Peaceful rebellions against overreaching restrictions by *elected* Governors

[William Sol + 9]

4 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Well, William, those people are only mixing with a like-minded group of individuals.  So that is part of their statement.  They believe they have the right to go out and get on with life.  They are NOT saying that other non-like-minded people have to come out of their houses and join them.  That is in direct contrast of their belief that they are being forced to isolate and go broke based on other people's beliefs.  Still to this day the arguments rage about whether or not anybody knows for certain that this virus is as fatal as some would have us believe.  Many examples of data manipulation have been uncovered, further adding to the uncertainty.  Finally, the fact of the matter is that in the United States the individual does have certain unalienable rights.  They are exercising their rights and they do not ask you to give up yours.  I.e. if you stay inside your house, those protestors are of no danger to you.  Isn't that what you believe?

You make some good points, however, it reminds me of Texas Governor Rick Perry vetoing a law that would have made texting while driving illegal on the the basis that it infringed on individual rights.  The problem with that kind of thinking is that there was and is statistical evidence that texting while driving can and does cause injury, death, and damage of property of those who are simply on the highway at the wrong time.  Thankfully, the law was passed and signed into law subsequent to the veto.  Don't forget that "providing for the General Welfare" is mentioned in the preamble to the Constitution.  I cannot control where reckless individuals go.  Its the government's job to protect me from their movements and actions when they are deemed harmful to others. 

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6 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Gateway Pundit for example is far more *independent* than CNN.  Gateway Pundit is considered far right, while CNN is considered far left.

CNN isn't considered far left. It's just entertainment oriented to keep viewers attracted -- though not nearly as entertainment heavy as Fox News. There's no point measuring Gateway Pundit's political leanings because it's a conspiracy theory crackpot service on par with InfoWars. 

Just like Fox News, CNN has a news division and an infotainment division where professional pundits are paid to give opinions and keep viewers viewing. Independent media isn't better just because it's independent. Journalism quality, indy or not, is measured by how closely they follow methodologies intended to provide accurate information. 

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba

[Ron Ron + 18]

On 4/19/2020 at 7:52 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Starting a thread to highlight the backlash against overly restrictive rules issued by elected representatives.  As an example of overly restrictive and arbitrary restrictions, here in Michigan, it is oddly prohibited to purchase garden seeds.  Madness.  Victory Gardens have a long history in the U.S.  To ban seeds for Victory Gardens is unacceptable.

To quote on of my comments in another thread:

 

 

Anyway, from ABC News (yes, I'm well aware that ABC is MSM)

 

Charlie Kirk calls on Students for Trump members to launch 'peaceful rebellion against governors' over stay-at-home orders

As protests against stay-at-home orders due to novel coronavirus break out around the country, Students for Trump, one of the main political groups backing President Donald Trump's reelection, is calling on its young members to join the efforts.

During a virtual convention on Friday for Students for Trump, the college campus arm of Turning Point USA, the group's founder Charlie Kirk urged members to launch a "peaceful rebellion against governors" in states like Michigan and Wisconsin.

Kirk, speaking to over 500 members of the conservative nonprofit organization geared at activating college students to reelect the president who tuned in to the event, derided governors like Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer for encroaching on their rights and urged them to join the protests around the country. The event was hosted on Zoom.

It's not immediately clear if any protests have been organized due to Kirk's comments.

"Peaceful is the operative word. Charlie is simply calling on Americans to exercise their First Amendment right to peacefully push back against the arbitrary overreaches of certain governors who are prohibiting completely safe activities," a spokesman for Kirk told ABC News in a statement. "Americans have patriotically and heroically unified to slow the spread, and now Charlie believes it's time to let our political leaders know that it's time to open the country back up."

Kirk is a favorite of the president and appeared at the White House for a "Generation Next Summit" in 2018. He's also routinely retweeted by the president, and recently wrote a book titled "The MAGA Doctrine."

The Trump campaign declined to comment, but a senior official noted that the group isn't a official coalition.  ...

 

 

On 4/19/2020 at 7:52 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Starting a thread to highlight the backlash against overly restrictive rules issued by elected representatives.  As an example of overly restrictive and arbitrary restrictions, here in Michigan, it is oddly prohibited to purchase garden seeds.  Madness.  Victory Gardens have a long history in the U.S.  To ban seeds for Victory Gardens is unacceptable.

To quote on of my comments in another thread:

 

 

Anyway, from ABC News (yes, I'm well aware that ABC is MSM)

 

Charlie Kirk calls on Students for Trump members to launch 'peaceful rebellion against governors' over stay-at-home orders

As protests against stay-at-home orders due to novel coronavirus break out around the country, Students for Trump, one of the main political groups backing President Donald Trump's reelection, is calling on its young members to join the efforts.

During a virtual convention on Friday for Students for Trump, the college campus arm of Turning Point USA, the group's founder Charlie Kirk urged members to launch a "peaceful rebellion against governors" in states like Michigan and Wisconsin.

Kirk, speaking to over 500 members of the conservative nonprofit organization geared at activating college students to reelect the president who tuned in to the event, derided governors like Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer for encroaching on their rights and urged them to join the protests around the country. The event was hosted on Zoom.

It's not immediately clear if any protests have been organized due to Kirk's comments.

"Peaceful is the operative word. Charlie is simply calling on Americans to exercise their First Amendment right to peacefully push back against the arbitrary overreaches of certain governors who are prohibiting completely safe activities," a spokesman for Kirk told ABC News in a statement. "Americans have patriotically and heroically unified to slow the spread, and now Charlie believes it's time to let our political leaders know that it's time to open the country back up."

Kirk is a favorite of the president and appeared at the White House for a "Generation Next Summit" in 2018. He's also routinely retweeted by the president, and recently wrote a book titled "The MAGA Doctrine."

The Trump campaign declined to comment, but a senior official noted that the group isn't a official coalition.  ...

 

The governor of Ohio is a Republican. 

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Interesting

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

9 hours ago, William Sol said:

You make some good points, however, it reminds me of Texas Governor Rick Perry vetoing a law that would have made texting while driving illegal on the the basis that it infringed on individual rights.  The problem with that kind of thinking is that there was and is statistical evidence that texting while driving can and does cause injury, death, and damage of property of those who are simply on the highway at the wrong time.  Thankfully, the law was passed and signed into law subsequent to the veto.  Don't forget that "providing for the General Welfare" is mentioned in the preamble to the Constitution.  I cannot control where reckless individuals go.  Its the government's job to protect me from their movements and actions when they are deemed harmful to others. 

Nope.  You stay in your house following your self-isolation regimen and they don't endanger you in the least.  They have no interest in entering your house or even seeing you.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

7 hours ago, Ron Ron said:

 

The governor of Ohio is a Republican. 

Republicans can be jackholes too.  RHINO springs to mind (Republican In Name Only)
Many politicians of any stripe or bent mostly seem to become politicians for 

   a) self-enrichment

   b) power & control

Not all politicians.  But it seems a majority of senior state level and federal level need to be reminded that they are elected representatives, and not mini dictators for life.  Pelosi springs to mind.  Ditto Bernie Sanders.  WTF has Bernie ever actually accomplished during his decades in power as a senior elected representative?  Bernie bailed after only 4 weeks of a test run of Democratic Socialism.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

A Washington Sheriff Is Sick of the Assault on Our Constitutional Rights, and He’s Sticking It to the Governor

On March 23rd, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s instituted a stay-at-home order for the entire state. And on April 2nd, he extended it through May 4th.

But on Tuesday, Snohomish County Sheriff Adam Fortney posted to Facebook his best Twisted Sister — sick of the COVID-19-inspired assault on constitutional rights, he’s not gonna take it.

Adam had a lot to say.

“I just watched the Governor’s speech to Washingtonian’s regarding our approach to getting Washington back in business,” he began, “and I am left to wonder if he even has a plan?”

Adam said he “wasn’t even sure what [Jay] was trying to say half of the time.”

And to be curt: “He has no plan. He has no details.”

The lawman wants the constitutional rollback to stop — there appears to be insufficient reasoning.

Adam noted that he’d written something similar a couple weeks before, but he’d chosen to give the governor the benefit of the doubt — perhaps he’d be revealing more in the way of getting people back to work. But it hasn’t happened.

“After what I witnessed tonight, I can no longer stay silent as I’m not even sure he knows what he is doing or knows what struggles Washingtonian’s face right now.”

The sheriff noted that the pandemic is dangerous, but the citizenry is taking precaution. And he’s worried about people’s ability to take care of their needs — particularly when the country’s endured a shutdown that was based on faulty modeling. And the plan we’re currently following could be taking us in the absolute wrong direction.

Furthermore, as Adam sees it, the distinctions between “essential” and “non-” are ridiculous:

“Are pot shops really essential, or did he allow them to stay in business because of the government taxes received from them? … If pot shops are essential, then why aren’t gun shops essential? Our Governor has told us that private building/construction must stop as it is not essential, but government construction is okay to continue. So let me get this right, according to the Governor if you are employed or contracted by the government to build government things you can still make a living for your family in spite of any health risk. If you are a construction worker in the private sector, you cannot make a living and support your family because the health risk is too high. This contradiction is not okay and in my opinion is bordering on unethical.”

He grilled the governor somethin’ fierce:

“As I arrive to work at the courthouse, I see landscapers show up each day to install new landscape and maintain our flowerbeds. How has Governor Inslee deemed this essential work? However, a father who owns a construction company and works alone while outdoors is not allowed to run his business to make a living to provide for his wife and children? How has Governor Inslee deemed thousands of Boeing employees who work inside a factory building airplanes essential? But building residential homes is not essential? If a factory with 20,000+ employees each day can implement safe practices to conduct normal business operations, I am entirely confident that our small business owners and independent contractors are more than capable of doing the same. … The government should not be picking winners or losers when it comes to being able to make an income for your family.

As “the virus is proving to not be as lethal as we thought,” Adam asserted, perhaps it’s “time for a balanced and reasonable approach to safely get our economy moving again and allowing small businesses to once again provide an income for their families and save their businesses.”

And he made it clear — the Inslee is impeding citizens’ rights:

“ believe that preventing business owners to operate their businesses and provide for their families intrudes on our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Bottom line:

“As your elected Sheriff, I will always put your constitutional rights above politics or popular opinion. … The impacts of COVID 19 no longer warrant the suspension of our constitutional rights.”

So he’s defying Jay Inslee:

“Along with other elected Sheriffs around our state, the Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office will not be enforcing an order preventing religious freedoms or constitutional rights.”

Furthermore, he encouraged citizens to demand of their leaders the right to begin reopening business and “to return to work if they choose to do so.”

“This is not a time to blindly follow,” he surmised. “This is a time to lead the way.”

Wow. It’s quite the bold stance for a sheriff.

Then again, much of America is currently engulfed in a pretty bold shutdown.

Adam is right — people are suffering, and they need to get back to work in order to survive.

How best might we beat this virus? That’s the million-dollar question, but personally, I believe the nation was right to initially pause. Healthcare has needed to find its way to sufficiency. But we obviously can’t stay locked down forever, and there’s little to any immunity being built among the herd. Moreover, amid the crisis, an economic one doesn’t help.

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This USC research suggests that many more unknown Covid cases have existed in LA County. So what does this tell us which was not even mentioned in the article? That the true fatality rate is near 0.1% which I have been suggesting we would see once this is all over. In other words, it was just another strain of influenza and well within the normal data we see each flu season. The fact they can declare a plandemic each flu season now whenever they deem fit is the biggest concern moving forward.

  https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody-testing-results-covid-19-infections-los-angeles-county/

[William Toffenetti + 3]

According to MarketWatch  1/5 of population tested positive for Coronavirus antibodies in nyc. I'm not even sure what that means?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-than-21-of-new-york-city-residents-tested-for-coronavirus-antibodies-were-positive-says-gov-cuomo-2020-04-23

While I think it would be a mistake to compare the virus with the flu I also think that  shutting down the USA might have been a knee jerk reaction that I could not blame anyone for doing.  However, I would not protest in this manor and I obey Gov. Cuomo's wishes because I don't want to potentially, hurt anybody because of my selfishness.  That being said, I believe that Governor Cuomo is a extremely corrupt politician and that he's playing the coronavirus politics in order to put himself in position to run for president.  

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by William Toffenetti

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Colleyville defies state orders and reopens restaurants and churches

Defying a lockdown across Texas as well as the most basic common sense, the town of Colleyville is going to allow churches, restaurants, and other businesses to reopen with certain limitations, despite an unresolved ending to the coronavirus pandemic.

On April 20, Colleyville Mayor Richard Newton issued a proclamation that allows:

• resumption of religious services, provided that physical distancing applies
• restaurants to serve diners, although on their patios only
• retail stores to host in-store appointments, in addition to pickup and delivery
• gyms, beauty salons, massage parlors, and other "hands-on" business to do one-on-one services

Fitness classes are also allowed, as long as there are 10 students or less and they're observing physical distancing.

Also, groups of 10 or less are no longer restricted to family members. Reunion with your friends, Colleyvill-ites.

Religious services are no longer prohibited "provided that physical distancing applies and such services should, whenever possible, be conducted via remote audio, video, or teleconference means."

The town is also allowing elective surgery and other non-necessary medical procedures.

"While safety remains our top priority, we also recognize the need to re-open our city," a statement from the city said. "We are taking the first steps in that process in a methodical and safe way."

On March 19, Gov. Greg Abbott declared a public health disaster in the state of Texas, imposing statewide closures of restaurants, bars, schools, gyms, nursing homes, and retirement centers, in an attempt to stop the spread of COVID-19.

One month later, on April 17, Abbott announced plans to reopen Texas in stages, beginning with state parks, then retail stores for pickup and delivery only. Texas still does not allow unlimited contact between those not in the same family.

As his rationale, Gov. Abbott stated that "we're seeing glimmers that the worst of COVID-19 may soon be behind us."  ...

[Boat + 1,324]

On 4/19/2020 at 3:36 PM, Jan van Eck said:

Amazing stuff.  At one time in the past, there were these videos of college women on Spring Break, called "Girls Gone Wild!"   It depicted girls, typically drunk, doing ridiculous things, mostly involving taking clothes off and chest-flashing the crowd.   Now, we have the (above) videos of the cops in Greenville, Mississippi, saying "Your Constitutional rights are suspended!"   What a moron. The question remains:  did he get all C's in high school, or did he flunk out in the tenth grade?  What do we call this:  "Cops gone Wild?" 

Readers might note that the Governor of Michigan is so into micro-commanding the citizens of her State that her Order says, "You can go out on the Lake  (presumably Lakes Michigan and Huron, maybe the other inland lakes in the State, who knows?) in a kayak or paddleboard, but you cannot go out in a boat with a motor."  Now, does that not take the cake?   Who elects these crazies?

Oh, I forgot:  the voters do.  Welcome to Lansing, folks. The Portal to the Twilinght Zone. 

The drop out rate for school ran 25-35% for decades while foreign immigration drop out rates ran higher. Of course many college level students struggle as well. So yea, plenty of crazies around since the world population exploded. 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Wisconsin guillotine

 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tannerkahler/status/1253763907719761924

 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

4 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Wisconsin guillotine

 

They designed it wrong: the guillotine is supposed to have an angled blade for impact, thus concentrating the slicing pressure on a single contact point as it works its way through your neck.....   

Typical Midwesterner redneck gun nuts,  cannot read French!  No wonder they don't sport the Fabrique Nationale rifles on parade duty!

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

On 4/26/2020 at 6:17 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

Wisconsin guillotine

 

I wonder where those boys set their beers while they had their picture taken?

@Jan van Eck If a blade doesn't cut, it's a good excuse to empty a few clips finishing the job.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

2 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

@Jan van Eck If a blade doesn't cut, it's a good excuse to empty a few clips finishing the job

These boys are all bluff, no stuff.  Those things aren't even loaded, just for show. 

They have made it clear that Governor is not popular!  Great street drama, though. 

[William Sol + 9]

On 4/22/2020 at 12:31 PM, Dan Warnick said:

Well, William, those people are only mixing with a like-minded group of individuals.  So that is part of their statement.  They believe they have the right to go out and get on with life.  They are NOT saying that other non-like-minded people have to come out of their houses and join them.  That is in direct contrast of their belief that they are being forced to isolate and go broke based on other people's beliefs.  Still to this day the arguments rage about whether or not anybody knows for certain that this virus is as fatal as some would have us believe.  Many examples of data manipulation have been uncovered, further adding to the uncertainty.  Finally, the fact of the matter is that in the United States the individual does have certain unalienable rights.  They are exercising their rights and they do not ask you to give up yours.  I.e. if you stay inside your house, those protestors are of no danger to you.  Isn't that what you believe?

You premise is only valid if I never leave my home.  Once I leave for whatever valid reason, groceries, pharmaceuticals, and all of the approved reasons, I have no control where others may appear in my path.  You are telling me to stay at home because these idiots with their guns & flags and playing YMCA songs lack the discipline and good sense to follow the recommended safe regimen. When their actions affect me physically, their "unalienable rights" mean nothing to me. They are the ones who should be monitored and have movement restrictions.  I am following the protocol as set by our federal & state govts.  Restrict their movements and I'll be happy.  We both know that won't happen.  

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On 4/26/2020 at 6:24 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/tannerkahler/status/1253763907719761924

 

 

What's the size overall of these protests?  Most of the numbers I've seen are relatively small. That's not to say that a relatively small group can't have an outsized impact. So far however, I haven't seen much of a change in public opinion as measured by polling.

I suspect the net effect of this movement is going to be relatively small because most public health officials overall seem to be open to a phased reopening depending on the situation.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

31 minutes ago, William Sol said:

You premise is only valid if I never leave my home.  Once I leave for whatever valid reason, groceries, pharmaceuticals, and all of the approved reasons, I have no control where others may appear in my path.  You are telling me to stay at home because these idiots with their guns & flags and playing YMCA songs lack the discipline and good sense to follow the recommended safe regimen. When their actions affect me physically, their "unalienable rights" mean nothing to me. They are the ones who should be monitored and have movement restrictions.  I am following the protocol as set by our federal & state govts.  Restrict their movements and I'll be happy.  We both know that won't happen.  

Hmm, good points.  Good thing you'll have your mask and gloves.  And what about all those people going to the store?  You'd better have the Sheriff round them up so you can shop alone.

[M_Ali + 32]

This is a peaceful (no AK-47, Shotguns or Firearms in sight) rebellion against overreaching restrictions imposed on the working main street America by the ruling elite of the Walls Street, NOT asking for bailout or hand out but deferred payments of household debts until lock-down lifted so the working people can return to work to earn money and start repaying their dunes. The rage of common sense and sincerity of honest and hard working American people in the face of shameless WS Banksters and their serving governments and politicians. 

 

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

4 hours ago, M_Ali said:

This is a peaceful (no AK-47, Shotguns or Firearms in sight) rebellion against overreaching restrictions imposed on the working main street America by the ruling elite of the Walls Street, NOT asking for bailout or hand out but deferred payments of household debts until lock-down lifted so the working people can return to work to earn money and start repaying their dunes. The rage of common sense and sincerity of honest and hard working American people in the face of shameless WS Banksters and their serving governments and politicians. 

 

 

NOW I know what droplets from the mouth are!

(Yeah, yeah, I knew before, but this guy Vic!  Wow!  But are you gonna tell him?  Not me.  I'm sure he would tell you to focus, focus on the points he's making.)

Thanks for sharing, @M_Ali

[William Sol + 9]

On 4/27/2020 at 12:41 PM, Dan Warnick said:

Hmm, good points.  Good thing you'll have your mask and gloves.  And what about all those people going to the store?  You'd better have the Sheriff round them up so you can shop alone.

When unalienable rights trump (no pun intended) common safety it becomes unalienable idiocy.  

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

9 hours ago, William Sol said:

When unalienable rights trump (no pun intended) common safety it becomes unalienable idiocy.  

Ok, William.  I am talking about people who need to work to feed their family and pay to keep the lights on, and the heat in some places.  You act like I am talking about wanting to celebrate my rights by going to a bar and getting drunk.  I will keep speaking for those folks who live paycheck to paycheck, and you keep talking about how you don't want them to infect you.  I get it.