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7 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Trump needs to test his powers, let the Supreme Court decide. 

With RBG MIA, now would be a perfect time to let the Supreme Court decide.

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12 hours ago, ronwagn said:

It has been going on for decades. It benefits crony capitalists RINOS and Democrats. The middle class suffers and declines. Our voting system is corrupted and only the wealthy control government. The cost of illegal aliens to our budget which is already set to implode is not acceptable. We have a crisis of trust in a crooked and self aggrandizing government. Trump needs to test his powers, let the Supreme Court decide. 

Yes on decades, though a completely bi-partisan problem. How corporations were given the right in the name of free speech to flood the political system with money is disturbing to me.

Realize a truly conservative court would completely trash usurping the budgeting process.

The Republican party quit being conservative in the classic sense a long time ago. I so wish they were remotely conservative. It would voting a pleasure instead of a Hobson's Choice.

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5 hours ago, John Foote said:

Yes on decades, though a completely bi-partisan problem. How corporations were given the right in the name of free speech to flood the political system with money is disturbing to me.

Realize a truly conservative court would completely trash usurping the budgeting process.

The Republican party quit being conservative in the classic sense a long time ago. I so wish they were remotely conservative. It would voting a pleasure instead of a Hobson's Choice.

~ "Mr. We Could Use A Man Like Hebert Hoover Again."

"Didn't NEED No Welfare States, EVERYBODY Pulled His Weight"

"GEE, Our Old LaSalle Ran Great"

"THOSE WERE THE DAYS"

YEP, soup kitchens, bread lines, 30% out of work.

                         ~HOOVERVILLES, BY THE TRAIN YARDS ~

Ole Wilbur never missed a check in his life.

NEXT, like Marie, he will be heard to opine >>>>>>>>>

"Let Them Eat Cake"

Marie & Louie lost their heads, as a result of the public's reaction.

COOLER heads shall prevail ~

 

Edited January 30, 2019 by Glenn Ellis

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Every major Democrat including Obama ran on cutting illegal immigration. Then they realized they would get 60% of Latino votes by allowing in all they could. They were either lying from the very beginning or they are lying now for their own benefit. 

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

 

Every major Democrat including Obama ran on cutting illegal immigration. Then they realized they would get 60% of Latino votes by allowing in all they could. They were either lying from the very beginning or they are lying now for their own benefit. 

Safe bet it was the former and the latter Ron.

 

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14 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Every major Democrat including Obama ran on cutting illegal immigration.

Look at the rate of illegal immigration. Obama did drastically cut it. Reagan proved the political folly of actually trying to reform it.

But what really cut the immigration rate was the Great Recession. Most come for work.

Latinos are a far more mixed bag on voting than you think. First, low rates of voting. Second, in some way latinos are more aligned with conservatives on social issues, very pro family, and many basically distrustful of government. My middle name is Alonzo, my mother wouldn't speak spanish to me as a child to help assimilating. The Democratic party is rather poor at representing Latinos. Aspects of the Republican party are downright hostile and offensive.

Edited January 30, 2019 by John Foote
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On 1/28/2019 at 11:26 PM, ronwagn said:

It has been going on for decades. It benefits crony capitalists RINOS and Democrats. The middle class suffers and declines. Our voting system is corrupted and only the wealthy control government. The cost of illegal aliens to our budget which is already set to implode is not acceptable. We have a crisis of trust in a crooked and self aggrandizing government. Trump needs to test his powers, let the Supreme Court decide. 

Unfortunately Mr. Trump thinks that Roe versus Wade are two ways across the Rio Grande. Solving the problems will require bipartisan discussion which seems impossible these days.

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FAA controllers, the poster children of the furlough, are making anywhere from $100 to $400 thousands and retire at 55 with full benefits and probably 75 % of final salary.  It is hard for me to feel their pain!

Over 800K workers in the private sector loose their jobs every year, don't get their jobs and benefits back.

 

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4 hours ago, Jeff_Calgary said:

Unfortunately Mr. Trump thinks that Roe versus Wade are two ways across the Rio Grande. Solving the problems will require bipartisan discussion which seems impossible these days.

Neither party is interested in doing something meaningful about illegal immigration.   Republicans because businesses are more profitable using cheap illegal immigrant labor and consumers ultimately get a low price for goods and services.  Who doesn’t like that?  Democrats for some of those same reasons with the added motivation of vast numbers of voters to add to their cause. There may be some illegals who come from Mexico, Central and and South America who might be inclined to vote R over D but the vast majority will vote D in spite of any personal religious convictions in tune with republican conservatism.  At the end of the day they are immigrating from majority socialist nations.  Today’s D’s exude what they were used to in their home countries.  I know LOTS of Mexican immigrants who are fine people, NONE of them vote R.  The only Latino immigrant I know who voted R and is conservative fled Castro’s Cuba.  Explanation not needed.

The answer is really very simple.  Instant employment eligibility verification.  If you aren’t here legally, credentialed to work, you can’t gain employment. As mentioned earlier by @John Foote the last recession was an economic limiter of illegal entrants from a supply side view.  Bad economy, less jobs, less folks willing to enter illegally.  

 

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34 minutes ago, TXPower said:

The answer is really very simple.  Instant employment eligibility verification.  If you aren’t here legally, credentialed to work, you can’t gain employment.

^ this

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6 hours ago, John Houbion said:

FAA controllers, the poster children of the furlough, are making anywhere from $100 to $400 thousands and retire at 55 with full benefits and probably 75 % of final salary.  It is hard for me to feel their pain!

Over 800K workers in the private sector loose their jobs every year, don't get their jobs and benefits back.

 

It used to be standard for government workers to make a little less but have better retirement. Today they make far more than private industry and have far better retirement and other benefits. They also have now become the Deep State backing higher government spending and liberal ideas of all kinds. These changes are bankrupting California, Illinois, Chicago, New York, New Jersey, and many other states, cities and counties. It is creating a tidal wave of debt with no end in sight. It is absolutely frightening to those in the know. 

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11 hours ago, John Foote said:

Look at the rate of illegal immigration. Obama did drastically cut it. Reagan proved the political folly of actually trying to reform it.

But what really cut the immigration rate was the Great Recession. Most come for work.

Latinos are a far more mixed bag on voting than you think. First, low rates of voting. Second, in some way latinos are more aligned with conservatives on social issues, very pro family, and many basically distrustful of government. My middle name is Alonzo, my mother wouldn't speak spanish to me as a child to help assimilating. The Democratic party is rather poor at representing Latinos. Aspects of the Republican party are downright hostile and offensive.

I could call myself Latino. My grandmother and mother have a lot of Spanish blood and Apache from The New Mexico Territory. The Apaches fought the Mexicans and the Americanos. People have a lot of stereotypical ideas about Spanish and Mexican peoples but I am NOT one of them. I grew up in California. About 40% of Latinos AKA Hispanics vote conservative. A majority do not favor allowing illegal immigration. I spend a lot of time in California and am well aware of what is going on here. The Democrats have corrupted the voting system and taxes keep skyrocketing. Sales tax is near ten percent here and my other home in central Illinois. 

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9 hours ago, Jeff_Calgary said:

Unfortunately Mr. Trump thinks that Roe versus Wade are two ways across the Rio Grande. Solving the problems will require bipartisan discussion which seems impossible these days.

Trump knows exactly what the abortion industry is up to and his leadership will continue to decrease second and third term abortions. He has no intentions of eliminating Roe versus Wade. 

See my abortion topic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YUN6ZBXYC0CC5AlS1a5MTY-GjmBYGo5KLEAoFws6PwY/edit

Edited January 31, 2019 by ronwagn

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On 1/28/2019 at 12:48 AM, Meredith Poor said:

Something got messed up here. If you're quoting me, this isn't something I posted.

pardon.... i quoted you on how walls have failed countries erected them........but your quote didn't show on the upper column before the two pictures i posted (just your name-date-time of your post was shown. pardon for any inconvenience).....

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On 1/28/2019 at 9:38 AM, Meredith Poor said:

"the majority of the existing wall is from the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644)." from Wikipedia.

"Towards the end of the Ming, the Great Wall helped defend the empire against the Manchu invasions that began around 1600. Even after the loss of all of Liaodong, the Ming army held the heavily fortified Shanhai Pass, preventing the Manchus from conquering the Chinese heartland. The Manchus were finally able to cross the Great Wall in 1644, after Beijing had already fallen to Li Zicheng's rebels. Before this time, the Manchus had crossed the Great Wall multiple times to raid, but this time it was for conquest." Another quote from the same article.

From the 1600's onwards China was having to deal with European powers and Japan. Walls did little to preserve Chinese sovereignty under the circumstances. The phrase "with Chinese characteristics", as uttered by various Great Leaders, is a signal that 'foreigners' are a corrupting influence which must be managed and contained. In short, China continues to chart it's own path, for better or worse, often ignoring expensive lessons learned by Westerners within the last few centuries.

Whatever is 'obvious' to me is that China's wall faced the wrong direction.

The point of the Soviet Iron Curtain was to keep foreign influences out - particularly the ideas around democracy. Had the Soviet economy been as beneficial to its citizens as the West's, no one would have had any incentive to leave.

I'm not sure if the following information is correct but the great wall of China was not built to defense against the Manchu but the Turk.........  by Qin Shi Huang (220–206 BC), the first Emperor of China. (please refer to movie "Mulan" for animated version. This is a story about a female disguised as a male so that she could replace her father in the battle field during Turk/xiong nu invasion)

Manchuria is a name first used in the 17th century by Japanese people to refer to a large geographic region in Northeast Asia. Depending on the context, Manchuria can either refer to a region that falls entirely within the People's Republic of China or a larger region divided between China and Russia. Wikipedia

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On 1/26/2019 at 2:36 PM, Meredith Poor said:

Hadrian's Wall: Outer limit of the Roman Empire. From that point forward Roman civilization shrank.

Great Wall(s) of China: The plural indicates that this was done several times, by different emperors in different dynasties. Represented futile efforts to keep foreign invaders out. China has built a lot of walls, and has collapsed in on itself at least that many times if not more. Note: current version of this is '9 dashed line'. Current economic situation in China: getting cloudy.

Berlin wall and Iron Curtian: Erected in early 1960's. Soviet Union doesn't survive another 30 years.

Using these examples (more are easily found) shows construction of physical barriers is evidence of social and political rot. People want to be 'comfortable' living among their own kind. In short, new ideas and immigrant workers willing to climb the economic ladder remind the native born that they have (to spend real effort) to compete.

Great perspective. 

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On 1/30/2019 at 1:31 PM, John Houbion said:

FAA controllers, the poster children of the furlough, are making anywhere from $100 to $400 thousands and retire at 55 with full benefits and probably 75 % of final salary.  It is hard for me to feel their pain!

Over 800K workers in the private sector loose their jobs every year, don't get their jobs and benefits back.

 

I would be interested to know where you found this info.  From what I have found the median salary is $125k a year.  Starting is $44.5k.  10% make more than $175k.  I would imagine these are the ones at Chicago, NY, DFW, etc.

How many of those workers that get laid off every year have the lives of tens of thousand of people riding in their hands every year?

They are required to retire at age 56 because the job is so stressful.

But, yeah, by all means let's start hiring air traffic control people at minimum wage.  See how well that goes.

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23 hours ago, mthebold said:

Given that lazy federal employees enjoy near-ironclad job security for doing effectively nothing, I'd call this poetic justice. 

Private employment is booming. Let them compete in a free market with the rest of us. 

So many people think these jobs are the greatest thing in the world yet they don't apply for them. If it's so great why not join them?  I did it for 16 years (in Canada); it's not all that great.

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On 1/24/2019 at 9:01 PM, ronwagn said:

All the Democrats need to do is approve the wall funding. Then the workers will all get paid. 

Most of the existing wall/fence was put in by the democrats under Clinton. It has served the required purpose however there are limitations. Where there are natural barriers (like desserts) you do not need a wall and it is a waste. Where there is the river -the wall cuts through peoples farms that don't have an issue. Even the republican that represents all that area does not want a wall and says it is a bad option.

The El Chappo trial just confirmed how the drugs come in-it is mostly by truck at legal crossings. So the technology is needed much more than a wall.

Walls have been proven to also need people and technology so that ladders and tunnels are not used. If you have to have the people and the tech -then you don't need the wall. Simple concept. 

When most people do skirt the wall - they wave down the first patrol since they want to get caught -that is not a wall issue.

If that 5 billion was spent on the three countries that are producing the illegal immigration -it will go down.

It already is way down from what it was -so how is it an emergency?

If the house lets Trump blackmail for things-how do you limit that in the future?

Trump has not budged a dollar off his $5.7 demand -and yet Pelosi gets blamed for not negotiating. How does that work? Compromise requires that $5.7 to come down -that has not happened.

Why did you vote Ann Coulter/ Hannity as president -she is not overly wise?

And this info all comes from an uninformed Canadian that would rather the wall be on the northern border. Just kidding. Come on folks get your stuff together down there.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Jeff_Calgary

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3 minutes ago, Jeff_Calgary said:

Most of the existing wall/fence was put in by the democrats under Clinton. It has served the required purpose however there are limitations. Where there are natural barriers (like desserts) you do not need a wall and it is a waste. Where there is the river -the wall cuts through peoples farms that don't have an issue. Even the republican that represents all that area does not want a wall and says it is a bad option.

The El Chappo trial just confirmed how the drugs come in-it is mostly by truck at legal crossings. So the technology is needed much more than a wall.

Walls have been proven to also need people and technology so that ladders and tunnels are not used. If you have to have the people and the tech -then you don't need the wall. Simple concept. 

When most people do skirt the wall - they wave down the first patrol since they want to get caught -that is not a wall issue.

If that 5 billion was spent on the three countries that are producing the illegal immigration -it will go down.

It already is way down from what it was -so how is it an emergency?

If the house lets Trump blackmail for things-how do you limit that in the future?

Trump has not budged a dollar off his $5.7 demand -and yet Pelosi gets blamed for not negotiating. How does that work? Compromise requires that $5.7 to come down -that has not happened.

Why did you vote Ann Coulter/ Hannity as president -she is not overly wise?

I firmly believe in walls. Carl Sandberg said, "Good walls make good neighbors". Everyone that wants to protect their real estate builds walls of some kind. It might just be a partial measure, but slows down intruders enough to have them caught. The Border Patrol thinks they are a great idea and wants them. We can save tens of billions by spending 5.7 billion dollars. Supporting illegal aliens is very expensive and increases criminal activity. 

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On 2/3/2019 at 9:07 PM, ronwagn said:

I firmly believe in walls. Carl Sandberg said, "Good walls make good neighbors". Everyone that wants to protect their real estate builds walls of some kind. It might just be a partial measure, but slows down intruders enough to have them caught. The Border Patrol thinks they are a great idea and wants them. We can save tens of billions by spending 5.7 billion dollars. Supporting illegal aliens is very expensive and increases criminal activity. 

This is a good video for you Ron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNSRWpEfPMk

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Jeff, I watched it. There are indeed some areas that a fence does not make sense, but the vast majority does make sense. The cost benefit ratio is overwhelmingly in favor of cutting illegal immigration and returning illegal immigrants to their home countries. For the facts please take the time to see this information. https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers?gclid=CjwKCAiAqOriBRAfEiwAEb9oXcMhx2l-F7PWcR_80_bh4H2eQrV2jImAedhsqw7nvYy0TdDfCQh5xhoCiZkQAvD_BwE

Of course, visa overstays, anchor babies and other sources of drugs need to be addressed as well. Keep in mind that Democrats want illegals to vote and are fighting for zero checking of citizenship and residency. They are waiting to steal any election they can. 

Here is my topic on Immigration https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uf8P2CgJebsA8a_jVKfAYRFEL5zBcdvZBIMrVZNKI3E/edit#

Edited February 7, 2019 by ronwagn
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On 1/24/2019 at 11:01 PM, ronwagn said:

All the Democrats need to do is approve the wall funding. Then the workers will all get paid. 

How many workers is that? A modern high tech smart-sensor wall is hardly the berlin wall. 

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On 1/26/2021 at 2:15 PM, surrept33 said:

How many workers is that? A modern high tech smart-sensor wall is hardly the berlin wall. 

We need real walls to keep people out. Sensors are secondary and don't stop anyone. The Democrats want MORE illegal aliens.