Zhong Lu + 845 August 7, 2019 The logic of a lot of Trump supporters is myopic and wrong. What's likely to happen is both sides lose. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 8, 2019 17 hours ago, Zhong Lu said: The logic of a lot of Trump supporters is myopic and wrong. What's likely to happen is both sides lose. Perhaps, but does the US lose more than the $300 billion annually that it was losing with the unfair balance of trade that was the status quo? If they do not, then it is a win by Trump. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Foote + 1,135 JF August 8, 2019 If Trump moves help the balance of trade, but will that be the case. How will Europe act? . Still early days, but the actual balance today is significantly worse, despite the energy sector doing better. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade The imbalance was mostly stable 2010-16. Trending worse now. The US can successfully become far more insular, but it will come at a standard of living cost. The trend with China alone is more neutral. https://tradingeconomics.com/china/balance-of-trade 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 August 8, 2019 22 hours ago, Zhong Lu said: The logic of a lot of Trump supporters is myopic and wrong. What's likely to happen is both sides lose. I'm a Trump supporter. Obviously I am eeeeevil. Although I do get weary of being called names. Reza Aslan Calls For “Eradication” of Kellyanne Conway and Trump Supporters Following the mass shooting in El Paso, Aslan, a former CNN host, tweeted, “After today there is no longer any room for nuance. The President is a white nationalist terror leader. His supporters – ALL OF THEM – are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. The MAGA hat is a KKK hood. And this evil, racist scourge must be eradicated from society.” Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan Replying to @rezaaslan After today there is no longer any room for nuance. The President is a white nationalist terror leader. His supporters - ALL OF THEM - are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. The MAGA hat is a KKK hood. And this evil, racist scourge must be eradicated from society. 2,182 07:39 - 5 Aug 2019 He followed it up by later using the same language against Kellyanne Conway, tweeting, “You are “the depraved evil” we need to eradicate.” Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan You are “the depraved evil” we need to eradicate. https://twitter.com/kellyannepolls/status/1158030724856811522 … Kellyanne Conway We need to come together, America. Finger-pointing, name-calling & screaming with your keyboards is easy, yet... It solves not a single problem, saves not a single life. Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone’s duty. Unity. Let’s do this. 1,963 03:27 - 5 Aug 2019 After people reported the tweets, Twitter said that they didn’t violate the site’s rules. Despite being ‘ratioed’ numerous times, Aslan refused to apologize for his language and subsequently doubled down. Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan The President is a violent hate leader who daily promotes terrorism against Americans who look like me and my children, so if you’re someone who thinks I should “watch my language” in responding to this racist pig you can go fuck yourself too. 8,739 00:21 - 6 Aug 2019 What’s particularly disturbing about the first tweet is that if you replaced Trump supporters with hispanics as the target, it could have been lifted straight from the shooter’s manifesto. ... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhong Lu + 845 August 8, 2019 (edited) I'm not calling them evil. I'm calling them stupid and very bad at predicting the future and dealing with cultures outside of America. Personally I think Donald Trump has good intentions for America. Just like George Bush. Edited August 8, 2019 by Zhong Lu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Zhong Lu said: I'm not calling them evil. I'm calling them stupid and very bad at predicting the future. I get amused when people call me stupid. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhong Lu + 845 August 8, 2019 (edited) You're not stupid at many things. But that doesn't mean you're not stupid at some things. Either way we'll see. I don't foresee a trade deal happening anytime soon. The Chinese government will continue its delaying and salami tactics. Edited August 8, 2019 by Zhong Lu 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: I'm a Trump supporter. Obviously I am eeeeevil. Although I do get weary of being called names. Reza Aslan Calls For “Eradication” of Kellyanne Conway and Trump Supporters Following the mass shooting in El Paso, Aslan, a former CNN host, tweeted, “After today there is no longer any room for nuance. The President is a white nationalist terror leader. His supporters – ALL OF THEM – are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. The MAGA hat is a KKK hood. And this evil, racist scourge must be eradicated from society.” Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan Replying to @rezaaslan After today there is no longer any room for nuance. The President is a white nationalist terror leader. His supporters - ALL OF THEM - are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. The MAGA hat is a KKK hood. And this evil, racist scourge must be eradicated from society. 2,182 07:39 - 5 Aug 2019 He followed it up by later using the same language against Kellyanne Conway, tweeting, “You are “the depraved evil” we need to eradicate.” Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan You are “the depraved evil” we need to eradicate. https://twitter.com/kellyannepolls/status/1158030724856811522 … Kellyanne Conway We need to come together, America. Finger-pointing, name-calling & screaming with your keyboards is easy, yet... It solves not a single problem, saves not a single life. Working as one to understand depraved evil & to eradicate hate is everyone’s duty. Unity. Let’s do this. 1,963 03:27 - 5 Aug 2019 After people reported the tweets, Twitter said that they didn’t violate the site’s rules. Despite being ‘ratioed’ numerous times, Aslan refused to apologize for his language and subsequently doubled down. Reza Aslan ✔@rezaaslan The President is a violent hate leader who daily promotes terrorism against Americans who look like me and my children, so if you’re someone who thinks I should “watch my language” in responding to this racist pig you can go fuck yourself too. 8,739 00:21 - 6 Aug 2019 What’s particularly disturbing about the first tweet is that if you replaced Trump supporters with hispanics as the target, it could have been lifted straight from the shooter’s manifesto. ... Okay, I must also be evil.... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said: Okay, I must also be evil.... No worries, there is a new movie in town, fun for the far left to fantasize about ... Hollywood Is Launching A "Satirical" Movie About "Elites" Hunting, Killing Trump Supporters Scandal Erupts Over Murder-Porn Movie Where Elite Liberals Hunt and Kill Trump Supporters Not that this will in any way incite violence against Trump supporters. < eye roll > "The same people who want you to give up the right to bear arms are the same people making movies about killing Trump supporters for sport," tweeted OANN Chief White House Correspondent Emerald Robinson. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said: No worries, there is a new movie in town, fun for the far left to fantasize about ... Hollywood Is Launching A "Satirical" Movie About "Elites" Hunting, Killing Trump Supporters Scandal Erupts Over Murder-Porn Movie Where Elite Liberals Hunt and Kill Trump Supporters Not that this will in any way incite violence against Trump supporters. < eye roll > "The same people who want you to give up the right to bear arms are the same people making movies about killing Trump supporters for sport," tweeted OANN Chief White House Correspondent Emerald Robinson. Not surprised, curious why they didn't release something similar earlier. That said, this type of behavior seems to be acceptable to liberals, but whoa to anyone else who approaches unacceptable behavior. I guess that since they pulled the ads, but not the film, that this cannot be used to show liberals encouraging violence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 9, 2019 20 hours ago, Zhong Lu said: I'm not calling them evil. I'm calling them stupid and very bad at predicting the future and dealing with cultures outside of America. Personally I think Donald Trump has good intentions for America. Just like George Bush. Lu, You appear to be Chinese and a supporter of the Chinese position during this trade war. I respect that and admire those who support their country. You wrote earlier that, "I'm calling them (Trump supporters) stupid and very bad at predicting the future and dealing with cultures outside of America." Let's look at your statement in segments: Trump supporters are stupid. Do you honestly believe that Trump supporters, all of them (you made the generalization) are less intelligent than yourself or have less of a grasp of current events than you do? If so, wouldn't you agree that this borders on arrogance? Trump suporters are very bad at predicting the future. Unless you have a crystal ball it is very difficult for ANYONE to predict the future when the issue in question is driven by nationalism and emotion. Given the state of modern journalism globally it is exceedingly difficult for any common citizen to collect enough factual information to make even a rudimentary prediction of the future. I am sure that Trump and his staff did not see the Chinese backing out of what appeared to be an initial agreement. I am also sure that Xi and his staff did not see the additional 10% tariff coming. If these two leaders made those errors, based on what we assume is total information, us commoners have no chance at making reasonable predictions. Trump supporters are very bad at dealing with cultures outside of America. This is a double edged sword that could equally apply to mainland Chinese. I am not saying that you are incorrect, but the knife cuts both ways At the end of the day, in the present circumstances, Xi and Trump have two choices, they can either come to an agreement...or not. Xi is President for life, Trump has at most about 5-1/2 years left in office. Xi can attempt to 'wait out' Trump and hope that the next President is weaker, but this will be obvious and not appreciated by the global community. I understand the concept of 'face' as I am married to a Chinese woman and have lived among the Malaysian Chinese community for the past 17 years. It is my OPINION that the possible loss of face to Xi and the Politburo is driving some aspects of this trade war. Is this a lack of cultural understanding from the West or a self-imposed constraint on the Chinese? At the moment I see not only the US, but Hong Kong, Taiwan, and many of the Asian nations (due to the Nine Line Map issue) and African nations (due to the BRI) beginning to disengage from China. Depends on the end result, but the possibility of China losing face globally seems to be growing. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeterNaCl + 4 ps August 9, 2019 The basic problem with China is that the Communist Government was installed by force of arms in 1949 .. and every election which has ever held has been fake .. only candidates certified by the Party to appear on the ballots. The PEOPLE in Peoples' Liberation whatever have never given consent to the Government which cannot be influenced or restrained. As long as China is not governed by the CHINESE People in reality, China will continue to be a world problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenFranklin'sSpectacles + 762 SF August 9, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 1:31 PM, Zhong Lu said: The logic of a lot of Trump supporters is myopic and wrong. What's likely to happen is both sides lose. That depends on your definition of victory. If the goal is to maximize GDP - a mostly arbitrary metric that disproportionately benefits the wealthy - then the trade war is an American loss. If the goal is to improve national security, return to the isolationist principles our nation was founded on, extract ourselves from the world's petty squabbles, reduce military spending, stop bleeding wealth to the rest of the world, and improve the standard of living of average Americans, then the trade war is a resounding win. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhong Lu + 845 August 10, 2019 (edited) Has Trump reduced military spending, the deficit, or improved the standard of living of average Americans? Edited August 10, 2019 by Zhong Lu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenFranklin'sSpectacles + 762 SF August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Zhong Lu said: Has Trump reduced military spending, the deficit, or improved the standard of living of average Americans? He's corrected maintenance & training deficiencies in our military - part of Obama's abysmal legacy. That cost money. Meanwhile, he's extracting us from the world's petty squabbles. That will save money in the long term. When you frame a debate, at least try to sound intelligent about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Zhong Lu said: Has Trump reduced military spending, the deficit, or improved the standard of living of average Americans? Has Xi reduced military spending, the deficit or improved the standard of living of the average Chinese? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhong Lu + 845 August 10, 2019 (edited) On the last point: yes. The other points, no. Not entirely Xi's responsibility as standards of living has been improving in China since Deng. Again, I'm not here to defend Xi. What I'm trying to point out is that it's increasingly unclear to many people around the world as to why the Chinese government is any morally worse or less trustworthy than the US government. Edited August 10, 2019 by Zhong Lu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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