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31 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Neither did you, really. There was no practical way to put what you had into "series production", but let's suppose you did. Were you going to nuke Western Europe, genius?

The place to nuke with our one bomb at the end of the war would have been Baku. That would have taken out Soviet oil production.

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On 8/8/2022 at 6:57 PM, Starschy said:

Those solar panel won't help you in the winter.

They'll produce a couple of kwh a day in the depths of winter. 

Thats enough to charge some batteries for lighting, run the solar water heating, boiler if need be, IPADS, phones. 

 

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21 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

WINTER OF DISCONTENT, The title of this should have been Winter of HELL, without the heat.

Last December we went to Tenerife for a week in December. 

I turned the heating off as I drained down the water so nothing to freeze up. 

After 7 days the internal temperature was 12 Deg C without any heat or coincidental input (body heat & appliances) 

Cool but not freeze to death territory.

Moral of that story  - insulate, insulate, insulate.

 

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7 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Neither did you, really. There was no practical way to put what you had into "series production", but let's suppose you did. Were you going to nuke Western Europe, genius?

The Atomic bomb was used stupidl: They had more than Two; yes, we could have lit up the USSR just like the Two cities in Japan.

Learn more history asshole!

 

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The place to nuke with our one bomb at the end of the war would have been Baku. That would have taken out Soviet oil production.

Great minds think alike, eh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/operation-pike-how-crazy-plan-bomb-russia-almost-lost-world-14402

Would've cost the Brits the war right there. The Urals/West Siberian oil was already discovered, but held hush-hush.

Actually, you've already got the most utility out of your nuke. As a scarecrow weapon rather than real one. Truman got the Soviets to retreat from Iran within 24 hours under the treat of nuking.

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8 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Great minds think alike, eh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/operation-pike-how-crazy-plan-bomb-russia-almost-lost-world-14402

Would've cost the Brits the war right there. The Urals/West Siberian oil was already discovered, but held hush-hush.

Actually, you've already got the most utility out of your nuke. As a scarecrow weapon rather than real one. Truman got the Soviets to retreat from Iran within 24 hours under the treat of nuking.

The Urals oil may have been discovered but U.S.S.R was in no position to develop the fields if US attacked in 1945.

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10 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

The Atomic bomb was used stupidl: They had more than Two; yes, we could have lit up the USSR just like the Two cities in Japan.

Learn more history asshole!

 

Your atomic bomb had a shelf life of some 48 hours after being assembled

Why No One Will Ever Build Another Nagasaki Type Bomb (armscontrolwonk.com)

Hiroshima one was even worse. It was largely a dud or a dirty bomb and only had a devastating effect on a town build out of cardboard, Japanese-style. Core USSR territory was also not immediately reachable by bombers.

The Soviets didn't really know all that, though, so the most utility you got from the bomb was as a scarecrow. Truman got the Soviets to leave Iran within 24 hours under the treat of nuking.

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18 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The Urals oil may have been discovered but U.S.S.R was in no position to develop the fields if US attacked in 1945.

Thus, spooking the Soviets from Iran, where there were obviously more developed oil fields. You are such a little Truman, Jay. Uncle Adi also assumed a lot about what the Soviets cannot conceivably develop in a greenfield. He turned out to be wrong.

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50 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Your atomic bomb had a shelf life of some 48 hours after being assembled

Why No One Will Ever Build Another Nagasaki Type Bomb (armscontrolwonk.com)

Hiroshima one was even worse. It was largely a dud or a dirty bomb and only had a devastating effect on a town build out of cardboard, Japanese-style. Core USSR territory was also not immediately reachable by bombers.

The Soviets didn't really know all that, though, so the most utility you got from the bomb was as a scarecrow. Truman got the Soviets to leave Iran within 24 hours under the treat of nuking.

No shit, it was taken to Bomber by the Indianapolis, Do you think with control of Europe we couldn't bring within bomber range of any USSR city right of Germany surrender in 1945, if not in the United States learn your history, from the U.S. Get money back from school! Your stupidity on the subject is fucking amazing....

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5 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

No shit, it was taken to Bomber by the Indianapolis, Do you think with control of Europe we couldn't bring within bomber range of any USSR city right of Germany surrender in 1945, if not in the United States learn your history, from the U.S. Get money back from school! Your stupidity on the subject is fucking amazing....

All of it would be over contested airspace, so no, I don't think you could. Look up some of US' own assessments on the number of bombers that would take. I went to a Soviet high school, which didn't cost me a cent (or kopeck)

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

All of it would be over contested airspace, so no, I don't think you could. Look up some of US' own assessments on the number of bombers that would take. I went to a Soviet high school, which didn't cost me a cent (or kopeck)

So your opinion is jaded by the fact you are from a Communist country!
 

If we could take it from the United States to outside Of Japan, we could have done it in Europe.

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50 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

So your opinion is jaded by the fact you are from a Communist country!
 

If we could take it from the United States to outside Of Japan, we could have done it in Europe.

Japan is comparatively rather small. It is plainly obvious that you would've attacked USSR with nukes and genocided everyone the earliest moment you thought you could get away with it. I am still taken aback what bloodthirsty, soulless monsters your leadership really were. Still likely are. USSR, on the other hand, just wanted to survive. It was always the one on the defense. Quite the opposite of how your Goebbels propaganda renders it now. I used to drink the American Kool Aid for a while myself, but I grew out of it. It is plainly obvious we've been had. So, let's replay, shall we? We have lost no Cold War, we quit it. Your turn now.

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On 8/9/2022 at 6:44 PM, Wombat One said:

Have you never heard of "creative destruction"? That is precisely what keeps Western economies streets ahead of Communist economies.

Who would that be, the Chinese? You don't appear to be ahead of them, quite on the contrary.

Australia specifically is a mineral extraction economy. To a much higher degree than Russia, which gets all the flak as the proverbial gas station masquerading as a country. How creative is that?

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14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

All of it would be over contested airspace, so no, I don't think you could. Look up some of US' own assessments on the number of bombers that would take. I went to a Soviet high school, which didn't cost me a cent (or kopeck)

The B29 (or the Avro Lincoln*) could hit Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Minsk from allied territory. 

If you want to nuke one of those cities send hundreds of bombers armed with conventionals (light load and plenty of AA ammo) and a few with nukes. Chances are the city gets wiped off the map. 

Leningrad easiest because that route can have fighter escort all the way from allied naval assets. 

*Avro Lincoln even greater range than the B29. 

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11 minutes ago, NickW said:

The B29 (or the Avro Lincoln*) could hit Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Minsk from allied territory. 

If you want to nuke one of those cities send hundreds of bombers armed with conventionals (light load and plenty of AA ammo) and a few with nukes. Chances are the city gets wiped off the map. 

Leningrad easiest because that route can have fighter escort all the way from allied naval assets. 

*Avro Lincoln even greater range than the B29. 

Hindsight is 100% Winnie Churchill had all kinds of clever plans like that, but it was a hard sell, because people were tired of the war. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

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14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Japan is comparatively rather small. It is plainly obvious that you would've attacked USSR with nukes and genocided everyone the earliest moment you thought you could get away with it. I am still taken aback what bloodthirsty, soulless monsters your leadership really were. Still likely are. USSR, on the other hand, just wanted to survive. It was always the one on the defense. Quite the opposite of how your Goebbels propaganda renders it now. I used to drink the American Kool Aid for a while myself, but I grew out of it. It is plainly obvious we've been had. So, let's replay, shall we? We have lost no Cold War, we quit it. Your turn now.

You're an indoctrinated, weak-minded people who don't think for themselves!

Your entire life is for the “ Greater Good” no matter how badly you live and work.

It's quite funny that some of your advanced weapons being used in Ukraine have technology from 28 FREE COUNTRIES and not Russian built. 

Talk about Kool-Aid; we are an open society and don't get arrested for speaking out like what is happening to anyone who speaks against Putin.

Your and Chinese forces are built on stealing the design and Intellectual Property of the United States.
 

Look at what is happening in Russia with the sanctions; you nationalized foreign companies and property, and the people are beginning to see what the old USSR was like.
 

Stop kissing dictator's ass’s and take your country for the people and not for the dictatorship ruling class or the Russian Organized Crime criminals
 

 

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On 8/10/2022 at 12:57 PM, Wombat One said:

 What on Earth can anyone gain from a first strike when everyone has the capacity of a second strike? What the hell have they been teaching you in the FSB? First strike was a doctrine of the Goddam 50's??????????? What rock have you been living under? Nuclear winter is all about the effect on the troposphere? First strike or second strike, it makes no difference you dope? Even a first strike is suicide, regardless of whether or not there is a second strike. Why do you think the US policymakers are talking about reducing their nuclear arsenal unilaterally if necessary? They want to modernise their delivery systems but get their total number of warheads below 2000 as soon as possible but Putin won't reciprocate. I thought you were a physicist like me that just had to study computer science in order to handle the instruments? Damn. Am glad you cleared that up. I never could understand the Russian paranoia until now. You simply are not even informed. Not on Physics, not on Economics, not on History? Sometimes I forget that even the best educated Russians have little education at all. You are so intelligent, yet so ill-informed. That is a tragedy. Do you even know what the mini black holes that CERN produce actually consist of? And why they want to produce them?

nuclear might be a necessity to end war against brutal force quickly....

A news clip broadcasted few days ago recalled the damage done by nuclear bomb during WWII in Japan. About 400, 000 people killed, which was half of the total population of the location(s), with the rest suffer consequences of radiation... Military base was destroyed and the war ended in ONE day.

Judging from the destructive power, it might be the center of WW III.........

 

Testing water, if the ultimate defence would be used, is silly..........

On 8/10/2022 at 11:06 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

The place to nuke with our one bomb at the end of the war would have been Baku. That would have taken out Soviet oil production.

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5 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

You're an indoctrinated, weak-minded people who don't think for themselves!

Your entire life is for the “ Greater Good” no matter how badly you live and work.

It's quite funny that some of your advanced weapons being used in Ukraine have technology from 28 FREE COUNTRIES and not Russian built. 

Talk about Kool-Aid; we are an open society and don't get arrested for speaking out like what is happening to anyone who speaks against Putin.

Your and Chinese forces are built on stealing the design and Intellectual Property of the United States.
 

Look at what is happening in Russia with the sanctions; you nationalized foreign companies and property, and the people are beginning to see what the old USSR was like.
 

Stop kissing dictator's ass’s and take your country for the people and not for the dictatorship ruling class or the Russian Organized Crime criminals
 

 

Aha. There are especially many advanced Latverian technologies in our weapons. Latverias are those "free countries", where somebody gets charged with treason carrying up to life sentence for expressing a pro-Russian opinion on YouTube

https://theancestory.com/kirill-fedorov/

In Ukraine, people just disappear. In Russia, people got away with fines for speaking out  against the war under the new law. Normally, you can give shit to Putin all you want.

Russia is not China. There are plenty of examples where US copied pioneering Russian technology too. Everybody does this. I also get an impression that you still think of Russia as communist? It isn't really. I should be obvious by now that the whole thing was never about communism. You simply hate anyone who challenges your top dog position.

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Aha. There are especially many advanced Latverian technologies in our weapons. Latverias are those "free countries", where somebody gets charged with treason carrying up to life sentence for expressing a pro-Russian opinion on YouTube

https://theancestory.com/kirill-fedorov/

In Ukraine, people just disappear. In Russia, people got away with fines for speaking out  against the war under the new law. Normally, you can give shit to Putin all you want.

Russia is not China. There are plenty of examples where US copied pioneering Russian technology too. Everybody does this. I also get an impression that you still think of Russia as communist? It isn't really. I should be obvious by now that the whole thing was never about communism. You simply hate anyone who challenges your top dog position.

You are under a dictator that longs for the return of the USSR. Your job must be to monitor the oil sites and bullshit back anything in opposition to Putin.

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20 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

You are under a dictator that longs for the return of the USSR. Your job must be to monitor the oil sites and bullshit back anything in opposition to Putin.

I live in Austria. Putin is no dictator. He does not long for the return of the USSR. I do, though. It has been nothing but good to me. I don't have a job. Just two sentences, so many errors.

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On 8/3/2022 at 1:38 AM, Starschy said:

Russia will have a very minor reduced result. About 5-7% in 2022. Russians are very pragmatic types.

It's not just about that. 

The longterm damage to EU-Russia relations will harm Russia economically. And frankfully speaking 

1) this war has made EU countries rally behind EU & NATO

2) Given renewable energy supporters that the argument that renewable energy policy is also security policy

And - europeans are starting to accept energy conservation. Reducing speed on highways and stuff. All in all it is too early to predict the long and medium term outcome. But please believe that politicians now have a far easier time selling some "hardship" to the populations. 

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The Unemployment rate in EU is 6% and above in many Countries. Those numbers will increase and I think next February it looks way different.

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19 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Aha. There are especially many advanced Latverian technologies in our weapons. Latverias are those "free countries", where somebody gets charged with treason carrying up to life sentence for expressing a pro-Russian opinion on YouTube

https://theancestory.com/kirill-fedorov/

In Ukraine, people just disappear. In Russia, people got away with fines for speaking out  against the war under the new law. Normally, you can give shit to Putin all you want.

Russia is not China. There are plenty of examples where US copied pioneering Russian technology too. Everybody does this. I also get an impression that you still think of Russia as communist? It isn't really. I should be obvious by now that the whole thing was never about communism. You simply hate anyone who challenges your top dog position.

Russian journalist Marina Ovsyannikova, who became a symbol of fearless dissent when she interrupted a live TV broadcast in March to protest her country’s invasion of Ukraine, has been placed under house arrest in Moscow pending a trial related to a fresh anti-war protest in July.

Ovsyannikova was arrested on August 10 in a police raid on her Moscow home. She appeared in court on Thursday (August 11) where she was charged with spreading fake news about the military, an offense that carries up to ten years in prison under Russian law.

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Russian journalist Marina Ovsyannikova, who became a symbol of fearless dissent when she interrupted a live TV broadcast in March to protest her country’s invasion of Ukraine, has been placed under house arrest in Moscow pending a trial related to a fresh anti-war protest in July.

Ovsyannikova was arrested on August 10 in a police raid on her Moscow home. She appeared in court on Thursday (August 11) where she was charged with spreading fake news about the military, an offense that carries up to ten years in prison under Russian law.

She got a fine first couple of times, and left Russia to work for the German "Welt" As it turns out, they hate all Russians there, also the protesting ones, so she left and returned to Russia and turned professional. Protesting the war is all she does now. Basically, she's gone completely nuts. You're comparing this to a fellow who is simply a weapons nut and had a channel called "History of Weapons" on YouTube. He was insufficiently pro-Russian even for YouTube to censor. Unlike Russia or Ukraine, Latvia is not at war with anybody, last I checked? In Ukraine, those suspected of Russian sympathies simply disappear or are killed without a trial. In Russia, "fearless dissenters" get off with a fine. Supporting Russia now carries a prison sentence in Germany also. Pathetically thin turned out the Western civilizational veneer... This German journalist

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/de-en.ru.4b5a857b-62f6e8cd-3fdb4873-74722d776562/https/www.jungewelt.de/artikel/429477.sackgasse-meinungskorridor-der-fall-alina-lipp.html

( translated story https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/429477.sackgasse-meinungskorridor-der-fall-alina-lipp.html )

called Alina Lipp, who is now reporting from Donetsk, will have to go to jail if she returns. (She received a letter that she's been tried in absentia, NKVD style) For now, they cancel-cultured her family, like closed all of her parents accounts. Russia does not practice collective punishments.

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9 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

It's not just about that. 

The longterm damage to EU-Russia relations will harm Russia economically. And frankfully speaking 

1) this war has made EU countries rally behind EU & NATO

2) Given renewable energy supporters that the argument that renewable energy policy is also security policy

And - europeans are starting to accept energy conservation. Reducing speed on highways and stuff. All in all it is too early to predict the long and medium term outcome. But please believe that politicians now have a far easier time selling some "hardship" to the populations. 

What if it won't harm Russia? Wouldn't the Europeans look stupid? Already do so to me, becoming a tool of American security policy instead of their own.

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