, Triplex, Condo's, Apartments with their own sub panels usually to someplace in said dwelling will run a sub-line and these cables generally are MUCH smaller and heat limited to how they are run and the cables in question are insulated for damage protection.  Here the cable length is much longer before being exposed to the air or ground and they actually COULD heat up and melt out.  And these breaker boxes are generally 75Amp panels.  Especially older units.  NOT the 150A or 200Amp panel installation standard for a single house. 

PS: IF NG gets removed, one will have to add another 50 Amp for a range/oven instead of NG.  Another 30 or 40Amp if we assume heat pump instead of NG furnace.  And another 30-40 amp dedicated breaker for heat pump electric water heater.    Vast majority of homes will require new service if NG gets banned.

So you wand to develop a flowchart as to what, when and which items can be used?

Hey I got an idea for you create an app and sell it to do the work for the people.

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19 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

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so that's why the EU is importing LNG drilling in the North Sea and grabbing energy from any County that will assist.

I guess it's being done just for the looks because the wind in solar is providing so much.

Richie the UK isnt in the EU!! The EU can do what the hell they like, I dont care, Germany have made some terribly bad decisions thanks to Merkel. The EU is in the sh*t because many countries backed cheap Russian gas supplies with no obvious alternative which was short sighted at best and idiotic at worst.

The UK produces approx 50% of its own gas with 1/3 being imported from Norway. That leaves approx 1/5 coming from elsehwere which the US is a supplier, but in real terms a very small supplier.

Over the last 12 months the UK's power has come mainly from Gas 39.1%, Renewables (mainly wind) 25.4%, and "other" 25.4% mainly nuclear and biomas.

Without renewables we would be up sh*t street, thats a fact.

Edited May 4 by Rob Plant

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1 hour ago, RichieRich216 said:

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nearly half of Tesla vehicles produced in Q1 were equipped with a lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery, containing no nickel or cobalt.

https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/IOSHZZ_TSLA_Q1_2022_Update_G9MOZE.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D"TSLA-Q1-2022-Update.pdf"

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Global Plug-In Electric Car Sales Increased 60% In March 2022

Plug-in car registrations:

• BEVs: about *624,000 (up 81% year-over-year) and 11% share
• PHEVs: about *227,000(up 19% year-over-year) and 4% share
• Total: 851,489 (up 60% year-over-year) and 15% share

https://insideevs.com/news/583483/global-plugin-electric-car-sales-march2022/

Edited May 4 by Jay McKinsey

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4 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

So you wand to develop a flowchart as to what, when and which items can be used?

Hey I got an idea for you create an app and sell it to do the work for the people.

Instead of remaining ignorant of basic electricity basics, you could just STOP posting your ignorance all over the internet telling others they are stupid and wrong when YOU are the ignorant one.  Take a hint. 

Yea, this comment is more aligned with your previous comments, not really this comment as the sheer ignorant absurdity of your comment is appalling. 

Do your homework, or hire an electrician.

Edited May 4 by footeab@yahoo.com

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On 4/26/2022 at 6:41 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

California just ordered the next big tranche of stand alone grid batteries.

CPUC approves California utility projects including PG&E’s 1.6GW/6.4GWh BESS

 

Rendering of the Edwards Sanborn solar-plus-storage project in Kern County, California. It will have a 2,445MWh battery storage system, one of the biggest in the world, though only 28% of this is part of PG&E’s procurement. Image: Terra-Gen / CPA.

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has approved new projects by the state’s three investor-owned utilities, including nine battery energy storage system (BESS) facilities proposed by PG&E totalling 1.6GW/6.4GWh.

The resources have to come online between 2023 and 2026 but PG&E expects these nine (which total 1,598.7MW to be exact) will be fully operational by June 2024.

Looking at the picture feels hot, probably intensified by the black panels?

Would there be a way to use the heat itself readily available in the desert to generate power? e.g. we use infrared to detect body heat. Could we reverse the process to use heat to generate infrared or light of other intensity?

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10 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Eco the UK has had a massive increase in EV's and hybrids that most people charge overnight as it makes economical sense to do so. No upgrade to the UK's grid has been required, how does the US grid differ so much to the UK's? Is it because most of the US is on 120V compared to the UK 240V as standard? Sorry I'm not familiar with how your grid works.

Different way load is calculated maybe.  What is considered full rated or partial in the load calc.

Did a quick search and UK flat standard is 60A@240V 3 phase and old standard was 40A, so equivalent to roughly 90A@240V 2 phase which is very close to a lot of USA equivalent apartments/condos with 100A... Actual USA homes, 100A is not even close.  Usually 150A or higher which I assume will roughly be equal in the UK.  But see my previous post for a couple reasons the NEC(National Electric Code- USA) is absurdly conservative for load ratings.  One would truly have to look at the nitty gritty in the regulations for load allowable between 2 countries. IEC = international electric code and NEC and whatever equivalent UK version are nearly all identical. 

PS: UK has not added lots of EV's.  Lets not kid ourselves. 

PPS: UK/USA/Worldwide grid work identically; only difference is residential wiring.  Commercial wiring around the world is identical or nearly so though light commercial business wiring in the USA tends to gravitate towards residential USA wiring standards to a greater degree. 

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20 hours ago, nsdp said:

Eric you know enough about electricity to be dangerous.   What you say is correct for 3 phase 4 wire either Wye or Delta secondary connection. There is also single phase 120/240 volt Edison three wire  grounded center tap neutral.  This is what you get at home in North Amercia https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Site-Early-Radio/Archive-Books-Early-Tech-IDX/IDX/Cyclopedia-of-Electricity-Vol-II-1925-OCR-Page-0260.pdf 

this is a single phase primary to neutral(if NERC compliant 2400 volts + )most usually 7200 volt to neutral or 19200 primary  to neutral drawing is from a book that is 50 years before NERC standards were adopted in 1968 and shows a delta primary connection that is now prohibited. )   high side connection for the transformer.   The secondary  is a full 240 volts if the wiring is connected to both ends of  the secondary winding.   The system neutral is connected to the center point of the secondary winding.  Since you have only a half length winding from L1 to N on the secondary side.   L1---N---L2.  Voltages are L1-L2 =240 volts. L1-N=120 volts, and N-L2 = 120 volts.  Maxwell's equations   This is the NEC standard for 600 volts or less.

If you live in the US, Canada, or Mexico that is what you get.  Most other countries use  240 volt star connection  for residential service

I have never claimed to be an expert in electrical systems.  

14 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Not true.  It is 2 of the 3 legs.  If 3 legs are present, It could be 208V 3 phase(VERY rare in USA) as that is the voltage one gets when one uses 3 legs of 120V, but most likely it is not when residential in USA.  Industrial areas, you are correct, but even here most common is 480V 3 phase.   Commercial property will have 3 phases, but the stores in question will have only 2 phases run to the store in question.  Outside of an industrial park, 3 phase as the de-jeur, in essence does not exist in the USA. 

yes - that's correct I think.  I'm thankful there weren't many questions about 3 phase wiring in my engineering examinations.  

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In California, 12.5% of new light-duty vehicle registrations were plug-in electric vehicles (PEV) in 2021. Next highest were the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon, which each had PEV registrations accounting for more than 7% of new registrations. Of all light-duty vehicle registrations in California for 2021, including new and existing registrations, 2.5% were PEV.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/04/in-california-12-5-of-new-light-duty-vehicle-registrations-were-plug-in-electric-vehicles-in-2021/