Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 10, 2020 For your consideration. Copying in full some info dug up by an anon over on 8kun. Clearly, this info will need some independent verification. Please do note that I reviewed a dozen other comments by this specific anon, and his / her other comments look legit, with good critical thinking. No, I will not post links to 8kun here on an open public forum. For comparison, in the next comment, copied in full is the complete passenger list, which was released by Iran almost 2 days ago. ================================================================================================== 01/09/20 (Thu) 23:32:51fca808 (17) No.7769200>>7769205 >>7769318 >>7769338 >>7769369 These are, for the most part, children and grandchildren of the original Iranians who fled the ayatollahs 40 years ago. They are the offspring of the previous Iranian establishment under the Shah. The original refugees were not boat people. They were pro West, pro modern, wealthy, educated and skilled. They came to Canada and settled into middle and upper middle class, mostly suburban neighborhoods. They are peaceful and do not commit crimes. They are prosperous, and are not isolationist. They are not religious fanatics. The ayatollahs hate these people - for they represent everything the ayatollahs oppose. It would not surprise me for a moment if they shot that plane down on purpose, just to kill these people, because their very existence points out the failure of the Shiite revolution. Why did they let that plane take off in the middle of a war zone in the first place? Civilian air traffic had been ordered out of the area hours earlier. This is not the first time Canadian Iranians have been murdered by the regime. Detention, torture, and murder of these people specifically has been an ongoing issue with Iran, and one of the reasons Canada no longer has an embassy there. Here is the travel advisory for Iran: https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/iran Those 'Canadians' on that plane .. Mojtaba Abbasnezhad, 26, was an engineering PhD student at the University of Toronto. Iman Aghabali, 28, was an electrical engineer and PhD student at McMaster University in Hamilton. Fareed Arasteh, 32, was a biology PhD student at Carleton University in Ottawa. He was in Iran to get married, but his fiancée, Maral Gorginpour, wasn’t on the plane: she was waiting in Iran for a visa to join her husband. Arshia Arbabbahrami was a Grade 12 student at Western Canada High School in Calgary. A family from Ajax, Ont. was on the plane: Wife Evin Arsalani, 30, husband Hiva Molani, 38, and one-year-old daughter Kurdia Molani. Siblings Mohammad Asadi Lari, 23, and Zeynab Asadi Lari, 21, were visiting their parents and younger sister in Iran, a family friend said. Both were students at the University of Toronto, in medicine and science, respectively. Roja Azadian was supposed to travel to Canada with her husband, a student at Ottawa’s Algonquin College, but a ticket mix-up meant he couldn’t board the plane with her. Ghanimat Azhdari, a University of Guelph PhD student, was from a tribal territory in Iran and worked with advocacy groups for Indigenous rights and biodiversity. Edmonton OB-GYN Shekoufeh Choupannejad, 56, was in Iran visiting family with daughters Saba Saadat, 21, a University of Alberta science student, and Sara Saadat, 23, a U of A science graduate. Delaram Dadashnejad, 26, was a student in Vancouver coming back from a visit to Tehran, according to her friend Dina Sarpoushan of North Vancouver. Asgar Dhirani, 74, was a semi-retired accountant from the Toronto area who came to Iran for a tour of religious sites. His wife, Razia, was touring with him but travelled home on another flight. Behnaz Ebrahimi, 45, was a property valuation analyst in Toronto. Mansour Esnaashary Esfahani, 29, was an engineering PhD candidate at the University of Waterloo. A friend at the school told The Globe he had gone to Iran to get married, but his wife, Hanieh, was not on the plane. Dr. Parisa Eghbalian, 42, a dentist from Aurora, Ont., was with daughter Reera Esmaeilion, 9. Mehdi Eshaghian was an engineering PhD student at McMaster. harieh Faghihi, 58, was a Halifax dentist. Faezeh (Fran) Falsafi, 46, was a sales representative at HomeLife/Bayview Realty Inc. in Richmond Hill, Ont. She was in Iran visiting family, according to a colleague. Shakiba Feghahati, 39, and son Rosstin Moghaddam, 10, were returning from a visit to her parents. Marzieh (Mari) Foroutan, 37, was a geography PhD student at the University of Waterloo, a school spokesman confirmed. Mortgage agent Iman Ghaderpanah, 34, was travelling with his wife Parinaz Ghaderpanah, 33. Newlyweds Siavash Ghafouri-Azar, 35, and Sara Mamani, 36, were on their way back to Quebec after their wedding. Amirhossien Ghasemi was a graduate student at the University of Manitoba’s biomedical engineering program, a friend at the school told The Globe. Milad Ghasemi Ariani was a University of Guelph PhD student in marketing and consumer studies, the university confirmed. Mahdieh Ghassemi, 38, was an architect on a family trip with son Arsan Niazi, 11, and daughter Arnica Niazi, 8. Suzan Golbabapour, 49, was a realtor in Richmond Hill, Ont. Her Instagram account also showed she worked as a personal fitness trainer. Sahar Haghjoo, 37, worked at the Toronto YWCA to help immigrant and refugee women settle in Canada. She was on the plane with Elsa Jadidi, 8, her only child. Civil engineers Bahareh Hajesfandiari, 41, and Mirmohammad Sadeghi, 43, of Winnipeg were travelling with daughter Anisa Sadeghi, 10. Vancouver-area engineer Ardalan Ebnoddin Hamidi, 48, and teacher Niloufar Razzaghi, 45, were a couple travelling with daughter Kamyar Ebnoddin Hamidi, 15. Saeed Kashani, 30, was a PhD candidate in chemistry at the University of Ottawa. A friend of his told The Globe he was in Iran to visit his parents and siblings. Dr. Forough Khadem, 38, was an immunology researcher at the University of Manitoba. Fatemeh Mahmoodi, 31, was a finance student at Saint Mary’s University in Halifax, the school said in a statement. Maryam Malek, 41, was also a Saint Mary’s student in the same program as Ms. Malek. Mohammad Moeini, 35, was a mechanical designer at Bombardier Recreational Products in Valcourt, Que., the company said in a statement. Engineer Arvin Morattab, 37, of Saint-Bruno-Que., was travelling with wife Aida Farzaneh, according to the Windsor Star. A married couple of University of Alberta engineering professors, Pedram Mousavi, 47, and Mojgan Daneshmand, 43, were travelling with daughters Daria Mousavi, 14, and Dorina Mousavi, 9. Winnipegger Farzaneh Naderi, 38, was travelling with her son Nozhan Sadr, 11. Zahra Naghibi, 44, was a civil engineer and PhD candidate at the University of Windsor returning from a holiday trip with her husband. Milad Nahavandi, 34, was a PhD student in the Industrial Bioproduct Lab at Western University. Alma Oladi was a mathematics PhD student at the University of Ottawa. Alireza (Ali) Pey, 47, was an electrical-engineering graduate who founded a startup in the Ottawa area. Mansour Pourjam, 53, was a lab technician at the Ottawa Denture & Implant Centre. Dr. Naser Pourshabanoshibi, 53 and Dr. Firouzeh Madani, 54, were a married couple, both physicians, who were returning home to North Vancouver after visiting their parents in Iran. University of Alberta students Arash Pourzarabi, 26, and Pouneh Gorji, 25, were in Iran to get married. Ontario Tech University sessional lecturer Razgar Rahimi, 38, died on board with wife Farideh Gholami and son Jiwan Rahimi, 3. Nasim Rahmanifar was a graduate student in mechanical engineering at the University of Alberta. Niloufar Sadr, 61, was a political activist and former art-gallery manager in Montreal. She had three children. Mechanical engineer Mohsen Salahi, 31, and civil engineer Mahsa Amirliravi, 30, were a couple who taught at Toronto’s Cestar College of Business, Health and Technology. North Vancouver engineer Mohammad (Daniel) Saket, 33, was on the plane with wife Fatemah (Faye) Kazerani, 32, his company said in a statement. Mohammad Salehe, 32, was a University of Toronto PhD student. University of Windsor PhD student Hamidreza Setareh, 31, and researcher Samira Bashiri, 29, were a married couple who had been in Canada for about a year. Sheyda Shadkhoo, 41, worked as a control substances co-ordinator at the the Markham office of the inspection and certification SGS, according to her LinkedIn profile. Afifa Tarbhai, 55, was an accounts administrator at a Toronto property-management firm travelling with daughter Alina Tarbhai, 31, an administrative clerk at the Ontario Secondary School Teachers’ Federation. Maya Zibaie, 15, was a Grade 10 student at Toronto’s Northern Secondary School. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 10, 2020 UIA publishes full passenger list for flight PS752 crashed in Iran Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) has published a list of 167 passengers who were on board the Boeing-737 flight PS752 Tehran-Kyiv that crashed early on Wednesday shortly after takeoff. The relevant information has been posted on the UIA website. The list contains the names in English, as well as dates of birth. Flight PS752 passenger list: Abaspourqadi Mohamm 1986 Abbasnezhad Mojtaba 1993 Abtahiforoushani Seyedmehran 1982 Aghabali Iman 1991 Agha Miri Maryam 1973 Ahmadi Motahereh 2011 Ahmadi Muh Sen 2014 Ahmadi Rahmtin 2010 Ahmadi Sekinhe 1989 Ahmady Mitra 1973 Amirliravi Mahsa 1989 Arasteh Fareed 1987 Arbabbahrami Arshia 2000 Arsalani Evin 1990 Asadilari Mohammadhossein 1996 Asadilari Zeynab 1998 Ashrafi Habibabadi Amir 1991 Attar Mahmood 1950 Azadian Roja 1977 Azhdari Ghanimat 1983 Badiei Ardestani Mehraban 2001 Bashiri Samira 1990 Beiruti Mohammad Amin 1990 Borghei Negar 1989 Choupannejad Shekoufeh 1963 Dadashnejad Delaram 1993 Daneshmand Mojgan 1976 Dhirani Asgar 1945 Djavadi Asll Hamidreza 1967 Djavadi Asll Kian 2002 Ebnoddin Hamidi Ardalan 1971 Ebnoddin Hamidi Kamyar 2004 Ebrahim Niloufar 1985 Ebrahimi Khoei Behnaz 1974 Eghbali Bazoft Shahrokh 1960 Eghbali Bazoft Shahzad 2011 Eghbalian Parisa 1977 Elyasi Mohammad Mahdi 1991 Emami Sayedmahdi 1959 Emami Sophie 2014 Eshaghian Dorcheh Mehdi 1995 Esmaeilion Reera 2010 Esnaashary Esfahani Mansour 1990 Faghihi Sharieh 1961 Falsafi Faezeh 1973 Falsafi Faraz 1988 Farzaneh Aida 1986 Feghahati Shakiba 1980 Foroutan Marzieh 1982 Ghaderpanah Iman 1985 Ghaderpanah Parinaz 1986 Ghafouri Azar Siavash 1984 Ghandchi Daniel 2011 Ghandchi Dorsa 2003 Ghasemi Ariani Milad 1987 Ghasemi Dastjerdi Fatemeh 1994 Ghasemi Amirhossein 1987 Ghasemi Kiana 2000 Ghavi Mandieh 1999 Ghavi Masoumeh 1989 Gholami Farideh 1981 Ghorbani Bahabadi A 1998 Golbabapour Suzan 1970 Gorji Pouneh 1994 Haghjoo Saharnaz 1982 Hajesfandiari Bahareh 1978 Hajiaghavand Sadaf 1992 Hajighassemi Mandieh 1981 Hamzeei Sara 1986 Hasani/sadi Zahra 1994 Hashemi Shanrzad 1974 Hassannezhad Parsa 2003 Hatefi Mostaghim Sahan 1987 Hayatdavoudi Hadis 1992 Jadidi Elsa 2011 Jadidi Pedran 1991 Jamshidi Shadi 1988 Jebelli Mohammaddam 1990 Kadkhoda Zaden Mohammaddam 1979 Kadkhodazaden Kasha 1990 Karamimoghadam Bahareh 1986 Katebi Rahimen 1999 Kaveh Azaden 1979 Kazerani Fatemeh 1987 Khadem Forough 1981 Kobiuk Olga 1958 Lindberg Emil 2012 Lindberg Erik 2010 Lindberg Raheleh 1982 Lindberg Mikael 1979 Madani Firouzeh 1965 Maghsoudlouestarabadi Siavash 1976 Maghsoudlouesterabadi Paria 2004 Mahmoodi Fatemeh 1989 Malakhova Olena 1981 Malek Maryam 1979 Maleki Dizaje Fereshteh 1972 Mamani Sara 1983 Mianji Mohammadjavad 1992 Moeini Mohammad 1984 Moghaddam Rosstin 2010 Mohammadi Mehdi 1999 Molani Hiva 1981 Molani Kurdia 2018 Moradi Amir 1998 Morattab Arvin 1984 Moshrefrazavimoghaddam Soheila 1964 Mousavi Daria 2005 Mousavi Dorina 2010 Mousavibafrooei Pedram 1972 Nabiyi Elnaz 1989 Naderi Farzahen 1981 Naghibi Zahra 1975 Naghib Lahouti Mehr 1987 Nahavandi Milad 1985 Niazi Arnica 2011 Niazi Arsan 2008 Niknam Farhad 1975 Norouzi Alireza 2008 Nourian Ghazal 1993 Oladi Alma 1992 Omidbakhsh Roja 1996 Ovaysi Amir Hossein 1978 Ovaysi Asal 2013 Pasavand Fatemeh 2002 Pey Alireza 1972 Pourghaderi Ayeshe 1983 Pourjam Mansour 1966 Pourshabanoshibi Naser 1966 Pourzarabi Arash 1993 Raana Shahab 1983 Rahimi Jiwan 2016 Rahimi Razgar 1981 Rahmanifar Nasim 1994 Razzaghi Khamsi Ni 1974 Rezai Mahdi 2000 Rezae Hossain 1999 Saadat Saba 1998 Saadat Sara 1996 Saadat Zeinolabedin 1990 Saati Kasra 1972 Sadeghi Alvand 1990 Sadeghi Anisa 2009 Sadeghi Mirmohammad 1976 Sadeghi Sahand 1980 Sadighi Neda 1969 Sadr Niloufar 1958 Sadr Seyednoojan 2008 Saeedinia Amirhosse 1994 Safarpoorkoloor Pe 1999 Saket Mohammadhosse 1986 Salahi Moh 1988 Saleheh Mohammad 1987 Saraeian Sajedeh 1993 Setareh Kokab Hamid 1988 Shadkhoo Sheyda 1978 Shaterpour Khiaban 1988 Soltani Paniz 1991 Tahmasebi Khademasa 1984 Tajik Mahdi 1999 Tajik Shahram 1998 Tarbhai Afifa 1964 Tarbha Alina 1988 Toghian Darya 1997 Zarei Arad 2002 Zibaie Maya 2004 Zokaei Sam 1977 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 January 10, 2020 Meantime, Iran is changing its stance yet again. AP reports ... Iran denies missile hit plane, calls on West to share data TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran on Friday denied Western allegations that one of its own missiles downed a Ukrainian jetliner that crashed outside Tehran, and called on the U.S. and Canada to share any information they have on the crash, which killed all 176 people on board. Western leaders said the plane appeared to have been unintentionally hit by a surface-to-air missile just hours after Iran launched around a dozen ballistic missiles at two U.S. bases in Iraq to avenge the killing of its top general in an American airstrike last week. “What is obvious for us, and what we can say with certainty, is that no missile hit the plane,” Ali Abedzadeh, head of Iran’s national aviation department, told a press conference. “If they are really sure, they should come and show their findings to the world” in accordance with international standards, he added. ... ... If the U.S. or Canada were to present incontrovertible evidence that the plane was shot down by Iran, even if unintentionally, it could have a dramatic impact on public opinion in Iran. The Iranian public had rallied around the leadership after the killing of Soleimani last Friday, with hundreds of thousands joining the general’s funeral processions in several cities, in an unprecedented display of grief and unity. But sentiments in Iran are still raw over the government’s crackdown on large-scale protests late last year sparked by an economic crisis exacerbated by U.S. sanctions. Several hundred protesters were reported to have been killed in the clampdown. Those fissures could quickly break open again if Iranian authorities are seen to be responsible for the deaths of 176 people, mainly Iranians or dual Iranian-Canadian citizens. ... ... Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whose country lost at least 63 citizens in the downing, said “we have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence.” “The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile,” he said. The U.S. officials did not say what intelligence they had that pointed to an Iranian missile, believed to be fired by Russian Tor system, known to NATO as the SA-15. But they acknowledged the existence of satellites and other sensors in the region, as well as the likelihood of communication interceptions and other similar intelligence. Western countries may hesitate to share information on such a strike because it comes from highly classified sources. Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said “the missile theory is not ruled out, but it has not been confirmed yet.” ... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff January 10, 2020 Trudope is a terrible tragedy for Canada. If he has "evidence", let the world see it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 January 10, 2020 Why bother? The world is so polarized in regards to anything and everything that those who wish to believe any credible evidence will...and those who choose not to believe it will simply claim it is manufactured BS. A complete waste of time and effort. Leave it to the professions to determine and act on. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bullwinkle + 6 ST January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, frankfurter said: Trudope is a terrible tragedy for Canada. If he has "evidence", let the world see it. Trudeau is just repeating what the USA has told him; Canada doesn't have any intelligence of its own. Canada does not have spy satellites or radio-listening devices. The USA has the evidence and if Trudeau has seen it he certainly isn't authorized to release it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Kramer + 696 R January 10, 2020 (edited) So if it was shot down .... do all countries who lost a life get to claim a life via military target? .... when's the last time Canada accidentally shot down a passenger jet? .... Edit: wonder how many would fear alliance with the top bass were this the case. Edit: just because your scared of a bombing doesn't mean you can have an itchy trigger finger ... great power great responsibility. Or angry leaders cannot target civilians. period. I want to live in a world with consequences. Edited January 10, 2020 by Rob Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff January 11, 2020 well, the evidence now is Iran confesses to a missile attack. so, this time, Trudope stated a fact, so gotta give him credit for that, though he stated without release of evidence. he remains a tragedy though. this is yet another example of innocents dying from USA pressures, attacks, and unintended consequences. had Trump not murdered Suleimani, this tragedy would not have occurred. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, frankfurter said: well, the evidence now is Iran confesses to a missile attack. so, this time, Trudope stated a fact, so gotta give him credit for that, though he stated without release of evidence. he remains a tragedy though. this is yet another example of innocents dying from USA pressures, attacks, and unintended consequences. had Trump not murdered Suleimani, this tragedy would not have occurred. Let me guess, you read the title of the now thoroughly discredited AP story? Try this in your size 4 hat. If Solemeini hadn't attacked the soldiers and the embassy, he might still be breathing now. But yeah, to morons everything is Trump's fault. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff January 11, 2020 From your comment, clearly you presume America has a God-given right to occupy Iraq [or any other sovereign country] and steal its resources. Little wonder you cannot understand why the local citizens would seek any and all means to fight back. Also clear, anyone with a different perspective and opinion is a morbid enemy to you, and thus a moron. I thank you for expressing your bigotry. You see, free speech enables such exposure, which allows others to see and prepare to act against. Such a pity this forum is populated by bigots like you, for, rather than be a forum for constructive dialogue, you have denigrated it into a forum for lies and hostilities. Only a moron would and could do this. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon + 485 January 11, 2020 (edited) Beautifully put sir. Your conclusions are perfect. 1 hour ago, frankfurter said: Also clear, anyone with a different perspective and opinion is a morbid enemy to you, and thus a moron. Yes sir, Mr Smith does not appreciate anyone having an alternate view. You are either a moron in his eyes, or part of the Chinese military, as this is more feasible to him than the idea of anyone having a different view to his own. Ponder that mindset for a moment sir. Edited January 11, 2020 by Papillon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otis11 + 551 ZP January 15, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 2:06 AM, frankfurter said: From your comment, clearly you presume America has a God-given right to occupy Iraq [or any other sovereign country] and steal its resources. Little wonder you cannot understand why the local citizens would seek any and all means to fight back. Also clear, anyone with a different perspective and opinion is a morbid enemy to you, and thus a moron. I thank you for expressing your bigotry. You see, free speech enables such exposure, which allows others to see and prepare to act against. Such a pity this forum is populated by bigots like you, for, rather than be a forum for constructive dialogue, you have denigrated it into a forum for lies and hostilities. Only a moron would and could do this. On 1/11/2020 at 3:04 AM, Papillon said: Beautifully put sir. Your conclusions are perfect. Yes sir, Mr Smith does not appreciate anyone having an alternate view. You are either a moron in his eyes, or part of the Chinese military, as this is more feasible to him than the idea of anyone having a different view to his own. Ponder that mindset for a moment sir. Purple Trophy and 'Beautifully put' to a post that is a personal character attack? And call on me and call you call me out for 'hypocrisy' for not being vocal enough about pushing back on conservative posts that go a bit overboard (usually because I haven't seen them yet)? Just making sure you realize you're doing the exact thing you accuse me of (though you've yet to show me a place where I did those things - except where I simply hadn't gotten to that post yet) Carry on. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon + 485 January 16, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Otis11 said: Purple Trophy and 'Beautifully put' to a post that is a personal character attack? Sir I am getting a little tired of you attacking my posts. Mr Smith stated ''to morons everything is Trump's fault''. It was actually much worse than this and he has edited it, as I remember thinking at the time that Frankfurter's reply was nothing compared to what Mr Smith said. He had every right to say that as a response. Anyway, when Frankfurter replied with something similar, you not only attacked that post and what I rewarded it with, but ignored Mr Smith's original post, and you talk to me about hypocrisy? You don't see a slight irony there? With regard to 'conservative posts that go overboard' I have no idea what you are talking about. We have discussed topics of apparent humour and that is all as far as I am aware. I haven't accused you of anything, I've asked your view of the varying 'humour' and why some deaths to you are amusing and some are not. That is a question and not an accusation of anything. Edited January 16, 2020 by Papillon 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otis11 + 551 ZP January 16, 2020 Papillon - are you aware of how many times you've called me a hypocrite and tagged me to specifically ask if I was going to red arrow a post for the exact thing you just gave a Purple Trophy to? And YOU'RE getting tired of it? I'm being much more civil and fair than you've been - I'm only calling you out on YOUR hypocrisy - not accusing you of hypocrisy for not taking sufficient actions against others posts (most of which I hadn't seen) 17 hours ago, Otis11 said: Purple Trophy and 'Beautifully put' to a post that is a personal character attack? And call on me and call you call me out for 'hypocrisy' for not being vocal enough about pushing back on conservative posts that go a bit overboard (usually because I haven't seen them yet)? Just making sure you realize you're doing the exact thing you accuse me of (though you've yet to show me a place where I did those things - except where I simply hadn't gotten to that post yet) Carry on. So why am I now getting red arrows? Because you don't like my post? But I thought only the conservatives did that on liberal posts (hint - you're the one who said that, and it received purple trophies and green arrows from Remake It and a few others). Was I to liberal in my post above? Because I don't see any character attacks. I simply stated the FACT that you've been calling me a hypocrite for weeks now, and pointed out your own hypocrisy. 37 minutes ago, Papillon said: Sir I am getting a little tired of you attacking my posts. Mr Smith stated ''to morons everything is Trump's fault''. It was actually much worse than this and he has edited it, as I remember thinking at the time that Frankfurter's reply was nothing compared to what Mr Smith said. He had every right to say that as a response. Anyway, when Frankfurter replied with something similar, you not only attacked that post and what I rewarded it with, but ignored Mr Smith's original post, and you talk to me about hypocrisy? You don't see a slight irony there? With regard to 'conservative posts that go overboard' I have no idea what you are talking about. We have discussed topics of apparent humour and that is all as far as I am aware. I haven't accused you of anything, I've asked your view of the varying 'humour' and why some deaths to you are amusing and some are not. That is a question and not an accusation of anything. And here you go justifying Frankfurter's response because it's 'not as bad' as someone else - after you attack people for using that same reasoning when discussing Presidents. I'd challenge you to live up to your own standards - only reward good behavior. Don't simply accept behavior that's "not as bad" As far as Mr Smith's post - I didn't see it. If you'd like to show me where I overlooked it, that'd be great, but you can't fault me for not criticizing something I haven't seen. The only thing I see Ward as having done is use the term 'moron' once and that post (as of now) does not say it's been edited. Would have preferred that term not be used, but hardly a huge issue. Frankfurter's post is not 'something similar' I'll quote both for you to see. (Offending sections underlined) On 1/11/2020 at 12:09 AM, Ward Smith said: morons On 1/11/2020 at 2:06 AM, frankfurter said: Little wonder you cannot understand your bigotry this forum is populated by bigots like you, you have denigrated it into a forum for lies and hostilities. Only a moron would and could do this. These are 'something similar' to you? And yes - you've accused me of hypocrisy multiple times. Both on the humor post, and elsewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon + 485 January 16, 2020 (edited) Sir I don't quite understand the lengthy rant and definitely not the section regarding 'conservatives and liberals'. This appears an obsession to some and this constant 'us and them' mentality from many American views here. As I said, if you don't like my posts, ignore them. I guarantee you Mr Smith has edited that post somehow and I am sure Frankfurter would agree. I remember at the time thinking he had every right to say that back in response to nothing but ego. If you think he replied that to just the word 'morons' you are simply mistaken. The rest appears an annoyance that some users' hypocrisies have been shown up? It is constant and I am not the only one to notice it. Yet again why you care too about red arrows so much is baffling. You are asking why I awarded one just now. You use them all the time, do others demand of you why you gave it? Edited January 16, 2020 by Papillon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 January 17, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 8:01 AM, Douglas Buckland said: Why bother? The world is so polarized in regards to anything and everything that those who wish to believe any credible evidence will...and those who choose not to believe it will simply claim it is manufactured BS. A complete waste of time and effort. Leave it to the professions to determine and act on. It would be nice if the professions weren't all sold out to their various grant givers and in a league of their own. Meanwhile we have to educate ourselves and find the best opinions we can and try to sort them out. Global Warming, AKA Climate Change, and Just Plain Weather https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vHU2hHXebxpvExT7srNNnX-VM7Qn9Ak_ZmdKCIcUti8/edit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon + 485 January 17, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, ronwagn said: It would be nice if the professions weren't all sold out to their various grant givers and in a league of their own. The trinket awards are doing overtime it appears. Edited January 17, 2020 by Papillon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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