NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 10 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: There is ZERO interconnector Europe wide. Greece is not tied to the UK. Spain/Africa are NOT tied to the UK. Start with Electrical production needs to increase by 4X minimum which means ~25% load X 4X = 100% current total load of "interconnector" required or thereabouts assuming most power comes from other backup. 1st interconnector between spain/France is just now discussing being built and a mere ~5GW(technically they are connected but in effect trade zero power). You are going to need ~200GW-->500GW minimum and more than likely MUCH higher. I'll let you try and built 500GW power lines from Spain northwards, let alone the area to actually harvest said small amount of wind. I am sure the locals will just "LOVE" such right of way... To put it in simple terms for you and Eyes wide shut the widespread interconnectors in Europe have a pendulum effect across the whole continent. A typical scenario Its really windy over the UK and Ireland. Wholesale prices fall (traded in 15 / 30 min blocks) and there is fair amount of predictability here anyway. Ireland backfills into the UK. French, Belgium, Dutch and Norwegian utilities take advantage and buy up power. Particularly in the case of France and Norway this allows them to idle / throttle back Hydro & charge up pump storage systems. This influx of electricity drops prices in their markets so it becomes attractive to buy by neighbouring countries - Germany, Italy who can throttle back gas and coal use (they are all generally net importers), idle Hydro. In Italy's case it has a direct interconnect with Greece so if the pricing is right Greece starts buying up power from Italy. Norway can flog that power back to UK or other European countries when prices are right You see similar patterns happen when solar / wind output in Spain and Germany are very high. You can see it all working here - virtually in real time Electricity Maps | Live 24/7 CO₂ emissions of electricity consumption 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 10 hours ago, RichieRich$ said: Good read, Meridith, You can pretty much count out The State of Florida, and New home insurance guidelines are you will not get a policy if you have Solar Panels on your roof. It seems that the hurricane seasons have shown that roofs with Solar Panels tend to have more wind damage because the Solar Panels mount in a way that grabs more surface air which puts more strain on the top of the roofs. What few Insurance Companies are left in Florida and the State-run Citizens is the insurer of the last resort, will not begin to cover homes with Solar Panels on the roofs. The potential answer there is to integrate into the roof so air cant get under the panels. This will reduce performance marginally but not excessively so. Amazing attitude in a state that's basically a sand spit 3 metres above current sea levels Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 Anther overlooked aspect by our naysayers is the increasing prevalence of demand response to intermittent supplies The company I work for is building a new data centre. Our old data centre has to draw electricity off the grid continually and has at least 5 1MW emergency diesel gen sets to cover power cuts etc. These have to be cycled regularly along with servicing and the stinky fumes they produce etc. The New data centres cooling system is based on having 10 million litres of 50/ 50 water propylene glycol in heavily insulated tanks that can be chilled down to about -28 deg C. The cooling system (there are 4/5 units) can turn on and off in response to electricity prices. Today UK wholesale prices are bottoming out at around £60 / Mwh and peaking around £128. The system can simply buy the cheapest power and coast through the peak periods. 5200 m2 (1.2MW & 1.4 million kwh/y ) of solar are going on the roof along with a battery pack that allows for about 24 hours emergency operation (electrics and glycol circulation) . We will still have a couple of smaller emergency generators. 10 million litres of antifreeze at -28c is a massive cold thermal store so its allowed us to do away with most of the emergency generators as the system can operate for 5-7 days with no power except that needed to circulate. We will even recycle the heat for office space & hot water Added bonus is National Grid will pay us a fee for switching off on demand at certain peak demand times. This reduces the need to operate highly inefficient OCGT plant. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 May 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, NickW said: To put it in simple terms for you and Eyes wide shut the widespread interconnectors in Europe have a pendulum effect across the whole continent. Ya Don't Say..... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. Governments across Europe have announced €674 billion ($696 billion) in handouts and subsidies to alleviate the burden of skyrocketing energy prices between September 2021 and October 2022, according to Bruegel, the Brussels-based think tank. The money includes €264 billion in Germany alone and the equivalent of €97 billion in the United Kingdom. This is on top of what households and businesses are paying in higher energy bills even after the subsidies. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/european-green-energy-fiasco-is-terrifying-warning-us-this-winter European green energy fiasco is a terrifying warning for US this winter Renewable energy proves unreliable, so Europeans turn to coal and nuclear as they face crisis By James M https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-green-energy-revoltgermanys-green-energy-revolt-1510848988 Germany’s Green Energy Meltdown Voters promised a virtuous revolution get coal and high prices instead. American climate-change activists point to Europe, and especially Germany, as the paragon of green energy virtue. But they ought to look closer at Angela Merkel’s political struggles as she tries to form a new government in Berlin amid the economic fallout from the Chancellor’s failing energy revolution. Berlin last month conceded it will miss its 2020 carbon emissions-reduction goal, having cut emissions by just under 30% compared with 1990 instead of the 40% that Mrs. Merkel promised. The goal of 55% by 2030 is almost surely out of reach. Edited May 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say..... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. Governments across Europe have announced €674 billion ($696 billion) in handouts and subsidies to alleviate the burden of skyrocketing energy prices between September 2021 and October 2022, according to Bruegel, the Brussels-based think tank. The money includes €264 billion in Germany alone and the equivalent of €97 billion in the United Kingdom. This is on top of what households and businesses are paying in higher energy bills even after the subsidies. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/european-green-energy-fiasco-is-terrifying-warning-us-this-winter European green energy fiasco is a terrifying warning for US this winter Renewable energy proves unreliable, so Europeans turn to coal and nuclear as they face crisis By James M https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-green-energy-revoltgermanys-green-energy-revolt-1510848988 Germany’s Green Energy Meltdown Voters promised a virtuous revolution get coal and high prices instead. American climate-change activists point to Europe, and especially Germany, as the paragon of green energy virtue. But they ought to look closer at Angela Merkel’s political struggles as she tries to form a new government in Berlin amid the economic fallout from the Chancellor’s failing energy revolution. Berlin last month conceded it will miss its 2020 carbon emissions-reduction goal, having cut emissions by just under 30% compared with 1990 instead of the 40% that Mrs. Merkel promised. The goal of 55% by 2030 is almost surely out of reach. Hilarious Mr Magoo You post a link claiming 'Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter' which was written in November 2022. As of May 2023 Europe kept the lights on and weathered the situation to a point where gas prices are back to 2021 levels. Better still you post a link to a 2017 article to back your position up🤡. You may have heard, but probably not, that Russia invaded Ukraine in Feb 2022. Europe was purchasing approximately half its gas from Russia. It now purchases very little. That is the overwhelming reason why gas prices spiked in 2022 and dragged coal prices upwards too. 2017, as per your article link😅 was during the period that it was assumed that Europe would continue its cosy energy supply situation from Russia. Contrary to the talking heads on Fox / WSJ investment in wind / solar / other green energy sources / and end use efficiency have helped reduce vulnerability to supply shocks as Europe is a significant net importer of energy. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,605 RP May 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya Don't Say..... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. Governments across Europe have announced €674 billion ($696 billion) in handouts and subsidies to alleviate the burden of skyrocketing energy prices between September 2021 and October 2022, according to Bruegel, the Brussels-based think tank. The money includes €264 billion in Germany alone and the equivalent of €97 billion in the United Kingdom. This is on top of what households and businesses are paying in higher energy bills even after the subsidies. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/european-green-energy-fiasco-is-terrifying-warning-us-this-winter European green energy fiasco is a terrifying warning for US this winter Renewable energy proves unreliable, so Europeans turn to coal and nuclear as they face crisis By James M https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-green-energy-revoltgermanys-green-energy-revolt-1510848988 Germany’s Green Energy Meltdown Voters promised a virtuous revolution get coal and high prices instead. American climate-change activists point to Europe, and especially Germany, as the paragon of green energy virtue. But they ought to look closer at Angela Merkel’s political struggles as she tries to form a new government in Berlin amid the economic fallout from the Chancellor’s failing energy revolution. Berlin last month conceded it will miss its 2020 carbon emissions-reduction goal, having cut emissions by just under 30% compared with 1990 instead of the 40% that Mrs. Merkel promised. The goal of 55% by 2030 is almost surely out of reach. EWO sorry but this is utter BS! The ONLY reason Europe had sky high energy bills last winter was the ludicrously expensive NG because of the war in Ukraine, there was a lag from the massive cost hikes to the consumer of about 6 months. Renewables didnt just happen overnight weve had them for decades and didnt have sky rocketing energy bills, actually the opposite! See current chart and you'll see how NG prices are back to normal (although these reductions havent yet been fully passed to the average household) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price-country/ Funny how all the people on here from Europe say the same thing and people from other continents disagree, unbelievable! Your link is frankly incredibly lazy journalism by the WSJ and factually incorrect and misleading. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 67 LT May 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: EWO sorry but this is utter BS! The ONLY reason Europe had sky high energy bills last winter was the ludicrously expensive NG because of the war in Ukraine, there was a lag from the massive cost hikes to the consumer of about 6 months. Renewables didnt just happen overnight weve had them for decades and didnt have sky rocketing energy bills, actually the opposite! See current chart and you'll see how NG prices are back to normal (although these reductions havent yet been fully passed to the average household) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price-country/ Funny how all the people on here from Europe say the same thing and people from other continents disagree, unbelievable! Your link is frankly incredibly lazy journalism by the WSJ and factually incorrect and misleading. For the record, I am from another continent, and I can't tell you how much enjoy it when you and NickW (plus a few others) constantly school the deniers (mostly EWO and Eco). It is beyond entertaining. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,129 May 16, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, NickW said: 🤡 Why on earth would you need to build a 200GW / 500GW interconnector between Spain and France. Spains entire generating capacity is 79GW I knew you were small brained, but this statement takes the cake. This is the equivalent of saying NE USA with ~200 Million people doesn't need a giant interconnector to SW USA for solar or the Plains for wind. In case you need a map, that is vastly greater distance than Greece to the UK by the way... Edited May 16, 2023 by footeab@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: I knew you were small brained, but this statement takes the cake. This is the equivalent of saying NE USA with ~200 Million people doesn't need a giant interconnector to SW USA for solar or the Plains for wind. In case you need a map, that is vastly greater distance than Greece to the UK by the way... Jesus - do you have a passport? You every travelled outside of your state / county / farmstead? Europes quite densely populated. Most power is consumed within its country of production. The interconnectors simply allow for a proportion to be transferred. Spain and portugal are basically a cul de sac bar a small interconnector with Morocco as far as the electric grid goes. Why would they need an interconnector 3/4/5x their entire generating capacity? Even if they went 100% renewable they have about 22GW of Hydro plus biomass 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 May 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, NickW said: Hilarious Mr Magoo You post a link claiming 'Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter' which was written in November 2022. As of May 2023 Europe kept the lights on and weathered the situation to a point where gas prices are back to 2021 levels. Better still you post a link to a 2017 article to back your position up🤡. You may have heard, but probably not, that Russia invaded Ukraine in Feb 2022. Europe was purchasing approximately half its gas from Russia. It now purchases very little. That is the overwhelming reason why gas prices spiked in 2022 and dragged coal prices upwards too. 2017, as per your article link😅 was during the period that it was assumed that Europe would continue its cosy energy supply situation from Russia. Contrary to the talking heads on Fox / WSJ investment in wind / solar / other green energy sources / and end use efficiency have helped reduce vulnerability to supply shocks as Europe is a significant net importer of energy. Mr Magoo...lmao your dating yourself. At your age you by now now well the dangers of obsessive behavior, for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions. Such a waste of assets and time. Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Edited May 16, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 Just now, Eyes Wide Open said: Mr Magoo...lmao your dating yourself. At your age you by now now well the dangers of obsessive behavior, for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions. Such a waste of assets and time. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Great news isn't it. That's reduced European demand for gas by about 3200MW equivalent. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Mr Magoo...lmao your dating yourself. At your age you by now now well the dangers of obsessive behavior, for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions. Such a waste of assets and time. Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html This has nothing to do with renewables. The article itself explains the price spike was due to the fact Finland had banned the import of Russian electricity so was competing for supplies - largely from Sweden. The impact of the opening of this plant has knock on (pendulum) effects as described earlier. Finland no longer needs to import large amounts of electricity from Sweden which means its available for export into mainland Europe. Its also significantly reduced Finlands gas and coal burn. The opening of this plant couldn't have come at a better time and shakes the Russian energy yoke off Finlands back. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,063 DM May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: EWO sorry but this is utter BS! The ONLY reason Europe had sky high energy bills last winter was the ludicrously expensive NG because of the war in Ukraine, there was a lag from the massive cost hikes to the consumer of about 6 months. Renewables didnt just happen overnight weve had them for decades and didnt have sky rocketing energy bills, actually the opposite! See current chart and you'll see how NG prices are back to normal (although these reductions havent yet been fully passed to the average household) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price-country/ Funny how all the people on here from Europe say the same thing and people from other continents disagree, unbelievable! Your link is frankly incredibly lazy journalism by the WSJ and factually incorrect and misleading. Mr Magoo lives in a state that is almost entirely renewables............and in a state that has super low electricity costs because of green power He lives in a state that is almost all Hydro power with some wind and solar He loves spreading mis information because he is a Trumper who lost and is upset that the Green Revolution is spreading and is popular. He will quote old news and ignore the fact that Nat Gas prices went through the roof in the US because of the Russian invasion. He is not a typical American....He is just an old fool that is in love with Trump and does not know how to accept losing His posts are utter BS babble meant to cause disruption and to spread lies as he thinks this is a path to reinstall Trump He knows what the truth is, however he is incapable of accepting it because his boss, Trump, tells him to. He is unable to remove his political views from reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,063 DM May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, NickW said: Great news isn't it. That's reduced European demand for gas by about 3200MW equivalent. the death of Fossil fuels....one nuclear plant at a time Finland Rocks Russia Sucks 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,129 May 16, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, NickW said: Great news isn't it. That's reduced European demand for gas by about 3200MW equivalent. No, nuclear displays in BIG RED letters what a JOKE solar/wind are Edited May 16, 2023 by footeab@yahoo.com 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 May 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: No, nuclear displays in BIG RED letters what a JOKE solar/wind are I get a sense the mystical Hammer Of Thor is about to lay waste to a embattled...beaten down..morally corrupt Wind Energy Cult..They have burdened Europe with generational debt.. https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant As other European countries turn to alternative sources of energy production such as nuclear, some have ignored the benefits and chosen to plunge themselves into debt because of a notion that nuclear isn’t an acceptable energy source in the modern day. By Thomas Brooke of Remix News via Edited May 17, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 May 17, 2023 7 hours ago, notsonice said: Mr Magoo lives in a state that is almost entirely renewables............and in a state that has super low electricity costs because of green power He lives in a state that is almost all Hydro power with some wind and solar He loves spreading mis information because he is a Trumper who lost and is upset that the Green Revolution is spreading and is popular. He will quote old news and ignore the fact that Nat Gas prices went through the roof in the US because of the Russian invasion. He is not a typical American....He is just an old fool that is in love with Trump and does not know how to accept losing His posts are utter BS babble meant to cause disruption and to spread lies as he thinks this is a path to reinstall Trump He knows what the truth is, however he is incapable of accepting it because his boss, Trump, tells him to. He is unable to remove his political views from reality. And the band played on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,605 RP May 17, 2023 14 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Mr Magoo...lmao your dating yourself. At your age you by now now well the dangers of obsessive behavior, for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions. Such a waste of assets and time. Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html LMAO You post this and state "for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions" and yet the very article itself says this "Energy prices had risen sharply in the Scandinavian country after the Finnish government banned electricity imports from neighboring Russia last year due to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine." Are you suggesting then that the power they were getting from Russia was renewables? and the switch to nuclear has reduced this, if so I cannot imagine a more stupid conclusion. Just explain to anyone on this site how your link has anything whatsoever to do with renewable energy generation. And then you get Footinmouth agreeing with you as he as has been shown before on this site that he cant read. If he could he would have read and understood it was NG from Russian imports. 🤡 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,063 DM May 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob Plant said: LMAO You post this and state "for example below ends the entire green dream obsessions" and yet the very article itself says this "Energy prices had risen sharply in the Scandinavian country after the Finnish government banned electricity imports from neighboring Russia last year due to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine." Are you suggesting then that the power they were getting from Russia was renewables? and the switch to nuclear has reduced this, if so I cannot imagine a more stupid conclusion. Just explain to anyone on this site how your link has anything whatsoever to do with renewable energy generation. And then you get Footinmouth agreeing with you as he as has been shown before on this site that he cant read. If he could he would have read and understood it was NG from Russian imports. 🤡 And then you get Footinmouth agreeing with you???.... the blind leading the blind Edited May 17, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 17, 2023 11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: No, nuclear displays in BIG RED letters what a JOKE solar/wind are It only took them 18 years to build Olikouto 3 and produce the first Kwh........ You want to consider the construction in times for large wind farms and the fact these are modular so you can build them in parts and get them operational before the whole farm is completed (same story for solar). To clarify though I am in favour of both nuclear and renewables. Anything but Russia gas for Europe. Infact I'd rather import US coal than buy Russian gas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I get a sense the mystical Hammer Of Thor is about to lay waste to a embattled...beaten down..morally corrupt Wind Energy Cult..They have burdened Europe with generational debt.. https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant As other European countries turn to alternative sources of energy production such as nuclear, some have ignored the benefits and chosen to plunge themselves into debt because of a notion that nuclear isn’t an acceptable energy source in the modern day. By Thomas Brooke of Remix News via While I am in favour of nuclear do you realise it took them 18 years to build this plant. 18 years before the first Kwh produced. I agree nuclear is very reliable baseload but one advantage that wind and solar have is it is very modular. In the UK the grid connections are built first. Then as the turbines / panels are installed they are connected to the grid. An offshore windfarm maybe generating and contributing to the grid 12-18 months before its official opening (Prince xyz pressing a symbolic button) Edit - regarding Filand its a country of 5.5 million people and just commissioned one the worlds biggest single reactor nukes - the impact was always going to be profound given the size of the country relative to that investment. Edited May 17, 2023 by NickW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I get a sense the mystical Hammer Of Thor is about to lay waste to a embattled...beaten down..morally corrupt Wind Energy Cult..They have burdened Europe with generational debt.. https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant As other European countries turn to alternative sources of energy production such as nuclear, some have ignored the benefits and chosen to plunge themselves into debt because of a notion that nuclear isn’t an acceptable energy source in the modern day. By Thomas Brooke of Remix News via You are like a parrot spouting the same carp that has proven to be complete tosh. There were no major struggles over the winter. Europe kept its lights on through a variety of measures. In the UK several energy companies ran incentives schemes to reduce usage at certain peak times which was entirely voluntary . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I get a sense the mystical Hammer Of Thor is about to lay waste to a embattled...beaten down..morally corrupt Wind Energy Cult..They have burdened Europe with generational debt.. https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-pays-for-green-energy-illusions-fuel-crisis-costs-11668451698 Europe is struggling to keep its lights and the heat on this winter, and fuel supply is only half of the energy crisis. The other half, now coming into view, is the ruinous fiscal cost associated with the failure of green-energy flights of fancy. European taxpayers will pay this bill for years to come. https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Electricity-Prices-Plunge-By-75-As-Finland-Opens-New-Nuclear-Power-Plant.html Electricity Prices Plunge By 75% As Finland Opens New Nuclear Power Plant As other European countries turn to alternative sources of energy production such as nuclear, some have ignored the benefits and chosen to plunge themselves into debt because of a notion that nuclear isn’t an acceptable energy source in the modern day. By Thomas Brooke of Remix News via Now lets take the logic spanner to the claim about Europeans saddling themselves with debt on the back of renewables List of countries by government debt - Wikipedia it would appear that the only major European economy with more debt as a % of GDP than the USA is Italy. Everyone else has a lower debt profile. Well fancy that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW May 17, 2023 (edited) Interesting LCOE for different fuel sources Edited May 17, 2023 by NickW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,605 RP May 17, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NickW said: Interesting LCOE for different fuel sources Yeah renewables clearly costing us a fortune and rocketing up in cost! lol Cant understand why everyone is investing in them can you? Great graph NickW! Edited May 17, 2023 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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