Red + 252 RK January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Illurion said: As usual, no, i will not do your research for you. I told you what to search by. Have fun. And, as usual, You presented no evidence either. As the ABC and BBC would have to justify any reporting that did not meet their charter, it would be available for all to see. You are right in that I cannot provide the evidence you would like because the evidence is available counter intuitively. You should hold firm to your delusions because I would hate for you to prove me wrong 💭. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 5, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Kit Moore said: Hi @Rasmus Jorgensen, this article may help and confirms mandatory quotas were introduced. I'm not at my desk for much longer and unfortunately won't have time to look up the actual legislative text: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/11/eu-may-scrap-refugee-quota-scheme-donald-tusk and a slightly later article - https://www.euronews.com/2018/01/25/eu-seeks-compromise-on-migrant-quotas I am based in the UK and there has been "unrest" regarding immigration, which was expressed in the Brexit result. Albeit not the entire reason for the result, but it did factor highly in the decision. I myself have no problem with immigration - but completely uncontrolled, and forced to accept quotas of migrants (both economic and refugees) is unrealistic and that I do not support. Thanks Kit. The point I was trying to make is that @Tom Kirkman are way off the facts and take things out of context. I will explain: The UN refugee convention states that members must receive and give shelter to legimate refugees, asylum seekers. It is somewhat vague on how these refugees must be treated. The EU Ireland convention says that refugees must be processed in the first in the Union where they arrive. When the mass influx of Libyan & Syrian refugees came that meant that primarily Italy and Greece bore brunt of the pain. As a response the EU decided that all member states should share the burden according to a distribution rather than let a few suffer due to geography. A fair idea to me! Tom talks about economic migrants. Something the EU or UN does not require anybody to receive. The real challenge is seperating real refugees from economic migrants. This an enforcement problem - it has nothing to do with rules that EU or UN impose. So Tom either deliberately takes things out of context or he doesn't bother to research. ps. I am NOT pro uncotrolled immigration either. I am saying that immigration is the consequence of unfair trade practices towards Africa and our intervention in the ME. Edited January 5, 2019 by Rasmus Jorgensen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Illurion said: Yes, they are. The EU has threatened Poland, Hungary, and several others about it because they refuse to take them. And no, i am not going to do your research for you. Read what your own left-wing media says about it. I know this topic. You clearly don't See my response to @Tom Kirkman I starting to think the reason you do not want to do research is that you are scared of what you will find... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TXPower + 643 TP January 5, 2019 Seems pretty clear. Unless, of course, this article was fake news. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/10/european-commission-migrant-quota-plan-mediterranean-crisis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 5, 2019 Yellow vests marching in Denver, USA. Any peep from Mainstream Media? Most pics too large for me to post here, exceed 2MB file size. https://www.facebook.com/YellowVestUS/videos/271291220202927/ More screen shots, it was a mix of different groups of people. There was one idiot at the end “who was not with the march” screaming at the Yellow Vests that he goes to college and hates white people “he was a white kid — snowflake” then he walked away sipping his Starbucks coffee, f*cking dumbass…. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 22 hours ago, Red said: As the ABC and BBC would have to justify any reporting that did not meet their charter, it would be available for all to see. You are right in that I cannot provide the evidence you would like because the evidence is available counter intuitively. You should hold firm to your delusions because I would hate for you to prove me wrong 💭. Here is some evidence out in the last hour or so about NBC. A 30 year journalist with NBC just quit, and sent out an over 2000 word email explaining that he left because NBC is essentially corrupt from a journalistic point of view. The link below lists some excerpts from his email. Hope to see the full email reach print soon, but remember, the MSM will now do everything they can to squelch it, and slander him. https://trueconservativepundit.com/2019/01/05/veteran-reporter-leaves-nbc-accusing-them-of-supporting-perpetual-war-and-threat-mongering/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Illurion said: Here is some evidence out in the last hour or so about NBC. Linking to sources that do not have to abide by a charter ultimately responsive to parliament only proves that they can do and say what they want, with laws of slander/libel/vilification their likely remedy. Otherwise I am not sure what you are trying to show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: I know this topic. You clearly don't See my response to @Tom Kirkman I starting to think the reason you do not want to do research is that you are scared of what you will find... Then you think wrong on both points. Perhaps you should call the Leaders of Poland, and Hungary, and tell them that they are just imagining all of the threats they receive from the EU bureaucrats that you and Red say do not exist. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 6, 2019 The UK Daily Mail, from 2017 EU threatens Poland and Hungary with SANCTIONS if they do not start taking in migrants and reduce the burden on Greece and Italy 3 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, Red said: Linking to sources that do not have to abide by a charter ultimately responsive to parliament only proves that they can do and say what they want, with laws of slander/libel/vilification their likely remedy. Otherwise I am not sure what you are trying to show. I have no idea what it is you are trying to say. Please speak in English. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 6, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: The liberal UK Daily Mail, from 2017 EU threatens Poland and Hungary with SANCTIONS if they do not start taking in migrants and reduce the burden on Greece and Italy Hold it right there, the Daily Mail is a byword in the UK for right wing views as the Guardian is for the left. Edited January 6, 2019 by jaycee 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, jaycee said: Hold it right there, the Daily Mail is a byword in the UK for right wing views as the Guardian is for the left. My mistake. I actually don't normally read either of them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 6, 2019 21 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: Tom talks about economic migrants. Something the EU or UN does not require anybody to receive. The real challenge is seperating real refugees from economic migrants. This an enforcement problem - it has nothing to do with rules that EU or UN impose. So Tom either deliberately takes things out of context or he doesn't bother to research. U.S. Democrats pre-Trump: - Hillary: Supported border wall - Obama: More border security, illegals must speak English, go to back of line - Schumer: Border walls work - Reid: Offering benefits to illegals = insane - Feinstein: US can't be Mexico's welfare - Clinton: Illegal immigration is wrong Before Trump Became President, Democrats Called for an End to Illegal Immigration. 2 Minute Video Proof. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, jaycee said: Hold it right there, the Daily Mail is a byword in the UK for right wing views as the Guardian is for the left. Doesn't change the fact that the information in the article is true. Why is it that Liberals expect Conservatives to read, and believe everything from liberal websites, papers, and tv, BUT Liberals then exempt themselves, and say that Liberals are not expected to read and believe everything from Conservative websites, papers, and tv.? Liberalism = Hypocrisy. ps: thank you for being honest about admitting that the Guardian is left-wing. Red keeps denying there are left-wing sites, and says every site governed by a Parliament entity can be totally believed without bias. Edited January 6, 2019 by Illurion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 6, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Illurion said: Doesn't change the fact that the information in the article is true. Why is it that Liberals expect Conservatives to read, and believe everything from liberal websites, papers, and tv, BUT Liberals then exempt themselves, and say that Liberals are not expected to read and believe everything from Conservative websites, papers, and tv.? Liberalism = Hypocrisy. ps: thank you for being honest about admitting that the Guardian is left-wing. Red keeps denying there are left-wing sites, and says every site governed by a Parliament entity can be totally believed without bias. lol you don't get me, I believe everything is biased how far is the question. The Daily Mail however is literally the butt many jokes in the UK for its extremely biased coverage. Edited January 6, 2019 by jaycee 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, jaycee said: lol you don't get me, I believe everything is biased how far is the question. The Daily Mail however is literally the butt many jokes in the UK for its extremely biased coverage. How about this european website: https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/12/theres-no-democracy-in-the-european-parliament-its-a-joke-former-czech-president/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/sweden-invests-big-in-sentencing-people-who-criticise-migration-convictions-increase-tenfold/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/we-dont-want-to-mix-islam-with-our-culture-its-not-good-hungarian-prime-minister/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/12/geert-wilders-in-2018-weve-seen-the-rise-of-the-peoples-movement-in-several-european-countries-and-this-is-only-the-beginning/ I have found it very interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, jaycee said: lol you don't get me, I believe everything is biased how far is the question. The Daily Mail however is literally the butt many jokes in the UK for its extremely biased coverage. and more: Europe seems to be in turmoil. https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/time-to-go-75-of-french-disapprove-of-macron-and-his-government/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/neighbourhoods-in-brussels-out-of-control-emergency-services-tricked-and-attacked/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/antifa-destroys-bar-rented-to-german-populist-party-to-fight-fascism/ Despite Europeans saying how VIOLENT the USA is, the above, and all the other articles about Europe show that it is Europe, that is the TRULY VIOLENT place to live these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Illurion said: and more: Europe seems to be in turmoil. https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/time-to-go-75-of-french-disapprove-of-macron-and-his-government/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/neighbourhoods-in-brussels-out-of-control-emergency-services-tricked-and-attacked/ https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/01/antifa-destroys-bar-rented-to-german-populist-party-to-fight-fascism/ Despite Europeans saying how VIOLENT the USA is, the above, and all the other articles about Europe show that it is Europe, that is the TRULY VIOLENT place to live these days. who are you arguing with? I pointed out the Daily Mail is a joke right wing rag, since I live in the UK i think I know more about it than someone from the US, you are off in a totally different direction with violence in Europe.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG January 6, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, jaycee said: who are you arguing with? I pointed out the Daily Mail is a joke right wing rag, since I live in the UK i think I know more about it than someone from the US, you are off in a totally different direction with violence in Europe.. Whether you think it is a joke right wing rag is irrelevant, the fact is that the article that was listed, and that YOU responded to, IS TRUE...... So apparently, the site isn't as much of a RAG as you think, so you might want to rethink some of your impressions. That article was from one site in the EU, but since you "discounted it", i then posted other similar articles from another EU news site and pointed out that you do not seem to live in the UTOPIA that you describe. The entire EU is in trouble, and the trouble isn't coming from the USA, or Russia. It is coming from your own Governments, and what they are doing to you, with the exception of a few like Poland and Hungary. Wake up. Edited January 6, 2019 by Illurion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red + 252 RK January 6, 2019 42 minutes ago, Illurion said: Whether you think it is a joke right wing rag is irrelevant, the fact is that the article that was listed, and that YOU responded to, IS TRUE...... So apparently, the site isn't as much of a RAG as you think, so you might want to rethink some of your impressions. That article was from one site in the EU, but since you "discounted it", i then posted other similar articles from another EU news site and pointed out that you do not seem to live in the UTOPIA that you describe. The entire EU is in trouble, and the trouble isn't coming from the USA, or Russia. It is coming from your own Governments, and what they are doing to you, with the exception of a few like Poland and Hungary. Wake up. You links were from an organisation which is well known to peddle rubbish. As Jaycee notes, you seem to want to place a great deal of credibility on organisations renown for their bias. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA January 6, 2019 (edited) One of the leaders of the Yellow Vests recently arrested. Yellow Vest protests continued for 8th weekend in a row. Merkel and German politicians, journalists, and celebrities financial and personal info hacked. Bild journalist Julian Röpcke claims he's dug through about 3% of the info and already found evidence of corruption (later in his Twitter feed he says he used the wrong word due to lack of sleep and that he meant nepotism and not corruption...hmmm). I'd be surprised if there is no major conflict in the EU area in the next 10 years, including civil war, with Russia aiding the rightist insurgents in whichever way they can. Edited January 7, 2019 by shadowkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 7, 2019 (edited) On 1/6/2019 at 9:30 AM, jaycee said: On 1/6/2019 at 1:08 AM, Tom Kirkman said: The liberal UK Daily Mail, from 2017 EU threatens Poland and Hungary with SANCTIONS if they do not start taking in migrants and reduce the burden on Greece and Italy Hold it right there, the Daily Mail is a byword in the UK for right wing views as the Guardian is for the left. 14 hours ago, Illurion said: Whether you think it is a joke right wing rag is irrelevant, the fact is that the article that was listed, and that YOU responded to, IS TRUE...... So apparently, the site isn't as much of a RAG as you think, so you might want to rethink some of your impressions. That article was from one site in the EU, but since you "discounted it", i then posted other similar articles from another EU news site and pointed out that you do not seem to live in the UTOPIA that you describe. The entire EU is in trouble, and the trouble isn't coming from the USA, or Russia. It is coming from your own Governments, and what they are doing to you, with the exception of a few like Poland and Hungary. Wake up. No re read the thread I repsonded to Tom's view that the Daily Mail is a left wing paper please quote anything I have said other than saying is a right wing one. No mention regards the contents of the article. PS Do you believe the First Lady is a former escort? The Daily Mail claimed this in 2016, and paid compensation to her for doing so. Edited January 7, 2019 by jaycee 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 7, 2019 56 minutes ago, jaycee said: No re read the thread I repsonded to Tom's view that the Daily Mail is a left wing paper please quote anything I have said other than saying is a right wing one. No mention regards the contents of the article. Yep. My mistake. Apologies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ January 7, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 12:00 PM, Tom Kirkman said: U.S. Democrats pre-Trump: - Hillary: Supported border wall - Obama: More border security, illegals must speak English, go to back of line - Schumer: Border walls work - Reid: Offering benefits to illegals = insane - Feinstein: US can't be Mexico's welfare - Clinton: Illegal immigration is wrong Before Trump Became President, Democrats Called for an End to Illegal Immigration. 2 Minute Video Proof. I am not sure how this relates to distingusihing between migrants and refugees (asylumseekers). That is an important distinguishing to make if you want to accusse the EU and UN for forced immigration / migration. Incidently, I don't disagree with anything... it is fair to discuss with integration and immigration policies. But refugees are not immigrants. There may be an enforcement problem with people claiming they are refugees when they are not, but this has nothing to do with EU or UN. Italy just passed a law that all asylum-seekers that did not get legal status (called the salvini decree) should receive no economic aid from the government. The EU or UN has not lifted a finger. However, Italian mayors and local politicians see an issue, because all these illegals are now going to be in the streets with only crime as an option for feeding their kids. It is fair to lash out at EU and UN, but please do so from an informed basis 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaycee + 348 jc January 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: Yep. My mistake. Apologies. you apologised already no worries not getting at you easy mistake to make if you are not from the UK. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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