Comrade Putin: Russia's President Accuses U.S. Of Raising Risk Of Nuclear War

President Vladimir Putin on Thursday accused the United States of raising the risk of nuclear war by threatening to spurn a key arms control treaty and refusing to hold talks about another pact that expires soon. In a news conference that lasted more than three hours, Putin also backed U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to pull troops out of Syria, said British Prime Minister Theresa May had no choice but to implement Brexit and that Western democracy was under serious strain. Washington has threatened to pull out of the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) which bans Moscow and Washington from stationing short- and intermediate-range, land-based missiles in Europe. Putin said the move, if it happened, would have unpredictable consequences. “We are essentially witnessing the breakdown of the international arms control order and (the start of) an arms race,” Putin told more than 1,000 reporters.“It’s very hard to imagine how the situation will develop (if the United States quits the INF treaty). If these missiles appear in Europe what should we do? Of course, we’ll have to ensure our own security.” Putin has previously said that Russia would be forced to train its own missiles on any European countries that host U.S. rockets.

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Says the man who has invaded Georgia, Ukraine, Syria ... Sibeirian fox must be in cage

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Isn't he the one that sent nuclear capability destroyers to Crimea a couple of weeks ago? Why build barracks in China/Japan disputed islands? Social media are definitely flooded by RU troll farms...

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In parallel Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops from Syria

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In parallel Putin welcomes Trump's decision to pull out US troops from Syria

Yep. Even as the United States’ closest allies criticized the move and said they will remain in the war-ridden country due to the Islamic State’s threat.

The French government disagreed with the White House assessment that the fight against the Islamic State is over. “It shows that we can have different priorities and that we must count on ourselves first,” Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau told C-News television, according to Reuters. “For now, of course we are staying in Syria because the fight against Islamic State is essential.” Also, The United Kingdom expressed a similar view, releasing a statement reiterating that it will continue its actions in Syria, saying the Islamic State still poses a threat even as it no longer controls the territory.

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6 hours ago, Pavel said:

Says the man who has invaded Georgia, Ukraine, Syria ... Sibeirian fox must be in cage

1. Georgia started a war in Osetia by bombing Tskhinvali (in South Ossetia) 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930

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“In the Mission’s view, it was Georgia which triggered off the war when it attacked Tskhinvali (in South Ossetia) with heavy artillery on the night of 7 to 8 August 2008,” said Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini, who led the investigation.

The report said the war followed tensions and provocations by Russia, but Tagliavini said: “None of the explanations given by the Georgian authorities in order to provide some form of legal justification for the attack lend it a valid explanation.

 

2. Syria is close russian ally - Russia defends syrian sovereignity and help its goverment to fight with western backed moderate rebels

3 In Ukraine we had a regime change and putsch with some nazi forces like Azov, Right Sector, or Svoboda and later a mass murder in Odessa. Its also blatant breach of agreement made with Gorbachov that NATO should not expand even one inch eastward. According to OSCE after Maidan at least 20 ukrainian journalist were killed  with also large amount of politics from opposition = look for example for Oles Buzyna and some politics from Region party.

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>3 In Ukraine we had a regime change and putsch with some nazi forces like Azov, Right Sector, Svoboda and the mass murder in Odessa. Its > also blatant breach of agreement made with Gorbachov that NATO should not expand even one inch eastward.

 

I will not tough Georgia in 2008, which might be a more disputable or complicated matter. 

But I will respond to Ukraine comment. I am a refugee from Russia-occupied Donetsk, where I had spend all my life before Russian invastion in 2014, the "capital" of so-called "Donetsk people republic" created by Russia on occupied parts of Ukraine. 

The comment above regarding Ukraine obviously contains blatant lies: 

1>In Ukraine we had a regime change and putsch -

this is half-true. Corrupted president sponsored by Russia fled Ukraine under pressure of protesters. Though, it is less democratic, as one would like to have, this does not justify Russian invasion in Ukraine in any way.

2> with some nazi forces like Azov, Right Sector, Svoboda and the mass murder in Odessa

Again, half-true. Though, there are some instances of nazism among Ukrainian youth, and a 1 or 2 volunteer (or sponsored by Jewish-Ukrainian businessmen - you got it right - Jewith businessmen sponsored those units) military units fighting Russians and russian mercenaries in Ukraine have symbolics similar to nazi cross or somewhat Ukrainian-nationalistic ideology, those people have zero power in Ukraine - their political rating is <1%, maximum of what they can take is only 1% of 450 seats in Ukrainian Parliament. Also, I would add, that Russia used the same nazi military units to fight Ukraine on Donbass. 

https://www.unian.info/war/2197709-russian-neo-nazi-who-fought-against-ukraine-in-donbas-now-seen-in-syria-media.html

More over, level of tolerance in Ukraine is much better, that in Russia, while antisemitism is much lower in Ukraine. 

Regarding mass murder in Odessa - I do not see why Russia, which had dozens such events each year is trying to justify its military agression against Ukraine by this tragic event. 

3>also blatant breach of agreement made with Gorbachov that NATO should not expand even one inch eastward.

As far as I am aware, there is no such agreement anywhere, if you have a link to the agreement -please share. 

 

Conclusion: 

Russia invaded Ukraine because they

1) Have desire and ability

2) Ukraine was weak due to fled president and unstability and dozens of years of unsufficient military funding

3) Russia expected that there will be no or limited consequences like it was with Georgia, and the world will believe all the lies they tell about Ukraine

4) There are lots of Russian trolls around, who will sing you songs about nazis taking power in Ukraine, Russian rights for Crimea occupation, Russian "that'snotus" in MH17 and Donbass occupation and so on and on to justify Russian invasion in Ukraine. 

 

 

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You cant argue that now Ukraine is officially according to IMF  the poorest country in Europe with very strong nationalism and I would call this fascism. Their ancestors killed 150.000 of Poles during WW2 in Wołyn and East Galicia and now as Pole I see Bandera and Suchevych as Ukraine heroes. Its natural because in every failed state as Ukraine now there is a big surge in extremism. For me its problem for european community for at least several years.

Emigration

In Poland nowadays  I meet Ukrainians that left Ukraine because of poverty every day= there are at least 2 milion Ukrainians in Poland and something like 3 milions fleed to Russia after Maidan. Transfers of money from Ukrainians working abroad has risen to $11.5 billion and is expected to increase in 2018 – estimates National Bank of Ukraine. Last year, Ukrainian migrants sent over $9.3 billion back to the country (about 9 percent of the GDP). As is estimated by the Ministry of Social Affairs of Ukraine, 3.2 million citizens of this country work continuously abroad, and another 9 million seasonally. A large part of both groups goes to Poland, where the number of employees from Ukraine is estimated at 1.8-2 million. 

Eurostat confirms that more that 600,000 Ukrainian optimists have already decided to materialise their European future. I quote:

In 2017, citizens of Ukraine (662 000 beneficiaries, of which almost 88% in Poland) continued to receive the highest number of permits in the EU…

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are also choosing a Russian future. Kommentarii.uareports:

In the period between 2014-2016, 170,000 Ukrainian received Russian citizenship. 24,141 in 2014, 67,400 in 2015, and 75,497 in first nine month of 2016.

In 2017, 85,119 Ukrainians have received Russian citizenship, 67,022 have received a residency, 144,530 Ukrainians live in Russia based on residency documents.

Temporary residence permits were issued to 96,612 Ukrainians in 2017, in total 201,631 Ukrainians live in Russia with these documents.

Other changes

There are hardly no change and if any rather the bad one= corruption according to Ernst and Young research is even higher than before Maidan. Maidan was also against oligarchs but  they now have more power then 5 years ago= now they even have private armies and they fight to take properties of another oligarch. Ukraine is bankrupt they spend 1\3 of their budget to pay loans and in next 2 years they have pay something like 12 bilions.

Energy

There is no heat or warm water  in Kiev and some other cities for the last 6 months and today its something like minus 10 in Ukraine. The price of electricity for Ukrainians has risen by 300% in recent years. This way, Ukrainian “heat” is truly the most expensive in the world. Basically, ordinary Ukrainians, whose salaries and pensions are already meagre, are forced to spend enormous sums from these minuscule gains of theirs on necessities that in Ukraine aren’t exactly cheap. 

The coming ban on the export of oil products to Belarus promises to be felt by the Ukrainian market of oil refinery products. According to some date, Ukraine covered 40% of her motor fuel needs by Russian oil reexported by Belarus. Advantages for Kiev are apparent: expedient logistics with almost direct deliveries and good prices.“The Ukrainians are not threatened by a physical deficit, there are plenty of oil products on the market. The difference from the cheap grey scheme (Minsk got the oil products tax free within a Customs Union) is that imports from alternative sources are more expensive, they will have to deal with market prices.”  

Economists think that one of Belarus’ closest competitors, for example Kazakhstan or alternatively European neighbours, may try to substitute the missing Belorussian imports.

Political situation

And as of today, almost 5 years into the Association Agreement, Ukraine is still not a candidate for membership in the EU, and it is highly unlikely Ukraine will become one within the next decade. The destiny of Ukraine is to be a grey zone between the EU and Russia. At loggerheads with the latter, and in an unequal relationship with the former.

Ukraine will continue to export goods with low added value, and resources such as grain, and timber. Such a country will not need the current level of population. No, Ukrainians will not die out but the question remains how many planters of buckwheat does the country need? And this situation shall continue until a political force in Ukraine emerges which returns back to a sensible policy towards Russia.

Extremism

It is commonly asserted by the Maidan supporting crowd that nationalist parties in Ukraine, like Svoboda and the Right Sector, do not score election victories, and therefore the accusation of there being a prevalent and socially accepting attitude towards radical nationalism is false. But they fail to mention the almost complete absence of ideological parties in Ukrainian top politics. And I have a theory of why this is?

Elections require a lot of money and electoral base, and this is even further accentuated in Ukraine, where the population is very poor and generally apathetic and distrustful towards politicians. The result of this is that the only parties represented in Ukrainian parliament are oligarch projects with an unclear ideology but good financial backing. Svoboda actually had some notable electoral support, and even won a majority on a regional level in Western Ukraine, and all this was when it was allegedly cultivated by the oligarchs before the Euromaidan. After the Maidan, in which Svoboda took active part, it became useless and embarrassing to the new regime, and quickly faded from top politics.

Parties such as Bloc of Petro Poroshenko, or Bloc of Yulia Tymoshenko, or Narodny Front, do not have a clearly defined ideology, and therefore can be filled with any ideological content the leaders see fit. It therefore begs a question of how much of radical nationalist ideology do these parties espouse. For instance, Poroshenko has been very actively promoting nationalist causes regarding the supremacy of the Ukrainian language, unification and independence of the Ukrainian Church, and promotion of symbols and “heroes” of Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).

The problem of rehabilitation of radical nationalism in Ukraine should not be dismissed as a disinformation by red herrings like the electoral failures of a certain political party. Electoral success depends upon factors such as money and the size of membership, Ukrainian radical nationalist parties do not have either in abundance. However, that does not mean radical Ukrainian nationalism does not factor in Ukrainian society.

Future or russian-ukrainian conflict

Ukraine is reluctant to take back Donbass and Crimea. Not only does the pro-Western elite in Kiev not want the most pro-Russian regions back, they don’t want to assume the burden of rebuilding Donbass.

Russia chickened out of taking Novorossiya in 2014. It was clear Russia was not economically ready to make this move. One can only note at this instance that even the economic powerhouse, Germany, was unable to fully converge with its formerly socialist Eastern territories. Now Russia’s strategy vis-a-vis Ukraine is reduced to a pathetic song of federalisation, and unless Ukraine, or parts of Ukraine beyond LDNR and Crimea, are somehow brought back into Russia’s orbit, any thoughts of recuperating lost lands of the Rus’ are unrealistic.

Some links = only western press

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-azov-right-wing-militia-to-patrol-kyiv/29008036.html

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KYIV -- The gathering was large and formidable, with hundreds of mostly young men in fatigues keeping tight ranks on Kyiv's central Independence Square before marching in formation to a torch-lit fortress on a hillside in the Ukrainian capital.

There, in the January 28 spectacle, 600 of them swore an oath to clean the streets of illegal alcohol, drug traffickers, and illegal gambling establishments.

Their mission would seem righteous enough. And it was featured in a slickly produced video with aerial drone footage, sweeping edits, and menacing music that caught the attention of many on social media.

But Ukraine observers and rights groups are sounding the alarm, because this was not a typical commencement, and the men are not police officers. They are far-right ultranationalists from the Azov movement, a controversial group with a military wing that has openly accepted self-avowed neo-Nazis, and a civil and political faction that has demonstrated intolerance toward minority groups.

"We will not hesitate to use force to establish order that will bring prosperity to every Ukrainian family!" reads a message alongside the video, published on the Facebook page of the newly formed group, called the National Militia. In the clip, they vow also to protect the nation "when government organs can't or won't help Ukrainian society."

In the January 28 spectacle, 600 members swore an oath to clean the streets of illegal alcohol, drug traffickers, and illegal gambling establishments.
In the January 28 spectacle, 600 members swore an oath to clean the streets of illegal alcohol, drug traffickers, and illegal gambling establishments.

 

That approach could concern Western backers in Kyiv's campaign against armed Russia-backed separatists in the eastern part of the country, where a conflict that has lasted nearly four years has killed at least 10,300 people.

"Ukraine would be violating its international obligations under human rights law if authorities either tolerate abusive militia who undermine [the] population's liberty, security, freedoms or provide an abusive militia with the color of law but [do] not impose on them exacting standards on use of force," Tanya Cooper, Human Rights Watch (HRW)'s Ukraine researcher in Kyiv, told RFE/RL in e-mailed comments as media buzzed over the appearance of the National Militia.

Matthew Schaff, Ukraine director of the U.S.-based NGO Freedom House, told RFE/RL by phone that simply their creation "does damage to democracy in Ukraine."

Nationalistic Agenda

Founded in 2014 as a volunteer battalion to help an overmatched Ukrainian military fight off the threat in its east, the Azov movement uses fascist symbols and has been accused by international humanitarian organizations of human rights abuses in the conflict zone.

The National Militia is an independent group that is merely the latest component of Azov's civilian and political wing, known as the National Corpus. It is led by lawmaker and former Azov Battalion commander Andriy Biletsky, once the head of Ukraine's neo-Nazi Social-National Party, who attended the ceremony.

Azov officially founded the National Corpus in October 2016, incorporating two other nationalist groups, including Patriot Of Ukraine, which according to Halya Coynash of the Kharkiv Human Rights Group "espoused xenophobic and neo-Nazi ideas and was engaged in violent attacks against migrants, foreign students in Kharkiv, and those opposing its views."

That inaugural ceremony arguably had pomp more reminiscent of 1930s Germanythan of postwar democracy. It included nationalist chants, raised fists, and a torchlight march through central Kyiv.

National Corpus's political aims at the time of its creation included the restoration of Ukraine's nuclear-power status, which was abandoned in a major boost to nonproliferation soon after the breakup of the Soviet Union; the nationalization of companies that were owned by the government when Ukraine gained independence in 1991; and the legalization of firearms for personal protection.

Its foreign policy sought to cut cultural, diplomatic, and trade ties with Russia, and urged a public discussion about restoring the death penalty in Ukraine for crimes such as treason and embezzlement of government funds.

While the National Corpus appears to draw limited support from Ukraine's electorate -- polls show it under the 5 percent threshold to enter parliament -- its public presence has grown, worrying international observers and making it a favorite target for Russian propaganda. Russian state news agencies and politicians suggest the government in Kyiv's perceived tolerance for the far-right movement makes it fascist. The Ukrainian government's failure to aggressively challenge the group has done little to calm its critics.

Police, Or Not Police

So it came as something of a surprise on January 30 when Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who has enjoyed a close relationship with the Azov movement in the past, appeared to distance himself from the group, saying in a statement posted to the ministry's website that "in Ukraine, there is only one monopoly on the use of force -- the state: the National Guard, the National Police, and the Armed Forces."

He added, "All other paramilitary entities that try to position themselves on the streets of cities are not legal."

Ivan Varchenko, an Avakov adviser, told Hromadske Radio that Ukrainian law provides for registration of civic organizations that assist law enforcement agencies.

Roman Chernyshov of the National Corps also tried to calm concerns, telling Hromadske Radio that its members do not bear arms.

Armed or not, as news of the National Militia spread across Ukrainian media, critics raised serious concerns about the type of order the unit may enforce on the streets of Kyiv.

"It's the police responsibility to enforce the law on the street and hold people accountable for crimes they've committed," Freedom House's Schaaf said. "When there are groups that are roaming the streets in units like this, with slogans like this, it definitely raises concerns about what are their intentions, how they will they be implementing their visions, what rules they are trying to enforce."

HRW's Cooper said one of her primary concerns was who would be targeted by the group. "Members of this political party espouse intolerance towards ethnic minorities and LGBT people, so it seems completely absurd that these people would be able [and willing] to protect everyone," she said of the Azovs.

She added, "The bottom line is that if these units are going to be carrying out any kind of policing duty, they have to be held to the exact same human rights standards as regular police: on use of force, powers of detention, nondiscrimination, etc., and they have to be trained and held accountable just like regular police are."

Perhaps in an attempt to alleviate public concerns, Avakov insisted, "I, as a minister, will not allow for parallel structures that try to behave as alternative military formations on the streets."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44593995

https://www.apnews.com/94fe1c68205a43ca96fcc89c88a7cc9f

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EV, Ukraine (AP) — In a story Nov. 12 about nationalist youth camps in Ukraine, The Associated Press reported erroneously that the Ministry of Youth and Sports earmarked 4 million hryvnias (about $150,000) to fund some of the camps. The ministry spent that amount for youth and patriotic education, and some of that money went to youth camps. There is no evidence that the camp featured in the article was among them.

A corrected version of the story is below:

Training kids to kill at Ukrainian nationalist camp

Radical nationalists gain growing clout in Ukraine with tacit government support

By YURAS KARMANAU

Associated Press

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — The campers, some clad in combat fatigues, carefully aim their assault rifles. Their instructor offers advice: Don’t think of your target as a human being.

So when these boys and girls shoot, they will shoot to kill.

Most are in their teens, but some are as young as 8 years old. They are at a summer camp created by one of Ukraine’s radical nationalist groups, hidden in a forest in the west of the country, that was visited by The Associated Press. The camp has two purposes: to train children to defend their country from Russians and their sympathizers — and to spread nationalist ideology.

“We never aim guns at people,” instructor Yuri “Chornota” Cherkashin tells them. “But we don’t count separatists, little green men, occupiers from Moscow, as people. So we can and should aim at them.”

VIDEO: Children as young as 8 train at Ukrainian nationalist camp. (AP Video/Mstyslav Chernov)

The nationalists have been accused of violence and racism, but they have played a central, volunteer role in Ukraine’s conflict with Russia — and they have maintained links with the government. Earlier this year, the Ministry of Youth and Sports earmarked 4 million hryvnias (about $150,000) to fund “youth and patriotic education,” some of which went to youth camps. There is no evidence that the one visited by the AP was among them.

Ministry spokeswoman Natalia Vernigora said the money is distributed by a panel which looks to reject projects run by groups with “signs of xenophobia and discrimination.”

Cherkashin is a veteran of the fight against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine; he was wounded in combat and later came to lead Sokil, or Falcon, the youth wing of the Svoboda party. It is important, he says, to inculcate the nation’s youth with nationalist thought, so they can battle Vladimir Putin’s Russia as well as “challenges that could completely destroy” European civilization.

Among those challenges: LGBT rights, which lecturers denounce as a sign of Western decadence.

Instructor at Ukrainian nationalist youth camp lectures children about what he sees as Western decadence. (AP Video/Mstyslav Chernov)

“You need to be aware of all that,” said instructor Ruslan Andreiko. “All those gender things, all those perversions of modern Bolsheviks who have come to power in Europe and now try to make all those LGBT things like gay pride parades part of the education system.”

While some youths dozed off during lectures, others paid attention. Clearly, some were receptive.

During a break in training, a teenager played a nationalist march on his guitar. It was decorated with a sticker showing white bombs hitting a mosque, under the motto, “White Europe is Our Goal.”

Aside from the lectures — and songs around the campfire — life for the several dozen youths at the Svoboda camp was hard.

Campers were awakened in the middle of the night with a blast from a stun grenade. Stumbling out of their tents, soldiers in training struggled to hold AK-47s that were, in some cases, almost as tall as they were. They were required to carry the heavy rifles all day, and one of the girls broke down in tears from exhaustion.

At 18, Mykhailo was the oldest of the campers. The training, he said, was necessary.

“Every moment things can go wrong in our country. And one has to be ready for it,” he said. “That’s why I came to this camp. To study how to protect myself and my loved ones”

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32337621

https://www.rferl.org/a/azov-ukraine-s-most-prominent-ultranationalist-group-sets-its-sights-on-u-s-europe/29600564.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odessa_clashes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector

 

 

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Investigation[edit]

Investigators are probing four theories: an order to extremist groups to destabilise the situation in Ukraine; unlawful activity by Odessa regional authorities and police aimed at discrediting the current central government; unchecked actions by football fans and pro-Russia groups; and a provocation by radical individuals.[84]

As of May 2017, the official investigation is still in progress and criticized by Ukrainian human-rights groups and international bodies for lack of progress and failure to investigate key evidence. At least one case has been taken to European Court of Human Rights by a mother whose son has died in the clashes.[85]

UN Human Rights office states in its 2016 report: "criminal prosecutions ... appear to have been initiated in a partial fashion. Only activists from the 'pro-federalism' camp have been prosecuted so far, while the majority of victims were supporters of 'pro-federalism' movement... The investigations into the violence have been affected by systemic institutional deficiencies and characterized by procedural irregularities, which appear to indicate an unwillingness to genuinely investigate and prosecute those responsible."[41]

Pro-Ukraine activist Sergei Khodiak is officially accused of murder, but he is not under arrest.[44] He was released after two days in custody due to the pressure of other Euromaidan activists on the court. Although the pre-trial investigation was completed in August 2015, the trial has not yet started (as of May 2016).[86][41] None of Euromaidan activists was under arrest as of March 2016,[87] and May 2017.[88] At the same time, around dozen of anti-Maidan supporters have been held in custody for at least two years. Some of them launched a hunger strike.[86][87] An anti-Maidan activist Igor Astakhov died after two years in custody from a heart failure.[89] Three years after the events, five anti-Maidan supporters remain in custody.[88]

Those who set fire to the House of Trade Unions have not been identified.[41]

A Euromaidan activist Vsevolod Goncharevskii is accused in beating people who jumped out of the windows of the House of Trade Unions. He was detained in August 2014, but the court decided to release him one month later. In 2015 the court resumed investigation against him, but in October 2016 Goncharevskii was still free and participated in military operations against separatists.[90][91]

In September 2017, the Chornomorsk town court of Odessa Oblast concluded that all 19 people accused of participation in the clashes on Hrteska ploshcha, are not guilty. The court criticized the prosecution for being biased against the anti-Maidan activists and for low quality of investigation.[92][93] Five anti-Maidan activists who had remained in custody for 3.5 years, were ordered to be released. However, two of them were immediately arrested again by SBU on new charges related to a peaceful anti-Maidan motor rally in March 2014.[9

Pressure on the Courts[edit]

The court is under severe pressure, e.g. on Nov 27, 2015, the Malynovskyi District Court of Odessa granted release on bail to five anti-Maidan detainees. In response, around 50 Right Sector and other Euromaidan activists blocked the detention facility searching all vehicles for the detainees to be released, they pressured the prosecution to appeal, blocked the judge of the Court of Appeals of Odesa Region in his office, urging him to grant the appeal, and forced the judges of the Malynovskyi District Court to resign. In a few days, the decision to release the detainees was cancelled, in violation of procedural law.[94][95][96] On 10 March 2016, 'anti-Maidan' accused have been attacked by Euromaidan activists near the court building leading to hospitalization one of them.[86][87] According to OHCHR, up to 50 aggressive Euromaidan activists can be observed in the courtroom with police being unable to protect those involved in the proceedings.[86] Two district courts of Odessa refused to consider the case because judges were intimidated.[86]

UN OHCHR reported in 2018 about the lack of progress in investigations into harassment of and pressure on judges dealing with the mass disorder cases by Euromaidan activists, despite the identification of some alleged perpetrators by victims or witnesses.[97]

 

2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

 

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Human rights violations and war crimes[edit]

Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCR) have connected the Azov Battalion to alleged war crimes such as mass looting, unlawful detention, and torture.[70][71] An OHCHR report from March 2016 stated that the organisation had "collected detailed information about the conduct of hostilities by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne (31km east of Mariupol), from the summer of 2014 to date. Mass looting of civilian homes was documented, as well as targeting of civilian areas between September 2014 and February 2015".[70] Another OHCHR report documented an instance of alleged rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and 'Donbas' battalions in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital."[71] A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding, which resulted in his confessing spying for pro-Russian militants.[71]

Rodnovery, symbolism and neo-Nazism[edit]

Most soldiers of Azov are followers of a Ukrainian nationalist type of Rodnovery (Slavic Native Faith), wherefrom they derive some of their symbolism (such as a variation of the swastika symbol kolovrat). They have also established Rodnover shrines for their religious rites, including one in Mariupol dedicated to Perun.[72][73][74][unreliable source] German ZDF television showed images of Azov fighters wearing helmets with swastika symbols and "the SS runes of Hitler's infamous black-uniformed elite corps".[75] Due to the use of such symbols, Azov has been considered to have connections with neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia and expressing Neo-Nazi views.[76][77]

In writing about the battalion's ideology, Richard Sakwa wrote that its founding member Andryi Biletsky, leader of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly (SNA) made statements about "historic mission" to lead "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival ... a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen"; according to Sakwa, this ideology has its root in national integralism of 1920s and 30s.[78]

Ivan Katchanovski in an interview with Radio Sweden described the ideology of the battalion in the following words: "The SNA/PU [Patriot_of_Ukraine] advocates a neo-Nazi ideology along with ultranationalism and racism. The same applies to the SNA/PU commanders and members of the Azov battalion and many football ultras and others who serve in this formation. Biletsky is called the White Leader."[79]

Despite the accusations of being a far-right[nb 2] or neo-Nazi movement, Ukrainian ministerial advisor Anton Geraschenko has denied the association with Nazism, stating that the formation is merely a "party of Ukrainian patriots".[6][80][nb 3][nb 4] A spokesman for the unit has said this label applies to 10–20% of its recruits, and one commander attributed this ideology to misguided youth.[54]

In 2018, United States House of Representatives passed a provision blocking any training of Azov by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi background as the reason. In previous years, between 2014 and 2017, the US House of Representatives passed amendments banning support of Azov, but with pressure from the US Pentagon, the amendments were quietly lifted.[83][84][85] This move has been protested by Simon Wiesenthal Center which stated that the move highlights danger of Holocaust distortion in Ukraine.[85] On 26 June 2015, the Canadian defence minister declared as well, that training by Canadian forces or support would not be provided to Azov.[86]

According to Shaun Walker, troops of the Azov Battalion use the logo of the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly, which resembles a Wolfsangel on their banner.[77] Members of the unit have stated that the inverted Wolfsangel has a different history in Ukraine and represents the Ukrainian words for "united nation".[44] In addition to the Wolfsangel, Azov soldiers have also been observed using other aforementioned Nazi-associated symbols on their uniforms.[87] The Azov Battalion has dismissed accusations that their unit promotes fascist symbolism, stating that any association with Nazi symbolism is a result of Russian propaganda.[88]

While Azov Battalion troops have denied that the organization has any neo-Nazi or white supremacist beliefs, journalists stated that "numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias drawn on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations".[80] The organization has also incorporated the Black Sun into its banner.[89][90]

Polish war correspondent managed in the summer of 2015 to gain access to one of Azov's bases located in former holiday resort Majak and Azov fighters also demonstrated to him Nazi tattoos as well as emblems on their uniforms.[91]In contrast, Foreign Policy journalists witnessed a teenage girl being publicly punished for drawing a swastika in her diary during one of Azov's 2016 summer camps.[49]

 

 

 

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n July 2014, Russia began a criminal investigation of Aidar's commander, Serhiy Melnychuk, for "organizing the killing of civilians".[20] Its volunteer pilot, Nadiya Savchenko, was captured by pro-Russian separatists near Luhansk, transported to Russia and charged with killing two Russian journalists.[21][22]

On 8 September 2014 Amnesty International claimed that the Battalion had committed war crimes, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions.[14]

On 24 December 2014, Amnesty International reported that the unit was blocking humanitarian aid from Ukraine reaching the population of the separatist-controlled areas. Over half the population in these areas depend on food aid. According to Amnesty International, the Aidar, Donbass and Dnipro-1 battalions say they are blocking the aid because they "believe food and clothing are ending up in the wrong hands and may be sold instead of being given as humanitarian aid".[23] Denis Krivosheev, acting Director of Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, stated that "using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is a war crime".[24]

In April 2015, the Ukrainian government appointed Governor of Luhansk Hennadiy Moskal stated that Aidar battalion was "terrorizing the region" and asked Ukrainian Defense Ministry to rein in its members after a series of thefts, including ambulances and the takeover of a bread factory.[25]

 

 

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Ukrainian Interior Ministry’s Tornado battalion that participated in the military operation in Donbass has been disbanded, says Arsen Avakov, Ukraine’s Interior Minister.

“I have signed a decree on disbandment of the battalion today,” Avakov said at a press briefing in Kiev. He said some of the battalion’s security officers “will continue serving, while others will face trial.”

EADaily reported earlier, Head of the Lugansk civil-military administration Hennadiy Moskal demanded the national security, defense and the law-enforcement agencies of Ukraine to disarm Tornado and Chernigiv battalions. Moskal said the battalions have turned into an organized criminal group that is engaged in abductions, murders, rapes, assaults, robberies, armed attacks, thefts and other crimes. 

 
 

Reportedly, the commander and eight officers of Tornado battalion have been detained in Ukraine today. Chief Military Prosecutor of Ukraine Anatoly Matios said Commander of the battalion Onishchenko – has five previous convictions –created a criminal gang in the town of Privolye and incited his officers to grave crimes. In particular, Matios said, in the local school basement where they had torture tools the group members committed tortures and collective rapes and took the process on camera.
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2015/06/18/avakov-disbands-tornado-scandalous-battalion-of-ukraines-interior-ministry

 

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Allegations of neo-Nazism and political extremism[edit]

Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a neo-Nazi party by some journalists,[107][112][125] organizations that monitor hate speech,[126] Jewish organizations,[127][128] and political opponents.[47]

Svoboda advisor Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn started a blog called "'Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre" in 2005, later changing "Joseph Goebbels" to "Ernst Jünger."[2] Mykhalchyshyn wrote a book in 2010 citing works by Nazi theorists Ernst Röhm, Gregor Strasser and Goebbels.[45][112][129] Elsewhere Mykhalchyshyn referred to the Holocaust as a "period of Light in history".[130]

In December 2012, the European Parliament expressed concern regarding Svoboda's growing support, recalling "that racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles," and appealed "to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not to associate with, endorse or form coalitions with" Svoboda.[131] Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok stated in March 2013 that the EU warning against Svoboda's influence was the result of "Moscow agents working through a Bulgarian socialist MP".[132] Referencing a similar resolution made by the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Tyahnybok claimed it to be a result of a mud-slinging campaign by political opponents, stating: "When we did not have a parliamentary faction or normal channels for contacting influential groups in the European Union, a very negative image of Svoboda was created and in an extremely crude fashion." However, after speaking to European MP's he stated they "admitted that they had received completely different information about us."[132] Tyahnybok furthermore stated that "spin doctors who are working against Svoboda" cover up the non-controversial points in the party's election programme "by promoting some clearly secondary issues through mass media outlets controlled by pro-government forces".[132]

During a Party of Regions rally in Kiev to counter the ongoing Euromaidan protests, MP Olena Bondarenko called Tyahnybok a "traitor" and one "who helps the Kremlin and Moscow." Her words were altered to read on her party's website that he was instead a "Nazi" and that "Nazis are not just disrespected, they are outlawed in Europe and throughout the civilized world".[133]

Svoboda members have denied the party is anti-Semitic.[134] Party leader Tyahnybok stated in November 2012 "Svoboda is not an anti-Semitic party, Svoboda is not a xenophobic party. Svoboda is not an anti-Russian party. Svoboda is not an anti-European party. Svoboda is simply and only a pro-Ukrainian party".[65] In defense of these accusations, Tyahnybok has stated "I have repeatedly said that Svoboda is not an anti-Semitic organization. If you have any comments on our views, go to court. But nobody will, because everyone understands that even biased Ukrainian courts cannot pass any sentence against Svoboda because we do not violate Ukrainian laws."[65][135] Tyahnybok says a criminal case was opened against him for promoting racial rights, but he managed to win all the court cases and protect his name.[104]

The previous name of the party was an intentional reference to the Nazi Party in Germany, as "Social National" is a reference to "National Socialism", the ideology claimed by the Nazi Party.[125][136]

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Graffiti-caricature in Lviv. The inscription "Three by hundred" means "Three shots(100 ml) [of vodka]".

According to Der Spiegel, "anti-Semitism is part of the extremist party's platform," which rejects certain minority and human rights.[125] The paper writes that Svoboda's earlier "Social-National Party" title was an "intentional reference to Adolf Hitler's National Socialist party," and that in 2013 a Svoboda youth leader distributed Nazi propaganda written by Joseph Goebbels.[125]According to Algemeiner Journal, "Svoboda supporters include among their heroes leaders of pro-Nazi World War II organizations known for their atrocities against Jews and Poles, such as the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), and the 14th Waffen-SS Galicia Division."[137]

Prominent Ukrainian journalist and president of TVi Channel Vitaly Portnikov defended Svoboda against criticism, as he noted he is often questioned for supporting party leader Oleh Tyahnybok despite himself being Jewish. Portnikov said, "I [stand with them] with great pleasure, because Oleh wants Ukraine to be part of the European Union" and that "presently Svoboda is acting in a very decent way, and I see no problem there. Right-wing parties function in every European country."[18]

Ukrainian media associated with the Party of Regions, the Communist Party of Ukraine, and Russophile groups contributed to a trend of characterizing Svoboda as a "Nazi menace."[2]Political analyst Olszański argued that voters from southern or eastern Ukraine, especially those who are poor, less educated, or attached to a "Soviet historical narrative," are hostile to nationalism, easily convinced that Svoboda is the modern analog of the Nazi invaders, and further that the Party of Regions is the only force capable of stopping a 'brown revenge'.[2]According to political scientist Taras Kuzio, the label "nationalist" is "disastrous" in Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine and used as an epithet by political opponents.[47]

Statements by political scientists[edit]

Political scientist Tadeusz A. Olszański writes that the social-nationalist ideology which Svoboda formerly adhered to has included "openly racist rhetoric" concerning 'white supremacy' since its establishment, and that comparisons with National Socialism are legitimized by its history.[2] However, Svoboda's policy documents contain no racist elements[citation needed].

Andreas Umland, a political scientist at the National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy,[55] has asserted in 2010 that "Svoboda was a racist party promoting explicitly ethnocentric and anti-Semitic ideas".[138] He also believes that internally, Svoboda "is much more radical and xenophobic than what we see".[65] However, Umland has also stated that he believes the party will continue to become more moderate over time, stating that "there's a belief that Svoboda will change, once in the Verkhovna Rada, and that they may become proper national democrats".[45]

Olexiy Haran, also a political science professor at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, says "There is a lot of misunderstanding surrounding Svoboda" and that the party is not fascist, but radical.[94]

Alexander J. Motyl contends that Svoboda is not fascist, neither in behaviour or in ideology, and that "they are far more like the Tea Party or right-wing Republicans than like fascists or neo-Nazis."[96][139]

According to Anton Shekhovtsov, expert on radical parties in Europe, "The main peculiarity of the Ukrainian far right is that its main enemy is not immigrants or national minorities, as often happens with the EU-based far right, but the Kremlin".[140]

Statements by Jewish organizations[edit]

Thirty members of the Israeli Knesset condemned the party in a signed letter addressed to the President of the European Parliament. In the letter the Israeli politicians accused Svoboda of "openly glorifying Nazi murder" and "Nazi war criminals".[141] In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[142]

Ukraine's chief rabbi Yaakov Bleich said "Svoboda is an enigma in many ways," calling it "a right-wing, nationalist party with anti-Semitic elements in it."[143] Vyacheslav A. Likhachev of the Eurasian Jewish Congress, said that the "party has a very anti-Semitic core in its ideology," and that it leads to "symbolic legitimization of neo-Nazis and anti-Semitic ideology in the eyes of society."[68]

Member of parliament from the pro-presidential Party of Regions[143] and president of the Jewish Committee of Ukraine, Oleksandr Feldman, criticized Svoboda as a "party which is notorious for regularly injecting anti-Semitism into their speeches and public pronouncements" and accused the party of "rallying behind this recognition and exploited mistrust of Jews to gain popularity among some in the lower class who painfully welcomed the chance to be a part of campaigns of hate".[144][145] Feldman also writes that Svoboda has helped erode the shame associated with open expressions of anti-Semitism and other ethnic hatreds.[146] Feldman has been an advocate for the Party of Regions and president Viktor Yanukovych, reportedly also funding the latter's public relations firm.[145] During the Euromaidan protests, Feldman said the protests had degenerated into "ultra-nationalism and anti-Semitism," and called for opposition leaders Arseniy Yatseniuk and Vitali Klitschko to distance themselves from Svoboda. Four groups, including the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union, said they have seen no upsurge in anti-Semitic attacks. "We call on Ukrainian citizens and foreign observers to remain calm and critically assess the panic-mongering statements in the media regarding anti-Semitism in the country," the groups said in a statement on the website of the Euro-Asian Jewish Congress.[143]

In 2012 international human rights organization The Simon Wiesenthal Center placed Svoboda party leader Oleg Tyahnybok fifth in its list of the top 10 anti-Semites and haters of Israel, based on his previous comments regarding Jews in Ukraine.[147]

 

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Mirotvorets, or Myrotvorets (Ukrainian: Миротворець /mɪrɔ'tvɔrɛt͡sʲ/, lit. "Peacemaker"), is a Ukrainian Kiev-based[1] website that purports to reveal personal information of people who are considered to be "enemies of Ukraine",[2][3] or, as the website itself states, "whose actions have signs of crimes against the national security of Ukraine, peace, human security, and the international law".[4] It was launched in December 2014 by Ukrainian politician and activist Georgy Tuka,[5][6] then a head of "Narodny Tyl", who since 29 April 2016 serves in the Ukrainian government as Deputy Minister at the Ministry of Temporarily Occupied Territories and IDPs[3] and before that, in 2015–2016, was the governor of Luhansk Oblast ("chairman of the Luhansk Regional Military and Civil Administration") appointed by president Petro Poroshenko.[7][8][9]

The site reflects the work of NGO ″Myrotvorets centre″, led by Roman Zaitsev, former employee of Luhansk Security Service of Ukraine office.[10]

The website is curated by the government law-enforcement and intelligence agency Security Service of Ukraine (SBU)[11] and promoted by Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko [uk].[11][12] In October 2015 he proposed to add a special section titled "Putin's crimes in Syria and Middle East" dedicated for personal data of Russian military personnel of the operation in Syria collected by Inform Napalm,[13] as he cited from his correspondence:[14] in order "to help ISIS take revenge" on them "in accordance with Sharia law".[3][12][14][15][16]

In April 2015 the website published the home addresses of Ukrainian writer Oles Buzina and former Verkhovna Rada parliamentarian Oleg Kalashnikov just days before they were assassinated.[3]

On 7 May 2016 the website published the personal data of 4,508 journalists and other media members from all over the world who had worked (or had received accreditation to work) on the war in the uncontrolled government territory of Donbass, and therefore were considered by the site to have cooperated with terrorists.[1][2][3][11][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] There were phone numbers, email addresses, and some countries and cities of residence of Ukrainian and foreign journalists received from the hacked database of Donetsk People's Republic Ministry of State Security; journalists and support staff provided these data to be accredited by the unrecognized Donetsk People's Republic. In response, the Security Service of Ukraine issued a statement that it found no violations of Ukrainian law by Myrotvorets.[24]

The slogan of the centre's website and the centre itself is a Latin saying: Pro bono publico (for the public good).

History[edit]

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The staff of the "Myrotvorets" Centre

Myrotvorets Centre began to develop the project in summer 2014, during the War in Donbass. The project was launched in December 2014 as part of the work of the volunteer group known as "Narodny Tyl".[6] The first true leader and participants were not reported, for their safety.[10] For distraction a leader was presented as "Narodny Tyl" leader[10][not in citation given] Ukrainian politician and activist Georgy Tuka, who since 29 April 2016 serves in the Ukrainian government as Deputy Minister at the Ministry of Temporarily Occupied Territories and IDPs[3] and before that, in 2015–2016, served as the governor of Luhansk Oblast ("chairman of the Luhansk Regional Military and Civil Administration") appointed by president Petro Poroshenko.[7][8][9]

The director of the Centre is Roman Zaitsev, a former employee of the territorial office of the SBU in the Luhansk region. At the Centre, there are about 250 people living both in Ukraine and abroad. During the first two years the Centre incurred losses in killed, wounded and missing people.[10][better source needed]

The website is promoted by Anton Gerashchenko, advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. The centre is affiliated with the government law-enforcement and intelligence agency, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU)[11][17] and the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs.[3]

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Coat of "Myrotvorets" staff member with field version of emblem

The "Myrotvorets" leader states that the centre's objective is to provide information and advice to the executive authorities, to finally bring peace and harmony in Ukraine. In its work the centre pays special attention to expressions of "separatist and terrorist activities" on the territory of Ukraine.[10][better source needed]

Sources of information for the centre are primarily public materials posted on the Internet, publications and more. Much like other volunteer organisations, the centre widely uses OSINT methods. In addition, the centre uses information provided by individuals on a confidential basis. Under current Ukrainian law, the centre does not use information contained in anonymous appeals.[10][better source needed]

In October 2015, the centre added a special section titled "Putin's crimes in Syria and the Middle East" dedicated to providing personal data of Russian military personnel involved in the operation in Syria, according to Russian media "to help ISIS take revenge" on the Russian pilots "in accordance with Sharia law".[3][12][14][15][16] Myrotvorets' actions caused extremely strong reactions from the Russian presidential administration and among Russian experts in military affairs and special operations. As stated in the website InformNapalm, an important element of the operation was to compare the numbers of Su-24 from the Russian airbase "Shagol" and the same type of aircraft, overturned in Syria. A few days after the operation began, Russian TV started to hide the numbers of military aircraft based in Syria for their video shoots.[25][26] After the information was published, the Investigative Committee of Russia launched criminal proceedings against Anton Gerashchenko for "public calls to terrorism."[27]

In February 2016, members of the centre took part in the operation of mobile groups against illegal transport of cargo through the line of armed conflict in the War in Donbass.[28]

Myrotvorets Centre repeatedly provided information on the participation of foreign nationals in the armed conflict, on the side of pro-Russian separatists. In early March 2016, due to the materials published by the centre, law enforcement authorities in Bulgaria initiated criminal proceedings against George Bliznakov, a Bulgarian citizen. Similar materials are being considered regarding other Bulgarian citizens.[29][30]

According to the head of the centre, 4.5 thousand people were in the file cabinet in October 2014; 16 December 2015 – 7.5 thousand; January 2015 – 9000; 13 April 2015 – 30 thousand. In October 2015 – 45 thousand people; by 21 March 2016 – 57,775 people;[31] by 27 January 2017 - more than 102 thousand.[32] The most complete database contains residents of the Crimea.[10][better source needed]

On 15 April 2018, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's name was added to the website.[33]

Controversy[edit]

In April 2015, Myrotvorets published the home addresses of Ukrainian writer Oles Buzina and former Verkhovna Rada parliamentarian Oleg Kalashnikov, just days before they were assassinated.[3]

After the site published the data of various journalists, Valeriya Lutkovska, Ukrainian lawyer and Ombudswoman of Ukraine since April 2012, demanded both the website and the Centre be shut down.[34] Ukrainian editor and journalist Vitaly Portnikov and Ukrainian parliamentarian and military expert/blogger Dmytro Tymchuk have compared accreditation of a Ukrainian journalist in Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic to accreditation of an Israelijournalist with the Hamas "Ministry of Information" in Gaza.[35][36]

On 2 June 2016, G7 ambassadors to Kiev released a joint statement expressing deep concern about disclosures of journalists' personal data on the Myrotvorets website and called on the Myrotvorets team to withdraw personal data from public access.[37] The next day President Petro Poroshenko at a press conference condemned the publication of journalists' personal data, but stressed that he is extremely limited in terms of influence over the "Myrotvorets" website, which is curated by the government law-enforcement and intelligence agency Security Service of Ukraine; thus he is not going to press for a policy change.[38]

On 22 November 2017, Russia's foreign ministry sent a note of complaint to the US Department of State to protest the migration of the site to US servers.[39]

In September 2018, Myrotvorets wrote on Facebook that their database included residents of Zakarpattia Oblast who had illegally taken out Hungarian citizenship.[40] After two weeks of work in Zakarpattia Oblast, the database held more than 300 names of Ukrainian officials and local councillors from the oblast who had Hungarian passports.[41] On 11 October 2018, Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó said: "It is a lie that the Ukrainian state has nothing to do with the website that is listing suspected dual Ukrainian-Hungarian nationals", and claimed that President Petro Poroshenko "gave his consent to the hate campaign in an attempt to increase his popularity".[42]

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X73xIGsQLvw = you could find hundreds of movies like that on youtube= I decided to put this because its not a murder . Extremist sometimes killed people they found traitors and made movies = there is a huge amount of that in internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajd7X3fVsGw = one of several marches in memory of Bandera

 

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Wow!  That @Tomasz "comment" must have nearly broke the server!  

Tomasz, I hope you feel better.  That was a huge load to get off your chest!  

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21 hours ago, Pavel said:

Says the man who has invaded Georgia, Ukraine, Syria ... Sibeirian fox must be in cage

First of all Russia did not invade Syria...that is an absolutely idiotic thing to say since Russian forces are in Syria at the invitation of the legal and internationally recognized government of Syria while western forces have not only financed and armed the jihadist revolution in Syria but have illegally set foot and built military bases, ie. invaded Syria.

Second of all Russia did not invade Georgia, again that is a foolish thing to say when it is well documented that the Russo-Georgian war began when Georgian troops attacked UN-sanctioned Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia...again after they were armed and trained by NATO.

Third of all Russia did not invade Ukraine either, since Crimea has every right (legal right because Crimea tried to secede from Ukraine in 1991 and did so for 6 months before it was annexed back, moral because Crimea be faced with the same shitshow as Donbass if its people did not vote to reunite with Russia) to be a part of the Russian Federation. There is also a necessity on part of the Russian Federation; no individual with functioning grey matter can expect Russia to sit idly as the US violates the agreement they had with Gorbachev not to expand NATO eastwards for the 1000th time only this time placing their bases in Crimea and their nukes 20km from major Russian cities, while also cutting off Russia's economic and military access to the black sea. The USSR was not allowed to place their military in Cuba in 1962 despite it being an agreement between two consenting states (which did not violate any international agreements and did not have a hundredth of the negative effects that the US making military bases in Crimea would have had) so there is no use in complaining about it when Russia does the same.

And as far as the rest of Ukraine goes it would be again incredibly naive and foolish to suggest that there are Russian troops there, the most that can be said is that Russia is providing some military support in the form of advice and some armaments to the Donbass republics so that they don't get squished by the US' puppet state that is the rest of Ukraine.

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21 hours ago, damirUSBiH said:

Isn't he the one that sent nuclear capability destroyers to Crimea a couple of weeks ago? Why build barracks in China/Japan disputed islands? Social media are definitely flooded by RU troll farms...

Is Russia not allowed to place its military forces on its territory as it pleases or something? I would say there is good reason to do so as well given Ukraine's last avanteurism in the Black Sea.

Not everyone who disagrees with you on social media is a RU troll farm bot, the idea that Russia has nothing better to do with its labour force than pay them to shitpost on western social media sites is truly and utterly idiotic.

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1 hour ago, Taris said:

First of all Russia did not invade Syria...that is an absolutely idiotic thing to say since Russian forces are in Syria at the invitation of the legal and internationally recognized government of Syria while western forces have not only financed and armed the jihadist revolution in Syria but have illegally set foot and built military bases, ie. invaded Syria.

Second of all Russia did not invade Georgia, again that is a foolish thing to say when it is well documented that the Russo-Georgian war began when Georgian troops attacked UN-sanctioned Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia...again after they were armed and trained by NATO.

Third of all Russia did not invade Ukraine either, since Crimea has every right (legal right because Crimea tried to secede from Ukraine in 1991 and did so for 6 months before it was annexed back, moral because Crimea be faced with the same shitshow as Donbass if its people did not vote to reunite with Russia) to be a part of the Russian Federation. There is also a necessity on part of the Russian Federation; no individual with functioning grey matter can expect Russia to sit idly as the US violates the agreement they had with Gorbachev not to expand NATO eastwards for the 1000th time only this time placing their bases in Crimea and their nukes 20km from major Russian cities, while also cutting off Russia's economic and military access to the black sea. The USSR was not allowed to place their military in Cuba in 1962 despite it being an agreement between two consenting states (which did not violate any international agreements and did not have a hundredth of the negative effects that the US making military bases in Crimea would have had) so there is no use in complaining about it when Russia does the same.

And as far as the rest of Ukraine goes it would be again incredibly naive and foolish to suggest that there are Russian troops there, the most that can be said is that Russia is providing some military support in the form of advice and some armaments to the Donbass republics so that they don't get squished by the US' puppet state that is the rest of Ukraine.

You forgot:
Fourth: Putin is a peacemaker..
Fifth: Stalin didn’t kill millions of his own people
Sixth: Russia is not behind the attempted murder of an ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury.
... indeed, democracy and prosperity of Russian’s nation are directly proportional way of the Putin’s power.

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11 hours ago, Taris said:

Not everyone who disagrees with you on social media is a RU troll farm bot, the idea that Russia has nothing better to do with its labour force than pay them to shitpost on western social media sites is truly and utterly idiotic.

Western MSM does its own shitposting just fine all by itself, without any Russian hacker intervention.

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On 12/21/2018 at 12:47 PM, Dan Warnick said:

Wow!  That @Tomasz "comment" must have nearly broke the server!  

Tomasz, I hope you feel better.  That was a huge load to get off your chest!  

Im very interested in situation on Ukraine. So if someone is accusing me that growing radical nationalism and banderism is propaganda Ive a right to answer him in expanded way. Really I could write not only a post but a book about it.

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The biggest beneficiary of the INF treaty in recent times was China. With Trump pulling the US out of that treaty we are now free to develop land based ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges between 300 and 3400 miles, armed with both nuclear and conventional warheads, and deploy them throughout SE Asia.

Every Asian nation in the South China Sea has maritime/territorial disputes with the Chinese. Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia. Japan has disputes further north. India has concerns about China in Sri Lanka. You can bet there are preliminary discussions about hosting this capability should it become necessary.

One has to wonder if this was not the Russians desired outcome, hoping to further tie the Chinese down in SE Asia and weakening her position in any Siberian or Central Asian Silk road adventurism.

Wheels within wheels.

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5 hours ago, shadowkin said:

The biggest beneficiary of the INF treaty in recent times was China. With Trump pulling the US out of that treaty we are now free to develop land based ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges between 300 and 3400 miles, armed with both nuclear and conventional warheads, and deploy them throughout SE Asia.

Every Asian nation in the South China Sea has maritime/territorial disputes with the Chinese. Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia. Japan has disputes further north. India has concerns about China in Sri Lanka. You can bet there are preliminary discussions about hosting this capability should it become necessary.

One has to wonder if this was not the Russians desired outcome, hoping to further tie the Chinese down in SE Asia and weakening her position in any Siberian or Central Asian Silk road adventurism.

Wheels within wheels.

Now you're starting to see clearly.  Others, not so much.  They can't see past the Cold War, which ended decades ago.

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