Investment in renewables tanking

[TailingsPond + 176]

10 hours ago, specinho said:

Good thinking. 

The question raised might have confused the single unit/ monomer and a multi unit/ polymer....

 

Ethene, is a double bond monomer of 2C. CnH2n or C2H4. - 'c = c' - 

 

Polyethene, is a polymer formed by joint multi unit monomers of ethene. For ethene to be elongated, the double bond would be broken and used to form a bond with adjacent carbon. (C2H4)n

C ( - 'c,- 'c, -) c........

When melted into liquid, it would be hydrocarbon.

How to control its length and the type of gas formed when burnt, there would certainly be a way. Chemical processes of these few are interchangeable, if not mistaken. 

 

 

 

Ethylene and polyethylene are already hydrocarbons.  They are literally made of carbon and hydrogen.

But yes, you can make any desired alkane from ethylene.

Start with sugar from corn, grains, or fruit and ferment it into ethanol. Dehydration of ethanol yields ethylene, which when polymerized yields long alkane chains.  You can then crack the polyethylene plastic into shorter chain hydrocarbons (liquid fuels).

The idea that we absolutely need fossil fuels is wrong.  It is just much, much cheaper to dig the stuff out of the ground than make the ingredients chemically.

 

[turbguy + 1,187]

On 5/5/2023 at 9:47 PM, Ron Wagner said:

IMHO Biden has received good advice from the military and is doing exactly the right thing by supporting Ukraine. It is destroying Russian aggression and their future power plays. It has also warned off China from attacking Taiwan, at least for now. China is also in a desperate economic crisis for several reasons:

Europe followed America's lead in supporting Ukrainian freedom and independence. Europe freed itself from dependence on Russian oil and gas. NATO and others imposed severe and growing sanctions on the Russian economy. Europe, and all Western nations and their allies became unified against not only the Russian Bear, but also the Chinese dragon. 

Their past reliance on massive housing construction that is now abandoned and useless.

The massive debt held by their citizens, banks, businesses, and government at all levels. ( Worse even, than that of Americas.)

The flight of international manufacturing to other countries, which is due to the lack of faith in Xi's dictatorial administration and grandiose plans for Chinese hegemony. 

The aging of the Chinese population which places a burden on the younger generations, who will need to support their elders.  

Competitive nations like India and other nations have a much younger population distribution. 

China needs to rid itself of the Chinese Communist Party and Xi to become accepted by the world as it was during China's rise. 

Communism and dictatorship has been shown to be a path to failure for any nation which lives under its  policies. 

Unfortunately, America is becoming more like Canada and Europe politically. If this is not turned around 180 degrees, we will become a democrat socialist nation like the ones in Europe. Our economy will falter, along with our traditional American values. Anyone with eyes to see, is watching it happening all around America. Biden is a leader in that movement along with his whole administration and all the government employee unions, teachers unions, USPS, major media, wealthy foundations run by the grandchildren of great business leaders, etc. etc. 

You do realize that unions gave you and I this thing called "the weekend", no??

[specinho + 338]

12 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Ethylene and polyethylene are already hydrocarbons.  They are literally made of carbon and hydrogen.

But yes, you can make any desired alkane from ethylene.

Start with sugar from corn, grains, or fruit and ferment it into ethanol. Dehydration of ethanol yields ethylene, which when polymerized yields long alkane chains.  You can then crack the polyethylene plastic into shorter chain hydrocarbons (liquid fuels).

The idea that we absolutely need fossil fuels is wrong.  It is just much, much cheaper to dig the stuff out of the ground than make the ingredients chemically.

 

You might have missed the point........

The concerns raised so far were

a) plastic waste as pollutant,

b) drying up of oil reserves  and

c) the urgency of alternatives, particularly renewable energy. 

d) tanking of investment

The only solution available officially so far is to ban usages of plastic bags, ban fossil fuel, reduce investment etc...

The discussion intended to point out that

 turning plastic waste into melted hydrocarbon can possibly be a three wins solution that solve problems of

1. plastic waste,

2. sustainability of fuel, or renewability of it when it happens in a cycle, and

3. the new direction of investment in possibly new renewable... ( Besides hydro, wind and solar)... 

Polar animal facing threat of starvation due to disruption of food chain, losing of habitats etc induced by various reasons. Photo below shows how some people increase survival rate of a pet penguin by training it to buy food in the market...

This bring us to the key:

Existing problems of fossil fuel, renewable, pollution, climate change, wasteful investment might have been in a stand still. We have not gone passed the cycle of using same solution provided more than 80 years ago, facing the same problems and new ones, and repeating with larger scale......

We might need to be doing things differently to get different outcomes... 

[Rob Plant + 2,308]

23 hours ago, specinho said:

You might have missed the point........

The concerns raised so far were

a) plastic waste as pollutant,

b) drying up of oil reserves  and

c) the urgency of alternatives, particularly renewable energy. 

d) tanking of investment

The only solution available officially so far is to ban usages of plastic bags, ban fossil fuel, reduce investment etc...

The discussion intended to point out that

 turning plastic waste into melted hydrocarbon can possibly be a three wins solution that solve problems of

1. plastic waste,

2. sustainability of fuel, or renewability of it when it happens in a cycle, and

3. the new direction of investment in possibly new renewable... ( Besides hydro, wind and solar)... 

Polar animal facing threat of starvation due to disruption of food chain, losing of habitats etc induced by various reasons. Photo below shows how some people increase survival rate of a pet penguin by training it to buy food in the market...

This bring us to the key:

Existing problems of fossil fuel, renewable, pollution, climate change, wasteful investment might have been in a stand still. We have not gone passed the cycle of using same solution provided more than 80 years ago, facing the same problems and new ones, and repeating with larger scale......

We might need to be doing things differently to get different outcomes... 

Ahhh to be living in Lala land!

[Ron Wagner + 523]

On 5/20/2023 at 10:44 PM, turbguy said:

You do realize that unions gave you and I this thing called "the weekend", no??

Yes, that was long ago. I had to work half the day on Saturdays in the army however. But I did get four weeks paid vacation. Americans get far less vacation than Europeans do and retirement funds are almost non-existent in private companies. A 401K is not a comparable idea. Most companies today have little appreciation for their workers and will only give minimal benefits. When I first went to work for Tidewater Oil company I got a medical plan and some other benefits right away. 

Unions have a place, but most unionized workers are government employees and are Demoncrat voters who end up supporting anyone that they put up for office. They are also expected to pay dues which go for Democrats and not object to union leadership. Getting a government job, at any level, often entails being liberal and promising to donate to Democrats. In my opinion we are seeing a very corrupt Demoncrat government that just stole an election through controlling the media, and endlessly persecuting and undermining President Trump. Democrats don't care, as long as they win.

[TailingsPond + 176]

33 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Yes, that was long ago. I had to work half the day on Saturdays in the army however. But I did get four weeks paid vacation. Americans get far less vacation than Europeans do and retirement funds are almost non-existent in private companies. A 401K is not a comparable idea. Most companies today have little appreciation for their workers and will only give minimal benefits. When I first went to work for Tidewater Oil company I got a medical plan and some other benefits right away. 

Unions have a place, but most unionized workers are government employees and are Demoncrat voters who end up supporting anyone that they put up for office. They are also expected to pay dues which go for Democrats and not object to union leadership. Getting a government job, at any level, often entails being liberal and promising to donate to Democrats. In my opinion we are seeing a very corrupt Democrat government that just stole an election through controlling the media, and endlessly persecuting and undermining President Trump. Democrats don't care, as long as they win.

There are plenty of non-governmental unions.  Autoworkers, steel, electrical, etc.   At least you do seem to acknowledge that employees without union representation are mistreated compared to others.  Workers need to fight for their rights or they won't get any.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_labor_unions_in_the_United_States

The election was not stolen, Trump tried but failed.  Even your explanation has changed, no longer is it voter fraud / Dominion etc.  Now it is 'media control.'  Meanwhile it's the conservative media who are the ones getting in trouble for broadcasting lies, and paying dearly for it. 

You were suckered, accept it and move on. 

Edited May 23 by TailingsPond

[Rob Plant + 2,308]

Petrobras Set To Raise Investments In Low-Carbon Energy Projects

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Petrobras-Set-To-Raise-Investments-In-Low-Carbon-Energy-Projects.html

Yep Mark's right cant seem to find any new investments in renewables! Oh wait.....

[notsonice + 773]

Nat Gas getting hammered today ....love the reason

Natural Gas Prices Plunge Further Amid Rise In U.S. Stockpiles

 

those pesky solar panels and wind turbines stealing electricity market share away from Coal and Nat gas

Prices in Europe have also nose-dived on weak demand, while European inventories remain higher than normal and renewable energy output has increased.

[Boat + 1,300]

On 5/21/2023 at 2:58 AM, specinho said:

You might have missed the point........

The concerns raised so far were

a) plastic waste as pollutant,

b) drying up of oil reserves  and

c) the urgency of alternatives, particularly renewable energy. 

d) tanking of investment

The only solution available officially so far is to ban usages of plastic bags, ban fossil fuel, reduce investment etc...

The discussion intended to point out that

 turning plastic waste into melted hydrocarbon can possibly be a three wins solution that solve problems of

1. plastic waste,

2. sustainability of fuel, or renewability of it when it happens in a cycle, and

3. the new direction of investment in possibly new renewable... ( Besides hydro, wind and solar)... 

Polar animal facing threat of starvation due to disruption of food chain, losing of habitats etc induced by various reasons. Photo below shows how some people increase survival rate of a pet penguin by training it to buy food in the market...

This bring us to the key:

Existing problems of fossil fuel, renewable, pollution, climate change, wasteful investment might have been in a stand still. We have not gone passed the cycle of using same solution provided more than 80 years ago, facing the same problems and new ones, and repeating with larger scale......

We might need to be doing things differently to get different outcomes... 

Tanking investment for renewables? It was reported more money will go to solar than oil in 2023. My foreign buddies still can’t keep up.