Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 16, 2020 IT WASN’T THE “VIRUS” THAT CRASHED THE ECONOMY, IT WAS THE PEOPLE WHO OBEYED Most atrocities in human history have all been committed by individuals and agents of government who were “just following orders” or “just obeying the law.” The virus didn’t give any orders. It was the people who obeyed the commands of tyrants that crashed the economy and ruined the livelihoods of others. Most human beings still think like slaves. Instead of asking questions or using critical thinking skills to ask if something is right before doing it, they simply obey perceived “authority”. The truth is, this lockdown is the fault of everyone who complied and everyone who used forced to exact revenge on those who disobeyed. It was the same in all tyrannical takeovers in history. The mainstream media keeps blaming the economic devastation on the coronavirus, but it wasn’t the fault of a virus. It was the fault of the government and the slave mentality of the police and the public willingly obeying their commands. Mainstream media outlets are still trying desperately to spin the narrative and fault the “invisible enemy” for the very real toll on human life the government’s overreaction has already caused. This is nothing more than propaganda, and once you pick it up, you’ll be able to see it. The media doesn’t want you to put the blame where it belongs and figure things out for yourself, so they hide behind deception headlines that will keep you in fear of COVID-19 as long as possible. This is all a part of the larger plan to keep the public panicked about a virus and looking the other way when the tyrannical boots of the state come down on them. We know this is what the media does, and we know they are doing it to keep the ruling class in power and the public panicked and in a constant state of fear so they will comply with any and all enslavement measures. ... ... The police state and tyranny is brought to you by those willing to follow commands, regardless of the morality of the command. Tyrants can’t have power without people willing to enforce the tyranny. If there are no order followers, there are no orders. 4 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Kirkman + 8,860 May 16, 2020 George Soros: We’re now in ‘revolutionary moment’ that allows us to achieve the ‘inconceivable’ In a new interview, the left-wing billionaire called the coronavirus pandemic ‘the crisis of my lifetime.’ 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tended Olive 0 May 16, 2020 Utter nonsense. A political hit job with no substance. The exact opposite is more like it. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 May 16, 2020 “...perceived wrongs”? How did you arrive at the adjective ‘perceived’? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 May 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Hotone said: Before the 2016 election, one of my American colleagues, a resident of Illinois, told me that he was going to vote for Trump. He told me that he was a lifelong Democrat, but couldn't vote for Hillary. Then I watched this video, and knew that Trump would win. Even now, it seems like a lot of Americans still have this 'F U' attitude towards a lot of perceived wrongs. Thank you for posting that. I had never seen it. Seriously. But, for once in his life, Michael Moore was 100% Right! Thanks again. 2 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotone + 412 May 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said: Thank you for posting that. I had never seen it. Seriously. But, for once in his life, Michael Moore was 100% Right! Thanks again. 😂 I watched it before the 2016 election, but this is just an excerpt! If you watch Mike Moore's full presentation, and there is a continuation, his message was totally opposite! This is how the people (especially the MSM) fake the news, by showing cuts to convey a message but not showing the full event and context! Edited May 16, 2020 by Hotone 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meredith Poor + 898 MP May 16, 2020 Dead White Males for Trump Miss World Contestants for Trump 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 May 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hotone said: 😂 I watched it before the 2016 election, but this is just an excerpt! If you watch Mike Moore's full presentation, and there is a continuation, his message was totally opposite! This is how the people (especially the MSM) fake the news, by showing cuts to convey a message but not showing the full event and context! Aha, Michael did not disappoint then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Dan Warnick said: Thank you for posting that. I had never seen it. Seriously. But, for once in his life, Michael Moore was 100% Right! Thanks again. Odd I had almost forgotten there has been so much rage. Often I speak to fundamentals,that video was a lighting rod illuminating undeniable fundamentals Today the press and covid may very well smash the dream once again. The actors enabling this debacle must be confronted and held accountable. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 May 16, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hotone said: The US has the best scientists in the world. In the past the US led the world in terms of response to infectious disease prevention. Indeed it is such a tragedy what is happening and what is predicted to happen in America. Can America return to sensible governance instead of hubris of its political leadership? Please let the health professionals, scientists and smart people lead this fight against the pandemic. This is the view from Asia. From MSNBC: The system has become authority driven rather than fact driven. The function of peer review has shifted from confirming of new discovery to enforcement of dogma. The scientists are being herded into the same kind of nonsensical mechanics of dogma as the socialist sciences had become in the 50s to 70s as they were taken over by Marxism. The New Left of tribalism genderism and global phenomena had to intrude into the physical sciences and turn them upside down to provide justifications for power instead of investigating and coming to data driven conclusions. The bottom line is that science has already been turned backwards to support authoritarian goals. Oddly enough, because science has been so heavily defunded by the Federal government. Thus the rush to gain funding has become more desperate and honesty went out the window over two decades ago, as the funding pool shrank. The political hubris is a long standing state of affairs in the Millennial era. Millennials have been brainwashed into the content of the sellout boomer's magic mushroom and LSD driven youthful ideals, but without their independent mindedness and constructive disrespect of authority. That nightmare of conformity and self censorship in pursuit of social media "likes" has made them incapable of critical thinking. They have a view of "evil" and "good" narratives and cannot escape categorizing even the simplest most obvious facts as one or the other. Thus "evil" facts have to be disregarded and their discoverers and chroniclers attacked as "evil". Unlike the rest of the world, Americans are dominated by the Millennial generation which is larger than the boomer generation, while in the rest of the world the boomers remain the main generation. Edited May 16, 2020 by 0R0 1 3 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 May 16, 2020 (edited) Trump is a master of deception, and you guys eat it up every-single-time. Quick we a new new distraction. What can we use to help people ignore all the dead and bankrupt? it's Obama's fault!. The numbers are fake! So, it's back to being a dem hoax now? Quick, order people to change the numbers! Launch the conspiracy propaganda! Fire scientists! Blame my advisors, they are in charge. Or the governors, anyone but me! Do not say trump didn't take this seriously at least at some point. Of course his stance changes daily, anywhere from: "this is a few isolated cases", to "this is war." You guy seriously suffer from "trump does no wrong syndrome." He could murder a baby and you would justify it. Oh wait, he did kill some babies by taking them form their families and putting them in detention. Edited May 16, 2020 by Enthalpic 1 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 16, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Enthalpic said: Trump is a master of deception, and you guys eat it up every-single-time. Quick we a new new distraction. What can we use to help people ignore all the dead and bankrupt? it's Obama's fault!. The numbers are fake! So, it's back to being a dem hoax now? Quick, order people to change the numbers! Launch the conspiracy propaganda! Fire scientists! Blame my advisors, they are in charge. Or the governors, anyone but me! Do not say trump didn't take this seriously at least at some point. Of course his stance changes daily, anywhere from: "this is a few isolated cases", to "this is war." You guy seriously suffer from "trump does no wrong syndrome." He could murder a baby and you would justify justify it. Oh wait, he did kill some babies by taking them form their families and putting them in detention. I give you Obama was the master of deception, destroying America's middle class. It is the middle class that keeps the hope of humanity alive, to dream of a better life to dream of hope. Today they have been badly diminished, the dream now is a handout from the government will complete there dreams All of Americans live in fear of covid, and driving that fear is the press and a few select individuals. Today America is waking up to the fact that they are dependent upon foreign nations for critical health care support... Obama I will fundamentally change America...And he was given a Nobel Prize by the world's social elites To say soon the human survival mechanism will over ride this message of fear is not a reach but a inevitability. Anger and resentment will drive out those things that are true and those things that are false narratives.. Social media and well rehearsed media proproganda will no longer be given a voice...Change is inevitable this time the anger of survival will fuel that change. Edited May 16, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jee + 27 JD May 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said: Could have something to do with the size of the population...🤔 Sure, Brazil-15000 out of 200m, Japan-713 out of 126m, Australia-629 out of 26m. To convert these to US (87841 out of 328m) equivalents assuming the same population size: Brazil: 24600 Japan: 1856 Australia: 7936 So, US is doing worse than his Aussie brother, his Asian puppet and the homeless in the Amazon. Edited May 16, 2020 by Jee 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jee + 27 JD May 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Dan Warnick said: So proud to get the last word, when there's nobody there.... Someone will always be there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 May 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Enthalpic said: Trump is a master of deception, and you guys eat it up every-single-time. Quick we a new new distraction. What can we use to help people ignore all the dead and bankrupt? it's Obama's fault!. The numbers are fake! So, it's back to being a dem hoax now? Quick, order people to change the numbers! Launch the conspiracy propaganda! Fire scientists! Blame my advisors, they are in charge. Or the governors, anyone but me! Do not say trump didn't take this seriously at least at some point. Of course his stance changes daily, anywhere from: "this is a few isolated cases", to "this is war." You guy seriously suffer from "trump does no wrong syndrome." He could murder a baby and you would justify justify it. Oh wait, he did kill some babies by taking them form their families and putting them in detention. First, I am glad that Trump is a master of deception. Name a single modern politicians among EU&Canada&US leaders or Xi, parties and mainstream who are not master of deception?Their jobs are either control by the will of the people or shift the people view to their favors. They cling to politics exactly the same way we cling to our jobs. In 2016, Trump is the one has the least ally supports from politicians (both Dem and Rep) or mainstream. How can a honest politician can survive in modern political environment? Create a distraction is politics 101. So should we let the FBI spy on their people? Is Covid19 more important than the constitutions? If you call Obama gate is a distraction? And talking about breaking the laws, Democrats, lead by the same few politicians who devoted their career to politics, surely have lots of scandals exposed. What have they been doing in their careers if not deceptions or think they will not ever be exposed? Who doesn't use distraction, look at the house next stimulus plan is the clearest evidence where each qualified US households should have about 26k if just split them directly, not some 5k, and will meet what the poorest people need. Should all people have cannabis so while waiting for the vaccine? Aren't they using Covid19 economical crisis for their political gains? And if you mention Trump in the defense of the new blanket stimulus, then you are the one doing the distraction, by your own standard. Edited May 16, 2020 by SUZNV 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradleyPNW + 282 ES May 16, 2020 16 hours ago, SUZNV said: And for people who say Trump should concentrate on Covid19 instead of Obama gate or Joe, precisely how do you suggest him to concentrate in anything if you are constantly attacking him? Poor Baby Trump, job too hard for him? I feel so sorry for the guy who is too small to fit in the big boy pants. 1 1 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradleyPNW + 282 ES May 16, 2020 16 hours ago, SUZNV said: I did not vote for Trump but I am pushed to his supporter side because I have good immunization to mainstream virus, which surely only infect people with short term memory and hate. They simply repeat what mainstream told them, as if only they understand what mainstream is talking about. It's true, you support Trump due to your social identity which you describe as immunization to mainstream virus. Actually, let's Occam's Razor that down to: you support Trump due to your social identity. Blaming a mainstream virus is extraneous -- and craisins. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradleyPNW + 282 ES May 16, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dan Warnick said: Hillary and her crowd lost the election for President because they cared too much what the rest of the world thinks, and ignored large swathes of Americans. Donald Trump WON the election because he and his crowd don't care what the rest of the world thinks. So, you've got to ask yourself: Do you think we care what you think? I care what the world thinks of America. It has huge implications on the success of our business and science research. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/ Edited May 16, 2020 by BradleyPNW 1 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194 May 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said: I care what the world thinks of America. It has huge implications on the success of our business and science research. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/ Then you are a barking mad fool. Do what is right first, image follows. Image is nothing but preconceived illusions or status. In this case, the US babysitting everyone. 1 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BradleyPNW said: It's true, you support Trump due to your social identity which you describe as immunization to mainstream virus. Actually, let's Occam's Razor that down to: you support Trump due to your social identity. Blaming a mainstream virus is extraneous -- and craisins. I have independent mind and I even don't need any media sources to back my thinking. I read mainstream, remove the journalist opinion and got the news. I am not infected by the journalist opinion because why should I let anyone think on my behave? Where do you think the media learn their propaganda techniques from? It has been widely used in any Communism Countries: Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, China, Vietnam, Cuba etc., which I grew up with and got the immunization from my own experience. The same Covid19 virus, it doesn't have the same severe effect on everyone, just the same with mainstream virus. I also don't take mainstream like a bible or feel hurt if someone says bad about my news sources. I can back up my thinking with reasoning by pointing out the half truth/illogical/emotional/ cherries picking from mainstream directly than trying to find a "reputable" opinion sources to back me up, I don't need mainstream to summarize any timeline because I can remember the timeline and who said what myself. I am not stupid to believe when Trump say we have enough tests for everyone because no way we can have enough, I know he just want to calm the people down, as any leader should do. Because enough test or no test doesn't make any different unless you can test everyone from the airports. Temperature checking is nothing. The Covid19 "science" is changing really fast compare to the other science. But I am also not stupid enough to blame state governors or city mayors' failures on POTUS because POTUS didn't hire them and cannot fire them. All he can do is to sign the right stimulus to bail their economy out. If Governors or city mayor are not responsible for their own states or cities, then what are their responsibilities? US political system is not top down like China where Xi can just replace the Wuhan mayor by his new man. What input do you have beside your social identity or repeating your mainstream bible or copy and paste? If people are forbidden to have a mind of their own, why do we need elections? Just let mainstream pick up the POTUS directly. I see mainstream as virus/bible does not mean I judge its victims/worshipers are good or bad. Otherwise all of us have social identity with our love and hate so why should anyone complain about social identity? 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradleyPNW + 282 ES May 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, SUZNV said: What input do you have beside your social identity or repeating your mainstream bible or copy and paste? That depends on the subject of interest and my access to relevant expertise. In other words, I try not to sound crazy by publicly flogging my member while ranting about a maINstrEaM VirUS. (granted, I did copy and paste the Mocking Spongebob text because I'm too lazy to type it myself.) 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradleyPNW + 282 ES May 16, 2020 (edited) tbf, I do need to actually understand the subject matter experts when I read what they have to say. Sometimes that takes a little back and forth with the experts who are nice enough to make themselves accessible on platforms like Twitter. Edited May 16, 2020 by BradleyPNW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 May 16, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BradleyPNW said: That depends on the subject of interest and my access to relevant expertise. In other words, I try not to sound crazy by publicly flogging my member while ranting about a maINstrEaM VirUS. (granted, I did copy and paste the Mocking Spongebob text because I'm too lazy to type it myself.) Otherwise most of your input in any conversation depends on mainstream, I have access to mainstream as well, who doesn't? If mainstream is the sources of expertise, then we have countless expertise against mainstream, mainstream just don't pick them. And that's why I never consider mainstream is a good source of expertise without their own bias. So if publicly announce my believe about an mainstream virus make me sound crazy to you, why don't you think you sound crazy to me as well to jump on and try to politically correct a stranger when he publicly says his believe mainstream is a virus. And you ignore or like countless people who share your view about people who support Trump? Shouldn't you go and correct anyone here that have social identity, or you have a double standard? Edited May 16, 2020 by SUZNV 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Nikko + 2,145 nb May 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Hotone said: Before the 2016 election, one of my American colleagues, a resident of Illinois, told me that he was going to vote for Trump. He told me that he was a lifelong Democrat, but couldn't vote for Hillary. Then I watched this video, and knew that Trump would win. Even now, it seems like a lot of Americans still have this 'F U' attitude towards a lot of perceived wrongs. It was identical to Brexit and both were very predictable, there are the same feelings simmering away in European countries as well, people feel betrayed by their elites and are sick of them. I expect more nationalist governments to come in Europe and the EU will probably die and if not fade away and become totally irrelevant. 1 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Gato + 254 Bs May 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Jee said: Sure, Brazil-15000 out of 200m, Japan-713 out of 126m, Australia-629 out of 26m. To convert these to US (87841 out of 328m) equivalents assuming the same population size: Brazil: 24600 Japan: 1856 Australia: 7936 So, US is doing worse than his Aussie brother, his Asian puppet and the homeless in the Amazon. Australia also just had their summer, in which the virus dose not survive as well. Part of the reason the US has a great deal of deaths is the over weight and out of shape population we have, which is subsidize heavily by the USDA. Also our aging boomer population, which we try and take care of, and if I'm not mistaken, is the largest in the world 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites