A New Paradigm for Treating Covid 19

[NickW + 2,714]

Interesting

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-germany-treating-its-coronavirus-patients-differently-

The other question that needs to be asked is whether there is something about Germany’s treatment of coronavirus victims that has resulted in a lower death rate. That is how Dr Thomas Voshaar, a lung specialist who runs a clinic in the town of Heinsberg in North Rhine-Westphalia sees it. In an interview with the Frankfurter Allegmeine, he speaks of how he has treated 29 patients without suffering a single death so far. It isn’t testing that makes the difference, he says – he doesn’t even bother with the tests because he finds them unreliable. Instead, he gives suspected Covid-19 patients a CT scan of their lungs in order to assess the extent of damage – and then treats them occasionally.

What he doesn’t do, he says, is rush to put patients on a ventilator. In fact, only one of his patients so far has been given this form of treatment. It is best avoided for as long as possible, he says, because the machines exert too much pressure on the lungs, and the air supplied is too rich in oxygen. That can lead to patients dying of collapsed lung. He says he was astounded at the extent to which ventilators have been used to treat patients in Italy.

[John Foote + 1,135]

One of the oddest things I've read, being inoculated for small pox seems to help. As someone who's personally been inoculated three times for small pox, I hope it's true. 

This problem will be managed. 

[NickW + 2,714]

10 hours ago, John Foote said:

One of the oddest things I've read, being inoculated for small pox seems to help. As someone who's personally been inoculated three times for small pox, I hope it's true. 

This problem will be managed. 

Most people vaccinated for small pox are going to elderly 50 plus. The Epidemiology for this group and COVID is not looking good. 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

1 hour ago, NickW said:

Most people vaccinated for small pox are going to elderly 50 plus. The Epidemiology for this group and COVID is not looking good. 

There is some plausibility that people who have ancestors who survived smallpox might be more resistant to this virus.

Not the vaccine - a genotype related to smallpox survivors.

https://www.virology.ws/2009/02/20/hiv-1/

Edited April 10, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

A vaccine history instead of a gene selection pressure might actually make things worse by increasing the immune response (cytokine storm shock)

Edited April 10, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

1 hour ago, NickW said:

Most people vaccinated for small pox are going to elderly 50 plus. The Epidemiology for this group and COVID is not looking good. 

50 is elderly?

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

50 is elderly?

Dang it, we're officially elderly.

Hey you kids, get off my lawn!

 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

14 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Dang it, we're officially elderly.

Hey you kids, get off my lawn!

 

Damn Tom....I guess I’m ‘elderly +’

[NickW + 2,714]

4 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

50 is elderly?

Simply making the point that in most western countries SP vaccination ended in the 1970's (Uk 1971) so the pool of people who have had this are going to be mid 40;s and older. 

[NickW + 2,714]

4 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

50 is elderly?

For some yes. A bloke in his 70's like you looks quite well😋

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

8 hours ago, NickW said:

For some yes. A bloke in his 70's like you looks quite well😋

...and now I’m apparently in my 70’s! Can’t win with this crowd!😂

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

8 hours ago, NickW said:

Simply making the point that in most western countries SP vaccination ended in the 1970's (Uk 1971) so the pool of people who have had this are going to be mid 40;s and older. 

Way to ‘crawfish’ (back out of) calling us old!😂

Good recovery!

[John Foote + 1,135]

On 4/10/2020 at 6:01 AM, NickW said:

Most people vaccinated for small pox are going to elderly 50 plus. The Epidemiology for this group and COVID is not looking good. 

I fall under the elderly camp, but was revaccinated for it while in my 30s for some potential tasking the military had me involved with. Also tested with some med that tied up roughly 25% of my neurons. There was (probably is) a leading edge nerve gas which there wasn't any antidote for. But it only infected active neurons. So the cure was you essentially poison yourself, locking up 25% of your neurons. Then if you do get hit by the nastiest of nerve gasses, and it's obvious that atropine is useless, you take the antidote to your meds, and get back that 25% and you'll survive. A strange byproduct of Parkinson's research and treatment, how to survive that particular kind of nerve gas. The go, no-go pill training and implementation was a lot more comforting. As long as you only do it for a few days at a time is feels pretty good.

Geez the stuff the bio folks game up with. Probably safer than the nuke games my grandfather-in-law played in the 50s. He lived to his 90s, but that was hardly typical of the folks in those tests.

Here's betting Keith Richards can handle COVID-19 too. What a freaky genome he must have.