Pew Poll: 90% of U.S. believes China is threat.

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32 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

What? You telling me the Earth ain’t flat no more!

It has kind of rounded off over the last decade or two.  Do try to keep up.  Ha-ha!

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1 minute ago, Dan Warnick said:

It has kind of rounded off over the last decade or two.  Do try to keep up.  Ha-ha!

Probably a bit of wrinkling due to climate change.

Question 1: Assuming the Earth if flat, is it populated on both sides?

Question 2: Does the flat earth ‘flip’ every 12 hours? If not, how do we get night and day?

Question 3: How thick is the flat earth?

@Tom Kirkman Likes the flat earth discussions!

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16 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Ultimately, if the Dems take control, nuclear war would not be my main worry; large scale transitions to socialism would be.

Ehh... 

what's your take on all these Trump supported bails out ??? 

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4 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

15 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

That'll be 2 wastelands then

Thank God we're in the middle

Oh wait.....

Depends which way they are launched knothead!😂

I’m guessing the missiles will cross paths over the Pacific....not over Europe. Just a guess though.

Douglas I believe Steelers Wheel said it best in their infamous song (see lyrics below) 😂

 

Stuck In The Middle With You

Stealers Wheel

Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you

Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
And I'm wondering what it is I should do,
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, yeah, I'm all over the place,
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you

Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please, please

Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you

Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please, please

Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you,
Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
Stuck in the middle with you, here I am stuck in the middle with you

You can decide who are the "jokers" and "clowns"!

Edited April 23, 2020 by Rob Plant

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1 hour ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

Ehh... 

what's your take on all these Trump supported bails out ??? 

Not THAT kind of socialism.  BWAHAHAHA!  I actually don't agree with most bailouts (carmakers, banks/Wall Street, airlines or any others that prop up share price by buying back shares instead of value adding/investment/development, etc.).  You may have noticed that I remain silent on the oil industry bailout discussions; not my business and I am a guest on an oil industry website.  I do however believe the government should step in to help small businesses and individuals that get caught up in the mess.  As for "bailout" money for hospitals and healthcare workers, well, you see, our system of healthcare cannot be fixed, obviously, or else it would be by now.  Right?  Enough said, I don't need another black eye, I don't have good insurance!

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Probably a bit of wrinkling due to climate change.

Question 1: Assuming the Earth if flat, is it populated on both sides?

Question 2: Does the flat earth ‘flip’ every 12 hours? If not, how do we get night and day?

Question 3: How thick is the flat earth?

@Tom Kirkman Likes the flat earth discussions!

The wrinkling is due to overexposure to the Sun, hence Global Warming.

Q1: Yes, there are actually little suction cups on the bottoms of human feet.  Haven't you noticed that?  Or is it just half of us that can adhere to the bottom side?

Q2: It only flips when god deems it necessary and he has a really big spatula.

Q3. How thick is a cheap hotel room's walls?  Sometimes I think I can hear people going at it over my head.

Tom's my neighbor down here.

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Probably a bit of wrinkling due to climate change.

Question 1: Assuming the Earth if flat, is it populated on both sides?

Question 2: Does the flat earth ‘flip’ every 12 hours? If not, how do we get night and day?

Question 3: How thick is the flat earth?

@Tom Kirkman Likes the flat earth discussions!

I've moved on to Flat Sun theory.  

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

Just now, Tom Kirkman said:

I've moved on to Flat Sun theory.  

Well, I was feeling a little shaky about my "god turning the Earth with a big spatula" theory;.  Thanks, Tom!

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3 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Well, I was feeling a little shaky about my "god turning the Earth with a big spatula" theory;.  Thanks, Tom!

Trust your feelings.  Bananas are kinda hard to stir with a spatula.

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6 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Not THAT kind of socialism.  BWAHAHAHA!  I actually don't agree with most bailouts (carmakers, banks/Wall Street, airlines or any others that prop up share price by buying back shares instead of value adding/investment/development, etc.).  You may have noticed that I remain silent on the oil industry bailout discussions; not my business and I am a guest on an oil industry website.  I do however believe the government should step in to help small businesses and individuals that get caught up in the mess.  As for "bailout" money for hospitals and healthcare workers, well, you see, our system of healthcare cannot be fixed, obviously, or else it would be by now.  Right?  Enough said, I don't need another black eye, I don't have good insurance!

It was a crisis created by governments due to headless chicken behavior. It is their liability. They can fire their entire staff of bureaucrats to fund the bailouts. But it is the governments that did this, not the virus on its own, not people reacting to the virus. Just government's instinct to shut down anything that isn't them. Next quarantine there should be a law in place firing all the government health departments and removing its ability to levy fines and make arrests. They were as useful as throwing rocks at the patients. 

I would put the FED in charge of printing up all of the money lost in revenue in the economy due to the shutdowns. No exceptions. Not targeting incomes. Revenue. Show up with your previous cash register record, get the money on a 30 year loan basis at 0%. The inflation will help bring down the Debt to money supply ratio  which is still very elevated and has been causing major problems in the global economy since well before the great financial crisis. That actually caused the crisis. And it never actually stopped. 

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

It was a crisis created by governments due to headless chicken behavior. It is their liability. They can fire their entire staff of bureaucrats to fund the bailouts. But it is the governments that did this, not the virus on its own, not people reacting to the virus. Just government's instinct to shut down anything that isn't them. Next quarantine there should be a law in place firing all the government health departments and removing its ability to levy fines and make arrests. They were as useful as throwing rocks at the patients.

There is a lot of truth to that statement.

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On 4/22/2020 at 12:35 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

So....China releases a pandemic on the world....then corners the market and stockpiles PPE, then sells or gives the PPE out in an effort to garner goodwill and hopefully avoid a global backlash for killing hundreds of thousands of foreign citizens.

I wonder how many countries will ‘drink the Kool-Aid...🤔

Since the US has enough nukes to kill the world many times over stop the fear campaign. Republicans promised a nuke solution and have spent hundreds of billions. If your afraid buy a grow some b-lls kit. Lol

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On 4/22/2020 at 10:55 AM, Dan Warnick said:

...as if the Federal Government of the U.S. has not identified each and every one of them already.

That is pure Hollywood fantasy. The same way that in the movies, Mexican cartels are all-knowing and never get caught. The government is probably aware of a tiny fraction of the assets held in the US by the CCP. Who exactly, do you think is spending the tedious hours figuring this out?

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19 minutes ago, Wombat said:

Neither side can afford, but China not rational right now. They itching for a fight coz they want Taiwan back and US out of area.

 

26 minutes ago, Wombat said:

I have explained several times on this web-site why none of us can compete with China but I will do so one last time just coz you the only one who seems interested. Let say avg US factory worker salary = $60k. Gets 2% pay rise. That $1200. In Chinese Yuan, that is 8400 Yuan. Now say Chinese worker get 30,000 yuan per year. Then a whopping 10% pay rise. Just 3000 Yuan! Less than half the American worker. ie: Chinese worker becomes more competitive every year no matter what. Yuan will never re-value. It is fixed, not floating. More American industry will die each year unless China floats its currency and it goes up. Won't happen. That is why all American politicians call China "currency manipulator", and Obama did "pivot to Asia" to try scare them, but no follow thru and Trump the same.

That is not exactly how I read that economic argument. Their labor rates have been growing as the net rate of supply of labor keeps shrinking It is now half of what it was on the intake of young people and is declining with retirements. The currency is under pressure from capital flight. To an investor with options of Beijing prime real estate producing no real rent and going for 40-47 X income, the world with prime real estate of 10-20 X income looks like a terrific bargain. The pressure is on the currency to go down, not up. It is the savings rate that determines relative prices. That is what then drives exports. The  Chinese demographics drive this because of the 1 child policy, people don't have progeny to fall back on, so they have to save more for retirement. In China's case, some of the exports are driven by capital flight. Where net proceeds never repatriate and private reinvestment falls. 

China labor force

entry age population 20-24, retirement age group 50 -55 women + 60-65 men,  net additions

2010  130 mil    , 68 mil , 62 mil

2015   106 mil    . 89 mil, 17 mil

2020   78 mil    , 98 mil,  -20 mil

2025   74 mil    , 84 mil , -10 mil

They are getting old. By 2030 the median age will be 50. As bad as  E Europe and S. Europe at their worst.

The problem with getting old is that you have falling demand for goods. You have rising demand for medical and social services. These are labor intensive.  And as the retirees accumulate, their savings flows and  investments disappear. The recent years have seen a drastic shift from people buying a 1st home to people buying a 2nd or 3rd apartment. People are buying for speculation and for the grandkid's generation. This is a sign of market saturation. 

The migrant industrial labor population that lives in Dorms throughout the industrial cities of the coast 290 mil last year. However, while the vast majority were migrating to the Eastern manufacturing hubs, more of them are migrating within their Western and Central provinces, so that the migrant workers are only 55% at the coasts vs. 80% in 2010. Or 160 mil, vs. 190 mil in 2010 (down 15%). Avg. age is now over 35 for coastal migrants vs. 45 for inland migrants. Average ages are up 6 years from about 29 and 39 respectively. Most of the current generation will stop going to coastal dorm factories as they get older. But the big deal is the declining inflow of young workers.  Their pay is about $8000 per year in manufacturing and logistics. 

The under 30 migrant population in the coastal region was 86 mil in 2010, 44 mil last year. That is why business folks have been jumping ship from China for some years. Flextronics will have a problem staffing its factories with dorm dwellers. Within 5 years they may have a problem producing for export there at all, only producing for local markets in China will be possible. 

https://clb.org.hk/content/migrant-workers-and-their-children

That is why I don't think your explanation holds water any longer. It was true into 2010. It was relatively correct to 2015, it is wrong today. It will be entirely misleading going forward. 

 

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47 minutes ago, TooSteep said:

That is pure Hollywood fantasy. The same way that in the movies, Mexican cartels are all-knowing and never get caught. The government is probably aware of a tiny fraction of the assets held in the US by the CCP. Who exactly, do you think is spending the tedious hours figuring this out?

Well, what is the massive intelligence apparatus for then, if not things like this?  Why do you think they are not putting in the tedious hours figuring this out?

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6 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

The under 30 migrant population in the coastal region was 86 mil in 2010, 44 mil last year. That is why business folks have been jumping ship from China for some years. Flextronics will have a problem staffing its factories with dorm dwellers. Within 5 years they may have a problem producing for export there at all, only producing for local markets in China will be possible. 

This is very true. Thus the drive for automation, not just in China, but everywhere in the West. We've gone decades with minimal growth in productivity and our (and China's) workforce is smaller as a percentage of the overall population than ever before. And shrinking rapidly. 

The US, Canada, and the UK have up until now been able to offset this with immigration and outsourcing. These keep wages low and goods flowing but also sacrifice innovation around productivity gains. They are an MBA's dream, not an inventor's.

China has been desperately trying to grow rich enough to support an aging population. They will continue to focus on these internal problems. 

This pandemic and the resulting economic shock that has hit us could put us in the same dire straights as China. It's certainly going to change the way we understand economics. 

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34 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

 

That is not exactly how I read that economic argument. Their labor rates have been growing as the net rate of supply of labor keeps shrinking It is now half of what it was on the intake of young people and is declining with retirements. The currency is under pressure from capital flight. To an investor with options of Beijing prime real estate producing no real rent and going for 40-47 X income, the world with prime real estate of 10-20 X income looks like a terrific bargain. The pressure is on the currency to go down, not up. It is the savings rate that determines relative prices. That is what then drives exports. The  Chinese demographics drive this because of the 1 child policy, people don't have progeny to fall back on, so they have to save more for retirement. In China's case, some of the exports are driven by capital flight. Where net proceeds never repatriate and private reinvestment falls. 

China labor force

entry age population 20-24, retirement age group 50 -55 women + 60-65 men,  net additions

2010  130 mil    , 68 mil , 62 mil

2015   106 mil    . 89 mil, 17 mil

2020   78 mil    , 98 mil,  -20 mil

2025   74 mil    , 84 mil , -10 mil

They are getting old. By 2030 the median age will be 50. As bad as  E Europe and S. Europe at their worst.

The problem with getting old is that you have falling demand for goods. You have rising demand for medical and social services. These are labor intensive.  And as the retirees accumulate, their savings flows and  investments disappear. The recent years have seen a drastic shift from people buying a 1st home to people buying a 2nd or 3rd apartment. People are buying for speculation and for the grandkid's generation. This is a sign of market saturation. 

The migrant industrial labor population that lives in Dorms throughout the industrial cities of the coast 290 mil last year. However, while the vast majority were migrating to the Eastern manufacturing hubs, more of them are migrating within their Western and Central provinces, so that the migrant workers are only 55% at the coasts vs. 80% in 2010. Or 160 mil, vs. 190 mil in 2010 (down 15%). Avg. age is now over 35 for coastal migrants vs. 45 for inland migrants. Average ages are up 6 years from about 29 and 39 respectively. Most of the current generation will stop going to coastal dorm factories as they get older. But the big deal is the declining inflow of young workers.  Their pay is about $8000 per year in manufacturing and logistics. 

The under 30 migrant population in the coastal region was 86 mil in 2010, 44 mil last year. That is why business folks have been jumping ship from China for some years. Flextronics will have a problem staffing its factories with dorm dwellers. Within 5 years they may have a problem producing for export there at all, only producing for local markets in China will be possible. 

https://clb.org.hk/content/migrant-workers-and-their-children

That is why I don't think your explanation holds water any longer. It was true into 2010. It was relatively correct to 2015, it is wrong today. It will be entirely misleading going forward. 

 

Along with the reality that China isn't getting more efficient like everyone assumes, they're getting less efficient. Their ROI is worse by the year. 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Strangelovesurfing

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On 4/22/2020 at 12:14 PM, Wombat said:

Guess what? That is the same everywhere! Only difference is, China does not have mass unemployment or huge current acct deficit like most of us Western countries.

Not yet, wait till all those factories close down to reopen somewhere else...

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6 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Along with the reality that China isn't getting more efficient like everyone assumes they're getting less efficient and their ROI is worse and worse every year.

The horror show of Chinese return on investment and productivity stats is not news. But it has gotten so much worse it appears that the numbers are negative. Meaning that massive infrastructure produces no marginal benefit anywhere near its costs. Turns out that Airport #6 for the Shanghai area and its bullet train service to downtown didn't make air travel increase any. 

While I did have an idea of a large portion of the Chinese industrial output being essentially disposed rather than sold, I never imagined that would come to 1/3 of China's industrial output making its way to the equivalent of the Mariana Trench. 

https://gnseconomics.com/2019/02/17/the-failing-engines-of-global-growth/

The situation actually got worse in 2018 and 2019 in China. 

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20 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

The horror show of Chinese return on investment and productivity stats is not news. But it has gotten so much worse it appears that the numbers are negative. Meaning that massive infrastructure produces no marginal benefit anywhere near its costs. Turns out that Airport #6 for the Shanghai area and its bullet train service to downtown didn't make air travel increase any. 

While I did have an idea of a large portion of the Chinese industrial output being essentially disposed rather than sold, I never imagined that would come to 1/3 of China's industrial output making its way to the equivalent of the Mariana Trench. 

https://gnseconomics.com/2019/02/17/the-failing-engines-of-global-growth/

The situation actually got worse in 2018 and 2019 in China. 

Clearly a lot of misinvestment and overcapacity in many sectors & infrastructure.

I think the more interesting question is whether they can successfully leave those traps and move on up the value added chain.

The current industrial policy definitely focuses on moving up the value chain.

The 2015-2025 policy. We're about half way through.

Clearly, in some fields, China made inroads, in others, they're well behind say, South Korea, Germany, or the US. The question is whether they can do it quickly enough at the massive scale that China is. China really is more like 5 different economies at different stages of development.

 

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If something unpleasant happens in America, 2 narratives currently dominate

Republicans - BLAME China  

Democrats BLAME Russia

And the truth is that all those who blame China for the spread of the coronavirus are obviously a little right because as in the case of SARS China was hiding the epidemic. Then it was more deadly so the problem was basically only in Asia.

But I just advise you to think about what Western countries have done at least from half if not the beginning of January when it was already known that there was an epidemic in China until the beginning of March when the epidemic affected Western countries.

These were two key months and Western countries proved to be totally unprepared for the epidemic.

And for this you can no longer blame China or Russia but your own rulers.

As I generally support Trump's policy, it must be honestly said that the Trump administration has failed.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Tomasz

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31 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

If something unpleasant happens in America, 2 narratives currently dominate

Republicans - BLAME China  

Democrats BLAME Russia

And the truth is that all those who blame China for the spread of the coronavirus are obviously a little right because as in the case of SARS China was hiding the epidemic. Then it was more deadly so the problem was basically only in Asia.

But I just advise you to think about what Western countries have done at least from half if not the beginning of January when it was already known that there was an epidemic in China until the beginning of March when the epidemic affected Western countries.

These were two key months and Western countries proved to be totally unprepared for the epidemic.

And for this you can no longer blame China or Russia but your own rulers.

As I generally support Trump's policy, it must be honestly said that the Trump administration has failed.

Could you enlighten that statement a smidge?...There are times i just shake my head with some of the statements made across the media spectrum. Testing is one of those thoughts with absolutely no forethought or experience in implementing such a task.

In this magic world we live in let us assume there was a test available....And this test could be given and also provide results within 15 minutes..Ok time for the math wizards how many human hours would it take to test 300 million people.

Lets say there are 20 test locations in every state....manned by some blue sky number...say 20 per location...

Then let us going thru the vetting process for those actually hired for that process....and then there is the time line to hire and train these new hires..

Opp i forget to mention the need to change Hipaa laws, Hipaa prevents any health disclosures so one needs to change those laws...i can see a democratic party being quite compliant to such changes...the government would know us all...along with the undocumented immigrants in the US..

LMAO the above is just off the cuff...It would be logistically impossible to pull off such a event...And yet the cry of Lack Of Testing...Yes Trump has failed

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Could you enlighten that statement a smidge?...There are times i just shake my head with some of the statements made across the media spectrum. Testing is one of those thoughts with absolutely no forethought or experience in implementing such a task.

In this magic world we live in let us assume there was a test available....And this test could be given and also provide results within 15 minutes..Ok time for the math wizards how many human hours would it take to test 300 million people.

Lets say there are 20 test locations in every state....manned by some blue sky number...say 20 per location...

Then let us going thru the vetting process for those actually hired for that process....and then there is the time line to hire and train these new hires..

Opp i forget to mention the need to change Hipaa laws, Hipaa prevents any health disclosures so one needs to change those laws...i can see a democratic party being quite compliant to such changes...the government would know us all...along with the undocumented immigrants in the US..

LMAO the above is just off the cuff...It would be logistically impossible to pull off such a event...And yet the cry of Lack Of Testing...Yes Trump has failed

 

 

Actually you opened my mind to a lot of understanding, I think I finally get it.

United States got decisive information about Covid-19 on 22nd of January 2020 when Hubei lockdown was imposed. Much earlier reports by CIA dating back from December 2019 were probably dismissed, never the less they could not be the basis for decisive actions like lockdowns or travel bans. Only when Chinese government started brutal crackdown on the virus, US authorities could react cause US public was concerned.

The country does not have procedures and medical infrastructure to deal with epidemic like covid. East Asian countries are different cause they had SARS so they are prepared for this contingency.

United States is a democracy with  a lot of checks and balances, this makes US political system so efficient and reiventing itself during the last 200 years.

But in this political system everything takes time. And this is its weakness in a  unusual situation that needs fast actions like this epidemic.

Country had less than 2 months to react and prepare for epidemic and this was not enough.

Main lesson learned is there should be possibility in the future to act in a faster way if similar contingency with occur. For example US President should have powers to directly streamline creation of medical infrastructure through some Kind of state of emergency when he could order CDC with the help of military medical corps to provide massive number of tests in the fastest way possible.

The fault of the Chinese government is the initial cover up, but on the other hand it would be difficult to imagine any other outcome from any government.

Guys enlighten me what would US government do if Covid started in Milwaukee , during flu season. A few doctors would try to get attention that it is more lethal and dangerous than usual flu. How they would be treated in US ? CDC would start investigation ? 
This could give US another month, in total 3 months .

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2 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

Actually you opened my mind to a lot of understanding, I think I finally get it.

United States got decisive information about Covid-19 on 22nd of January 2020 when Hubei lockdown was imposed. Much earlier reports by CIA dating back from December 2019 were probably dismissed, never the less they could not be the basis for decisive actions like lockdowns or travel bans. Only when Chinese government started brutal crackdown on the virus, US authorities could react cause US public was concerned.

The country does not have procedures and medical infrastructure to deal with epidemic like covid. East Asian countries are different cause they had SARS so they are prepared for this contingency.

United States is a democracy with  a lot of checks and balances, this makes US political system so efficient and reiventing itself during the last 200 years.

But in this political system everything takes time. And this is its weakness in a  unusual situation that needs fast actions like this epidemic.

Country had less than 2 months to react and prepare for epidemic and this was not enough.

Main lesson learned is there should be possibility in the future to act in a faster way if similar contingency with occur. For example US President should have powers to directly streamline creation of medical infrastructure through some Kind of state of emergency when he could order CDC with the help of military medical corps to provide massive number of tests in the fastest way possible.

The fault of the Chinese government is the initial cover up, but on the other hand it would be difficult to imagine any other outcome from any government.

Guys enlighten me what would US government do if Covid started in Milwaukee , during flu season. A few doctors would try to get attention that it is more lethal and dangerous than usual flu. How they would be treated in US ? CDC would start investigation ? 
This could give US another month, in total 3 months .

This was different, the failing was in the CDC and FDA that were doing their best to keep tests off the market and out of doctor's hands. They were lying to the Administration. When it was revealed Trump came on them like a big foot and squashed their little regulatory fiefdoms and senseless prohibitions. 

But the second big mistake was not containing other flights from coming in where Chinese travelers  had large contact pools. 

The cover up continued to have an impact on the Administration as its "experts" fell in line with the WHO recommendations and analysis. They would have had to break away from authoritative voices of their profession in order to give useful advice. In order to say what should have been obvious, they would have had to call their Chinese and WHO colleagues liars and ascribe malicious motive to these people they know personally. 

 

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On 4/23/2020 at 10:37 AM, Old-Ruffneck said:

@Dan Warnick

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-nuclear-weapons/

• Russia, 6,850 nuclear warheads
• The United States of America, 6,185 nuclear warheads
• France, 300 nuclear warheads
• China, 280 nuclear warheads <------------------------------------ now to figure out if fusion or fission and payload.
• The United Kingdom, 215 nuclear warheads
• Pakistan, 145 nuclear warheads
• India, 135 nuclear warheads
• Israel, 80 nuclear warheads
• North Korea, 15 nuclear warheads

I hope u don't believe in the tooth fairy? Last I heard, Israel had 200 nukes, and that was 15 years ago, so I guess u can multiply China figure by 20?