Real Death Toll In CCP Virus May Be 12X Official Toll

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/real-death-toll-in-wuhan-might-be-12-times-official-figure-ashes-urns-tell-us_3289749.html

 

Real Virus Death Toll in Wuhan Could Be 12 Times Official Figure

BY NICOLE HAO

 

March 29, 2020 Updated: March 30, 2020

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10 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/real-death-toll-in-wuhan-might-be-12-times-official-figure-ashes-urns-tell-us_3289749.html

 

Real Virus Death Toll in Wuhan Could Be 12 Times Official Figure

BY NICOLE HAO

 

March 29, 2020 Updated: March 30, 2020

You should also check the video by anti-China Youtuber Laowhy86, where he mentioned that China lost 21 million mobile subscriptions!

Edited March 31, 2020 by Hotone

[frankfurter + 562]

The ET proves itself yet again to be a racist rant. The article is nothing but conjecture in racial tone: it's even less than propaganda, for propa mixes reality and fiction.  This proves the decay of the west.  Trash like this is read, accepted, and promoted without any retribution; while real journalism and journalists like Assange, Snowden and more are demonised, arrested, and abused. 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

11 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

The ET proves itself yet again to be a racist rant. The article is nothing but conjecture in racial tone: it's even less than propaganda, for propa mixes reality and fiction.  This proves the decay of the west.  Trash like this is read, accepted, and promoted without any retribution; while real journalism and journalists like Assange, Snowden and more are demonised, arrested, and abused. 

Snowden and Assange were journalists? Don’t think so!

So this one issue proves the decay of the West? Your bar for proof is extremely low.

 

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56 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

The ET proves itself yet again to be a racist rant. The article is nothing but conjecture in racial tone: it's even less than propaganda, for propa mixes reality and fiction.  This proves the decay of the west.  Trash like this is read, accepted, and promoted without any retribution; while real journalism and journalists like Assange, Snowden and more are demonised, arrested, and abused. 

 

Isn't epochtimes the Falun Gong folks? How can they be racist? I understand if they have an agenda against the current government in China, so would people in Taiwan.

 

What do you think of

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

 

I'm glad that there seem to be so many brave whistleblowers in China. The more corruption or incompetence w/ the current government in China is revealed, the more likely real change may happen, which would be great for the world.

 

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China Created a Fail-Safe System to Track Contagions. It Failed.

After SARS, Chinese health officials built an infectious disease reporting system to evade political meddling. But when the coronavirus emerged, so did fears of upsetting Beijing.

Updated March 30, 2020, 8:46 a.m. ET

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The alarm system was ready. Scarred by the SARS epidemic that erupted in 2002, China had created an infectious disease reporting system that officials said was world-class: fast, thorough and, just as important, immune from meddling.

Hospitals could input patients’ details into a computer and instantly notify government health authorities in Beijing, where officers are trained to spot and smother contagious outbreaks before they spread.

It didn’t work.

After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system — keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response.

The central health authorities first learned about the outbreak not from the reporting system but after unknown whistle-blowers leaked two internal documents online.

Even after Beijing got involved, local officials set narrow criteria for confirming cases, leaving out information that could have provided clues that the virus was spreading among humans.

Hospitals were ordered to count only patients with a known connection to the source of the outbreak, the seafood market. Doctors also had to have their cases confirmed by bureaucrats before they were reported to higher-ups.

As the United States, Europe and the rest of the world struggle to contain the coronavirus pandemic, China has cast itself as a model, bringing down a raging outbreak to the point where the country has begun to lift the kinds of onerous restrictions on life that are now imposed around the world.

This triumphant narrative obscures the early failures in reporting cases, squandered time that could have been used to slow infections in China before they exploded into a pandemic.

“According to the rules, this of course should have been reported,” Yang Gonghuan, a retired health care official involved in establishing the direct reporting system, said in an interview. “Of course they should have seized on it, found it, gone to understand it.”

Aggressive action just a week earlier in mid-January could have cut the number of infections by two-thirds, according to a recent study whose authors include an expert from Wuhan’s municipal Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Another study found that if China had moved to control the outbreak three weeks earlier, it might have prevented 95 percent of the country’s cases.

“I regret that back then I didn’t keep screaming out at the top of my voice,” Ai Fen, one of the doctors at Wuhan Central Hospital who spotted cases in December, said in an interview with a Chinese magazine. “I’ve often thought to myself what would have happened if I could wind back time.”

China’s leader, Xi Jinping, has sought to move quickly past the early failings and shift attention to the country’s drive to end the outbreak. The Chinese government has been widely castigated for its initial mistakes, which have become a top talking point of President Trump.

The central leadership has focused blame on local bureaucrats, including for censuring doctors who warned others about the infections. It promptly dismissed two health officials and, later, the party secretaries for Hubei Province and its capital, Wuhan.

Now, interviews with doctors, health experts and officials, leaked government documents, and investigations by the Chinese media reveal the depth of the government’s failings: how a system built to protect medical expertise and infection reports from political tampering succumbed to tampering.

Others tried to fill the void of information when the early warning system failed. The medical community found other, informal ways to alert others, disclosing government directives and hospital reports on the internet. During a rare burst of relative transparency early in the epidemic, Chinese journalists did much to expose the problems, but censors closed that window.

The government has vowed to fix flaws exposed in the disease surveillance system, but similar promises were made after SARS. Fresh efforts to repair the system now could also falter under a political hierarchy that leaves experts — doctors, even public health officials — unwilling to take on local leaders. In China, politics often ends up overriding the very safeguards created to prevent interference in the flow of information.

The failures in the first weeks “greatly reduced the vigilance and self-protection of the public and even medical workers, making it harder to contain the epidemic,” said a study of the epidemic by 12 medical experts from Shanghai Jiao Tong University. “Only precautions in ordinary times can prevent great disasters from arising.”

Preparing for the Worst

Last year, health officials exuded confidence that China would never again suffer a crisis like SARS.

In July, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention held what it called the nation’s biggest infectious outbreak training exercise since the SARS epidemic in 2002 and 2003, showcasing the strides that the government had made since the virus killed hundreds and traumatized the nation.

More than 8,200 officials took part in the online drill, focused on a traveler arriving from abroad with a fever who sets off temperature monitors, triggering a hunt for other passengers. The officials raced to test how quickly and effectively they could track, identify and contain the virus, including by notifying Beijing.

“Who knows what the next one will be?” said Feng Zijian, a senior disease control official who helped design the exercise, according to the center.

“The enemy is constantly evolving,” Dr. Feng said, “and our capacity to respond must also constantly improve.”

At the heart of China’s defenses was the Contagious Disease National Direct Reporting System. Started in 2004, it was designed to prevent a repeat of the SARS epidemic, when slow, patchy reporting, compounded by local leaders’ reluctance to share bad news, delayed the government’s fight.

Using this system, health officers in Beijing could pore over screens showing reports from hospitals or local disease control centers, ready to spot warning signs within a few hours of a doctor diagnosing a troublesome infection, such as cholera or tuberculosis, as well as hard-to-diagnose cases of viral pneumonia.

“Viruses like SARS could emerge anytime, but there’ll never be another SARS incident,” Gao Fu, director of China’s disease control center, said in a speech last year. “That’s thanks to how well our national contagious disease surveillance system works.”

The boasts were not empty.

The system had helped when China and other countries suffered outbreaks of avian influenza. In 2013, authorities filed cases of a potentially deadly H7N9 avian influenza virus, with orders to submit them within two hours of confirmation.

Last November, the country’s Center for Disease Control alerted the public to an outbreak of pneumonic plague in the sparsely populated Inner Mongolia, after only two cases emerged.

Since the outbreak in Wuhan, some doctors have said they were unsure how to report early cases, which did not fit into the standard list of infections. But little-understood infections could still be logged as “pneumonia of unknown etiology” — or unknown cause — when the patients did not respond to the usual treatment.

Year after year, Chinese health authorities warned hospitals to look out for such outliers.

“For many infectious diseases when you don’t know the cause, it can often present itself as pneumonia of unknown etiology,” said Dr. Yang, the retired official. “This was a way of capturing an outbreak while it was embryonic.”

The health authorities held regular meetings to train disease control officials in spotting and investigating unexplained and hard-to-treat pneumonia cases; the last was in Shanghai in October.

They inspected hospitals and local disease control centers to try to ensure that they were reporting all listed diseases, and the National Health Commission demanded 100 percent compliance. Although implementation was patchy, doctors reported a handful of unusual pneumonia infections, galvanizing investigators to track down the cause.

In early December, Hubei’s local Center for Disease Control called together officials from across the province to instill the system’s importance.

Huang Xibao, a deputy director of the center, told them to make sure that in 2020 Hubei was “number one nationwide in the overall quality of its contagious disease information.”

‘Far Worse’

Dr. Ai, the head of the intensive care unit at Wuhan Central Hospital, was among the first doctors to note a disturbing pattern among patients staggering into the city’s hospitals with dry coughs, high fevers and crippling lethargy. Computerized tomography or “CT” scans often revealed extensive damage to their lungs.

“It was a baffling high fever,” Dr. Ai said of a patient who turned up on Dec. 16, according to an interview in a Chinese magazine called People. “The medicines used throughout didn’t work, and his temperature didn’t move.”

By the end of the month, local disease control centers in Wuhan were receiving worried calls from doctors, telling of the strange, tenacious pneumonia cases that often seemed to emanate from the Huanan seafood market. Seven in one hospital, three in another, three in yet another.

“These patients may be infectious. Caring for them in a general hospital is a safety risk,” warned Huang Chaolin, a senior doctor at Jinyintan Hospital, the city’s main facility for infectious diseases. He saw seven patients from another hospital on Dec. 27, according to a report in the Health News, the official newspaper of the medical system.

In theory, doctors could have reported such cases directly, but Chinese hospitals also answer to Communist Party bureaucracies. Over time, hospitals often came to defer to local health authorities about reporting troublesome infections, apparently to avoid surprising and embarrassing local leaders.

That deference may not have mattered much most of the time. Now it gave officials in Wuhan an opening to control and distort information about the virus.

Local disease control offices in the city had counted 25 such cases by Dec. 30, said an official internal report that was leaked online last month by unknown whistle-blowers. The brief document was one of the first attempts by Wuhan to understand the extent of cases, and listed patients had fallen ill starting Dec. 12.

“The local health administration clearly made a choice not to use the reporting system,” said Dali Yang, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago who studies policymaking in China. “It is clear they were trying to resolve the problem within the province.”

Leaders in Wuhan seem to have assumed that the outbreak would peter out like bursts of avian flu infection — short-lived and localized — Shao Yiming, a virologist at the Center for Disease Control, said in an interview with Caixin, a Chinese magazine.

“This fixed mind-set caused errors in judgment, so we lost the opportunity to early on adopt encircling tactics and tell the public how to self-protect,” Dr. Shao said.

Word of the outbreak started to reach disease control officials in Beijing after rumors and the leaked documents began to spread online. The national center for disease control has pointedly avoided saying in announcements that it had been notified by Wuhan, instead noting that it had “learned of” the outbreak. Local officials have hedged over when and how they told Beijing.

The leaked documents were two internal Wuhan government directives, which emerged online on Dec. 30, possibly released by worried medical workers. The directives, marked “urgent,” ordered hospitals to send the city health commission information about cases of the mysterious pneumonia, improve treatment of patients and avoid infection in hospitals. At the same time, doctors alerted colleagues to the outbreak in private group chats on social media, which prompted official reprimands.

Gao Fu, the director of the Center for Disease Control, spotted the information circulating online and raised alarms, according to an account by Hua Sheng, a prominent Chinese economist who has defended the center. Dr. Gao declined to answer questions. The center ordered teams of experts to rush to Wuhan, and the first group arrived by the next morning.

“News that pneumonia of unknown cause had emerged in Wuhan shook the nerves of every emergency response worker in the Chinese Center for Disease Control,” said a report issued by the center.

Officials from the National Health Commission have said that they ordered Wuhan to issue its first official announcement on the outbreak on Dec. 31. That day the government also informed the World Health Organization’s office in Beijing.

Some of the first cases were finally entered into the system on Jan. 3, though by then it was too late to serve as the early warning system it was intended to be.

 

Narrow Criteria

When the central government became involved, local officials outwardly welcomed the expert investigators sent by Beijing. Officials described the infections as nothing too serious.

“They said that the illness was quite light, not much different from seasonal influenza, and there’d been no illnesses among hundreds of people with close contact,” Zeng Guang, a Chinese epidemiologist who visited Wuhan on Jan. 9, said of his talks there, according to the China Youth Daily. “They sounded very relaxed.”

Behind the scenes, officials in Wuhan mounted an effort to limit the number of infections counted as part of the outbreak, creating barriers against doctors filing cases.

A leaked report from Wuhan Central Hospital describes how in the first half of January local officials told doctors that cases had to be confirmed by bureaucratic overseers, above all, city and province health authorities.

An official from a district disease control center in Wuhan told the hospital doctor handling infection reports on Jan. 3 that “this was a special contagious disease and we should report only after superiors had notified us,” the leaked report said.

Starting on Jan. 3, Wuhan’s Health Commission set narrow criteria for confirming that a case was officially part of the outbreak, according to a copy of the diagnostic guide that was leaked to the Chinese media, possibly by a medical professional. The rules said patients could be counted if they had been to the market or had close contact with another patient who had. That excluded a growing number of likely cases with no clear link to the market.

For most of the first half of January, local officials maintained that there had been no new confirmed infections, even as doctors in Wuhan and visiting experts suspected that a dangerous contagion was spreading from person to person.

“I lived through SARS, and to me the early period of this epidemic felt shockingly like SARS,” Li Liming, a Peking University professor of public health who was among the experts sent to Wuhan, told a Chinese newspaper. “In both, there was no rapid system response at the start.”

Zhong Nanshan, a disease expert who helped identify SARS, was also skeptical of the official optimism in Wuhan after visiting the city and hearing from his former students there.

He and other experts finished their assessment of Wuhan on Jan. 19, convinced the virus had gained a menacing foothold, and conveyed their alarm to senior officials in meetings in Beijing.

“All the members of the expert team reported that the situation was grim,” Yuen Kwok-yung, a professor of infectious diseases at the University of Hong Kong who was among the expert group, told Caixin magazine. “Preventive measures had to fall in place immediately.”

After weeks of reporting no new infections, the Wuhan government disclosed four new cases on Jan. 18, followed by 17 the next day and 136 the next.

Four days later, Wuhan was shut down to contain the spread.

At the time, the coronavirus had killed 26 people and sickened more than 800. By Sunday, there were more than 670,000 cases worldwide; more than 31,000 people have died.

 

 

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, Hotone said:

You should also check the video by anti-China Youtuber Laowhy86, where he mentioned that China lost 21 million mobile subscriptions!

I have, but don't know what to think of it. 

[SERWIN + 749]

10 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Snowden and Assange were journalists? Don’t think so!

So this one issue proves the decay of the West? Your bar for proof is extremely low.

 

I finally just blocked this moron Frankfurter and Enthpalic too. Tired of seeing all the Chinese propaganda from these two losers. They both need to pack up and move their asses to China to live the dream. China sucks, and most of us are intelligent enough to understand that. But both of them live in countries where they are free to spew this Chinese propaganda. Both these guys probably live on the internet with no friends or family. Who would want to be friends with a communist sympathizer anyway? If they were my family I wouldn't have anything to do with them either....

Edited March 31, 2020 by SERWIN

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

Now Serwin, they probably did not get enough hugs as children, maxed out on ‘participation trophies’ in their politically correct high schools, and now reside in their mother’s basement as they can’t find meaningful employment. They are likely neighbors.

This gives them unlimited time to study Mao’s Little Red Book and then educate the rest of us on OilPrice.

It’s not their fault!!!!

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26 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

It’s not their fault!!!!

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

It’s not really surprising...the DNA and RNA of the 57 other genders is so f**ked up that even COVID-19 won’t touch it!

Simple really...🤔

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

I don't know how many people actually died in China, all we have to go on is the statistics that they released. My hunch is that the statistics are right, but they only apply to the sample of people that they were able to test and care for - i.e. the people in the cities.

This would make for good sampling data - i.e. who has the worse cases by age and gender, and are cases levelling off or decreasing - but can't by used to say what the overall cost in human terms is. Could the overall count be off by an order of magnitude? I daresay it could. There's no independent source on the ground there to report anything different than CCP.

In the US, bad numbers are as a result of inadequate testing and different states using different criteria. Over time I expect the US numbers to come closer to reality.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

How about the numbers of other countries around the world? Or has this pandemic now morphed into a China-US pissing contest?

Do any other countries use other methods? What does the useless WHO have to say about the accuracy of the data?

Is the rest of the planet just sheep who follow either the US or China?

Come on now! It is a global pandemic! There should be alot more discussions other than what the US or China is doing?

The EU always wants the rest of the world to think that they are smarter than a tree full of owls - let’s hear what they have to say!

Edited March 31, 2020 by Douglas Buckland
Typo

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

The EU always wants the rest of the world to think that they are smarter than a tree full of owls - let’s hear what they have to say!

Hope you're not tarnishing good old England in that EU jibe 😂

I always thought the Scandinavians were smart and then I read this today

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic-11966132

I think by the numbers you can dispel the myth that EU countries are smarter than anywhere else! Where are the big wig leaders of the Eu during this fiasco anyway? all gone to ground by the looks of things.

For me South Korea are the only ones to come out of this with any semblance of respect in the way they have handled this and protected their people.

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2 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Now Serwin, they probably did not get enough hugs as children, maxed out on ‘participation trophies’ in their politically correct high schools, and now reside in their mother’s basement as they can’t find meaningful employment. They are likely neighbors.

This gives them unlimited time to study Mao’s Little Red Book and then educate the rest of us on OilPrice.

It’s not their fault!!!!

Bless their hearts.  (Can't you just picture your Aunt down in Texas saying that?)  But I blocked them both long ago as well.  Couldn't stand the antagonism and confrontational tone of everything.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

As far as I am concerned, the Brits are out of the EU for all intents and purposes!

I sincerely hope this is the still the case after we collectively knock this Covid-19 thing in the head!

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

3 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Bless their hearts.  (Can't you just picture your Aunt down in Texas saying that?)  But I blocked them both long ago as well.  Couldn't stand the antagonism and confrontational tone of everything.

I do all this via my handphone...can’t block on the app...😖

[TooSteep + 142]

13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

The ET proves itself yet again to be a racist rant. The article is nothing but conjecture in racial tone: it's even less than propaganda, for propa mixes reality and fiction.  This proves the decay of the west.  

The #1 priority of CCP propaganda is to conflate the CCP with the Chinese race. The real racists are those who support the CCP and their propaganda campaign. The CCP keep their boots firmly on the throats of the 1,200,000,000 Chinese people who are not card-carrying party members. The party, who couldn't care less about the average Chinese, are the racists.

Mao murdered at least 65,000,000. And the CCP of today continues his glorious tradition in Xinjiang and Tibet. ANd they would love to start in Hong Kong and Taiwan as well. 

The beloved chairman was history's greatest mass murderer.

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder

 

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1238076579466674178/photo/2

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12 hours ago, surrept33 said:

What do you think of

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

What do you think of it? What is the strategic position of the party right now? They want to hang a few local officials with blame, and then present themselves as the saviors of the world, instead of as the arsonists who returned later to piss on the raging inferno they started.

Nothing happens without the knowledge of the party. They have permanent 7/24 surveillance over everyone and everything.One thing I don't understand why they continued lying about 'no person to person transmission' deep into January - 6 weeks after they knew otherwise, and after 6,000,000 locals dispersed globally. What was their motivation for that? Every person on the planet with half a brain is furious with the CCP right now. Why did they think that was a good thing?

[0R0 + 6,251]

16 hours ago, frankfurter said:

The ET proves itself yet again to be a racist rant. The article is nothing but conjecture in racial tone: it's even less than propaganda, for propa mixes reality and fiction.  This proves the decay of the west.  Trash like this is read, accepted, and promoted without any retribution; while real journalism and journalists like Assange, Snowden and more are demonised, arrested, and abused. 

The CCP is not China, it is a foreign occupying power. No comment against the CCP nor the governemnt and army it controls in China has anything to do with their being Chinese. It is not racist. Your claim of racism is a LIE.

There is no relationship of Assange Snowden to this. Why raise them but to obfuscate the issues?

[0R0 + 6,251]

2 hours ago, TooSteep said:

What do you think of it? What is the strategic position of the party right now? They want to hang a few local officials with blame, and then present themselves as the saviors of the world, instead of as the arsonists who returned later to piss on the raging inferno they started.

Nothing happens without the knowledge of the party. They have permanent 7/24 surveillance over everyone and everything.One thing I don't understand why they continued lying about 'no person to person transmission' deep into January - 6 weeks after they knew otherwise, and after 6,000,000 locals dispersed globally. What was their motivation for that? Every person on the planet with half a brain is furious with the CCP right now. Why did they think that was a good thing?

It was a deliberate CCP action to spread the virus so that China's leadership will look good at home and "prove" that their system is better than the democratic countries. It was intended to save face for the horrible flop of the party. I don't know if 21 million is the number to use as stated elsewhere on the forum. But the differential in the number of cell phone accounts abandoned this year relative to the prior year was 160k. Mostly in Wuhan. That also corresponds to the number of dead calculated from the crematorium numbers and mercury emissions. Delivery of urns will confirm the scale. 

 

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3 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

It was a deliberate CCP action to spread the virus so that China's leadership will look good at home and "prove" that their system is better than the democratic countries. It was intended to save face for the horrible flop of the party. I don't know if 21 million is the number to use as stated elsewhere on the forum. But the differential in the number of cell phone accounts abandoned this year relative to the prior year was 160k. Mostly in Wuhan. That also corresponds to the number of dead calculated from the crematorium numbers and mercury emissions. Delivery of urns will confirm the scale. 

Just one crematorium received 10,000 urns in one day, and they were all spoken for. But yeah, nothing to see here folks, move along. CCP has this…

[frankfurter + 562]

9 hours ago, 0R0 said:

It was a deliberate CCP action to spread the virus so that China's leadership will look good at home and "prove" that their system is better than the democratic countries. It was intended to save face for the horrible flop of the party. I don't know if 21 million is the number to use as stated elsewhere on the forum. But the differential in the number of cell phone accounts abandoned this year relative to the prior year was 160k. Mostly in Wuhan. That also corresponds to the number of dead calculated from the crematorium numbers and mercury emissions. Delivery of urns will confirm the scale. 

 

Your numbers are a fabrication, to suit your hatred. If you have proof, then show it. Your only solution is to call for mass murder. Your only crutch is to blame the Chinese, with zero proof to support your blame. This is psychopathic. IF the Chinese wanted to infect the world, they would have done so by military operations, not random civilian.  And they would not have firstly infected their own people. Such an assertion is lunacy.

The USA was first to develop the covid, and closed the military lab on account it had insufficient safeguards and leaks did in fact occur.  Many factors are now revealed to indicate this covid was planted.  All elements of a crime present themselves.  The USA had/has a motive to attack China.  The means is present and clear. The connection to result is present and clear.  All that remains is the burden of proof. 

 

 

[frankfurter + 562]

9 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Just one crematorium received 10,000 urns in one day, and they were all spoken for. But yeah, nothing to see here folks, move along. CCP has this…

interesting.  have you verifiable proof?  

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

frankfurter forgot his meds again today. Nothing to see here, move along...

[0R0 + 6,251]

10 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

Your numbers are a fabrication, to suit your hatred. If you have proof, then show it. Your only solution is to call for mass murder. Your only crutch is to blame the Chinese, with zero proof to support your blame. This is psychopathic. IF the Chinese wanted to infect the world, they would have done so by military operations, not random civilian.  And they would not have firstly infected their own people. Such an assertion is lunacy.

The USA was first to develop the covid, and closed the military lab on account it had insufficient safeguards and leaks did in fact occur.  Many factors are now revealed to indicate this covid was planted.  All elements of a crime present themselves.  The USA had/has a motive to attack China.  The means is present and clear. The connection to result is present and clear.  All that remains is the burden of proof. 

 

 

The CCP = Communist Coronavirus Propagators, hid, obfuscated and sent abroad 6 mil people quite a few of them carrying SARS COV 2. The Chinese numbers are deliberate fabrications. The actual number of infections is in the 10 million range or above. The epidemiology reported, and the response were disproportionate. I estimate NYC at about 80% infected, Wuhan, having had the virus spreading unchecked for two months, would have to be within that range or above. 

The paranoid psychotics leading the CCP have deliberately released the virus out into the world once it was an epidemic at home. Had China been a civilized country they would have stopped outgoing flights but for repatriating foreigners. 

If the Covid 19 was stolen among many other samples from a US or Canadian laboratory, it is still the Chinese lab's responsibility to keep it from escaping confinement. 

As you are making unsubstantiated claims as usual, right out of the Ministry of Propaganda guidelines, I say you are lying.

Do your people a favor and steal the information you can put your hands on and send it to the world to see. If you can't, then throw a murderous party leader out the window if you ever manage to come close to one. Your people would thank you for letting them get rid of the CCP without a civil war.