Rob Plant + 2,601 RP October 17, 2019 Boris Johnson declares a Brexit agreement in place - 'We've got great new deal' The DUP has said it still cannot support the agreement, over concerns with VAT and customs. By Rebecca Taylor, news reporter and Greg Heffer, political reporter Thursday 17 October 2019 11:05, UK Image:Boris Johnson says he has got a new Brexit deal that 'takes back control' Why you can trust Sky News Boris Johnson has claimed a "great new deal" has been done with the EU on Brexit, just hours after the DUP appeared to scupper his chances of getting anything through parliament. Mr Johnson has been negotiating with EU officials ahead of a crunch summit to work out the details of his new proposals for Brexit, including solutions to the Irish border problem. Earlier this morning his plans looked in jeopardy as the Democratic Union Party (DUP) who he relies on in the House of Commons, said they would not be supporting the Prime Minister's offer. But this did not dissuade Mr Johnson from continuing talks, and he announced he had a new deal to "get Brexit done". Image:Boris Johnson leaving Downing St as he travels to Brussels He tweeted: "We've got a great new deal that takes back control - now Parliament should get Brexit done on Saturday so we can move on to other priorities like the cost of living, the NHS, violent crime and our environment." Advertisement But almost immediately the DUP said their earlier statement "still stands", meaning Mr Johnson has no guarantees he will pass his plan in parliament this weekend. The DUP had said: "We have been involved in ongoing discussions with the government. More from Politics LIVE: PM gets Brexit deal - but DUP insist they won't back it One question will define this summit - was a Brexit deal done, or delayed once more? No Brexit deal tonight as talks go down to the wire ahead of EU summit Outlook does not look pretty for Boris Johnson in vote on Brexit deal I won't back Corbyn for PM: Veteran Labour MP quits party over antisemitism PM will write letter to EU asking for Brexit delay if no deal by Saturday "As things stand, we could not support what is being suggested on customs and consent issues, and there is a lack of clarity on VAT. "We will continue to work with the government to try and get a sensible deal that works for Northern Ireland and protects the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom." Jean-Claude Juncker ✔@JunckerEU Where there is a will, there is a #deal - we have one! It’s a fair and balanced agreement for the EU and the UK and it is testament to our commitment to find solutions. I recommend that #EUCO endorses this deal. 3,422 10:34 AM - Oct 17, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 4,412 people are talking about this Sterling fell 0.5% to $1.2762 after the DUP statement, but news of a deal from the prime minister sent it back up 1%, to $1.29 dollars. It was up 0.5% against the Euro. President of the EU Commission Jean-Claude Juncker tweeted: "Where there is a will, there is a #deal - we have one! It's a fair and balanced agreement for the EU and the UK and it is testament to our commitment to find solutions. I recommend that #EUCO endorses this deal." In a letter he said it was "high time" to complete the divorce process and move on to negotiate the future relationship. The news of a deal has been met with little support from political opponents of the prime minister in the UK. Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said: "The fight to stop Brexit is far from over. "Boris Johnson's deal would be bad for our economy, bad for our public services, and bad for our environment. "The next few days will set the direction of our country for generations, and I am more determined than ever to stop Brexit. "When this deal comes to parliament we will use every possible opportunity to give the public a People's Vote on the Brexit deal that includes the option to remain in the EU." Of his allies, Simon Clarke, Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury, tweeted: "It is marvellous news that we have a good new Brexit Deal that will allow us to take back control and leave on 31 October. The anti-democratic backstop has been abolished, we will be able to strike our own free trade deals and Northern Ireland will be in the UK customs territory." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP October 17, 2019 And now for the idiots in parliament to vote against it and back to square one! 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 October 17, 2019 I’m hoping for a clean break Brexit... 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 17, 2019 I guess we're going to be heading for another election pretty soon 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 October 17, 2019 American politics can be a circus....but at least when we vote, that’s it! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 17, 2019 Just now, Douglas Buckland said: American politics can be a circus....but at least when we vote, that’s it! Standard operating proceedure with anything EU related. They just make everyone vote again and again until they give the right answer 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP October 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said: I’m hoping for a clean break Brexit... Yep we've pi**ed about long enough, businesses and social services have suffered enough. Time to get on with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 October 17, 2019 The obstructionist Congress in the US has been teaching the obstructionists in Parliament how to play. Democracy be damned globalists uber alles 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said: "The fight to stop Brexit is far from over. "Boris Johnson's deal would be bad for our economy, bad for our public services, and bad for our environment. "The next few days will set the direction of our country for generations, and I am more determined than ever to stop Brexit. For our American friends, just to put this in context ... the Liberal Democrat's main policy is to cancel Brexit altogether. Think about that. ''We will ignore the biggest vote this country has ever had and 17.4 million people''. Good luck in the polls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said: American politics can be a circus....but at least when we vote, that’s it! Not according to what the Demoncrats did before Trump even was elected or took office. They have been trying to impeach him, without cause, since he took office. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, DayTrader said: For our American friends, just to put this in context ... the Liberal Democrat's main policy is to cancel Brexit altogether. Think about that. ''We will ignore the biggest vote this country has ever had and 17.4 million people''. Good luck in the polls. Waiting for Farage and his party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 17, 2019 (edited) Hahah yep, the vote is upheld, but then do nothing at all but try and dirty that vote. Oh, just like UK politicians 4 minutes ago, ronwagn said: since he took office. Edited October 17, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 17, 2019 Farage on faux Brexit right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4n49VjdYQ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 439 October 17, 2019 Brexit and EU .......... the discussions have been going on like the cartoon above.......... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 18, 2019 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4n49VjdYQ Before anyone gets too excited, watch Nigel Farage's radio show about BJ's 'deal'. He suggests it's 95% the same as May's deal, says that all 3 words 'great new deal' are incorrect and it's not Brexit. Juncker, presumably speaking for all 27 countries, says no extension BUT he is fine with one for a second referendum... hmm. The deal is a joke, watch Farage at the start reel off the things the UK are still binded to. If the EU like the deal, that tells you everything ... #leavemeansleave Edited October 18, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 18, 2019 (edited) It ain't Brexit, it's Bremain Boring yes. Agreed. Edited October 18, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 18, 2019 Saturday’s vote to decide Brexit is set to be delayed, after an extraordinary procedural move by MPs who fear the UK could still crash out of the EU without a deal. An amendment to Boris Johnson’s motion – intended to be the ‘meaningful vote’ he craves – would withhold approval until the full legislation to implement the deal is put into law. But the practical impact of the amendment passing would be to render the vote essentially meaningless, making it likely it would be pulled together. The amendment has been tabled to close a loophole in the Benn Act, designed to ensure Mr Johnson must seek to delay Brexit if a deal has not been approved by 11pm on Saturday. UNBELIEVABLE https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-saturday-boris-johnson-commons-no-deal-amendment-letwin-a9162106.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 19, 2019 (edited) Today will be interesting ... Boris Johnson’s hopes of finally obtaining parliament’s consent on Saturday for a historic deal to take the UK out of the European Union look set to be thwarted by an extraordinary bid by MPs to delay the crucial “meaningful vote”. Ahead of the highly unusual weekend sitting of the Commons, the prime minister was pulling out all the stops to secure the 320 votes he needs to claim victory in what was expected to be a razor-edge ballot, with the balance held by wavering Labour MPs, hardline ERG “Spartans” and expelled Tory rebels. But an amendment to his motion tabled by exiled Conservative Oliver Letwin threatens to withhold MPs’ approval until the full legislation to implement the deal is put into law. With Labour expected to back the amendment, it seems almost certain to pass if selected for debate by Commons speaker John Bercow. The move – designed to avoid no-deal Brexit if the legislation is amended by Brexiteers or fails to complete its passage through parliament by Halloween – would force Mr Johnson to request an extension from Brussels beyond 31 October and could delay the meaningful vote for weeks. Although Downing Street indicated it would still push Mr Johnson’s motion to a vote in the hope of a symbolic win, success for the Letwin amendment would deny him the chance to claim he has parliament’s support for the last-minute deal struck with EU leaders on Thursday. And if the motion fails, he could then face a non-binding vote on a second referendum put forward by Labour backbenchers Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson with the aim of demonstrating that a majority in the Commons back a public ballot on any future change to the relationship between the UK and EU. The drama came as the result of the vote – if it is held – remained impossible to call, with No 10 buoyed by winning over some Labour rebels while whittling down opposition in its own ranks. Up to nine Labour MPs are now expected to vote with the Conservatives, after Ronnie Campbell, Sarah Champion and Melanie Onn – who all represent Leave-backing seats – spoke out. With at least 12 Tory opponents of Theresa May’s deal announcing they would swing behind the prime minister’s reworked version, his chances of victory were growing. Johnson made a last-minute effort to lure Labour MPs with a set of concessions on workplace and environmental safeguards announced late on Friday night. But the package - including a promise that ministers will report to parliament on whether the UK will match future EU employment regulations and a pledge not to open UK markets to countries with low environmental and animal welfare standards - was dismissed by Labour’s Laura Pidcock as an “empty gesture not worth the paper it’s written on”. Labour was locked in a civil war over the punishment to be meted out to its rebels, with Momentum founder Jon Lansman demanding they be expelled, while Jeremy Corbyn insisted they would not. The Letwin amendment has been tabled to close a loophole in the Benn Act, designed to ensure Mr Johnson must seek to delay Brexit if a deal has not been approved by 11pm on Saturday. The loophole would allow the prime minister to escape the commitment of seeking a delay if the vote on his deal passes, even though a full withdrawal agreement bill is also needed to ratify the deal – leaving the UK open the risk of a crash-out on 31 October if the bill failed to pass in time. A furious government source described the amendment as something that “looks as reasonable as possible, but is designed to frustrate the process”. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-saturday-boris-johnson-commons-no-deal-amendment-letwin-a9162106.html Edited October 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 19, 2019 Theresa May just spoke in parliament. Wish she had shown that passion and humour when PM. Was actually great stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 19, 2019 This deal sounds like a disaster and is not what we voted for. I hope parliament vote it down, surely we would leave with no deal if that happens 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 19, 2019 Looks like an amendment was passed forcing the government to ask for a delay lol, Boris Johnson's vote on his terrible deal is postponed. We need a general election 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 19, 2019 (edited) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-vote-live-debate-news-speech-second-referendum-march-jeremy-corbyn-a9162581.html Very detailed article on what happened today. Watch the 20 second vid and the glee in BJ's face as he says ''I won't ask for extension and neither am I legally obliged to do so'' KEY POINTS MPs vote 322 to 306 in favour of Letwin amendment to seek extension ... but Boris Johnson says he will "not negotiate a delay" No 10 orders Tory MPs to 'boycott' Brexit vote after Letwin amendment passes Rees-Mogg announces plan for meaningful vote on Monday One million people march to demand Final Say (WE HAD A SAY, LEAVE WON. GET OVER IT). Edited October 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, DayTrader said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-vote-live-debate-news-speech-second-referendum-march-jeremy-corbyn-a9162581.html Very detailed article on what happened today. Watch the 20 second vid and the glee in BJ's face as he says ''I won't ask for extension and neither am I legally obliged to do so'' KEY POINTS MPs vote 322 to 306 in favour of Letwin amendment to seek extension ... but Boris Johnson says he will "not negotiate a delay" No 10 orders Tory MPs to 'boycott' Brexit vote after Letwin amendment passes Rees-Mogg announces plan for meaningful vote on Monday One million people march to demand Final Say (WE HAD A SAY, LEAVE WON. GET OVER IT). We dodged a bullet today, I know everyone wants to leave but no way should it be with a s****y deal like this. It litereally gives away (or shares) our fishing waters and agrees to a load of legal agreements. The only way out should be via WTO rules and then start negotiating trade deals. If we rush to the exit and take something really bad it will take years and years to properly get out from under this mess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeermO1kjfs 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest October 19, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, El Nikko said: years and years I agree but just want out, NO DEAL style. The joke is that even if we had a deal, where everyone's happy, happy faces, whole European press there ... which will NEVER happen as it's a compromise, then there will still be a transition period of years anyway. Imagine if we had just left the day after the vote, how much could be sorted by now?? Instead it's 3 years of BS and rejected deals, even delaying voting on deals now, acts passed so can't leave without a deal etc. It's a disgrace. So bored of certain aspects. Corbyn seeming to be obsessed with Trump, this BS about environment etc like we need the EU to tell us about green issues where we lead the world in it, these buzzwords people reel off like they care #amish #vegan #constant flights #constant unshared cars ?? - the hypocrisy, the way Scotland go on about the majority there voted remain. Well newsflash, the majority of Britain, which you are a part of, didn't. What is the point in people being involved in a vote if they are just going to moan about the result for 3 years!!! and do all they can to stop it? Not delay it, literally stop it. Lib Dem main policy - ''we will just cancel Brexit!'' - brilliant. So ignore 17M people? Good luck in the polls. I think my favourite though, which I keep hearing, is ''there are people now who are old enough to vote, and they were too young at the time to vote. Meanwhile certain voters will have died''. What, like every vote ever held in history? What is your point?? Leave won. Trump won. Get over it and get on with it ffs. Edited October 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DayTrader said: I agree but just want out, NO DEAL style. The joke is that even if we had a deal, where everyone's happy, happy faces, whole European press there ... which will NEVER happen as it's a compromise, then there will still be a transition period of years anyway. Imagine if we had just left the day after the vote, how much could be sorted by now?? Instead it's 3 years of BS and rejected deals, even delaying voting on deals now, acts passed so can't leave without a deal etc. It's a disgrace. So bored of certain aspects. Corbyn seeming to be obsessed with Trump, this BS about environment etc like we need the EU to tell us about green issues where we lead the world in it, these buzzwords people reel off like they care #amish #vegan #constant flights #constant unshared cars ?? - the hypocrisy, the way Scotland go on about the majority there voted remain. Well newsflash, the majority of Britain, which you are a part of, didn't. What is the point in people being involved in a vote if they are just going to moan about the result for 3 years!!! and do all they can to stop it? Not delay it, literally stop it. Lib Dem main policy - ''we will just cancel Brexit!'' - brilliant. So ignore 17M people? Good luck in the polls. I think my favourite though, which I keep hearing, is ''there are people now who are old enough to vote, and they were too young at the time to vote. Meanwhile certain voters will have died''. What, like every vote ever held in history? What is your point?? Leave won. Trump won. Get over it and get on with it ffs. I agree but I'm not ever accepting any half ars*d 'deal' I was never going to vote again after that referendum and was out of politics for good....turns out there was no getting away from it lol I really think we need an election and asap, Boris isn't trustworthy and people have got to stop voting for these failed parties that all need to just die off and go away for good. Modern UK politics should really be a nationalist/populist party versus a socialist party...let everyone be honest for once Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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