World looks on in horror as Trump flails over pandemic despite claims US leads way

[Joe Richards + 1]

Yoshiro is obviously a chinese communist sympathiser, or perhaps a rabid democrat. Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus.  the federals responded to the states as appropriate. And for the most parts the states are directing their own responses as is appropriate. About half the deaths are from new york, where the idiot cuomo insisted that nursing homes admit active corona cases.

 

And lets not forget it was the lying chinese communist party /gov who covered this thing up so it would spread across the world. So to blame anyone other than Xi Jinping is to lie and cover up the truth.

 

The only one flailing here it the liar Yoshiro flailing away with falsehoods on his computer.

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

41 minutes ago, Joe Richards said:

Yoshiro is obviously a chinese communist sympathiser, or perhaps a rabid democrat. Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus.  the federals responded to the states as appropriate. And for the most parts the states are directing their own responses as is appropriate. About half the deaths are from new york, where the idiot cuomo insisted that nursing homes admit active corona cases.

 

And lets not forget it was the lying chinese communist party /gov who covered this thing up so it would spread across the world. So to blame anyone other than Xi Jinping is to lie and cover up the truth.

 

The only one flailing here it the liar Yoshiro flailing away with falsehoods on his computer.

@Tom Kirkman Maybe you can help clean up this repeater?

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

1 hour ago, Joe Richards said:

Yoshiro is obviously a chinese communist sympathiser, or perhaps a rabid democrat. Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus.  the federals responded to the states as appropriate. And for the most parts the states are directing their own responses as is appropriate. About half the deaths are from new york, where the idiot cuomo insisted that nursing homes admit active corona cases.

 

And lets not forget it was the lying chinese communist party /gov who covered this thing up so it would spread across the world. So to blame anyone other than Xi Jinping is to lie and cover up the truth.

 

The only one flailing here it the liar Yoshiro flailing away with falsehoods on his computer.

 

Yoshiro remains free to comment any way he pleases, so long as he follows forum guidelines, same as every other forum member.

 

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[Enthalpic + 1,496]

23 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

I don't dispute there was a building that China called a hospital. From someone who's been in the construction industry many years, that 'hospital' was nothing more than a giant mobile home with dividers and medical equipment thrown in. Theres nothing special about being able to build a giant mobile home with dividers quickly. Thats why it was torn down.

It was still a hospital.  A hospital can be a tent...

[BradleyPNW + 282]

5 hours ago, Joe Richards said:

Yoshiro is obviously a chinese communist sympathiser, or perhaps a rabid democrat. Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus.  the federals responded to the states as appropriate. And for the most parts the states are directing their own responses as is appropriate. About half the deaths are from new york, where the idiot cuomo insisted that nursing homes admit active corona cases.

And lets not forget it was the lying chinese communist party /gov who covered this thing up so it would spread across the world. So to blame anyone other than Xi Jinping is to lie and cover up the truth.

The only one flailing here it the liar Yoshiro flailing away with falsehoods on his computer.

"Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus." 

Donald ceased his daily COVID briefings after everyone laughed at him for suggesting people inject bleach into their veins to kill the virus. So, not a great job. 
 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

19 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said:

"Trump has done a great job at handling the federal response to the virus." 

Donald ceased his daily COVID briefings after everyone laughed at him for suggesting people inject bleach into their veins to kill the virus. So, not a great job. 
 

The list of junk he says, and then pretends he didn't say, is getting really long.  He can't keep giving the opposition gold and have any chance of winning, better to avoid cameras so they can't replay video of his lies and foolishness.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1252613411097149441

 

[frankfurter + 562]

On 5/21/2020 at 4:06 AM, Strangelovesurfing said:

I don't dispute there was a building that China called a hospital. From someone who's been in the construction industry many years, that 'hospital' was nothing more than a giant mobile home with dividers and medical equipment thrown in. Theres nothing special about being able to build a giant mobile home with dividers quickly. Thats why it was torn down.

Wow, your hatred and denial are amazing, and dangerous. Obviously, you have never constructed anything close to a medical standard. And obviously, you were not present. Whatever your ignorant opinion, China built a medical facility in only 10 days. The US gives its people tents, and cannot erect even so little as these in 10 days. 

 

 

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

4 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Wow, your hatred and denial are amazing, and dangerous. Obviously, you have never constructed anything close to a medical standard. And obviously, you were not present. Whatever your ignorant opinion, China built a medical facility in only 10 days. The US gives its people tents, and cannot erect even so little as these in 10 days. 

 

 

Yeah, we don't build buildings that you tear down two months later, we use a field tent thats much more sensible. I don't hate anybody Franky, and no i'm not in denial, I just see through the 'muddy waters' unlike you. Amazing and dangerous huh? Please do tell how my opinion is so dangerous to you?

Oh, and those field tents, which weren't really needed anyway, they're actually better than China's "hospital". The ventilation in a tent is far superior to a mobile home, the viral particles will be carried on this far superior airflow out and away from the patents that are there unlike the crap ventilation system that existed in that giant mobile home.

Interesting how you declare my ignorant opinion and obviously I have never constructed anything close to medical standard how do you know this?  You can look up Tripler Medical Center on the island of Oahu in the Great State of Hawaii, a VA facility. Yep did a bunch of remodeling and additions on that building a few years back. Also did a bunch of work on the USN hospital that was built ~8 years ago on Guam, but your right Franky, I have no idea what 'medical standard' looks like.

BTW, there's no such thing as 'medical standard', if you knew anything about construction you would know that. Theres only Building Standards, you know load, foundation, power and other utilities based on expected occupancy and what ever activity the building's purpose is. Sorry I guess I'm really showing my ignorance here Franky boy, oh wait that would be you....

Edited May 22, 2020 by Strangelovesurfing

[Hotone + 412]

1 hour ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Yeah, we don't build buildings that you tear down two months later, we use a field tent thats much more sensible. I don't hate anybody Franky, and no i'm not in denial, I just see through the 'muddy waters' unlike you. Amazing and dangerous huh? Please do tell how my opinion is so dangerous to you?

Oh, and those field tents, which weren't really needed anyway, they're actually better than China's "hospital". The ventilation in a tent is far superior to a mobile home, the viral particles will be carried on this far superior airflow out and away from the patents that are there unlike the crap ventilation system that existed in that giant mobile home.

Interesting how you declare my ignorant opinion and obviously I have never constructed anything close to medical standard how do you know this?  You can look up Tripler Medical Center on the island of Oahu in the Great State of Hawaii, a VA facility. Yep did a bunch of remodeling and additions on that building a few years back. Also did a bunch of work on the USN hospital that was built ~8 years ago on Guam, but your right Franky, I have no idea what 'medical standard' looks like.

BTW, there's no such thing as 'medical standard', if you knew anything about construction you would know that. Theres only Building Standards, you know load, foundation, power and other utilities based on expected occupancy and what ever activity the building's purpose is. Sorry I guess I'm really showing my ignorance here Franky boy, oh wait that would be you....

Those hospitals built in Wuhan are specifically designed for Covid19 treatment and consists of containment wards. China is now building and exporting these prefabricated hospitals to South Korea.   

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Hotone

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

32 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Those hospitals built in Wuhan are specifically designed for Covid19 treatment and consists of containment wards. China is now building and exporting these prefabricated hospitals to South Korea.   

 

You guys are still on the Wuhan prefabs?  What is the big deal?  It was seen as clever and timely at the time they started doing it, but still, what's the big deal?  It's prefab, something the U.S. has been doing since, what, the 1950's?  A whole bunch of other countries do it too, and in fact some of them are famous for it.  IKEA anyone?

Do a search, for Pete's sake:

U.S. prefab hospitals

Some of the results are obviously not U.S., but so what.  1950s boys and girls.

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

29 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

You guys are still on the Wuhan prefabs?  What is the big deal?  It was seen as clever and timely at the time they started doing it, but still, what's the big deal?  It's prefab, something the U.S. has been doing since, what, the 1950's?  A whole bunch of other countries do it too, and in fact some of them are famous for it.  IKEA anyone?

Do a search, for Pete's sake:

U.S. prefab hospitals

Some of the results are obviously not U.S., but so what.  1950s boys and girls.

Ha, yes we're still at it! Having fun here

[Hotone + 412]

28 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

You guys are still on the Wuhan prefabs?  What is the big deal?  It was seen as clever and timely at the time they started doing it, but still, what's the big deal?  It's prefab, something the U.S. has been doing since, what, the 1950's?  A whole bunch of other countries do it too, and in fact some of them are famous for it.  IKEA anyone?

Do a search, for Pete's sake:

U.S. prefab hospitals

Some of the results are obviously not U.S., but so what.  1950s boys and girls.

You are right, prefab is no big deal. Just making the point that those prefab hospitals consist of isolation wards, and are not to be compared to tents.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

16 minutes ago, Hotone said:

You are right, prefab is no big deal. Just making the point that those prefab hospitals consist of isolation wards, and are not to be compared to tents.

So what? Isolation wards could have been ‘built’ quicker simply by utilizing pre-existing structures.

[Hotone + 412]

Extract from the NY Times:

Dr. Frieden, the former C.D.C. director, now runs Resolve to Save Lives, the public health advocacy group that has issued detailed reopening guidelines.

“Every day, I look at the two models for approaching this,” he said. “The China model, which is to use the world’s most authoritarian regime and best digital tracking system to hunt down and stop every case and then wait for a vaccine. So far, it’s working.”

By contrast, he said, Sweden is trying to achieve “herd immunity” by letting young, healthy people become infected at what they hope will be slow, steady rates. Primary schools are open, higher ones are closed, everyone is asked to be careful in public and older adults are asked to stay home.

Israel is roughly following Sweden’s model, Dr. Frieden said, just as Asian countries are roughly following China’s.

“And then,” he added, “there’s the American approach, which is: ‘What the hell — I heard something on Fox News. Let’s try it!’”

Sweden’s model does look appealing. Television news programs have shown smiling Swedes drinking in outdoor cafes, shopping for clothes, getting their hair restyled and enjoying other little pleasures that Americans have been denied for many weeks now.

But Sweden is paying a high price, and Dr. Frieden rated its success as “still to be determined.”

As of Sunday, its per capita death rate is 319 per million Swedes, which is higher than the figure in the United States, which is 242 deaths per million.

Other Scandinavian countries, with varying degrees of lockdown, have far lower death figures: 91 per million in Denmark, 40 in Norway, 48 in Finland and 29 in Iceland.

Having 50 states and more territories do competing and uncoordinated experiments in reopening is “daring Mother Nature to kill you or someone you love,” Dr. Frieden said. “Mother Nature bats last, and she bats a thousand.”

This is such a tragedy.

[Hotone + 412]

16 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

So what? Isolation wards could have been ‘built’ quicker simply by utilizing pre-existing structures.

Maybe.  The main considerations are the ventilation and plumbing systems to seal the contagion from people outside the wards, and also prevent transmission within the hospital.

In Malaysia, we used to have only one hospital (Sungai Buluh) in the whole country that can treat such a disease.  If you are warded, no visitors are allowed at any time, and you can only communicate via CCTV. The government may have built other wards recently because of this pandemic.   So far none of the private hospitals have such wards and treatment is only available in public hospitals 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Hotone

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

45 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Maybe.  The main considerations are the ventilation and plumbing systems to seal the contagion from people outside the wards, and also prevent transmission within the hospital.

In Malaysia, we used to have only one hospital (Sungai Buluh) in the whole country that can treat such a disease.  If you are warded, no visitors are allowed at any time, and you can only communicate via CCTV. The government may have built other wards recently because of this pandemic.   So far none of the private hospitals have such wards and treatment is only available in public hospitals 

Interesting black face mask in your new profile picture, Hotone.

 

[Radha + 262]

There were over 1 million tourists who visited Bali in January and February. Over 5% of them came from China.

Yet Bali never developed into a hotspot for some reason. Only 4 deaths so far from Covid and 374 cases.

The US definitely was not the model response that anyone should follow in the future. Governments should look to places like Sweden, Taiwan, Vietnam and learn some lessons from them.

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

Doctors in Northern California say they have seen more deaths from suicide than they’ve seen from the coronavirus during the pandemic.

“The numbers are unprecedented,” Dr. Mike deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 News about the increase of suicide deaths adding that he’s seen a “year’s worth of suicides” in the last four weeks alone.

DeBoisblanc said he believes it’s time for California officials to end the stay-at-home order and let people back out into their communities.  ...

 

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Brill

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

Bottom line: NY Governor killed more Americans in nursing homes than the Saudi terrorists killed in 9/11

 

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Cuomo’s nursing home reversal is too little, too late for those now dead

Cuomo’s pride and political calculations don’t allow him to admit error even as he finally reverses one of the mostly deadly policy mistakes in New York history.

Nursing homes and rehabilitation centers have tallied more than 5,000 coronavirus deaths, yet the governor accepts zero responsibility despite his March 25th order forcing them to take infected patients from hospitals.

Now he says they no longer have to do that, announcing Sunday that “a hospital cannot discharge a person who is COVID positive to a nursing home.”

Indeed, the initial order denied nursing homes the right even to ask if patients being sent by hospitals had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Now hospitals must do discharge tests and only those who are negative can be referred to nursing homes.

Said one nursing home executive, “It feels at least a month too late.”  ...

 

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Gov. Cuomo admits he was wrong to order nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has finally admitted — tacitly and partially, anyway — the mistake that was state health chief Howard Zucker’s order that nursing homes must admit coronavirus-positive patients.

On Sunday, Cuomo announced a new regulation: Such patients must now test negative for the virus before hospitals can return them to nursing homes. Yet the gov also admitted that COVID-19 cases might still go to the facilities via other routes, and didn’t explicitly overrule Zucker’s March 25 mandate that homes must accept people despite their testing status — indeed, couldn’t even require a test pre-admission.  ...

 

[frankfurter + 562]

5 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Yeah, we don't build buildings that you tear down two months later, we use a field tent thats much more sensible. I don't hate anybody Franky, and no i'm not in denial, I just see through the 'muddy waters' unlike you. Amazing and dangerous huh? Please do tell how my opinion is so dangerous to you?

Oh, and those field tents, which weren't really needed anyway, they're actually better than China's "hospital". The ventilation in a tent is far superior to a mobile home, the viral particles will be carried on this far superior airflow out and away from the patents that are there unlike the crap ventilation system that existed in that giant mobile home.

Interesting how you declare my ignorant opinion and obviously I have never constructed anything close to medical standard how do you know this?  You can look up Tripler Medical Center on the island of Oahu in the Great State of Hawaii, a VA facility. Yep did a bunch of remodeling and additions on that building a few years back. Also did a bunch of work on the USN hospital that was built ~8 years ago on Guam, but your right Franky, I have no idea what 'medical standard' looks like.

BTW, there's no such thing as 'medical standard', if you knew anything about construction you would know that. Theres only Building Standards, you know load, foundation, power and other utilities based on expected occupancy and what ever activity the building's purpose is. Sorry I guess I'm really showing my ignorance here Franky boy, oh wait that would be you....

Amazing, shocking really. I never expected to come across anybody anywhere who would assert a tent is better than a solid-walled, fully equipped hospital, including lab, xray, CT, filtered air intake and outake, waste disposal, etc, etc. I suppose all those building codes, regulations, etc, are simply to create make-work projects?  Bro, I think you need some help. 

[NickW + 2,714]

Deaths per million population: #	Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Deaths per million of population league table      Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop	Population	Continent
1	San Marino	658		41		235	382	1	19,397	1,209	3,779	111,399	33,923	Europe
2	Belgium	56,511	+276	9,212	+26	15,123	32,176	268	4,878	795	757,328	65,376	11,584,152	Europe
3	Andorra	762		51		639	72	3	9,864	660	3,750	48,542	77,252	Europe
4	Spain	280,117		27,940		196,958	55,219	1,152	5,991	598	3,037,840	64,977	46,752,851	Europe
5	Italy	228,006		32,486		134,560	60,960	640	3,770	537	3,243,398	53,635	60,471,198	Europe
6	UK	250,908		36,042		N/A	N/A	1,559	3,698	531	3,090,566	45,552	67,847,158	Europe
7	France	181,826		28,215		63,858	89,753	1,745	2,786	432	1,384,633	21,218	65,258,007	Europe
8	Sweden	32,172		3,871		4,971	23,330	352	3,188	384	209,900	20,798	10,092,371	Europe
9	Sint Maarten	77		15		59	3	1	1,798	350	437	10,205	42,821	North America
10	Netherlands	44,700		5,775		N/A	N/A	255	2,609	337	302,395	17,652	17,130,802	Europe
11	Ireland	24,391		1,583		21,060	1,748	54	4,946	321	295,626	59,945	4,931,601	Europe
12	USA	1,621,333	+431	96,363	+9	382,244	1,142,726	17,907	4,901	291	13,479,242	40,749	330,790,544	North America
13	Isle of Man	336		24		303	9	2	3,954	282	4,353	51,221	84,984	Europe
14	Channel Islands	558		45		508	5		3,213	259	5,342	30,757	173,685	Europe
15	Switzerland	30,694		1,898		27,900	896	55	3,549	219

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 hours ago, Hotone said:

You are right, prefab is no big deal. Just making the point that those prefab hospitals consist of isolation wards, and are not to be compared to tents.

Okay.  

NEGATIVE PRESSURE ISOLATION ROOMS & TREATMENT FACILITIES

Next question?

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Okay.  

NEGATIVE PRESSURE ISOLATION ROOMS & TREATMENT FACILITIES

Next question?

Negative Pressure Inflatable Structure

Isolation tent, screenings help hospital avoid COVID-19 spread

Heck, even the Brits have them available:

Isolation Door & Tents

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 hours ago, Hotone said:

“And then,” he added, “there’s the American approach, which is: ‘What the hell — I heard something on Fox News. Let’s try it!’”

Unbiased opinion?  LOL!  (It did make me laugh, though!)