Big Brother Is Watching You: Chinese ‘Gait Recognition’ Tech IDs People By How They Walk

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

13 minutes ago, Rodent said:

awwww.. so cute!!

Yeah, bless his heart.  And unicorns will fly over the rainbows.  No leader would ever think of using such tech against good people, don't you know.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 11/6/2018 at 9:34 AM, Danial Gable said:

in actuality, its this type of technology that will allow people to flourish peacefully amongst  one another. And although this may be chinese technology, this will be used in the most violent and abhorrent places on the planet, which is along long ways from where china is. 

Are you Chinese by any chance?

[Epic + 390]

14 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

You can defeat the combination Administrative State and Surveillance State by some simple adjustments to your lifestyle.  Here goes

^Good tips.  You might be thinking that Jan is half-sarcastically saying these things, especially about the FAA, but I've actually seen that one work in an airport (no joke).  

13 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

I'll do @Epic a solid and bring him into this.

^Thanks Dan!  I've been busy with work lately, and so I've missed out on a lot of good discussions!

...

@Danial Gable

So, luckily, I've am actually privy to some info concerning the topics in this post, and I hope that I can help to clarify somethings on this thread. 

So, Danial Gable is right about this, and he is wrong...depending on the definitions we are using.  So, lets start with definitions. 

How one defines 'privacy' is important, because there are many types of privacy, and in order to ensure justice, some types of privacy must be violated, and some types must not be violated.  So first, the type of privacy that cannot be violated under any circumstance is privacy that is needed in order to protect something of value.  So, for instance, I have a right to keep my bank account password private.  Such information should never become public because if it would become public, then all of my money would soon be sent to an off-shore Swiss account belonging to someone else (which would cause me much harm!).  Also, there is certain information that must be kept private because that information fosters relationships.  In other words, when one can entrust a close group of people with certain personal information, that sharing of personal information helps to foster relationships between those people, bringing them closer together.  Making such info public would thus disrupt that beneficial effect of bringing those people into stronger and healthier relationships.  The most obvious example of such private information would be that shared between a man and his wife.

So, to sum up the first type of privacy: there is information that must be kept private because releasing such information into the public would result in harm to someone.  

Secondly, the opposite is also true: there is information that must NOT be kept private because keeping it private could end up hurting someone.  For instance, withholding knowledge about STDs with potential intimate partners could result in serious harm to those partners.  Or also, in Danial's case, if you are a rapist and you successfully keep your identity private, then the victim loses out on seeing justice served.  Or another way of thinking of this is to imagine that every human interaction functions like a written contract.  Withholding material information during the writing of a contract could cause the contract to become void since it unfairly prevents people from free-willed decision-making, and when failure to disclose material info results in harm to one party, it can lead to punitive damages in court (and possibly jail time).  Moreover, there is no real difference between a written contractual situation and the same situation with an unwritten contract (proving the unwritten contract is harder to do in court, but both are equally upheld in court).  If one fails to disclose material information by keeping it private, then the other party may become unjustly harmed.  So, in order to protect both parties during any human interaction, all material information ought to be disclosed when such information exists. 

When Danial mentions the benefits of releasing private data, he is here speaking about this second type of information.   Namely (and as silly as this may sound), when it comes to criminal actions, the private data of which Danial is speaking is it is simply the name and address of the criminal.  For instance, how many rapists leave a business card with their victim?  None.  Why?  Because the criminal is attempting to keep information (their name and address) private so that they can avoid being brought to justice.  Avoiding being brought to justice leads to additional harm for the victim (and to future victims since the criminal is not jailed); thus, according to the rules provided above (that material information must be disclosed if that info would protect people), the rapist ought to disclose his identity to the victim.  A surveillance system could ensure such disclosure occurs.  Moreover, knowing that such information is guaranteed to be disclosed to the victim by the surveillance system, the system would act to prevent any sane person from performing that illegal act in the first place, thereby protecting the victim from even becoming a victim.  Hence: Danial is right.

So, to sum up: in order to protect people, some info must be kept private, and some must be disclosed.  In this sense, when Danial says that everything must be made public, he is wrong, because there is some info that must be kept private in order to protect people.  However, Danial is actually right if we are talking only about that second type of info, since failing to disclose such information results in harm to people. 

So, the point Danial is making is that technology can be used to ensure that victims (and more importantly: law enforcement officers) will always be provided the name and address of every criminal.  Moreover, when any act is in question as to whether or not such an act constitutes a crime, that act will be recorded and forwarded to a grand jury so that there will be no question.  

Thus, crime ends, thanks to technology (well, cold-blooded crimes will end).  

But now for the real trick.  Once this surveillance system has collected name and addresses of all parties, as well as video/audio recording of the entire event, how do you know if this particular information should be kept privatized or disclosed?  Remember, only some info is supposed to be disclosed by the system...not all info!  Moreover, some info is supposed to be protected by the system so that it cannot be disclosed.  So how do we determine what is to be safely disclosed and what is to be safely protected?  Should we entrust that decision to the government?  Obviously not, because governments can (and often do) become corrupted.  In fact, there is no reason to believe that even a democratic Republic cannot become corrupted, and once corrupted, how does one know that it will not use this system to cause harm rather than to protect? 

So, should we instead entrust to social media conglomerates that decision to disclose/protect that info?  Again, they will decide based upon what generates the most revenue, not what is just and good.  Moreover, even if those corporations are regulated by governments, those government which do the regulating can still be corrupted (plus regulations can fail even if the governments are not corrupted).  ...and before we know it, some guy in Nigeria will have your bank account password and your wife will become a star on pornhub.  

So, since these surveillance systems can be used to do so much harm, should we simply eliminate them altogether?  

Of course not. 

Danial is absolutely correct in the sense that this technology can create safety and peace wherever they are implemented.  Fighting against this tech is like declaring war on peace (think about that for a minute).  Surveillance technology does work to create justice, fairness and peace, and it has worked to create these things for a long time.  After all, if audio/video surveillance does not work, then why are police officers required to wear body mics and body cams?  Who does the body cam protect?  Think about it...it protect both parties!  The police officer is protected against false accusations from the person he is interacting with, and that same person is protected against false accusations from the police officer.  You see, surveillance prevents falsehood, no matter who is creating that falsehood!  It keeps people honest...all of them.  Do you really think those surveillance cameras at the banks are there to stop bank robbers?  Actually, they are there primarily to stop the clerks from theft.  Sane people don't commit crimes if they know they will get caught, but if a teller knows a few thousand dollars will go unnoticed...well.... 

So, if a proper surveillance system is put in place, then all cold-blooded crimes will end.  In this sense, at least, Danial is right, except for one small detail: Danial is willing to put all of the power of that system into the hands of a government (which can be corrupted).  Although such a surveillance system (in the hands of an non-corrupted government) would stop citizens from harming other citizens, if that government was to become corrupted (or anyone working in the government was to become corrupted), then rather than protecting the citizens from each other, it would actually place those citizens at the mercy of their corrupted government and its officials, who could now do anything they so pleased, including rigging elections so they don't lose power, running sex trafficking rings, drug cartels, stock manipulations, Epstein Temples...you name it.  In other words, everyone under surveillance becomes a slave to those who control the surveillance system.  ...bad news,which is why Danial is not only right, he is wrong!  He is right that the technology can save us, but if it is put into the hands of corruptible people, he is wrong because it won't be used to save us...it will be used to enslave us.  (three little letters can make a BIG difference)

So, Danial is right because the technology he espouses is good, but he is wrong because he is willing to trust the control of that tech to corruptible things, such as governments and corporations.  The answer to this dilemma is actually quite simple: you put the surveillance system into the hands of something that can be trusted.  If the surveillance systems was controlled by an artificial intelligence retrieval system that was, in turn, protected by distributed ledger technology acting as a gatekeeper, then we would not need to trust corruptible people for the surveillance system to work properly.  As a result, we could trust math to ensure that the surveillance system is used only to protect us and never to harm anyone ever.   ...and last time I checked, 2 + 2 has always and will always equal 4 (or am I wrong to trust math?)  

To put it simply: if we incorporate the proper safeguards into the surveillance system, then Danial is correct: the surveillance system could be used to end cold-blooded crimes without imposing any risk to our personal freedoms. 

End crime.

It is that simple.   

You can rest assured, however, there are people working right now to create this system without such safeguards.  And they are doing this with the intent of placing that system into the hands of a government that is most likely already corrupted.  Unless we first create that same system WITH the safeguards built into it, then their corrupted system will be implemented instead, and then it will be used to enslave us.  Those of you who say, "No way will I allow such a surveillance system to be used on me," are like the people who once said, "No way am I going to allow Mr. Ford's little machine to put my 'Horse and Buggy Shop' out of business."  I'm sorry, but it's too late.  You are going to be surveilled one way or the other, and Jan's techniques will only get you so far as that surveillance system is continually updated to prevent such tactics.  So, you better make yourself aware of how these safeguards operate and how they can be implemented so you can work to ensure the right system is put in place where you live.  

Because you don't want to live where the wrong system gets put in place.

 

 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

4 hours ago, Epic said:

Because you don't want to live where the wrong system gets put in place.

 

Unfortunately, here in the USA we are already living where the wrong system is in place.

The "National Security Agency"  has this massive surveillance system set up in a huge building between Washington and Baltimore, where just about anything sent electronically is intercepted and stored.  The operators in there are bored, no surprise, so they have set up these algorithms where they can capture and extract from the data stream pictures of young lovers "sexting" each other.  Nude pictures of young women, especially those focused on the genitalia, are printed out in color and passed around, coupled with a "ratings" system of points, all amid great merriment.  

Why spend your time trying to interpret thousands of phone calls done in Arabic or Farsi when you can gawk at nude selfies? 

And so that is where the surveillance State breaks down.  The kids do things in the expectation of privacy, admittedly a naive idea.  So ask yourself: just who is this Government to spend billions so that immature operators inside the NSA can titillate themselves looking at sexting pictures?  

Are you offended?  I sure am. Since there is no immediate plausible way to unseat these bums and kick them out of government, the best you can do is adopt the anti-surveillance techniques I set forth above.  And there was nothing "half-sarcastic" about it;  those are the techniques I use all day long.  What people need to do is adopt the politics and policies of Resistance.  

[Mike Marcellus + 157]

3 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

And there was nothing "half-sarcastic" about it;  those are the techniques I use all day long.  What people need to do is adopt the politics and policies of Resistance.

 No offense intended here, but I thought you were half sarcastic too.  It seems like a lot of extra steps in your day,, but then again wearing a wide brim hat, and all the others can become as routine as anything else I suppose.

I took you as a self employed, business owner.  I don't see how you can remain anonymous, and conduct business.  I apologize if I have assumed , and well...

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

2 hours ago, Mike Marcellus said:

 No offense intended here, but I thought you were half sarcastic too.  It seems like a lot of extra steps in your day,, but then again wearing a wide brim hat, and all the others can become as routine as anything else I suppose.

I took you as a self employed, business owner.  I don't see how you can remain anonymous, and conduct business.  I apologize if I have assumed , and well...

I am a "self employed business owner."   The best place to hide is in plain sight. Nobody knows where I live, especially the govt.  Nobody knows where the business is, especially the govt.  I live in the far rural area, so there are no surveillance cameras.  Therefore no need for a hat, etc.  I don't need the hat in say New York City simply because there are too many faces in the street and walking behind a group provides its own cover.  Even if the camera picked me up, so what?  There are too many other faces so it gets buried in the clutter.  If you have to have your picture taken then scowl a bit, let one part of the jaw and lips purse and drop, and you have distorted the facial recognition scanner and the image they took is not going to correlate to your face on the street, assuming someone is even looking for you.  It is entirely possible to defeat any government  simply because the algorithms are all designed to snare average people with average habits.  It is like the cops looking for some perpetrator; they catch these guys by looking for their auto with a plate scanner.  If your plate is not in the scanner then they cannot find you and even those mobile scanner machines that can correlate 10,000 plates a minute cannot find yours if they run right past it. Once you understand the systems it is easy enough to defeat them.   Cheers. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

I am a "self employed business owner."   The best place to hide is in plain sight. Nobody knows where I live, especially the govt.  Nobody knows where the business is, especially the govt.  I live in the far rural area, so there are no surveillance cameras.  Therefore no need for a hat, etc.  I don't need the hat in say New York City simply because there are too many faces in the street and walking behind a group provides its own cover.  Even if the camera picked me up, so what?  There are too many other faces so it gets buried in the clutter.  If you have to have your picture taken then scowl a bit, let one part of the jaw and lips purse and drop, and you have distorted the facial recognition scanner and the image they took is not going to correlate to your face on the street, assuming someone is even looking for you.  It is entirely possible to defeat any government  simply because the algorithms are all designed to snare average people with average habits.  It is like the cops looking for some perpetrator; they catch these guys by looking for their auto with a plate scanner.  If your plate is not in the scanner then they cannot find you and even those mobile scanner machines that can correlate 10,000 plates a minute cannot find yours if they run right past it. Once you understand the systems it is easy enough to defeat them.   Cheers. 

Oh, my friend, the time is near....

It's a short 05:19 video, and it's worth watching:

China: "the world's biggest camera surveillance network" - BBC News

[Mike Marcellus + 157]

1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

Nobody knows where the business is, especially the govt.

I for one, love the idea, "off the grid" would be a comfortable place for me, (I'm fairly certain).

Even if you did not need to advertise, and your customers simply came to you, you still need to transact money for goods/services.   There is no paper/electronic trail from this???  Sorry Jan, I have respect for you, (Ever since the let's invade/rescue Venezuela thread) but it doesn't seem to add up.  

That said, this is ABSOLUTELY none of my business and I will accept that answer.

cheers, brother

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 minute ago, Mike Marcellus said:

  1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

Nobody knows where the business is, especially the govt.

Actually, I think that sentence just got us all picked up on some kind of algo alert ping thingy at the NSA.  😮

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

2 minutes ago, Mike Marcellus said:

I for one, love the idea, "off the grid" would be a comfortable place for me, (I'm fairly certain).

Even if you did not need to advertise, and your customers simply came to you, you still need to transact money for goods/services.   There is no paper/electronic trail from this???  Sorry Jan, I have respect for you, (Ever since the let's invade/rescue Venezuela thread) but it doesn't seem to add up.  

That said, this is ABSOLUTELY none of my business and I will accept that answer.

cheers, brother

Come on Mike!  Get creative!   The Canadian Border is only 40 miles away.  You get yourself a bank account in Canada in US Dollars, register to the address of some old college chum who lives up there, problem solved.  You sell via agents.  The agents interface with the customers. Why is this so difficult?  Your business card shows a mailbox drop that you set up in another city.  The Form you fill out goes to an address of another chum in another State, so anybody doing a search on that postal box application draws a blank.   This is not rocket science, it is living comfortably in plain sight right under the noses of the authorities, but making sure that every trail is a dead end. The best part of the joke is: they are looking for you some other place, and there you are, right underneath their noses!  I have to laugh.

Remember, people who work for the govt, especially the Federal Govt., are not particularly bright.  They don't know how to think.  If they did, they would not be working for Washington.  Those guys are all drones, remember that.  I run a factory with over a hundred men and nobody knows where it is.  Ya gotta love it. 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

18 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Oh, my friend, the time is near....

It's a short 05:19 video, and it's worth watching:

China: "the world's biggest camera surveillance network" - BBC News

So the solution to the China surveillance machine is obvious:  when you go out, you put on a size 38-C bra, stuff it, then a nice blouse with fringes, and a very long flowing skirt down to the ankles, and a Princess Diana-style broad-rimmed hat, and add an eye-patch, and nobody can find you.  Those cameras are not that good, because the designers are not that good.  And if all that does not work, spend ten bucks on a good-quality Nixon Mask and wear that!

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

3 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Come on Mike!  Get creative!   The Canadian Border is only 40 miles away.  You get yourself a bank account in Canada in US Dollars, register to the address of some old college chum who lives up there, problem solved.  You sell via agents.  The agents interface with the customers. Why is this so difficult?  Your business card shows a mailbox drop that you set up in another city.  The Form you fill out goes to an address of another chum in another State, so anybody doing a search on that postal box application draws a blank.   This is not rocket science, it is living comfortably in plain sight right under the noses of the authorities, but making sure that every trail is a dead end. The best part of the joke is: they are looking for you some other place, and there you are, right underneath their noses!  I have to laugh.

Remember, people who work for the govt, especially the Federal Govt., are not particularly bright.  They don't know how to think.  If they did, they would not be working for Washington.  Those guys are all drones, remember that.  I run a factory with over a hundred men and nobody knows where it is.  Ya gotta love it. 

Well, keep going.  What about our communications?  Like our phones?  Like this forum?  I use the best VPN I could find (paid, which might make the whole thing moot).  Is that good enough to stop anyone tracking where I am while I'm on this thread?

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 minute ago, Jan van Eck said:

So the solution to the China surveillance machine is obvious:  when you go out, you put on a size 38-C bra, stuff it, then a nice blouse with fringes, and a very long flowing skirt down to the ankles, and a Princess Diana-style broad-rimmed hat, and add an eye-patch, and nobody can find you.  Those cameras are not that good, because the designers are not that good.  And if all that does not work, spend ten bucks on a good-quality Nixon Mask and wear that!

I've been wanting to say I thought I saw YOU the other day, by your descriptions above.  But now I think you've seen ME, by this description.  Damn, and I thought the fringes and the eye-patch would work!

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

Just now, Dan Warnick said:

Well, keep going.  What about our communications?  Like our phones?  Like this forum?  I use the best VPN I could find (paid, which might make the whole thing moot).  Is that good enough to stop anyone tracking where I am while I'm on this thread?

Your phone line is in somebody else's name, that should be obvious.  Sure, in theory you could be tracked on this forum, but nobody is looking on this forum.  If you are freaked out about your internet and being traced, then you can buy a subscription on an internet service that is set up in Iceland and has everything in a vast sequence of encryption. But in my view that is getting carried away.  Remember that the sheer volume of stuff being sent is way beyond the ability of humans to read.  Stuff written on Oilprice is simply not interesting to the govt, mostly because nobody is posting nude photos of nubile young women on here.  Intellectual stuff on dull topics like the future price of oil is not attracting anyone in Washington, they are too stupid and dull-witted for that.  I can say anything I want on this Forum and nobody outside this community much cares, and nobody else is looking.  The point is to stay off Forums that attract the NSA surveillance state, places that advocate revolution, that sort of thing. Cheers. 

[Mike Marcellus + 157]

8 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

a factory with over a hundred men

...and no pay role taxes withheld?  No employment records,  No employee turn over?  Not a single disgruntled former employee?  all the hard work of hiding combined with too many opportunities for being found,, still not adding up

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

5 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

I've been wanting to say I thought I saw YOU the other day, by your descriptions above.  But now I think you've seen ME, by this description.  Damn, and I thought the fringes and the eye-patch would work!

You did see me!  I was that totally stunning blonde with the great long legs that strolled by you with the broad-rimmed hat. You wolf-whistled at me  (I won't tell your wife!)!

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

1 minute ago, Mike Marcellus said:

...and no pay role taxes withheld?  No employment records,  No employee turn over?  Not a single disgruntled former employee?  all the hard work of hiding combined with too many opportunities for being found,, still not adding up

Come on, Mike, what makes you think the plant is in my name?

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Come on, Mike, what makes you think the plant is in my name?

And the workers only know that stunning blonde with the great long legs that strolls by with the broad-rimmed hat.

[Mike Marcellus + 157]

1 minute ago, Jan van Eck said:

Come on, Mike, what makes you think the plant is in my name

Well my initial reaction was,,, you certainly receive the proceeds from the company, and, I imagine that is "do-able" on the down low.  But who's name is the plant in?  Who do you trust with not only your business, but your legacy, I would guess it would be family,,,, in which case they will find you.  If it's not family, then it is someone you trust very, very much.  Who could that be?

The only way I'm going to accept this is if you share that someone in your life sent you down this road before adulthood.  Because it would need the foresight.   

My dad was bent on not letting his kids get social security numbers.  But Then I turned 16, and wanted a driver's license.  Dad must have been busy that day,  'cause I ended up with a number and a license to drive. 

 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

6 minutes ago, Mike Marcellus said:

Well my initial reaction was,,, you certainly receive the proceeds from the company, and, I imagine that is "do-able" on the down low.  But who's name is the plant in?  Who do you trust with not only your business, but your legacy, I would guess it would be family,,,, in which case they will find you.  If it's not family, then it is someone you trust very, very much.  Who could that be?

The only way I'm going to accept this is if you share that someone in your life sent you down this road before adulthood.  Because it would need the foresight.   

My dad was bent on not letting his kids get social security numbers.  But Then I turned 16, and wanted a driver's license.  Dad must have been busy that day,  'cause I ended up with a number and a license to drive. 

 

Nothing wrong with a SS# as long as you never use it outside of s.s. business matters.  Run mine, and it comes up that I am dead. Oh, well. 

As to the factory, just because it is not in my name does not mean that I don't have control over it. I'm not going to say more, but since you are a bright guy you will surely figure out your own solutions to living comfortably in plain sight.  Cheers.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Nothing wrong with a SS# as long as you never use it outside of s.s. business matters.  Run mine, and it comes up that I am dead. Oh, well. 

As to the factory, just because it is not in my name does not mean that I don't have control over it. I'm not going to say more, but since you are a bright guy you will surely figure out your own solutions to living comfortably in plain sight.  Cheers.

I thought we were chatting with a live person!  Somehow I feel cheated, used, exploited even.  Back to therapy.....

[Rodent + 1,424]

1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

Well, keep going.  What about our communications?  Like our phones?  Like this forum?  I use the best VPN I could find (paid, which might make the whole thing moot).  Is that good enough to stop anyone tracking where I am while I'm on this thread?

Rodent sees all.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

1 minute ago, Rodent said:

Rodent sees all.

And you fellows better watch out not to cross the Rodi!  She really does wear that Stetson and the boots to go with it!  Huzzah!

[Danial Gable + 20]

@epic    

wow, thank you so much for clarifying this topic. I appreciate it, and learned alot from your explanation. ...

    As i stated before, the entire internet experience is already 100 percent monitored, even if you are using vpns or other methods to conceal you usage, your only fooling yourself.  And im curious what people are trying to hide from. Generally when i go out, im either going to do something super peaceful and fun, or else just going out to buy useless goods. Like what are people trying to hide from, you dont want to be identified buying cookies from Walmart.  Also its important to point out, that surveillance data collection is not being monitored by human beings, technically you are not being watched, but only recorded, and there for if you decide to rob a bank at some point, well then the data can be used. Just remember everyone, you are all irrelevant to the surveillance system until you cause violence, or harm, or private property destruction- this is when the system is utilized. Also these cameras will be able to detect drunk drivers, erratic behavior, physical violence, they will scan for weapons when you enter buildings..(pat-tsx) and will be utilized in so many great ways. thanks again Epic for your Epic explanation.

Edited November 10, 2018 by Danial Gable

[Danial Gable + 20]

Now in regards to china i would like to make a few points.  First and for most, The Chinese governence system, which is titled Communism, and is actually an empire - is principally based in science and philosophy. You are not allowed to practice religion and be a part of the ruling elite in china. The worlds largest atheist government...Thank god.  This unbroken chain of 5000 years of development rooted in science is one reason why china is poised to lead the world forward. Every great nation had the potential to do what china is doing but god has ruined the oppertunities.     In China, from principles of philosophy and science and not radical false beliefs about god, a deep rooted well being exists within this country.  At first i had massive culture shock when i first travelled to china, being from canada, but slowly was more and more mystified in what is happening here. It wasnt until i returned to Canada, and has since done about three years of continuous research on china have i been able to kind of unravel these theories.    To make a long story short- Confucianism is a set of philosophical belief systems rooted in humans, societies, communities and families.  Nature is looked at scientifically, and was never perverted into abrahamic type personifications of nature. In china it was laid out in front of you, no bul7sh*t.   In china, i believe, contrary to what chinese friends of mine have told me, that there is a deep inate scientific relationship with one another, a sort of -we are all in this together, lets make the best of what we have for prosperity for everyone, and yet still have a strong connection to the traditional ways of life such as simple pleasures, like good food, health and family. Dont get me wrong, china is a capitalist fien, however, deeprooted, almost unexplainable, and so so so important for the future of humanity is chinas way of being, because its such an important way to live i often hope that the strength of these beliefs can withstand abrahamic assualts, and so far i strongly believe they have. So my point with this, is if china is at a point in its development where it can deploy these types of technologies, who are we to say.  If this is what china believes is the best way forward for there advanced society, and quite frankly fits my vision to a tee, then from what ive learned and researched and from what ive seen for myself while being in china, im kind of like, just do it................