Pavel + 384 PP February 19, 2019 Pakistan’s foreign minister appealed to the U.N. Secretary General on Tuesday to help ease tension with India that has escalated sharply following a suicide bomb attack in the Indian part of disputed Kashmir, that India blamed on Pakistan. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, facing an election by May, has warned Pakistan to expect a “strong response” to the bombing claimed by a Pakistan-linked militant group, raising fears of conflict between the nuclear-armed neighbors. “It is with a sense of urgency that I draw your attention to the deteriorating security situation in our region resulting from the threat of use of force against Pakistan by India,” Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi wrote to U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres. “It is imperative to take steps for de-escalation. The United Nations must step in to defuse tensions,” he wrote, blaming India for deliberately ratcheting up its hostile rhetoric for domestic political reasons. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinto + 293 PZ February 19, 2019 Pakistan affiliates Afghan peace talking by its relation with India which is something very apart. This time Pakistan confronts nighbours reaction.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damirUSBiH + 327 DD February 19, 2019 Imran Khan said India should "stop blaming Pakistan without any proof or evidence" and urged Indian authorities to share any "actionable intelligence". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavel + 384 PP February 19, 2019 Pakistan is mother and father of all terrorist cells.... 3 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rainman + 263 February 19, 2019 I hope that two nations will find each other enough now that many die.. But, India needs to show evidence for these claims. We know that the elections near, but peace is more important than Modi's win.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50 shades of black + 254 February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, rainman said: I hope that two nations will find each other enough now that many die.. But, India needs to show evidence for these claims. We know that the elections near, but peace is more important than Modi's win.... " Pakistan based terror group (JeM) has claimed responsibility for the terror attack at Pulwama." Easy to find... 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Pavel said: Pakistan’s foreign minister appealed to the U.N. Secretary General on Tuesday to help ease tension with India that has escalated sharply following a suicide bomb attack in the Indian part of disputed Kashmir, that India blamed on Pakistan. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, facing an election by May, has warned Pakistan to expect a “strong response” to the bombing claimed by a Pakistan-linked militant group, raising fears of conflict between the nuclear-armed neighbors. “It is with a sense of urgency that I draw your attention to the deteriorating security situation in our region resulting from the threat of use of force against Pakistan by India,” Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi wrote to U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres. “It is imperative to take steps for de-escalation. The United Nations must step in to defuse tensions,” he wrote, blaming India for deliberately ratcheting up its hostile rhetoric for domestic political reasons. Pakistan has a strong enough military and intelligence agency to control a lot of these terrorists. They seem to use the various groups for their own benefits. They had no trouble hiding Osama for years. It took extraordinary measures to find him right next to one of their military bases. 2 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, ronwagn said: Pakistan has a strong enough military and intelligence agency to control a lot of these terrorists. They seem to use the various groups for their own benefits. They had no trouble hiding Osama for years. It took extraordinary measures to find him right next to one of their military bases. The fact of the matter is that this goes on all the time, and Pakistan always does the same thing........ ie: PAKISTANI TERRORISTS ATTACK INDIA, AND BEFORE INDIA CAN RESPOND, PAKISTAN COMPLAINS TO THE UNITED NATIONS SAYING "HELP US, THE MEAN INDIANS WANT TO HURT US." Isn't is interesting how fast Pakistan always complains to the UN ? Almost as if the Pakistani government knew in advance that the attack was going to occur....! Last year, it was Pakistani terrorists killing tourists at an India Luxury Hotel.......... Long ago, my father used to joke that "the saddest thing about the end of the cold war is that Russia didn't nuke New York and Washington DC first........ I feel the same way about Pakistan.......... War between Pakistan and India is inevitable, and it will be Pakistan that starts it.... Personally, i hope India wins......... I had a girlfriend in college from India..... She was gorgeous... And so polite....... That was a long time ago.... I hope she has had a good life............. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Illurion said: The fact of the matter is that this goes on all the time, and Pakistan always does the same thing........ ie: PAKISTANI TERRORISTS ATTACK INDIA, AND BEFORE INDIA CAN RESPOND, PAKISTAN COMPLAINS TO THE UNITED NATIONS SAYING "HELP US, THE MEAN INDIANS WANT TO HURT US." Isn't is interesting how fast Pakistan always complains to the UN ? Almost as if the Pakistani government knew in advance that the attack was going to occur....! Last year, it was Pakistani terrorists killing tourists at an India Luxury Hotel.......... Long ago, my father used to joke that "the saddest thing about the end of the cold war is that Russia didn't nuke New York and Washington DC first........ I feel the same way about Pakistan.......... War between Pakistan and India is inevitable, and it will be Pakistan that starts it.... Personally, i hope India wins......... I had a girlfriend in college from India..... She was gorgeous... And so polite....... That was a long time ago.... I hope she has had a good life............. Sadly we would have to nuke most of our cities to help impede control of more states by Democrats. Said in Jest. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rashed ALSAYED + 11 February 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Pavel said: Pakistan’s foreign minister appealed to the U.N. Secretary General on Tuesday to help ease tension with India that has escalated sharply following a suicide bomb attack in the Indian part of disputed Kashmir, that India blamed on Pakistan. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, facing an election by May, has warned Pakistan to expect a “strong response” to the bombing claimed by a Pakistan-linked militant group, raising fears of conflict between the nuclear-armed neighbors. “It is with a sense of urgency that I draw your attention to the deteriorating security situation in our region resulting from the threat of use of force against Pakistan by India,” Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi wrote to U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres. “It is imperative to take steps for de-escalation. The United Nations must step in to defuse tensions,” he wrote, blaming India for deliberately ratcheting up its hostile rhetoric for domestic political reasons. both of them going to have to sit otherwise its going to get bad 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA February 20, 2019 3 hours ago, ronwagn said: Pakistan has a strong enough military and intelligence agency to control a lot of these terrorists Their military/intelligence created and trained these terrorists 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 20, 2019 (edited) Britishers ruled, plundered and exploited this subcontinent and divided the country before leaving. Both India and Pakistan are suffering because of that sinister, ill witted partition. Today two nuclear neighbors are hostile to each other since birth and fought many wars and lost thousands of people -counted both sides. Borders are never calm and unprovoked shelling, firing from both sides are a common place. Situations in the bordering states like Punjab and J&K are testimony to never ending hostilities of these two arch rivals. Once most powerful British Empire is today reduced to an Island which is again most divided, polarized and in a state of total pandemonium and expectedly waiting to be further splitted post hard Brexit. It is predicted that the importance of London will fade away and reduced to nowhere within a decade post Brexit . Neighbors always have problems in the borders, few erect concertina fencing , few build walls -all because of political reasons , occasionally do end up in fighting but terrorism across the borders is a global menace. Today USA, Europe, India, China, Arabs and all countries suffer because of this . This is a global challenge and needs global action. No nation can afford War in 21st Century. No more death and mourning , the World needs peace, prosperity and togetherness. We are same people, same hope , aspirations and compassion- just divided by boundaries, colour of the skin , languages and religions. Edited February 20, 2019 by Sukumar Ray 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liberty County Landman + 2 February 20, 2019 This powder keg has been a long time coming. India and China also having disputes barely covered by MSM. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHUPINDER KUMAR + 6 BK February 21, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 8:00 PM, damirUSBiH said: Imran Khan said India should "stop blaming Pakistan without any proof or evidence" and urged Indian authorities to share any "actionable intelligence". i am of the opinion that may times proofs have been given to Govt of Pakistan by Indian but they dont budge... and they never accept. Secondly what else proof does Pakistan wants when the person who is claiming the responsibility of the attack lives in Pakistan who hijacked the plane from India and got himself released ... Now they fear action from Indian Army... they need to take corrective action at their end But they keep appeasing the hardliners in their own country .... Needless to mention Army of Pakistan has its own agenda 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Liberty County Landman said: This powder keg has been a long time coming. India and China also having disputes barely covered by MSM. Yes, true. India has border disputes with China also. But these border disputes should never become a war like situation. China, India and Pakistan all three Asian countries have powerful military with nuke capabilities . All are aware of each others abilities and it is maintaining a balance in the region . India is a peace loving country and are never agressive and hostile to any country. In its 5000 years history India has never attacked any country in the World. 1 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illurion + 894 IG February 21, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 12:48 AM, Sukumar Ray said: Britishers ruled, plundered and exploited this subcontinent and divided the country before leaving. Both India and Pakistan are suffering because of that sinister, ill witted partition. Today two nuclear neighbors are hostile to each other since birth and fought many wars and lost thousands of people -counted both sides. Borders are never calm and unprovoked shelling, firing from both sides are a common place. Situations in the bordering states like Punjab and J&K are testimony to never ending hostilities of these two arch rivals. Once most powerful British Empire is today reduced to an Island which is again most divided, polarized and in a state of total pandemonium and expectedly waiting to be further splitted post hard Brexit. It is predicted that the importance of London will fade away and reduced to nowhere within a decade post Brexit . Neighbors always have problems in the borders, few erect concertina fencing , few build walls -all because of political reasons , occasionally do end up in fighting but terrorism across the borders is a global menace. Today USA, Europe, India, China, Arabs and all countries suffer because of this . This is a global challenge and needs global action. No nation can afford War in 21st Century. No more death and mourning , the World needs peace, prosperity and togetherness. We are same people, same hope , aspirations and compassion- just divided by boundaries, colour of the skin , languages and religions. I disagree..... The difference between Pakistan and India is RELIGIOUS......... NOT POLITICAL........... The British are absolutely NOT responsible for religious wars between Pakistan and India.... As an outside observer: India's main religion is peaceful........ Pakistan's main religion is NOT peaceful........ The vast majority of the terrorist attacks are by Pakistan's religious terrorists..... Those are the facts....... Please stop blaming the British.. I am not even British, but even i can see they are not part of this....... 1 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA February 22, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 9:48 PM, Sukumar Ray said: Britishers ruled, plundered and exploited this subcontinent and divided the country before leaving How long are you Inders going to keep using this excuse for all your problems? I think the partition is the best thing that ever happened to India. Do you really want 200 million more Muslims as part of India? I'm surprised you didn't blame the British for the caste system too. 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, shadowkin said: How long are you Inders going to keep using this excuse for all your problems? I think the partition is the best thing that ever happened to India. Do you really want 200 million more Muslims as part of India? I'm surprised you didn't blame the British for the caste system too. I completely disagree. Partition is the Worst thing that had happened and causing calamities across our borders . Britishers did terrible things . It comes back to you what you do unto others. India has the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia and Pakistan and living peacefully since Independence . Imagine no partition happened . India, Bangladesh and Pakistan combined would have given huge geographical position and 375 million extra population working for the development of the nation.India could have spent billions for developmental works , education , health and infrastructure which is currently wasted for protecting its borders and cross border terrorism. Political equation with China would have been different . BTW, If you think Muslims are a problem for India , then you are truly Insane and Inhuman. Muslims in this country can become President and have been contributing for the development of India like any people from other religions. India is a divine and mysterious land where so many religions can co-exists peacefully and you should been surprised for that. Edited February 22, 2019 by Sukumar Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 22, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Illurion said: I disagree..... The difference between Pakistan and India is RELIGIOUS......... NOT POLITICAL........... The British are absolutely NOT responsible for religious wars between Pakistan and India.... As an outside observer: India's main religion is peaceful........ Pakistan's main religion is NOT peaceful........ The vast majority of the terrorist attacks are by Pakistan's religious terrorists..... Those are the facts....... Please stop blaming the British.. I am not even British, but even i can see they are not part of this....... I think- difference between India and Pakistan is partly Religious and MOSTLY POLITICAL. Partition creating Borders and Inconclusive Borders which we call "Line of Control" and "Actual Line of Control" are true bone of contention- not Religion. India has been maintaining very good and strong relations with many countries in the world who are more religious Islamic than Pakistan. Religions really does not make such difference in this world, otherwise Muslim countries would not have fought against each other indulging in Fratricidal Wars. As for example, China and Japan , North Korea and South Korea , USA and Russia have enmity emanating from Religious differences ?? I do not think so. Who can be blamed for partition of India according to you ? Can you please kindly enlighten me on that ? Edited February 22, 2019 by Sukumar Ray 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sukumar Ray + 52 February 22, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Sukumar Ray said: I completely disagree. Partition is the Worst thing that had happened and causing calamities across our borders . Britishers did terrible things . It comes back to you what you do unto others. India has the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia and Pakistan and living peacefully since Independence . Imagine no partition happened . India, Bangladesh and Pakistan combined would have given huge geographical position and 375 million extra population working for the development of the nation.India could have spent billions for developmental works , education , health and infrastructure which is currently wasted for protecting its borders and cross border terrorism. Political equation with China would have been different and If you think Muslims are a problem for India , then you are truly Insane and Inhuman. Muslims in this country can become President and have been contributing for the development of India like people from other religion. India is a divine and mysterious land where so many religions can co-exists peacefully and you should really be surprised for that. Cast system in India originated much before British History- since Vedic Ages. It will continue till Hinduism exits. It is in our Holy Scripts. BTW, there are so many sects in other religions also like in Islam and Christianity . Who created them -Any Idea ?? Edited February 22, 2019 by Sukumar Ray 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Foote + 1,135 JF February 22, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 6:46 PM, ronwagn said: Pakistan has a strong enough military and intelligence agency to control a lot of these terrorists. They seem to use the various groups for their own benefits. They had no trouble hiding Osama for years. It took extraordinary measures to find him right next to one of their military bases. The search for Bin Laden was a huge source of revenue. It's the Pakistan Army, the mercenary branch, that protects the House of Saud. However they have their limits, that declined to attack Yemen. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA February 22, 2019 16 hours ago, Sukumar Ray said: Cast system in India originated much before British History- since Vedic Ages. It will continue till Hinduism exits. It is in our Holy Scripts. BTW, there are so many sects in other religions also like in Islam and Christianity . Who created them -Any Idea ?? You're misunderstanding. Maybe something lost in translation. Yes the caste system was created in India. My point was not a few Inders in the West are always blaming the caste system on 'Britishers' or the exploitation of it by them. But if Inders hadn't of dreamt up such a system there would be nothing to exploit along these lines. Btw a caste system within a religion is different than sects as exist in Islam and Christianity or Judaism. That is an apples to oranges comparison. 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowkin + 584 EA February 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, John Foote said: It's the Pakistan Army, the mercenary branch, that protects the House of Saud. However they have their limits, that declined to attack Yemen. I would argue it's more the ISI. At any rate yes the Paks have their limit. Not only Yemen but Saudi wanted a Muslim NATO and they wanted Pak to do the majority of fighting and dying while Saudis sat back in palaces drinking coffee and being fanned by foreign workers. Saudi thought because they threw money at Pak in the past and promised to in the future they could get their way but no dice. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Foote + 1,135 JF February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, shadowkin said: I would argue it's more the ISI. At any rate yes the Paks have their limit. Not only Yemen but Saudi wanted a Muslim NATO and they wanted Pak to do the majority of fighting and dying while Saudis sat back in palaces drinking coffee and being fanned by foreign workers. Saudi thought because they threw money at Pak in the past and promised to in the future they could get their way but no dice. The KSA also wanted their nukes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 25, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 9:48 PM, Sukumar Ray said: Britishers ruled, plundered and exploited this subcontinent and divided the country before leaving. Both India and Pakistan are suffering because of that sinister, ill witted partition. Today two nuclear neighbors are hostile to each other since birth and fought many wars and lost thousands of people -counted both sides. Borders are never calm and unprovoked shelling, firing from both sides are a common place. Situations in the bordering states like Punjab and J&K are testimony to never ending hostilities of these two arch rivals. Once most powerful British Empire is today reduced to an Island which is again most divided, polarized and in a state of total pandemonium and expectedly waiting to be further splitted post hard Brexit. It is predicted that the importance of London will fade away and reduced to nowhere within a decade post Brexit . Neighbors always have problems in the borders, few erect concertina fencing , few build walls -all because of political reasons , occasionally do end up in fighting but terrorism across the borders is a global menace. Today USA, Europe, India, China, Arabs and all countries suffer because of this . This is a global challenge and needs global action. No nation can afford War in 21st Century. No more death and mourning , the World needs peace, prosperity and togetherness. We are same people, same hope , aspirations and compassion- just divided by boundaries, colour of the skin , languages and religions. Without the partition, far more blood would have been shed and the Muslims would be in total control of India and beyond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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