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France has recalled its ambassador in Rome on Thursday after what it described as baseless and repeated attacks from Italy’s political leaders, whom it urged to return to a more friendly stance. Italy’s two deputy prime ministers, Matteo Salvini of the right-wing League and Luigi Di Maio of the populist, anti-establishment 5-Star movement, have in recent months goaded French President Emmanuel Macron on a number of issues.“France has been, for several months, the target of repeated, baseless attacks and outrageous statements,” its foreign ministry said in a statement. “Having disagreements is one thing, but manipulating the relationship for electoral aims is another,” it added, calling Italy’s attacks without precedent since World War Two. Di Maio has labelled France a creator of poverty in Africa and met with leaders of the “yellow vest” anti-government movement, while Salvini accused it of doing nothing to bring peace to Libya. The two deputy premiers, who swept to power last year, appear to believe that attacking Macron, a fervent Europhile, would motivate their domestic voter base before EU elections in May.
 

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Sounds familiar...

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5 minutes ago, Pavel said:

Sounds familiar...

No, it's not what you think. If you think of it...  :) It had to have been a global warming. Or something else...

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8 minutes ago, pinto said:

No, it's not what you think. If you think of it...  :) It had to have been a global warming. Or something else...

So close my friend.. Indeed, any similarity with events here is just a coincidence... :)  I’m not talking about President Trump effect😂😂

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I don't blame France for temporarily withdrawing its ambassador to Italy. Top officials of the far left/far right coalition govt in Rome have lent their support to a yellow-vest "insurrection (their words, not mine) in France. The populist coalition in Italy is long on sleaziness and short on knowledge, and not at all interested in a society based on law. 

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The yellow jackets are not going to go away until Macron resigns. It's going to be very interesting... 

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Some yellow jackets have announced plans to run in the European elections in May.  But they have already announced four or five competing lists  adding more disputes to the growing divisions in the movement.

I think the protest will fade away in the coming weeks or months and Macron will easily survive this.

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6 hours ago, 50 shades of black said:

So, sometimes democracy turns into anarchy, very easy... "Gilets jaunes" are best example of it.

Pure democracy is tyranny by the majority. That pretty well describes the European Union. 

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5 hours ago, Guillaume Albasini said:

Some yellow jackets have announced plans to run in the European elections in May.  But they have already announced four or five competing lists  adding more disputes to the growing divisions in the movement.

I think the protest will fade away in the coming weeks or months and Macron will easily survive this.

Macron popularity 25% Trump is at 49% https://thehill.com/policy/international/417345-macrons-popularity-drops-to-25-percent-poll

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13 hours ago, ronwagn said:

But Ron, that is not a "true" reading of American sentiment!  At least, not according to our friends on the left.  :) 

In fact, the left must be full on conspiracy theory that ANY poll aside from hicksville USA, where the yokels don't know what's good for them, that shows ANY approval of President Trump has got to be a plot to mislead (probably a poll taken by THE RUSSIANS!).

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14 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Pure democracy is tyranny by the majority. That pretty well describes the European Union. 

Some in Europe say that the American system is tyranny by majority. 

Any member that want to leave the Union can. Where is the Tyranny. Serious fact based arguments please. There is no tyranny. there is just a lot of small countries deciding that benefit to being in the union outweighs the cost. SO PLEASE STOP SPREADING FAKE NEWS!!!!!

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15 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Some in Europe say that the American system is tyranny by majority. 

Any member that want to leave the Union can. Where is the Tyranny. Serious fact based arguments please. There is no tyranny. there is just a lot of small countries deciding that benefit to being in the union outweighs the cost. SO PLEASE STOP SPREADING FAKE NEWS!!!!!

The European Union is tyrannical IMHO. They want to force each member and proposed member to allow illegal immigrants to be allowed as a condition for membership. Britain, Italy, Hungary, Poland, and other nations have objected strenuously. Merkel has lost her support to a great extent and France's Macron has a 25% popularity rating. Even in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats are rising in power.  Germany and France are very close because of failing leaders binding themselves together in an informal pact while desiring to build a European Army without even fulfilling their commitments to NATO. The Yellow Vest movement in France is another symptom of the terrible leadership of Macron. 

Europe is obviously run by an entrenched elite. Macron is a perfect example. Almost every one of the leaders of France has come from the university he graduated from. He is married to one of his teachers who is substantially older than he. 

The European Union has been very tyrannical in its negotiations with Britain on completing their Brexit. They have been extremely unhelpful and downright rude to the British. 

Here is my topic on Europe https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TZsn83XNk680GCDtoabeYhH7qefzXqjxvIFObWKsbB0/edit

Britain https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QdcOTTrbFyKFYBJOzEHvKUrkdq_A7QyWwAgZXt5ybi0/edit

Globalism https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8kNhtZJLuN66TpDuo67WBV1U2JhhZIvAefxeMNK0ls/edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_border_barrier 

https://21stcenturynationalist.com/2019/01/29/trump-popularity-easily-beats-pelosi-merkel-and-macron/

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/08/future-german-leader-calls-eu-army-avoid-being-plaything-us-china-russia/

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13 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

But Ron, that is not a "true" reading of American sentiment!  At least, not according to our friends on the left.  :) 

In fact, the left must be full on conspiracy theory that ANY poll aside from hicksville USA, where the yokels don't know what's good for them, that shows ANY approval of President Trump has got to be a plot to mislead (probably a poll taken by THE RUSSIANS!).

They will be astonished that Trump is now up to 50% approval!

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On 2/9/2019 at 2:30 AM, ronwagn said:

They will be astonished that Trump is now up to 50% approval!

... in just one poll (the Rasmiusen Reports/ Pulse Opinion Research).  In most of the others the level is rather around 40%. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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So how's Macron's approval ratings these days?

Single digits or teens?

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On 2/9/2019 at 1:59 AM, ronwagn said:

The European Union is tyrannical IMHO. I respect your opinion but where are the facts?  They want to force each member and proposed member to allow illegal immigrants to be allowed as a condition for membership. What a load of Toro caca. Simply not true. And even if it was - countries can choose NOT to be members, so the pros must outweigh the cons.  Britain, Italy, Hungary, Poland, and other nations have objected strenuously. Italy wants the distribution key. Merkel has lost her support to a great extent and France's Macron has a 25% popularity rating. Even in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats are rising in power.  they are 15 -16 % of the votes. Do you want tyranny of the minority. Germany and France are very close because of failing leaders binding themselves together in an informal pact while desiring to build a European Army without even fulfilling their commitments to NATO. The Yellow Vest movement in France is another symptom of the terrible leadership of Macron.

Europe is obviously run by an entrenched elite. Macron is a perfect example. Almost every one of the leaders of France has come from the university he graduated from. He is married to one of his teachers who is substantially older than he. 

The European Union has been very tyrannical in its negotiations with Britain on completing their Brexit. They have been extremely unhelpful and downright rude to the British. TORO CACA! that is the same as saying Trump has been unhelpful in NAFTA re-negotiations. EU has NOT and WILL not stand in the way of hard brexit. 

Here is my topic on Europe https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TZsn83XNk680GCDtoabeYhH7qefzXqjxvIFObWKsbB0/edit

Britain https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QdcOTTrbFyKFYBJOzEHvKUrkdq_A7QyWwAgZXt5ybi0/edit

Globalism https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8kNhtZJLuN66TpDuo67WBV1U2JhhZIvAefxeMNK0ls/edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_border_barrier 

https://21stcenturynationalist.com/2019/01/29/trump-popularity-easily-beats-pelosi-merkel-and-macron/

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/08/future-german-leader-calls-eu-army-avoid-being-plaything-us-china-russia/

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For clarity - I do not think the EU is perfect ( about 65 % good, 35 % bad), but it is posts and opinions like yours that make it impossible to discuss reforms that could make the EU work - you seem to take a Breitbart opinion at face value. It is such a shame. 

Ron, pls do not take this personally because it is not meant as such. A friend once (jokingly in a work context) told me : never argue with an idiot. He will just drag you down to his level and beat you with  experience. I think there is a part of this in theextreme communications strategies.... instead of discussing what we can do to improve our societies / world we end up responding to outragous claims / opinions. 

Disclaimer : I am politically moderate left, fiscal conservative. 

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Rasmus, you have a strong habit of being obnoxious and not paying any attention to the facts presented. I went to a lot of trouble to present my argument and you have no comment on the argument but are very anxious to dismiss my facts without comment. There is no point in dealing with you so you are muted. 

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23 hours ago, Guillaume Albasini said:

... in just one poll (the Rasmiusen Reports/ Pulse Opinion Research).  In most of the others the level is rather around 40%. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The poll that counts will come up in less than two years. Meanwhile, Macron and Merkel are much lower and going down. 

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5 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Rasmus, you have a strong habit of being obnoxious and not paying any attention to the facts presented. I went to a lot of trouble to present my argument and you have no comment on the argument but are very anxious to dismiss my facts without comment. There is no point in dealing with you so you are muted. 

Obnoxious? 

You have not presented any facts. You have presented opinions as facts. I am sorry to be so direct, but you are in fact spreading false news! and that is ruining the possibillity of having a quality discussion. 

I will spell it out: 

On 2/9/2019 at 1:59 AM, ronwagn said:

They want to force each member and proposed member to allow illegal immigrants to be allowed as a condition for membership

No. EU have made a distribution key which they forced through. But the distribution key is for all LEGAL asylum seekers. The EU have said nothing about Italys Salvini decree which basically says all non-legal immigrants are to receive no government aid. The issue in Europe is toseperate real refugees from economic migrants. This is an enforcement issue.

Furhter - if someone doesn't like the rules of the Union they are free to leave. No Tyrany. 

On 2/9/2019 at 1:59 AM, ronwagn said:

Even in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats are rising in power

They have 15 - 16 % of the votes. Do you want tyranny of the minority? 

On 2/9/2019 at 1:59 AM, ronwagn said:

The European Union has been very tyrannical in its negotiations with Britain on completing their Brexit. They have been extremely unhelpful and downright rude to the British. 

Say what???? 

So trump can say America first. But EU cannot say EU first

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Brexit again? it's turning into the Hitler argument that ends all arguments.

Anyway, France and Italy are playing in the Six Nations championship two weeks from now. Maybe they can take their differences to the pitch and sort it out like men. :)

 

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1 hour ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Say what???? 

So trump can say America first. But EU cannot say EU first

That's the spirit!  Not exactly Nationalism, but certainly better than Globalism.

Trump fights for America first.

Putin fights for Russia first.

Xi fights for China first.

Brussels fights for Brussels first.

Oh wait...

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11 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

???? 

I was attempting some levity.  Clearly, I fell flat on my face instead.

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9 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I was attempting some levity.  Clearly, I fell flat on my face instead.

Tom, 

I have no issues with the opinions that @ronwagn presents. I am just hoping to focus this discussion on facts. The EU is far from perfect. If I could I would change many things about the EU. But critizism needs to be based on FACTS! 

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