TRUMP pushing Hydroxychloroquine + Zpak therapy forward despite FDA conservative approach. As he reasons, "What have we got to lose ?"

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Agreed the viri don't have ribosomes but don't the cells they hijack to reproduce have them? 

Exactly, viruses needs to hijack cellular machinery they lack. The antibiotic must work by suppressing that machinery.

Edited March 28, 2020 by Enthalpic

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1 minute ago, 0R0 said:

https://covidtracking.com/data/

CA still at just under 20% positive tests

NY and NJ still at 30% positive

You can give NY and NJ a while to finish the spread of the disease to the rest of the population (60%) who have not had it yet. A couple of days with subway traffic would do it. 

Time for the antibody test to let us know who is likely already immune.

New Abbott labs test kit for 5 to 15 minute tests.for live virus.

https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-27-Abbott-Launches-Molecular-Point-of-Care-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus-in-as-Little-as-Five-Minutes

 

 

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12 hours ago, BLA said:

The French Trial Report is published today.  It's online for your viewing.

80 patients ( these were all hospitalized patients )

Couple of key data points. 

* 93% had NO VIRUS after 8 days treatment

* Reduces the "virus shedding" that can go on for two weeks after the virus subsides.  In other words not contagious. Reduces the infection rate.

* 79 of the 80 survived . The one death was an 86 year old in very advanced stages of the infections He was on the ventilator from the beginning of the trial.  Apparently if you are to the point of requiring a ventilator your odds are not good, with or without therapies. 

 

for the record, the 'trials' for chloroquine against covid were first conducted in China. the French doctor is simply copying the methodology from the Chinese, who were happy to share it.  you should give credit where it is due. your hatred blinds you. 

 

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On 3/28/2020 at 9:15 PM, frankfurter said:

for the record, the 'trials' for chloroquine against covid were first conducted in China. the French doctor is simply copying the methodology from the Chinese, who were happy to share it.  you should give credit where it is due. your hatred blinds you. 

 

No not true.

Plus the Dr in France pioneered the combo therapy of adding ZPAK to HCQ which is key to efficacy.

China controls the production of basic ingredience to HCQ and is withholding supply to U.S. Pharma.

This will be remembered.

China also withheld shipments of the reagent needed for the first group of test kits.  Administration did not want that to get out.

Please take your propaganda somewhere else that cares about your bs

Edited March 31, 2020 by BLA

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What can be said about someone who cannot spell and creates his own narrative?  

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20 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

What can be said about someone who cannot spell and creates his own narrative?  

Like yourself?

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On 3/28/2020 at 9:15 PM, frankfurter said:

for the record, the 'trials' for chloroquine against covid were first conducted in China. the French doctor is simply copying the methodology from the Chinese, who were happy to share it.  you should give credit where it is due. your hatred blinds you. 

 

The trial in China was useful. But the combo with azithromycin came from S Korea. The Chinese trial ran parallel with additional treatments so it was not clear which drug was doing what. Their results were inconclusive. It was disinformation to hide the apparent benefit. China no longer has value to the world so long as the communist party is in power. 

Do your duty to your people and throw your local cadre leader out the window.

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Again, please remember that said window must be at a level of the fifth floor or higher! As buildings in China generally do not have a fourth floor, this may require dragging the cadre to a floor of the proper elevation.

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4 hours ago, 0R0 said:

The trial in China was useful. But the combo with azithromycin came from S Korea. The Chinese trial ran parallel with additional treatments so it was not clear which drug was doing what. Their results were inconclusive. It was disinformation to hide the apparent benefit. China no longer has value to the world so long as the communist party is in power. 

Do your duty to your people and throw your local cadre leader out the window.

Many countries produce HCQ.  None of the countries besides China will share it with the USA, even your own allies. Yet, China is the evil one for reserving it for her own people. 

What can be said about people who demonise one country but accept another country for taking the same action? 

 

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3 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

Many countries produce HCQ.  None of the countries besides China will share it with the USA, even your own allies. Yet, China is the evil one for reserving it for her own people. 

What can be said about people who demonise one country but accept another country for taking the same action? 

 

Germany and India are hoarding. They won't even send any to Italy. Poland makes it but it will likely be outbid in EU. 

Israel;s Teva and Novartis in Switzerland make it and both are ramping up production to make more (it is not clear if the additional capacity is in US plants or elsewhere). In the US Mylan has started up its mothballed HCQ plant. 

China needs no effort by anyone to appear as demonic, the CCP does that thoroughly all on its own .But there is a huge difference. China is using the withholding to extort. Germany and India NEED it for their own people. One is acting like a demon, the others are just doing what they have to.

Do your daily good deed and besmirch the reputation of a high ranking CCP official, spill their secrets to the world to see and if that does not work out, throw them out the nearest window,

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19 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Germany and India are hoarding. They won't even send any to Italy. Poland makes it but it will likely be outbid in EU. 

Israel;s Teva and Novartis in Switzerland make it and both are ramping up production to make more (it is not clear if the additional capacity is in US plants or elsewhere). In the US Mylan has started up its mothballed HCQ plant. 

China needs no effort by anyone to appear as demonic, the CCP does that thoroughly all on its own .But there is a huge difference. China is using the withholding to extort. Germany and India NEED it for their own people. One is acting like a demon, the others are just doing what they have to.

Do your daily good deed and besmirch the reputation of a high ranking CCP official, spill their secrets to the world to see and if that does not work out, throw them out the nearest window,

China is extorting what?  Extortion is a rather strong accusation, but is expected coming from you. Extortion means a benefit conferred unwillingly. I can think of no time in history when the USA has conferred a benefit unwillingly. Quite the opposite, as in the recent case of Biden extorting the Ukraine govt for his personal benefit. Amazingly, someone who is confirmed beyond doubt to have committed a criminal act is running for nomination as your president. I would suggest you follow your suggested course of action to drain your own swamp.

 

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43 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

China is extorting what?  Extortion is a rather strong accusation, but is expected coming from you. Extortion means a benefit conferred unwillingly. I can think of no time in history when the USA has conferred a benefit unwillingly. Quite the opposite, as in the recent case of Biden extorting the Ukraine govt for his personal benefit. Amazingly, someone who is confirmed beyond doubt to have committed a criminal act is running for nomination as your president. I would suggest you follow your suggested course of action to drain your own swamp.

 

They are refusing to export precursors and the completed drug to the US and demanding tariff reductions. That is extortion. People are importing that drug or its components to survive, not for an economic gain. 

The American political and bureaucratic swamp is ripe for a serious cleanup. Does not make me view the CCP as any better than my domestic political crooks.  Brazil had and actual convict running for office form jail. Some people bury themselves in loyalty over a critical view of their leadership. I suppose you have that exact same failing. 

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https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1244586310033199107?s=20

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CDC has known since 2005 that (hydroxy)chloroquine kills the SARS virus. (SARS-COV-2 = Covid-19)

There is no money in it as it is a safe generic drug available since 1950 which costs 10c a dose.

A cure with it takes 6 days on average so less than $1

NIH knew too. 

Both CDC and NIH published the same findings on the same day… almost 15 years ago.

 

 

August 22 2005 references from CDC and NIH -

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/3620/Email

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115318

 

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It is all about the money. Anyone who is against the mix of Hydrochl , Antibiotics and Zinc/Vitamine C shot is a Big Pharma troll.

 

Big Pharma is paying a lot to troll this $10 medicine!

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16 hours ago, frankfurter said:

What can be said about someone who cannot spell and creates his own narrative?  

Frank ... Do you wake up a full fledged asshole or do you build to a full fledged asshole throughout the day.

How does that work?  

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That 2005 CDC study was in vitro, not in vivo (there are plenty of substances that work fine in cultured cells in the lab, but not in the body. Hell, even many substances tried on animals don't end up working in humans).

SARS as a outbreak died off as a imminent danger to society by the time that work was published, so I'm guessing the CDC was focusing on other stuff. I'm guessing people in China had seen the study in January, so it confirmed some other anecdotal things they had seen (such as Lupus patients who were on HCQ not getting sick with COVID).

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On 3/21/2020 at 8:27 PM, frankfurter said:

CLUTCHING AT STRAWS.

Fact: China gave its citizens, free, 2 ICU hospitals in 14 days and unlimited treatments for months.  USA gives its citizens tents and a poisonous serum.  

 

FACT, China hid what was going on for at least 6 weeks before notifying the WHO about the virus.

FACT, China doesn't give a shit about any of its citizens, if they die, SO WHAT... They locked their seniors in buildings and let them DIE!!

FACT, China gave the world this virus because of its refusal to alert the WHO immediately about what was going on.

FACT, China has DESTROYED the world economy by doing so...

FACT, you obviously don't live in China, so maybe you should move over there and live the dream... Call us and tell us how its going, won't you? Maybe your government should be taking a VERY close look at you, and anyone defending the Communist regime right now...

FACT, China came out like petulant little children and actually blamed the USA for this pandemic...

FACT, FUCK CHINA!! We in America are for sure are DONE with them....

FACT, any country willing to deal with China after this has finally settled down will probably have a revolution that gets all their leaders KILLED for not refusing to cut them off... The sentiment is growing and in six months the rest of the world will have recovered enough to realize we can ALL live without their manufacturing... Any idiot third world country can make garbage like they do...

FACT, anyone with any form of a conscience would not buy anything from China after this, giving them money only enables them to do MORE OF THE SAME AGAIN!!

 

 

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8 hours ago, 0R0 said:

They are refusing to export precursors and the completed drug to the US and demanding tariff reductions. That is extortion. People are importing that drug or its components to survive, not for an economic gain. 

The American political and bureaucratic swamp is ripe for a serious cleanup. Does not make me view the CCP as any better than my domestic political crooks.  Brazil had and actual convict running for office form jail. Some people bury themselves in loyalty over a critical view of their leadership. I suppose you have that exact same failing. 

You are extending the meaning of extortion, considerably, thus changing its meaning to suit your agenda. Whether your assertion is true remains to be seen: an accusation is not a fact until proven so. You should read Trump's now infamous book, art of the deal. Trump used extortion and threats as his basis for the so-called trade deal. Beyond this, Trump has caused the arrest of the Huawei exec, blocked Chinese investments, sanctioned individuals, and more, all to extort benefits from China. You may recall, further, the American forces bombed a Chinese embassy not so long ago, a clear act of war.  IF the Chinese are now responding negatively to Trump's tactics, the blame for this is Trump for setting the standard.  

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3 hours ago, SERWIN said:

FACT, China hid what was going on for at least 6 weeks before notifying the WHO about the virus.

FACT, China doesn't give a shit about any of its citizens, if they die, SO WHAT... They locked their seniors in buildings and let them DIE!!

FACT, China gave the world this virus because of its refusal to alert the WHO immediately about what was going on.

FACT, China has DESTROYED the world economy by doing so...

FACT, you obviously don't live in China, so maybe you should move over there and live the dream... Call us and tell us how its going, won't you? Maybe your government should be taking a VERY close look at you, and anyone defending the Communist regime right now...

FACT, China came out like petulant little children and actually blamed the USA for this pandemic...

FACT, FUCK CHINA!! We in America are for sure are DONE with them....

FACT, any country willing to deal with China after this has finally settled down will probably have a revolution that gets all their leaders KILLED for not refusing to cut them off... The sentiment is growing and in six months the rest of the world will have recovered enough to realize we can ALL live without their manufacturing... Any idiot third world country can make garbage like they do...

FACT, anyone with any form of a conscience would not buy anything from China after this, giving them money only enables them to do MORE OF THE SAME AGAIN!!

 

 

Your facts are nothing but a racist rant.  May your hatred sustain you when the covid strikes you.  

 

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7 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

Your facts are nothing but a racist rant.  May your hatred sustain you when the covid strikes you.  

 

You no longer have to fear about Racists rants, the would financials are in complete melt down. Money big world money is blind to color or nationality...Ownership of this crisis will find its home make no mistake.

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You no longer have to fear about Racists rants, the would financials are in complete melt down. Money big world money is blind to color or nationality...Ownership of this crisis will find its home make no mistake.

World financials?  A misnomer if ever was one.  Best is to call a spade a spade.  World financials are nothing but a fraudulent ponzi scheme.  That scheme is now under serious threat.  We aint seen nuttin yet. 

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6 hours ago, Dave Gilmour said:

It is all about the money. Anyone who is against the mix of Hydrochl , Antibiotics and Zinc/Vitamine C shot is a Big Pharma troll.

 

Big Pharma is paying a lot to troll this $10 medicine!

Bayer originally pledged to send 3 million pills to U.S. 

Merkle shut down exports of HCQ.

Bayer allowed to send just 1 million to save space.  Germany looking out for their own.  Understandable. 

Edited March 31, 2020 by BLA

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3 hours ago, frankfurter said:

 

 

8 hours ago, SERWIN said:

FACT, China hid what was going on for at least 6 weeks before notifying the WHO about the virus.

FACT, China doesn't give a shit about any of its citizens, if they die, SO WHAT... They locked their seniors in buildings and let them DIE!!

FACT, China gave the world this virus because of its refusal to alert the WHO immediately about what was going on.

FACT, China has DESTROYED the world economy by doing so...

FACT, you obviously don't live in China, so maybe you should move over there and live the dream... Call us and tell us how its going, won't you? Maybe your government should be taking a VERY close look at you, and anyone defending the Communist regime right now...

FACT, China came out like petulant little children and actually blamed the USA for this pandemic...

FACT, FUCK CHINA!! We in America are for sure are DONE with them....

FACT, any country willing to deal with China after this has finally settled down will probably have a revolution that gets all their leaders KILLED for not refusing to cut them off... The sentiment is growing and in six months the rest of the world will have recovered enough to realize we can ALL live without their manufacturing... Any idiot third world country can make garbage like they do...

FACT, anyone with any form of a conscience would not buy anything from China after this, giving them money only enables them to do MORE OF THE SAME AGAIN!!

 

 

Trump is actually playing nice with China at the moment.  You still need to get medical supplies from them for a long time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/economy/coronavirus-china-supplies.html

Relax, don't get so worked up, stay calm and focus on the important task of beating this pandemic.  I urge you to heed the wise words of WHO special representative Dr. Nabano: 'our focus must be on ensuring that we understand as best we can the emerging information that comes to us in the months and years ahead... for now, speed and solidarity based on what we are learning are more important than chasing perfection. If we want to reduce the effect of subsequent infections, we need to be fast, well connected and sensitive to the collective struggles of billions of people rather than apportioning blame.'

It will  be over fast if America is willing to swallow a short term pain of lockdown like other countries.  Follow the example of India, which is imposing a 21 day nationwide lockdown.  In my country, Malaysia, we are also in a lockdown for 4 weeks.  

I used to watch videos of deserted cities in China during their epidemic, but now life is returning to normal.  I visited Shanghai with my family last December, and here is a recent video of that city returning to life.

 

Edited March 31, 2020 by Hotone

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1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

Your facts are nothing but a racist rant.  May your hatred sustain you when the covid strikes you.  

 

That diversion does not work. The CCP and the government it runs maliciously lied and exported the virus knowing full well what they were doing. They essentially committed a vile bioweapons attack on the  entire world. It will pay for it.