How Far Have We Really Gotten With Alternative Energy

[Ron Wagner + 575]

On 10/12/2023 at 4:46 AM, notsonice said:

coal is toast.........Solar farm boom is just starting

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/09/25/solar-module-price-falling-with-no-end-in-sight/

Solar module price falling, with no end in sight

Solar module prices have never fallen so sharply in such a short period of time. One reason for this is the “PV module glut” in warehouses in Europe, according to pvXchange’s Martin Schachinger.

SEPTEMBER 25, 2023 MARTIN SCHACHINGER, PVXCHANGE.COM

 

I will be trying to do a small roof install to run, but mainly for emergencies. We have movable panels and small electric batteries which we can expand also. I worry about theft of them since it does happen with even roof solar panels.

[TailingsPond + 293]

45 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

When new power transmission lines are not factored into the cost of new solar or wind it results in higher prices for the end consumer. The lies have resulted in higher prices for energy all across the world.

It's not like fossil fuel sourced energy is magically transmitted.  If the electrical lines are shorter it is only because the oil pipelines etc. are longer and the electricity is produced closer the the consumer.

 

[TailingsPond + 293]

50 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

I will be trying to do a small roof install to run, but mainly for emergencies. We have movable panels and small electric batteries which we can expand also. I worry about theft of them since it does happen with even roof solar panels.

Take note, Ron is going solar due his concerns about unreliable fossil fuel generation.

Why not buy a giant natural gas tank and a generator for emergencies??

Edited October 30 by TailingsPond

[Rob Plant + 2,419]

12 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Wow, that is miniscule!

Wow what a silly comment

The average number of turbines in an array in the USA is 50 so multiply 170,000 by 50 and you get a wind farm of 50 turbines powering 8.5million homes. Is that really miniscule Ron?

There are 142million homes in the USA so 16.3/4 of these would power every home in the USA. 

Edited October 31 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,419]

On 9/13/2023 at 1:08 PM, Rob Plant said:

China's Solar Boom: Capacity Set To Hit 1 TW By 2026

China's Solar Boom: Capacity Set To Hit 1 TW By 2026 | OilPrice.com

Of course this wont have any affect on coal use in China 😄

China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total

China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total | Reuters

Ron you post a rolling eye to this post and dont have any argument against it whatsoever. Just because it doesnt fit your mantra doesnt mean it isnt gonna happen!

[Ron Wagner + 575]

OK, my rolling eye was because the amount of electricity produced was not impressive IMHO. 

7% wind and solar does not impress me. China is the main producer of solar panels, so that makes it even less impressive. Also, I do not believe that wind and solar are ever really cheaper if all factors are considered. The one exception would be off-grid solar. 

[turbguy + 1,315]

On 10/30/2023 at 2:24 PM, Ron Wagner said:

Wow, that is miniscule!

Actually, it not exactly minuscule.  That's for ONE wind turbine.  It output matched what a 16 MW combustion of steam turbine would do.

How much does it cost?  That's probably a bigger issue.   But...it's China.

[turbguy + 1,315]

On 10/30/2023 at 2:47 PM, Ron Wagner said:

I will be trying to do a small roof install to run, but mainly for emergencies. We have movable panels and small electric batteries which we can expand also. I worry about theft of them since it does happen with even roof solar panels.

If you are concerned about theft, I suggest you use fasteners with a mix of different wrench sizes, a mix of Allen and hex head bolts, and a mix of left and right-hand threads. 

THAT will slow then up.

CONSIDERABLY!

Edited November 1 by turbguy

[turbguy + 1,315]

On 10/30/2023 at 3:37 PM, TailingsPond said:

Take note, Ron is going solar due his concerns about unreliable fossil fuel generation.

Why not buy a giant natural gas tank and a generator for emergencies??

Not stored nat gas, propane.

[Rob Plant + 2,419]

6 hours ago, turbguy said:

If you are concerned about theft, I suggest you use fasteners with a mix of different wrench sizes, a mix of Allen and hex head bolts, and a mix of left and right-hand threads. 

THAT will slow then up.

CONSIDERABLY!

Actually you can easily buy tamper proof fasteners that nobody can remove unless they have a specific tool to undo them.

[Rob Plant + 2,419]

10 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

OK, my rolling eye was because the amount of electricity produced was not impressive IMHO. 

7% wind and solar does not impress me. China is the main producer of solar panels, so that makes it even less impressive. Also, I do not believe that wind and solar are ever really cheaper if all factors are considered. The one exception would be off-grid solar. 

Ron your pie chart is hugely out of date so what you think are miniscule numbers actually aren't now. Hence why the article (which was from June 2023 not a pie chart from 2021) I posted stated this.

China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total

That's a massive change from your pie chart showing 83% of powergen is from FF. That's in a 2 year period as well.

Lots of people on here claiming there's bugger all change or the "green agenda" is losing traction when up to date data and investment levels in renewables proves otherwise.

Edited November 1 by Rob Plant

[notsonice + 877]

17 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

OK, my rolling eye was because the amount of electricity produced was not impressive IMHO. 

7% wind and solar does not impress me. China is the main producer of solar panels, so that makes it even less impressive. Also, I do not believe that wind and solar are ever really cheaper if all factors are considered. The one exception would be off-grid solar. 

7% wind and solar does not impress me??????

and now the boom is happening

 

since your pie chart was published (2021 end of year data) total of 624GW solar and wind was installed

solar  in China went from 253 GW at the end of 2020 298 at the end of 2021  to 392 GW at the end of 2022 and is rising to over 500 GW this year and 1000 GW at the end of 2026

wind went from 328 GW at the end of 2021 to 365 at the end of 2022 to top 500 GW by the end of 2023

so your 7% is now at the end of this year at over 10% and at the end of 2025 over 14%...doubled in 4 years

Chinas target of  (1200GW)  at the end of 2030 will happen in 2024

2026 a total of 1500 GW wil be installed

 

by 2030 Solar and Wind will be at over 2300 GW in China or nearly 4 times of what it is today or 20 plus % of all energy consumption in China

 

that is near 4 times of what your 2021 end of year in just 9 years....which means Coal is losing market share and Coal in China is now set for terminal decline

China's solar capacity expected to hit 1,000 GW by 2026, Rystad Energy says

Reuters

September 12, 20237:33 AM MDTUpdated 2 months ago

Sept 12 (Reuters) - China's installed solar capacity will double to 1,000 gigawatts (GW) by the end of 2026 as the world's second-largest economy continues to ramp up investment in renewables, energy research firm Rystad Energy wrote in a note published on Monday.

Beijing had set a goal of boosting the country's installed capacity of wind and solar power to more than 1,200 GW by 2030.

China had installed 365 GW of wind power capacity and 392 GW of solar capacity by the end of last year - about a third of the world's total. The country's installed capacity is expected to top 500 GW by the end of 2023, the note added.

 

"China's national program to build out solar capacity, launched in June 2021, has led to a significant boost in large-scale projects," said Yicong Zhu, senior renewables and power analyst at Rystad.

The note added China's investment in solar photovoltaic (PV) capacity was 3.4 times higher than its investment on thermal power during the first half of 2023.

However, utility-scale solar PV development, that produce 10 megawatts (MW) or more of energy, has been concentrated in its less populous northwestern parts due to geographical advantages.

"There is limited land availability and costs are high in coastal regions, so large-scale utility solar PV developments are not feasible," the note added.

The challenges have paved the way for more investment in rooftop solar and provinces such as Henan, Shandong and Hubei have seen a surge in installations, Rystad said.

Despite the growth, some provinces are lagging behind in meeting their province-specific goals for installed capacity, the note added.

 

"Overall, all provinces will need to bring at least 250 GW of solar PV capacity online by the end of 2025 to achieve their respective targets," Rystad noted.

Edited November 1 by notsonice

[Ron Wagner + 575]

On 10/31/2023 at 4:09 AM, Rob Plant said:

Wow what a silly comment

The average number of turbines in an array in the USA is 50 so multiply 170,000 by 50 and you get a wind farm of 50 turbines powering 8.5million homes. Is that really miniscule Ron?

There are 142million homes in the USA so 16.3/4 of these would power every home in the USA. 

I think in terms of energy for ALL needs, not just electricity for home use. Huge difference in reality versus slit vision. 

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,380]

Just another Ho hum Green Energy walk back. I promise to never do it again...And I thought US youth we're gullible.

 

Ex EU Climate Chief Drops Key Green Pledge Ahead Of Dutch Election

By Charles Kennedy - Nov 06, 2023, 11:30 AM CST

 

 

 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Ex-EU-Climate-Chief-Drops-Key-Green-Pledge-Ahead-Of-Dutch-Election.html

Edited November 7 by Eyes Wide Open

[notsonice + 877]

EV prices are dropping and EV factories are being built everywhere

 

record breaking solar and wind being built everywhere

the big loser........Big oil

Enjoy the transition

Reuters

China EV maker BYD to build first Europe plant in Hungary, Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung reports

Chinese electric vehicle giant BYD , plans to build its first European car factory in Hungary, a German newspaper reported on Saturday.

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Yahoo Finance

China EV Makers Fall on Report of Tesla’s Cheaper EU-Made Model

(Bloomberg) -- Shares of Chinese electric vehicle makers slid following a report that Tesla Inc. is planning a more affordable model...

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CleanTechnica

 

 

25% BEV Share In China! — China EV Sales Report

Plugin vehicles are all the rage in the Chinese auto market. Plugins scored more than 776,000 sales last month, up 22% year over year (YoY),...

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South China Morning Post

Toyota plans to trial new EV pickup in Thailand to counter Chinese rivals

Chinese electric vehicle makers are rapidly gaining market share in Thailand and have pledged US$1.5 billion in investment for...

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CNBC

Chinese EV startups Xpeng, Li Auto deliver a record number of cars in October

Chinese electric car companies Xpeng and Li Auto each delivered a record number of cars in October, according to company releases.

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[notsonice + 877]

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/11/03/solar-cell-prices-plunge-to-all-time-low/

PV MAGAZINE

Solar cell prices plunge to all-time low

November 3, 2023OPIS

On 10/12/2023 at 2:00 PM, turbguy said:

Now solar module cost is down to 14.5 US cents/watt!

and getting cheaper by the day

 

a drop of 40 percent since the last graph I posted in just 3 months

1/6 the price of 2015 and when you add in inflation

10 percent of the price of 2015

 

the older chart

 

and some real perspective

Edited November 7 by notsonice

[notsonice + 877]

EU already has abandoned Coal, USA Coal use spiraling downward and China will follow starting in 2024 due to renewables

Coal is Doomed

World Coal

IEEFA: Coal use at US power plants continues decline

According to Seth Feaster, IEEFA, coal use at US power plants is continuing its downward spiral; with the full impact on mines to be felt in...

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IEEFA: Coal use at US power plants continues decline

 Save to read listPublished by Will Owen, Editor
World Coal, Thursday, 09 November 2023 10:00

the highlights....read the whole article

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According to Seth Feaster, IEEFA, coal use at US power plants is continuing its downward spiral; with the full impact on mines to be felt in 2024.

Feaster’s latest analysis of the subject reads as follows:

“This year, the use of coal by the US’s power producers has been so anaemic that the fuel has not achieved a 20% market share in any month so far, and the current outlook predicts low levels for the rest of the year. To put that into perspective, coal’s power market share had never been less than 20% in any month before 2020, according to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA).

 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,052]

3 hours ago, notsonice said:

EU already has abandoned Coal, USA Coal use spiraling downward and China will follow starting in 2024 due to renewables

Coal is Doomed

I know this will stretch your 2 brain cells...

USA has this thing called ~free(almost) Natural Gas. Coal is not ~free. 

Why would anyone in the USA install a new Coal power plant again instead of NG? 

You might have noticed but those who have coal but not Natural Gas are building..... get this, COAL POWER PLANTS

Plz stretch your 2 brain cells.

[Jay McKinsey + 1,451]

5 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I know this will stretch your 2 brain cells...

USA has this thing called ~free(almost) Natural Gas. Coal is not ~free. 

Why would anyone in the USA install a new Coal power plant again instead of NG? 

You might have noticed but those who have coal but not Natural Gas are building..... get this, COAL POWER PLANTS

Plz stretch your 2 brain cells.

And if you used your singular brain cell you would realize that US decreases help offset other increases.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,380]

2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And if you used your singular brain cell you would realize that US decreases help offset other increases.

You might take a new look you old crow. The civilized world would be running away from Green Energy at breakneck speed. The chaos is beginning to end, the aftermath will be extraordinary.

Failure has arrived.

Edited November 11 by Eyes Wide Open

[Jay McKinsey + 1,451]

6 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You might take a new look you old crow. The civilized world would be running away from Green Energy at breakneck speed. The chaos is beginning to end, the aftermath will be extraordinary.

Failure has arrived.

Meanwhile in reality:

Exclusive: Over 60 countries back deal to triple renewable energy this decade -officials

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/over-60-countries-back-deal-triple-renewable-energy-this-decade-officials-2023-11-10/

[notsonice + 877]

this will wipe out coal use permanently in Europe and decimate Nat Gas fueled electrical generation

Enjoy the transition..............

https://renews.biz/89594/nsec-to-coordinate-annual-15gw-offshore-auctions/

North Sea states launch 100GW tender plan

The joint planning initiative could comprise almost 15GW awards annually to 2030

20 November 2023 13:52 Offshore Wind [Image: Zoltan Tasi/Unsplash]

   

The North Seas Energy Cooperation (NSEC) countries are launching a joint tender planning initiative with around 15GW of offshore wind auctions scheduled each year and almost 100GW of awards by 2030.

Edited November 20 by notsonice