World looks on in horror as Trump flails over pandemic despite claims US leads way

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23 minutes ago, El Gato said:

Australia also just had their summer, in which the virus dose not survive as well.

Part of the reason the US has a great deal of deaths is the over weight and out of shape population we have, which is subsidize heavily by the USDA. Also our aging boomer population, which we try and take care of, and if I'm not mistaken, is the largest in the world

Nah, Europe is older and with larger boomer population.

Disease works like this: Either you catch it soon enough and can do tracing to eradicate it like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, or you do not catch it and the only solution at that point is to let it burn through the population unless one wishes to play utopian Bull Shit games pretending a vaccine will magically appear. 

Why did they come off easy?  Because they DO NOT trust the Chinese as far as they can throw them.

Edited May 17, 2020 by footeab@yahoo.com

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8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I give you Obama was the master of deception, destroying America's middle class. It is the middle class that keeps the hope of humanity alive, to dream of a better life to dream of hope.

 

Huh, that was the bank collapse and mortgage bubble if anything - so basically greedy and/or stupid Americans (selling subprime mortgages, or buying a home they couldn't afford respectively).

Now fast forward to trump - the economy is crap (and not just due to the virus), his failed trade war, failure to be diplomatic to prevent global oil collapse.

Then of course all the dead...

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7 hours ago, SUZNV said:

First, I am glad that Trump is a master of deception.

 

You and Eyes Wide Open can argue about who was more deceptive and whether or not that is a good trait.

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7 hours ago, Jee said:

Sure, Brazil-15000 out of 200m, Japan-713 out of 126m, Australia-629 out of 26m.

To convert these to US (87841 out of 328m) equivalents assuming the same population size:

Brazil: 24600

Japan: 1856

Australia: 7936

So, US is doing worse than his Aussie brother, his Asian puppet and the homeless in the Amazon.

The USA is over counting deaths as being "Covid19" by tagging anything close as Covid. 

Example, a 95 year old person with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, Alzheimer's and heart disease who was living in a hospice care facility just died. Post mortem, they checked him for Covid and it came back positive. Guess what they called the cause of death? The governor of Illinois admitted publicly that they have been "over counting" Covid deaths as has New York. If the True numbers here were published, these governors would need to quadruple their security and couldn't get elected dog catcher from now on. 

But yeah, mine's bigger than yours @Jee, or should I say @Jim Profit or should I say @frankfurter? Always the same modus operandi, always following the wumaodang playbook. Like cockroaches, disappearing when the light comes on, then sneaking back into the kitchen later

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1 minute ago, Enthalpic said:

Huh, that was the bank collapse and mortgage bubble if anything - so basically greedy and/or stupid Americans (selling subprime mortgages, or buying a home they couldn't afford respectively).

Now fast forward to trump - the economy is crap (and not just due to the virus), his failed trade war, failure to be diplomatic to prevent global oil collapse.

Then of course all the dead...

Odd you are a quite well written individual, and a certain degree of intellect. Are you saying Obama did not walk away from the middle class?

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4 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

You and Eyes Wide Open can argue about who was more deceptive and whether or not that is a good trait.

No arguments for me...what i have said is indisputable..Can one argue yes of course to that point Trees and liberal minds have one thing in common...they are rather resistant and stiff. 

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6 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Odd you are a quite well written individual, and a certain degree of intellect. Are you saying Obama did not walk away from the middle class?

I'm saying a lot of people made poor financial decisions - both big bank professionals and people who bought homes they couldn't afford.

When the lower-middle class gets a home foreclosure those properties are bought up by the rich or are reduced to shambles (Detroit)

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Enthalpic

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32 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Nah, Europe is older and with larger boomer population.

Disease works like this: Either you catch it soon enough and can do tracing to eradicate it like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, or you do not catch it and the only solution at that point is to let it burn through the population unless one wishes to play utopian Bull Shit games pretending a vaccine will magically appear. 

Why did they come off easy?  Because they DO NOT trust the Chinese as far as they can throw them.

We are talking countries here, not continents, of which a lot of Europe's boomer population doesn't exist because  to many potential parents perished in WW2. Also viruses don't exist in sunlight well or very long, are more communicable in climate controlled,dry indoor climates, which is why the flu virus is more prevalent in the winter months than the summer months, along with cold viruses. Also the above gentleman is correct, doctors are reporting ALL people who have covid 19 as covid 19 casualties, whether they died from the virus or other pre-existing condition which caused the patients death, and by-the-way they have the virus also. That is so the hospital gets Govt money for the patient if they are uninsured

Edited May 17, 2020 by El Gato

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12 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

I'm saying a lot of people made poor financial decisions - both big bank professionals and people who bought homes they couldn't afford.

When the lower-middle class gets a home foreclosure those properties are bought up by the rich or are reduced to shambles (Detroit)

 

I would suggest  deeper look into the timelines and event's. Smiles just take the statement head on Obama and his policys destroyed the middle class. I do not relish reliving that debacle i was square in the middle watching it fall...and square in the middle watching him abandon the middle class....Have a read it was what it was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/12/democrats-cant-win-until-they-recognize-how-bad-obamas-financial-policies-were/

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33 minutes ago, El Gato said:

We are talking countries here, not continents, of which a lot of Europe's boomer population doesn't exist because  to many potential parents perished in WW2.

DO you ever bother to look up information or just dump your shit out there for everyone to smell and expect people to tell you your Shit smells like roses?

USA https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2019

Pop: 330M, 60-64: 3.0%/3.2% 65-69 2.5%/2.8% 70-75 1.9%/2.2%

Europe(entire continent) https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2019/

Pop: 720M, 60-64: 3.0%/3.5% 65-69 2.5%/3.1% 70-75 2.0%/2.5%

W. Europe https://www.populationpyramid.net/western-europe/2019/

Pop: 200M, 60-64: 3.1%/3.3% 65-69 2.7%/3.0% 70-75 2.3%/2.6%

Average Age USA: ~38

Average Age EU: ~42

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2 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

You and Eyes Wide Open can argue about who was more deceptive and whether or not that is a good trait.

Politicians competition all have deception trait to compete to each other. Public in their eyes don't have long memory and new news will bury old news. So if a politician has more than 30 years career in politics will have more allies to cover for them and  accumulate more deceptions.

But breaking constitution to spy on their political rival compares to Covid19, I am afraid Covid19 was used as a distraction, not the other way round.  Maybe the political environment in Nixon's time was far more honest than now. If he were still alive, he would regret that he shouldn't resign back then.

I discuss your argument directly  yet you told me and Eyes Wide Open compete for who was more deceptive? You were sub-consciously creating a deception without even knowing it.  Maybe you should join our competition as you so adapt with that trait.

Edited May 17, 2020 by SUZNV

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2 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I'm saying a lot of people made poor financial decisions - both big bank professionals and people who bought homes they couldn't afford.

When the lower-middle class gets a home foreclosure those properties are bought up by the rich or are reduced to shambles (Detroit)

 

The big losses on those mortgages were in Europe, where investment funds, particularly public wealth funds and individuals were making distant investments without looking at what they were buying. MBS and CLO products with tiered default ladders were credit rated by the agencies using credit default models that assumed the probability of default was not correlated among mortgages, courtesy of JP Morgan's asset pricing model, which was released for public use in 1996. By 2007 the models were incorporated into the BIS' mark to market rules agreed to by all central banks as Basel III, It was implemented in the US by the FASB. The result was to tie all the bank's balance sheets together so as to eliminate the possibility of their trading. That in itself made the assumption of independent probabilities of default of mortgages incorrect. The central bankers, at the urging of the biggest of them all, JPM Chase, missed the point that trading can not occur if all the market participants agree on the same price, thus no one can buy a "bargain" nor sell an "overpriced" security because they must mark them - not to their estimated value to maturity but to the momentary price they paid at the fire sale. They missed the basic economic law of trade that all things trade from those who value it less to those who value it more, and the price is in between them. The market price is not "fair value" It is momentary value. .

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12 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump is a master of deception, and you guys eat it up every-single-time.

Quick we a new new distraction. What can we use to help people ignore all the dead and bankrupt?

it's Obama's fault!.

The numbers are fake!  So, it's back to being a dem hoax now?   Quick, order people to change the numbers!  Launch the conspiracy propaganda!  Fire scientists!  Blame my advisors, they are in charge. Or the governors, anyone but me!

Do not say trump didn't take this seriously at least at some point.  Of course his stance changes daily, anywhere from: "this is a few isolated cases", to "this is war."

 

You guy seriously suffer from "trump does no wrong syndrome."  He could murder a baby and you would justify it.  Oh wait, he did kill some babies by taking them form their families and putting them in detention.

 

It was Obama's fault, during the mortgage meltdown, Geitner, as head of the NY Fed who was supposed to provide the money markets with liquidity  found one excuse after the other not to act while the banks were falling apart under the mark to market regulation. The FASB also refused to suspend the regulation. But they ultimately did in Mar 2009.  Geitner got the treasury secretary position despite being a political nonentity. It looked like bribery and sabotage to me. at the time. Looks more so now.

So yes, the GFC was also Obama's fault.

 

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Huh, that was the bank collapse and mortgage bubble if anything - so basically greedy and/or stupid Americans (selling subprime mortgages, or buying a home they couldn't afford respectively).

Now fast forward to trump - the economy is crap (and not just due to the virus), his failed trade war, failure to be diplomatic to prevent global oil collapse.

Then of course all the dead...

The economy is in the crapper because of the lockdowns. The lockdowns were not because of the virus. They were because of politics, namely to try to tank Trump. Like the 2008 crisis, just so much more so, this is a Democrat product, executed by Dem governors at the cost of their people.

The "trade war" was not about trade, but about tanking China's current account balance and putting them into default on their dollar obligations. The "trade war" part is for public consumption.

This is about the CCP, the largest corporations and the Democratic party coming together to defeat Trump, who is an existential threat to all of them. Google is enforcing Chinese censorship on YouTube, they earned an antitrust investigation and law suit. China bought Reddit in order to shut down Trump's main organizational forum. The CEO was rewarded for his effort to do so by this way above market purchase.

The picture you are getting from your side of the boob tube is simply theater. It is an old script written long ago that you can look up. Take the corporate media off your watch lists, the WHO FDA CDC and NIH off your "science" and "expert" list. View state and local public health authorities as political hacks and bureaucrats that they are rather than the medical professionals they claim they are but are not.  And look to what is actually done outside of their control.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

“...perceived wrongs”? How did you arrive at the adjective ‘perceived’?

It doesn't mean the wrongs are not real or real.  If something is not perceived then it doesn't generate resentment and outrage.  

Edited May 17, 2020 by Hotone

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On 5/16/2020 at 4:46 AM, Hotone said:

Even now, it seems like a lot of Americans still have this 'F U' attitude towards a lot of perceived wrongs.

Unfortunately, they are not "perceived wrongs."  They are Actual Wrongs.

The American public has been badly abused by, and massively stolen from, by the denizens of Wall Street.   Stripped to its essence, roughly 3,000 people on Wall Street have stolen the accumulated earnings and wealth of at least 22 million homeowners.  Don't be surprised at the reaction. 

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Ironically it were the liberals who had Occupy Wallstreet in 2008  think that by voting for Democrats, they are against Wall Street or the super rich. So who donated to all Dem election campaign funds? Purely from the Union funds? Or from some super rich who feel so guilty because they are too rich so they want to save the world? Strong Central Governments are historically famous for their corruptions and liberals are hoping to use Corrupted Politicians with Central power to fight against money, aka super rich for  the liberals benefit?

The Government, by nature will never give up their power of control, start with downsizing public servants unless they must because no more money. It is up to the voter to downsize them. The bigger the government, the more opportunities to pocket public fund by the top members and the less choice if you want to change your life by learning and working harder. Any Party will need mainstream's support to higher chance for them to be vote. 

The Capitalists aka Corporates & Bankers , by nature will never give up their money. Global world gave them bigger opportunities by moving around for gain and dumping loss on tax payers with the help of government and  they also need the people for labors and consumers and taxpayers. They need mainstream to distract people from this reality. Indeed they own most of mainstream, or the main donators of mainstream. 

People don't have money to own big news corporation, when the sources of income for mainstream is no longer from advertising, they depend on social networks and middle sizes news for their voices.  

So if mainstream  advocate for any government party to go against corporation interest, on behave of the people, they are deceiving. Mainstream and Corporation or the party they advocate for  is all in the same side. We should have many many small news sources arguing against each other instead of a few big one say the same things. That is why the freedom of thought or speech is important to supervise the government and political correctness is bad  because it can be to control public opinion. Everyone should be taught right and wrong in education, not by mainstream.

Ever wonder why many small countries have high transparency and less corruption? Because they don't have a strong central government or public sector and need strong private sector to remain competitive.

Edited May 17, 2020 by SUZNV

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Fury in Germany as thousands join protests across country over lockdown measures and a vaccine plan by Bill Gates as Angela Merkel's popularity falls

Thousands of people across Germany are protesting coronavirus lockdown measures over the weekend. 

From anger over lockdown measures to a purported vaccine plan by Bill Gates, the growing wave of demonstrations in Germany by conspiracy theorists, extremists and anti-vaxxers against coronavirus measures has alarmed even Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Initially starting as a handful of protesters decrying tough restrictions on public life to halt transmission of the coronavirus, the protests have grown in recent weeks to gatherings of thousands in major German cities. 

Meanwhile, German police said on Saturday that they have launched an investigation after a tombstone was placed in front of Chancellor Angela Merkel's electoral offices as part of the protests.

Red roses and candles were placed around the mock tombstone, which bore the inscription: 'Freedom of the press, freedom of opinion, movement and assemblies - Democracy 1990-2020', according to the police.

Saturday marks the restart of Germany's premier football league - the Bundesliga - becoming the first top-flight league in Europe to restart since the coronavirus put a halt to most professional sports on the continent. Germany's second football division will also restart. 

All games will be played behind closed doors, and teams have been instructed to follow strict measures to ensure the safety of players and team staff, or risk the season being suspended again. 

A large crowd of people gathered in the Cannstatter Wasen area in Stuttgart, Germany on May 16, protesting anti-coronavirus measures in place to slow the spread of the virus

 

German police arrest a protester outside the Reichstag building in Berlin, Germany on May 16

 

Thousands of protesters gathered again in Stuttgart, Munich and Berlin on Saturday, with police out in force after some protests turned violent.

Germany newspaper Die Welt said that well over the 1,000 limit of people went to Theresienwiese to demonstrate against the coronavirus measures in the country.

After the area that the police had cordoned off had filled, the police tried to send people away. Instead, hundreds of people lined the pavements, filling the area.

When Police announced that people should leave, they were met with boos from the crowds, many holding banners, with slogans like 'freedom instead of coercion'.

Thousands also gathered at a demonstration in Stuttgart, with police limiting numbers to 5,000 maximum. However, many people gathered outside of the area designated to them by police.

Frankfurt city centre saw counter-protests against the protesters, with one woman holding a sign that read 'Conspiracy theories can be fatal'.
At protests in Berlin, police could be seen using heavy-handed tactics to remove protesters who breached the coronavirus measures, or the rules of the protests.

Right-wing protesters gather at Brandenburg Gate, Berlin, on Saturday. A demonstrator holds up holds a copy of Germany's Basic Law, its constitution

 

A protester holds a sign perpetuating a conspiracy theory involving Bill Gates and vaccinations in Stuttgart, Germany

 

The growing demonstrations have sparked comparison to the anti-Muslim Pegida marches at the height of Europe's refugee crisis in 2015, raising questions over whether the strong support that Merkel is currently enjoying due to her handling of the virus crisis could evaporate.

Just like it won popularity by fanning anti-migrant sentiment five years back, the far-right AfD party is now openly encouraging protesters and re-positioning itself as an anti-lockdown party.

A recent poll commissioned by the Spiegel news magazine found that almost one in four Germans surveyed voiced 'understanding' for the demonstrations.

The development has shocked the political establishment, with Merkel reportedly telling top brass of her centre-right CDU party of the 'worrying' trend that may bear some hallmarks of Russia's disinformation campaigns.

After initiating a national lock down on March 22, Germany was able to begin lifting measures a little over a month later, although some measures remain in place, such as the wearing of face masks and limits on how many people can gather.

Since some measures were relaxed on May 6, a spike in cases in Germany has been recorded, with the country's R number - the rate at which the virus spreads from each person - increasing to 1.1 earlier in the week.

Germany has now seen 173,772 confirmed cases of Covid-19, and a relatively low 7,881 deaths compared to other countries in Europe. 

After seeing a record low number of new reported cases on Monday, seeing just 357, cases have spiked ...

 

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On 5/16/2020 at 6:01 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

George Soros: We’re now in ‘revolutionary moment’ that allows us to achieve the ‘inconceivable’

In a new interview, the left-wing billionaire called the coronavirus pandemic ‘the crisis of my lifetime.’

 

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It is a interesting phenomena, in the past few months it would seem a lot of talk is centered around Covid and Trump. When one takes the time to look around the world it seems apparent the entire free world is raising up in protests against their governments. Is it so odd there is so little of this on prime time information networks...CNN mantra once was around the world in 20 minutes in  recall correctly. Today it is anti Trump 24/7 with no end in sight...Fear Covid or Perish.

Justice Roberts: Americans take democracy for granted...perhaps the free world is questioning that very concept..

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People are silly to think that this whole Plandemic is a Partisan issue.  It is not a Right vs. Left issue.  It is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue.  You are fed that propaganda in order to become distracted. 

It is all about Control of the populace.  Blame it on the opposing party if you want and keep voting harder if you want.  The agenda is still the same and "The Powers That Should Not Be" are winning.

Vote harder this next election.  They will love it.

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If you are interested in the mechanisms of why hydroxychloroquine has been shown to help sublimate the COVID virus and how it acts as an ionophore for Zinc, I suggest you research it.  Many thousands of people have been helped by it.  Quercetin is another ionophore for Zinc.  Zinc within the cells neutralizes the virus.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Tom Nolan

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How many propagandist hacks does it take to write a fake article?

Edited May 17, 2020 by John Ronald

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