Dan Warnick + 6,100 May 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said: Oh well.... I thought you were using your real name. Obviously I don’t watch much TV...😂 You probably weren't even on the right continent! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Profit + 46 May 20, 2020 19 hours ago, El Nikko said: More censorship This isn't censorship. Youtube blocks video for many reasons.. Pedophily, copyright infrigement, racial hate, medical misinformation.. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785 They don't have to tolerate any content you want them to host.. If you don't like their policies go elsewhere. If I come accross videos like this I report them. Medical minsinformation is a nuisance. Attacking and undermining freedom of the press, designating journalists as "enemy of the people", incitating schocatisc terrorism. These things have much more to do with censorship.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb May 20, 2020 Care home boss says she was threatened with police action if she did not take in hospital patient Susan Mckinney says home had contacted hospital to say: 'We can't accept this person back – we need them tested.' By Gabriella Swerling, Social Affairs Editor 20 May 2020 • 2:58pm A care home owner has revealed that she was threatened with police action if she refused to take in a patient who had been discharged from hospital without a coronavirus test. Care professionals fear the sector is on the brink of collapse and have repeatedly claimed in recent weeks that they have been forced to take in patients who have been discharged from hospital despite not knowing whether they had the virus. Susan Mckinney, who runs 14 homes across the north-east, has said she was threatened with police action if she failed to accept a recently discharged patient into a care home in an incident she said felt like "emotional blackmail". Ms Mckinney told BBC Radio 4's File on Four documentary that she had been given little choice but to comply. She said: "We had an incident on April 10 where twice we rang the hospital saying: 'We can't accept this person back – we need them tested, we need a negative test so we know what we're dealing with.'" However, the patient was brought to the home in an ambulance and paramedics were "quite aggressive" and "refused to go away", leading to "a stand-off at the door". "Bringing a resident on a stretcher to the door felt like emotional blackmail," she said. "And all we got was: 'You're not following the guidelines' … We were threatened with the police if we did not let this person in." The manager said she felt forced to accept the female resident back into the home and put her in self-isolation for 14 days. The ambulance was from Gateshead Health NHS Foundation Trust, which said it could not comment on individual cases but stressed that it has been following Government guidelines and will continue to deliver a high level of care and support to patients in care homes. The case comes after The Telegraph reported last week that another care home boss claimed he had to accept two patients who had recently been discharged from hospital, only one of whom had been tested for coronavirus. David Crabtree, who manages two homes in Bingley, Yorkshire, said that "without a shadow of a doubt" residents had died from coronavirus after he reluctantly took the patients in. Mr Crabtree said the hospital's actions were in line with Government guidance at the time, but he had refused to take in someone who had possibly been infected. He claimed the hospital threatened to report him to social services if he maintained his stance. "There were pressures to take in people who hadn't been tested," he said, and later took the patients in. "Within three days, both had a fever. Within 10 days, both had died." According to the latest figures from the Office for National Statistics, almost 15,000 care residents are estimated to have died of Covid-19. Giving evidence to the health and social care select committee hearing on Tuesday, Professor Martin Green OBE, the chief executive of Care England, which represents care home businesses, said ministers had been preoccupied with protecting the NHS and had failed to put care homes on an equal footing. He criticised the discharge of patients to homes, saying those who either "didn't have a Covid-19 status or were symptomatic were discharged into care homes" full of people with underlying health conditions. The Department for Health and Social Care has been contacted for comment. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 21, 2020 Comment copied in full from an anon board. ================================= I'll just leave this right here. From the beginning of this pandemic there were conspiracy theories and most or all seemed pretty stupid. I like a conspiracy as much as anyone but I’m not going to jump on a crazy train. However in the past week or two I have more and more unanswered questions. We’ve seen handfuls of YouTube videos and interviews with doctors that strongly contradict what we are being told. Are all of these doctors wrong? Hmmm. Well here is a list of questions (not mine) to compliment my own questions- and #29 bothers me the most. I don’t trust that guy, something’s very fishy about him. Also #23 Everyone should be asking these questions! 👇🏼 These are the important questions folks need to be asking themselves: 1. Why can you go to Walmart but not Kohl's? 2. Why the Dollar store and not a mom-and-pop shop? 3. Why can't you have an elective surgery, but you can have an abortion which is elective? 4. Why should you stay inside but yet heat and sunlight kill the virus? 5. Why can't kids (who are not at risk) play on an outdoor playground, where sun kills this virus? 6. Why don't people know that these are "recommendations" not laws because they have not gone through due process? 7. Why is it okay for government officials to get a haircut, but not common citizens? 8. Why the fear, when this virus has a less than 1% death rate? 9. Why have coroners questioned death certificates listed as CV-19? 10. Why are areas like Chicago and NY gearing up for mass vaccination? 11. What makes one person essential and another not? 12. Doesn't shelter at home; mean there is a whole population of people, not staying home so we can? 13. Why are they dividing us? 14. How do people not know that we are a Republic, not a democracy? 15. Where has the flu gone? 16. Why do the homeless consistently demonstrate the lowest infection rates? 17. Why are they telling us to mask up after 2 months of lockdown? 18. Why is the CDC saying kids need to be masked when they return to school or attend church, when they know cloth masks restrict oxygen? 19. What is this oppression and loss of liberty doing to the mental health of our kids and to us? 20. Why have most other death rates dropped since the virus? 21. Why did world leaders meet in China in October 2019? 22. Why are the common people being controlled by the government and no one is controlling the government? 23. Why are hospitals paid more for Covid 19 deaths? 24. Why are some doctors speaking out and then getting silenced? 25. Why did Obama give the Wuhan lab $334 million dollars? 26. What does a computer geek have to do with a pandemic and why does he want 7 billion corona virus vaccines? 27. Why ID 2020, Agenda 21 and 2030? 28. Why did the CDC have a job posting for pandemic relief workers in November 2019? 29. Why did Dr. Fauci say in 2017 that the Trump administration would be faced with a " SURPRISE PANDEMIC " and then runs the pandemic team? 30. Why are they infringing on Christian's religious freedoms? 31. Why can 500 people shop at Menards or Home Depot, but we are not allowed to go into a church building? I don't care if you’re Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or vote for unicorns, if you're not asking these questions you should be. 3 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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El Nikko + 2,145 nb May 21, 2020 ‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’ Epidemiologist Knut Wittkowski on the deadly consequences of lockdown. spiked 15th May 2020 Topics Politics Science & Tech UK USA World Governments around the world say they are following ‘The Science’ with their draconian measures to stem the spread of the virus. But the science around Covid-19 is bitterly contested. Many experts have serious doubts about the effectiveness of the measures, and argue that our outsized fears of Covid-19 are not justified. Knut Wittkowski is one such expert who has long argued for a change of course. For 20 years, Wittkowski was the head of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University’s Center for Clinical and Translational Science. spiked spoke to him to find out more about the pandemic. spiked: Is Covid-19 dangerous? Knut Wittkowski: No, unless you have age-related severe comorbidities. So if you are in a nursing home because you cannot live by yourself anymore, then getting infected is dangerous. We had the other extreme in Switzerland, which was hit pretty hard. There was one child that died. People believed that this child was born in 2011. In fact, it was born in 1911, and that was the only child that died. It was a mere coding error. Somebody with the age 108 was coded as aged eight. spiked: How far along is the epidemic? Wittkowski: It is over in China. It is over in South Korea. It is substantially down in most of Europe and down a bit everywhere, even in the UK. The UK and Belarus are latecomers, so you do not see exactly what you are seeing in continental Europe. But everywhere in Europe, the number of cases is substantially declining. spiked: Have our interventions made much of an impact? Wittkowski: When the whole thing started, there was one reason given for the lockdown and that was to prevent hospitals from becoming overloaded. There is no indication that hospitals could ever have become overloaded, irrespective of what we did. So we could open up again, and forget the whole thing. I hope the intervention did not have too much of an impact because it most likely made the situation worse. The intervention was to ‘flatten the curve’. That means that there would be the same number of cases but spread out over a longer period of time, because otherwise the hospitals would not have enough capacity. Now, as we know, children and young adults do not end up in hospitals. It is only those who are both elderly and have comorbidities that do. Therefore you have to protect the elderly and the nursing homes. The ideal approach would be to simply shut the door of the nursing homes and keep the personnel and the elderly locked in for a certain amount of time, and pay the staff overtime to stay there for 24 hours per day. How long can you do that for? For three weeks, that is possible. For 18 months, it is not. The flattening of the curve, the prolongation of the epidemic, makes it more difficult to protect the elderly, who are at risk. More of the elderly people become infected, and we have more deaths. spiked: What are the dangers of lockdown? Wittkowski: Firstly, we have the direct consequences: suicides, domestic violence and other social consequences leading to death. And then we have people who are too scared to go to the hospitals for other problems like strokes or heart attacks. So people stay away from hospitals because of the Covid fear. And then they die. spiked: Were hospitals likely to be overrun? Wittkowski: Germany had 8,000 deaths in a population of 85million. They had 20,000 to 30,000 hospitalisations. In Germany, that is nothing. It does not even show up as a blip in the hospital statistics. In Britain, the highest hospital utilisation was about 60 per cent, if I am not mistaken. In New York City, it was a bit higher. The Javits Congress Center was turned into a field hospital with 3,000 beds. It treated just 1,000 patients in all. The Navy ship sent to New York by President Trump had 179 patients but it was sent back because it was not needed. New York is the epicenter of the epidemic in the United States, and even here at the epicenter, hospital utilisation was only up a bit. Nothing dramatic. Nothing out of the ordinary. That is what happens during the flu season. People have the flu, and then there are more patients in the hospitals than there otherwise would be. spiked: Are we on the way to reaching herd immunity? Wittkowski: All the studies that have been done have shown that we already have at least 25 per cent of the population who are immune. That gives us a nice cushion. If 25 per cent of the population are already immune, we are very quickly getting to the 50 per cent that we need to have what is called herd immunity. We will actually get a bit higher than that. So we have flattened what otherwise would have been a peak, and if we now let it run, even if the number of cases would increase a bit, it would not get as high as it was, because we already have enough immune people in the population. So it is not going to spread as fast as it could have spread in the beginning. spiked: Should we worry about a second spike? Wittkowski: This is an invention to justify a policy that politicians are afraid of reversing. spiked: Should people practice social distancing? Wittkowski: No. spiked: Why not? Wittkowski: Why? What is the justification for that? People need to ask the government for an explanation. The government is restricting freedom. You do not have to ask me for justification. There is no justification. It is the government that has to justify what it is doing. Sorry, but that is how it is. spiked: How did we get this so wrong? Wittkowski: Governments did not have an open discussion, including economists, biologists and epidemiologists, to hear different voices. In Britain, it was the voice of one person – Neil Ferguson – who has a history of coming up with projections that are a bit odd. The government did not convene a meeting with people who have different ideas, different projections, to discuss his projection. If it had done that, it could have seen where the fundamental flaw was in the so-called models used by Neil Ferguson. His paper was published eventually, in medRxiv. The assumption was that one per cent of all people who became infected would die. There is no justification anywhere for that. Let us say the epidemic runs with a basic reproduction rate of around two. Eventually 80 per cent of the population will be immune, because they have been infected at some point in time. Eighty per cent of the British population would be something like 50million. One per cent of them dying is 500,000. That is where Ferguson’s number came from. But we knew from the very beginning that neither in Wuhan nor in South Korea did one per cent of all people infected die. South Korea has 60million people. It is about the same size as the UK. How many deaths were in South Korea? Did they shut down? No. The South Korean government was extremely proud to have resisted pressure to drop the very basic concepts of democracy. The epidemic in South Korea was over by March, the number of cases was down by 13 March. In Wuhan they also did not shut down the economy. Wuhan had restricted travel out of the city. They stopped train services and blocked the roads. They did not restrict anything social within the city until very late. We have seen, then, in Wuhan and South Korea, if you do not do anything, the epidemic is over in three weeks. Knowing that the epidemic would be over in three weeks, and the number of people dying would be minor, just like a normal flu, the governments started shutting down in mid-March. Why? Because somebody pulled it out of his head that one per cent of all infected would die. One could argue that maybe one per cent of all cases would die. But one per cent of all people infected does not make any sense. And we had that evidence by mid-March. spiked: Just to clarify, cases are different from people infected? Wittkowski: Cases means people who have symptoms that are serious enough for them to go to a hospital or get treated. Most people have no symptoms at all. But waking up with a sore throat one day is not a case. A case means that someone showed up in a hospital. spiked: The UK government was also heavily influenced by the situation in Italy. Why did that go so wrong? Wittkowski: What we saw in Italy was that the virus was hitting those who were both old and had comorbidities, so lots of people died. But the median age of those who died in Italy was around 81 years. It is not that children or working people were dying. It was the elderly in nursing homes – not even the elderly living by themselves mostly. We saw lots of deaths and that scared people. But then, Italy did an illogical thing. It closed schools so that the schoolchildren were isolated and did not get infected and did not become immune. Instead, the virus spread almost exclusively among the old, causing more deaths and a higher utilisation of hospitals. And that is mind-boggling. Very early on, we knew from China and we knew from South Korea that this is an epidemic that runs its course, and there was nothing special about it. But when it hit Italy, we stopped thinking about it as an age-stratified problem, and instead lumped everyone all together. The idea that if we did not shut down the schools the hospitals would have been overwhelmed does not make any sense. I frankly still cannot fully understand how our governments can be so stupid. spiked: Governments say they are following the science. Is that really true? Wittkowski: They have the scientists on their side that depend on government funding. One scientist in Germany just got $500million from the government, because he always says what the government wants to hear. Scientists are in a very strange situation. They now depend on government funding, which is a trend that has developed over the past 40 years. Before that, when you were a professor at a university, you had your salary and you had your freedom. Now, the university gives you a desk and access to the library. And then you have to ask for government money and write grant applications. If you are known to criticise the government, what does that do to your chance of getting funded? It creates a huge conflict of interest. The people who are speaking out in Germany and Switzerland are all independent of government money because they are retired. spiked: Did the Swedish scientists get it right? Wittkowski: Sweden did the right thing. And they had to take a lot of heat for it. Now compare Sweden and the UK. The only difference is that Sweden did fine. They did have a problem. They had a relatively high number of deaths among the nursing homes.They decided to keep society open and they forgot to close nursing homes. Remarkably, the politicians acknowledged that it was a mistake to extend that open concept to nursing homes. The nursing homes should have been isolated to protect the elderly who are at high risk. But I think the Swedish government is doing well to even acknowledge that mistake. The first death in the United States was in a nursing home in Seattle. And that was by the end of February. So everybody knew that we were expecting the same thing that we had seen in Italy – an epidemic that hits the elderly. But until just this week in New York State, the government told the nursing homes that if they did not take in patients from hospitals, they would lose their funding. So they would have to import the virus from the hospitals. One third of all deaths in New York State were in nursing homes. One could have prevented 20,000 deaths in the United States by just isolating the nursing homes. After three or four weeks, they could have reopened and everybody would be happy. That would have been a reasonable strategy. But shutting down schools, driving the economy against the wall – there was no reason for it. The only reason that this nonsense now goes on and on, and people are inventing things like this ‘second wave’, which is going to force us to change society and never live again, is that the politicians are afraid of admitting an error. spiked: Is this easier to see in hindsight? Wittkowski: What I am talking about is not hindsight. The epidemics in Wuhan and South Korea were over in mid-March. In March, I submitted a paper to medRxiv, summarising all of that. At least towards the end of March, the data was there, and everybody who wanted to learn from it could. On 17 April, Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, presented data at the coronavirus presidential briefing at the White House. And there was one plot that he presented. And I looked at it and asked why people were not jumping to their feet. Why were people not understanding what they were looking at? The plot was the data from the ILINet. For 15 years, hospitals have counted every person who shows up with an influenza-like illness – fever, coughing, whatever. There were three spikes in the 2019-2020 flu season. The first was in late December – influenza B. The next was in late January – an influenza A epidemic. And then there was one that had a peak in hospital visits around 8 March – Covid-19. For the peak to happen on that day, those patients have to go through a seven-day incubation period and then have symptoms. But they do not go to the hospital with the first symptoms. If it gets worse over three days, only then do they go to a hospital. Four weeks later, on 8 April, the number of new infections was already down. In time for Easter, our governments should have acknowledged they were overly cautious. People would have accepted that. Two weeks’ shutdown would not have been the end of the world. We would not have what we have now – 30million people unemployed in the United States, for example. Companies do not go bankrupt over a two-week period. Two months is a very different story. If you have to pay rent for two months for a restaurant in New York with no income, you will go bankrupt. We see unemployment, we see bankruptcies, we see a lot of money wasted for economic-rescue packages – trillions of dollars in the United States. We see more deaths and illness than we would otherwise have had. And it is going on and on and on, just because governments are afraid of admitting an error. They are trying to find excuses. They say they have to do things slowly, and that they have ‘avoided 500,000 deaths’ in the UK. But that was an absurd number that had no justification. The person presenting it pretended it was based on a model. It was not a model. It was the number of one per cent of all people infected dying. And nobody was questioning it. And that is the basic problem. spiked: People will say that the interventions in South Korea – like contact tracing – were more effective. Wittkowski: How many orders of magnitude, take us from 500,000 to 256, the number of deaths in South Korea? To have that kind of effect you would have to put everybody in the UK into a negative pressure room. It is totally unrealistic to even consider a reduction from 500,000 to 256. Knut Wittkowski was talking to Fraser Myers. https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/15/we-could-open-up-again-and-forget-the-whole-thing/ 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb May 21, 2020 Swine flu epidemic, look at how quickly the peak was reached. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 21, 2020 Thought exercise. The quote below is from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services website. Try substituting the word "Flu" with "Covid-19" https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc CDC — INFLUENZA DEATHS: REQUEST FOR CORRECTION (RFC) "US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during flu seasons." ============================== Here, let me do it for you. Re-read this with Covid-19 substituted for Flu. CDC — COVID-19 DEATHS: REQUEST FOR CORRECTION (RFC) "US data on Covid-19 deaths are false and misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between Covid-19 death and Covid-19 associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during Covid-19 seasons." =========================== Also, you may wish to read the entire posting on the U.S. HHS website, and not just the first paragraph. It's pretty damning. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said: Thought exercise. The quote below is from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services website. Try substituting the word "Flu" with "Covid-19" https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc CDC — INFLUENZA DEATHS: REQUEST FOR CORRECTION (RFC) "US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during flu seasons." ============================== Here, let me do it for you. Re-read this with Covid-19 substituted for Flu. CDC — COVID-19 DEATHS: REQUEST FOR CORRECTION (RFC) "US data on Covid-19 deaths are false and misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between Covid-19 death and Covid-19 associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts "predict dire outcomes" during Covid-19 seasons." =========================== Also, you may wish to read the entire posting on the U.S. HHS website, and not just the first paragraph. It's pretty damning. "Cause of death" is a difficult area. Do you think anyone dies from suicide? By the above logic nobody does. We should relist all suicides as "gunshot wound, poisoning, fall from building, etc." Covid-related, or Covid directly... does it really matter? People are dying. Doctors have better things to do than argue about semantics. Heck, just put "cardiac arrest" as the cause of death on every certificate..like obviously their heart stopped. Edited May 21, 2020 by Enthalpic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 May 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Enthalpic said: "Cause of death" is a difficult area. Do you think anyone dies from suicide? By the above logic nobody does. We should relist all suicides as "gunshot wound, poisoning, fall from building, etc." Covid-related, or Covid directly... does it really matter? People are dying. Doctors have better things to do than argue about semantics. Heck, just put "cardiac arrest" as the cause of death on every certificate..like obviously their heart stopped. That is the common practice, does not mean it is the right one to follow. Mostly it is because the Cause of Death slot is filled with varying accuracy and detail. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Profit + 46 May 22, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said: Thought exercise. The quote below is from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services website. This is a quote from Kenneth Stoller, pediatrician and president of International Hyperbaric Medical Association. Not an official statement from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Service. Not endorsed in anyway by this agency. I have to say that because conspirationists are lazy minds and when reading what you wrote will think that this was somehow an official statement from the agency.. Edited May 22, 2020 by Jim Profit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Profit + 46 May 22, 2020 Roughly half of the Twitter accounts pushing to 'reopen America' are bots, researchers found https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/nearly-half-of-reopen-america-twitter-accounts-are-bots-report-2020-5 Who is behind these bots ? We already knew that Brian Kemp was misleading georgians... That's like dishonest people are not who you think. Maybe you were conned.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 23, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 8:33 AM, nstoika said: It's clear that nothing adds up with this "TV show". I learn a few things about USA and Media, they are there to divide us, but ANYTIME CNN/FOX/MSNBC...FEED THE SAME NARRATIVE special attention is need it because the fundaments of USA society or constitution are bypassed during this rare media synchronization. I will remind a few of this rare event Waco TX WMD in Iraq I can only speculate what's the reason for this "Covid TV show" media synchronization but will be interesting to learn WHAT IS THE TARGET. Yes, Fox News is controlled opposition. I have said this before repeatedly. You are correct in your observation that when all of the MSM (including Fox, the controlled opposition) all spout the same rhetoric, critical thinking skills are needed to see what the heck is actually going on. Agencies In The Media ... State Dept. and Defense Dept. embeds primarily operate through CNN. CIA embeds primarily operate through The Washington Post. FBI embeds primarily work through The New York Times; and Politico carries a blend. Fox is the controlled opposition. Researchers who travel the deep weeds of U.S. politics have noted this very predictable pattern has been very visible for well over two decades. ... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TooSteep + 142 IS May 23, 2020 "16. Why do the homeless consistently demonstrate the lowest infection rates?" This is a question every scientist and health expert should be asking themselves. 147 out of 403 tested positive after being temporarily moved indoors into a shelter. So they did get infected - it spread like wildfire within the shelter. Which is what the paper is actually about. 15 of them had very mild symptoms, and none ever really got 'sick'. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20059618v1.full.pdf+html This was more harmless than the common cold to this particular population. Why? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Profit + 46 May 23, 2020 In a tearful speech, Gov. Doug Burgum (R-ND) asks residents to skip the “ideological and political” debate on face masks. https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1263967145454690305 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralfy + 55 May 24, 2020 "‘It’s something I have never seen’: How the Covid-19 virus hijacks cells" Quote A deep dive into how the new coronavirus infects cells has found that it orchestrates a hostile takeover of their genes unlike any other known viruses do, producing what one leading scientist calls “unique” and “aberrant” changes. Recent studies show that in seizing control of genes in the human cells it invades, the virus changes how segments of DNA are read, doing so in a way that might explain why the elderly are more likely to die of Covid-19 and why antiviral drugs might not only save sick patients’ lives but also prevent severe disease if taken before infection. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Physics Prof. + 5 RA May 24, 2020 Shameless transparent distortion of Fouci quote. did you think we wouldn't notice? Where is the editor ? Fouci said as you quote right there ! WORST CASE models don't come to pass. You immediately restate it as MODEL PREDICTIONS don't come to pass, leaving out that wee caveat. Hardly worth correcting such terrible reporting. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Regan + 1,776 May 24, 2020 On 5/4/2020 at 12:56 AM, ronwagn said: Spewing left wing globalist propaganda with racism added is not helpful or valid. America has better results than Europe. Far better if you don't count the left wing NYC megalopolis. Why? Come to Brasil and have a look around, and see who's dead or dying in the hospitals, its aint white folks. Spewing Left Wing Propaganda is a correct statement, but you guys have evolved. Wasn't so long ago the USA was a hotbed, you have evolved. Brasil is about to be wiped out by a right wing idiot. Just for the memories can't beat a bit of Bob D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 24, 2020 9 hours ago, TooSteep said: "16. Why do the homeless consistently demonstrate the lowest infection rates?" This is a question every scientist and health expert should be asking themselves. 147 out of 403 tested positive after being temporarily moved indoors into a shelter. So they did get infected - it spread like wildfire within the shelter. Which is what the paper is actually about. 15 of them had very mild symptoms, and none ever really got 'sick'. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20059618v1.full.pdf+html This was more harmless than the common cold to this particular population. Why? Editor's Choice article on Iran's state-sponsored propaganda outlet Press TV. It is a copy & paste from the U.S. The Associated Press article. Weird how Iran's state propaganda department openly pushes as their "Editor's Choice" a U.S. Mainstream Media article. Think about that ^ San Francisco sanctions once-shunned homeless encampments Rectangles are painted on the ground to encourage homeless people to keep social distancing at a city-sanctioned homeless encampment in San Francisco, California, on May 22, 2020. (AFP photo) San Francisco is joining other US cities in authorizing homeless tent encampments in response to the coronavirus pandemic, a move officials have long resisted but are now reluctantly embracing to safeguard homeless people. About 80 tents are now neatly spaced out on a wide street near San Francisco City Hall as part of a "safe sleeping village" opened last week. The area between the city's central library and its Asian Art Museum is fenced off to outsiders, monitored around the clock and provides meals, showers, clean water and trash pickup. In announcing the encampment, and a second one to open in the famed Haight-Ashbury neighborhood, San Francisco's mayor acknowledged that she didn't want to approve tents, but having unregulated tents mushroom on sidewalks was neither safe nor fair. "So while in normal times I would say that we should focus on bringing people inside and not sanctioning tent encampments, we frankly do not have many other options right now," she said in a tweet last week. Nicholas Woodward, 37, is camping at the safe sleeping site, but he said he preferred sleeping in his tent before the city stepped in; he finds the fencing belittling and the rules too controlling. His friend, Nathan Rice, 32, said he'd much rather have a hotel room than a tent on a sidewalk, even if the city is providing clean water and food. "I hear it on the news, hear it from people here that they're going to be getting us hotel rooms," he said. "That's what we want, you know, to be safe inside." San Francisco has moved 1,300 homeless people into hotel rooms and RVs as part of a statewide program to shelter vulnerable people but the mayor has been criticized for moving too slowly. She has said she is not inclined to move all the city's estimated 8,000 homeless into hotels, despite complaints from advocates who say overcrowded tents are a public health disaster. 60,000 homeless people in California could get coronavirus in coming weeks Modeling has shown that more than 60,000 homeless people could become ill with the coronavirus in California over the next eight weeks. San Francisco is just the latest city to authorize encampments as shelters across the country move to thin bed counts so homeless people, who are particularly susceptible to the virus due to poor health, have more room to keep apart. Santa Rosa in Sonoma County welcomed people this week to its first managed encampment with roughly 70 blue tents. Portland, Oregon, has three homeless camps with city-provided sleeping bags and tents, and Maricopa County opened two parking lots to homeless campers in Phoenix. San Francisco officials have historically frowned upon mini tent cities and routinely rounded up tents on city streets. But with an estimated 150,000 homeless people in California, most of them living out in the open, it's impossible to stamp out the highly visible tents along highways and on crowded urban sidewalks. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that officials not disturb tent encampments during the coronavirus pandemic unless people are given individual hotel rooms, as homeless advocates want to see. Those advocates say providing a safe space where people can get meals, use a toilet and avoid harassing passers-by is a reasonable option given the times. "The best, best option would be housing. The second-best option would be hotel rooms, but if you can't do that and we're going to have so many people outside then I think it makes sense ... to make those outside as safe as can be," said Dr. Margot Kushel, director of the Center for Vulnerable Populations at the University of California, San Francisco. But Nan Roman, president and CEO of the National Alliance to End Homelessness, said the federal government is providing an astonishing amount of money to battle the pandemic and she hopes cities and counties use it to put people into empty hotels, motels and other unused places. "It's almost like we're giving ourselves permission that it's OK that people will sleep outside, and once we've given ourselves that permission, it's very difficult to get the initiative together to do otherwise," she said. Still, government-sanctioned tent camps may be here to stay, at least until a coronavirus vaccine is distributed. At the urging of San Francisco Supervisor Sandra Lee Fewer, the city's parks and real estate departments are compiling an inventory of open spaces that might be suitable for tent camps. She said sidewalk space is a coveted commodity for retailers, given coronavirus restrictions, and the city's strategy of adding more shelter beds doesn't make sense with a contagious virus. "It is just a new world that we're living in," she said, "and it's going to have to be our new normal." (Source: The Associated Press) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Tom Kirkman said: Editor's Choice article on Iran's state-sponsored propaganda outlet Press TV. It is a copy & paste from the U.S. The Associated Press article. Weird how Iran's state propaganda department openly pushes as their "Editor's Choice" a U.S. Mainstream Media article. Think about that ^ < snip > 60,000 homeless people in California could get coronavirus in coming weeks Modeling has shown that more than 60,000 homeless people could become ill with the coronavirus in California over the next eight weeks. And here is that Reuters article, which was also highlighted by Iran's Press TV in the article above. Some 60,000 California homeless could get coronavirus in coming weeks, governor says HEALTH NEWS MARCH 18, 2020 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Modeling has shown that more than 60,000 homeless people could become ill with the coronavirus in California over the next eight weeks, badly straining the healthcare system, the state governor said on Wednesday. ... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jim Profit said: I will give you this...antifa has risen to a new level of recruitment. Just enough credibility in your posting to give it some credence. Odd just how nefarious the mind can be at times yet it still retains fundamental core beliefs. Your caption above does have some credibility yet it makes a hypocrisy of your own cause. To judge a class of workers by one bad actor is in itself a extreme form of racism...but then Antifa is a extremist group and the end does justify the means does it not? Speaking to that issue it seems scientists across the world https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/500236-massive-hydroxychloroquine-study-raising-health-concerns-about-the-drug Edited June 1, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 June 1, 2020 Nationwide George Floyd riots are the price of liberalism The tragedy of the riots sparked by George Floyd’s death was brought home by a distraught elderly black woman interviewed by the local ABC affiliate in her ruined south Minneapolis neighborhood. “These people did this for no reason,” wept Stephanie Wilford, who lives in an apartment next to where shops were looted and burned Friday night. “They went straight to . . . every store over here that I go to. I have nowhere to go now and I have no way to get there because the buses aren’t running.” The violence “is not going to bring George back. George is in a better place than we are. I’m going to be honest, I wish I was where George was.” But liberal agitators don’t care about Stephanie and the poor urban communities that have been destroyed in the four-day orgy of self-congratulatory violence they sanctioned. They are too busy dreaming up fantasy scapegoats. Videos abound on social media of shadowy figures, dressed in black, systematically smashing store windows, but not looting, cutting through fences outside police stations, but not pushing the fences over; softening defenses for the rioters. These are the domestic terrorists who have hijacked peaceful protests across the country. Attorney General Bill Barr described them in his Saturday press conference as “outside radicals and agitators [who] are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate and violent agenda. “In many places, it appears the violence is planned, organized, and driven by anarchistic and far-left extremists, using Antifa-like tactics.” (rest of the story at the link) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TooSteep + 142 IS June 1, 2020 On 5/24/2020 at 12:19 AM, Tom Kirkman said: And here is that Reuters article, which was also highlighted by Iran's Press TV in the article above. Some 60,000 California homeless could get coronavirus in coming weeks, governor says HEALTH NEWS MARCH 18, 2020 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Modeling has shown that more than 60,000 homeless people could become ill with the coronavirus in California over the next eight weeks, badly straining the healthcare system, the state governor said on Wednesday. ... I hope someone has followed this up, now that we are past the 8 week mark. Based on the Boston data, one would expect there to be a tiny number of, or no serious cases among this population. Does anybody know the data? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 June 3, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:48 AM, Tom Kirkman said: Excellent overview. Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history ANALYSIS / OPINION: The new coronavirus is real. The response to the coronavirus is hyped. And in time, this hype will be revealed as politically hoaxed. In fact, COVID-19 will go down as one of the political world’s biggest, most shamefully overblown, overhyped, overly and irrationally inflated and outright deceptively flawed responses to a health matter in American history, one that was carried largely on the lips of medical professionals who have no business running a national economy or government. The facts are this: COVID-19 is a real disease that sickens some, proves fatal to others, mostly the elderly — and does nothing to the vast majority. That’s it. That, in a nutshell, is it. Told ya so. Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history So now with the riots, coronavirus lockdowns continue, but rioting is perfectly ok? Pharmacist Unleashes Hell on Wuhan Virus Social Distancing Hypocrites: So ‘Riots Are Just Cool’ Now? Unlike with the reopen marches, where journalists gave us up to the minute “reports” on how protesters were not social distancing and/or not wearing masks, we have not been hearing the same “you’re gonna kill people, you selfish jerk!” lectures from Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media regarding those marching over the officer-involved death of George Floyd. The double standards – which I should note extend to my Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper here in NC – have been so blatant that some reporters, including Fox Los Angeles reporter Bill Melugin, have even pointed out how “ridiculous and arbitrary” the stay at home rules and lectures have been all along: One thing these protests have revealed is how ridiculous and arbitrary these stay at home orders & social distancing lectures have been. — Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) May 30, 2020 Pharmacist Matt Dawson became so disgusted and frustrated over the hypocrisy and mixed messaging that he went on an epic rant on his Twitter feed Monday, calling out the inconsistencies of Democratic leaders and media figures who just a few days ago were doing things like trying to shame beachgoers in Alabama for not wearing masks and not social distancing in the middle of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic. Grab some popcorn, kick back in the recliner, and read on. It’s a lengthy rant, but worth it (language warning): Media: May: CORONAVIRUS IS THE WORST AND ITS GOING KILL US ALL IF WE DONT STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! June: lolwat — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 1, 2020 Seriously. I’ve been working in the pharmacy since March, in PPE. Washing my hands constantly. Wearing a mask 50 hours a week. Since MARCH! Bringing whatever home to my family from a crowded supermarket. And the riots just are cool? Fuck the covid plan right? Fucks sake. Smh — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Just open every fucking thing up now. All the way. They don’t give a fuck about this disease. Not stopping the riots. Fuck me. Fuck this. — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Seeing all these STUPID ASS politicians wearing masks while supporting ANTIFA and the riots. PICK A SIDE! Stop the spread or support the rioters! — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Hey y’all remember when those pastors got arrested for having church? 😂😂😂Remember they were called murderers! NOW RIOTERS ARE HAVIN CHURCH 24/7! Where’s the outrage?! Who’s the grandma killer now. Fuck you. — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 “Can I go get my haircut?” “Wtf! You wanna kill granma?!” “Can I steal all the equipment and burn down the barber shop?” “Well why didn’t you say that in the first place!? Of course!” — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 I guess is essential workers should just go home. I mean obviously covid isn’t serious since no one will stop the hoards of humanity packing the streets, burning the shit down. — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Ok here we go, make the reforms. Obviously they’re needed! Dude got shot at his BBQ place today. During a protest about that! Ok that’s taken care of. NOW STOP FUCKING RIOTING AND SPREADING CORONA YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 What is Safe from Covid?❌Churches❌Stores❌Parks✅Getting a crowd of people and burning down Churches, Stores, and parks — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 My other answer. Don’t arrest the rioters. But get the National guard. And I mean all the national guard. And Quarantine the rioters for 2 weeks. Just following what we’ve been doing since FUCKING MARCH! — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Do words have no meaning? Just let the current circumstances guide our lives? Is that how weak willed and spineless we are? — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 You can’t have a pandemic containment plan in action for months then let that all fall apart because we don’t want to hurt feelings by stopping a violent riot! What’s the fucking point!? Are we listening to Fauci or Faust? Pick one. — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 Just open your businesses. If the state is not going to stop literal looting and burning or buildings, they’ll have a lot of nerve if you decide to sell a meal, a product, a service and they want to shut you down. If they don’t care about covid then why should we? — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 You can’t push pause on a disease. It doesn’t pause so people can riot. — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 That Michigan Governor is a fucking joke! Close everything down with threats! Then don’t do anything when there are riots. Enjoy your Covid, Gretch! https://t.co/eLOyCuKxjw — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 “We’re all in this together!” Who the fuck is we?! You got a mouse in your pocket! Riots or social distancing! Pick one! — Matt Dawson (@SaintRPh) June 2, 2020 We need coronavirus case updates in protest cities from journalist and Democrat mask/distancing monitors in two weeks to find out if protesters who aren’t following CDC guidelines on social distancing, wearing a mask, and maximum gathering limits caused have case numbers to rise. Because #consistency. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites