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On 4/6/2019 at 11:53 AM, Danlxyz said:

 

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Were they Pearl Necklaces? 

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The protocol is pretty clear, accept the gift, but as a representative of the government, you can't personal benefit from it.

Think of Nixon and the pandas.

The rejection, giving back, is just too wrong in many cultures and societies.

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You have to give Obama credit for truly pissing the KSA off like no other president in American history. No way they'd invite him, he'd lecture MBS who is pretty immune to taking advice, who'd lecture back saying we don't understand Arabia (we don't). Obama came to view the region as a lost cause with no allies, just conflicting interests (except Israel). I have no familiarity with the Churchill bust.

Reagan was the one who started the big bucks ex-president for the rubber chicken dinner circuit, collecting first in Japan. Clinton went into overdrive on it. Clinton commercialized being a candidate, and ex-president, like no one before. It's become another sad fact of many American elected politicians. Now for the right personality just running is a source of money (Beto comes to mind).

I personally first encountered the gift giving thing in Japan. We'd just turn the stuff over to the legal department, and give them an oversized Texas longhorn belt buckle in return. Hook 'Um Horns! 

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It was Trump's first visit. It's not a state secret the House of Saud came to loath Obama. They thought Bush43 was ill advised, but they didn't loath him. Obama was quite naive to the region and rode in as the "not Bush43" wave. That didn't last.

Obama's public support for the Arab Spring was reason one for the strain on "the special relationship" between USA and KSA. The notion of people self-governing is a capital offense in the KSA. And pretty much everything Obama did concerning Syria also rubbed the House of Saud wrong. 

Not defending, or attacking Obama, but anyone who thinks Obama did things to benefit his wealth, or potential wealth, from KSA,  you are seriously misinformed. I personally think he muddled the mess and probably made it worst. Bush43 pretty much assured generations of chaos. Not that it was calm before, but effectively collapsing the ability for governance doesn't work well in a region were the biggest threats are not the governments. 

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