Thugs in Trumpistan

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

This has been festering a long time. Black people, in particular, have been treated as an underclass and are rising up. There is evidence of instigators on the right as well as left-wing white kids showing up to smash windows.

Having been through the Vancouver Stanley Cup riots, any time you get large groups of people together you'll end up with chancers who will loot and burn things. We didn't smear the average Canuck's fan then and we shouldn't smear the average protester now.

The videos that give me hope are the ones where the police are joining in the protests - like the one where the captain tells the protesters they would like to turn this into a parade. That strategy is much more effective that treating everyone like a criminal, which is how they are used to the police treating them already. We need to see more leadership like that in the US rather than the CCP-style "might is right" rhetoric.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Geoff Guenther

[ronwagn + 6,290]

5 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

This has been festring a long time. Black people, in particular, have been treated as an underclass and are rising up. There is evidence of instigators on the right as well as left-wing white kids showing up to smash windows.

Having been through the Vancouver Stanley Cup riots, any time you get large groups of people together you'll end up with chancers who will loot and burn things. We didn't smear the average Canuck's fan then and we shouldn't smear the average protester now.

The videos that give me hope are the ones where the police are joining in the protests - like the one where the captain tells the protesters they would like to turn this into a parade. That strategy is much more effective that treating everyone like a criminal, which is how they are used to the police treating them already. We need to see more leadership like that in the US rather than the CCP-style "might is right" rhetoric.

We need to fire bad cops a lot sooner and break the cop mentality that allows cover ups of bad cops like Chauvin. We also need to enforce the law. We need to arrest rioters and looters immediately. We cannot allow the destruction of property. The sooner we stop crime the better. 

Unfortunately the Black community has condoned rioting too long. America has adopted a degree of tolerance to them that is not "sustainable". This is taking place in Blue states and cities primarily. It will continue every few years if it is allowed. 

Blacks kill far more Whites than Whites kill Blacks. That is not a prejudiced statement, it is just a fact from the FIB, excuse me FBI. https://www.ibtimes.com/white-black-crime-vs-black-white-crime-new-statistics-show-more-killings-between-2424598  

I love all races but African tribal wars show just how ferocious they can be if riled up. http://bewareofafricangenocide.weebly.com/

Of course Whites can do it on a grander scale, as we have seen Germans killing Jews and Russians etc. Dozens of great examples can be given. Also Black on White slavery and White on Black Slavery, White on White slavery, etc. 

[SERWIN + 749]

On 5/30/2020 at 7:27 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

Antifa are thugs.

AG Bill Barr Identifies Antifa Activists as Organizers of National Mob Violence, Looting and Arson

Earlier today U.S. Attorney Bill Barr made a public statement about the George Floyd killing and the opportunistic mob violence that has taken place over the last three days. Within the statement the attorney general correctly identified Antifa as the primary organizing mob behind the riots, looting and mayhem.

[Transcript] – “The greatness of our nation comes from our commitment to the rule of law.  ...

And they wonder why the government is talking about officially classifying antifa as a terrorist organization? Hmmmmm, they are tearing up the Democrat run cities, but we have had very little trouble in Houston, and most of it was in 3rd ward. They are actually smart enough to stay away from the other neighborhoods here, they know the bullets would be flying and a lot of them would die for it.... They can go and burn the businesses down for something that happened 1500 miles away, but they destroy the businesses in their OWN neighborhood as a protest? really a fuckin' genius move there. And in a month we'll all have to listen to the whining when those businesses are gone and they have no jobs again, nowhere to buy things without having to go a lot further than they used to. Some of those businesses will not rebuild. If I was those big chain stores I would flat pull out and tell them all to screw off. Where do they come off destroying private property for something that happened with the police? That just makes so much sense. Just goes to show how low the mentality of the mob really is in the demonrat run states....

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

54 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Blacks kill far more Whites than Whites kill Blacks. That is not a prejudiced statement, it is just a fact from the FIB, excuse me FBI. https://www.ibtimes.com/white-black-crime-vs-black-white-crime-new-statistics-show-more-killings-between-2424598  

I love all races but African tribal wars show just how ferocious they can be if riled up. http://bewareofafricangenocide.weebly.com/

Ron, I'm really sorry to say that this IS what a racist statement looks like. The freak you're falling into is that blacks murder people so it's ok that police kill them.

If you were scared to call the police during a robbery because they might target you; if the government police killed your community with no repercussions; if the government was defunding your schools; if the government was taking away your vote:

What would you do?

All these "libertarians" who pretend they are about freedom have disappeared. It ends up they aren't pro-liberty, they are perfectly happy to keep blacks as a subservient group. 

Black people are over-represented as key workers - part of the reason they're dying in higher numbers is that they are carrying for the country. They are also over-represented on those that lost jobs because of the shutdown. 

And 90% of your post is blaming black people and saying we should go in there guns ablazing. You're better than that. These are fellow citizens who have been badly abused and deserve our backing to become equal citizens. They are protesting for good reason and outs time to listen. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

40 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

And they wonder why the government is talking about officially classifying antifa as a terrorist organization? Hmmmmm, they are tearing up the Democrat run cities, but we have had very little trouble in Houston, and most of it was in 3rd ward. They are actually smart enough to stay away from the other neighborhoods here, they know the bullets would be flying and a lot of them would die for it.... They can go and burn the businesses down for something that happened 1500 miles away, but they destroy the businesses in their OWN neighborhood as a protest? really a fuckin' genius move there. And in a month we'll all have to listen to the whining when those businesses are gone and they have no jobs again, nowhere to buy things without having to go a lot further than they used to. Some of those businesses will not rebuild. If I was those big chain stores I would flat pull out and tell them all to screw off. Where do they come off destroying private property for something that happened with the police? That just makes so much sense. Just goes to show how low the mentality of the mob really is in the demonrat run states....

So much easier to tear something, anything, down, than it is to build something.  Entitlement run amok.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

Ron, I'm really sorry to say that this IS what a racist statement looks like. The freak you're falling into is that blacks murder people so it's ok that police kill them.

If you were scared to call the police during a robbery because they might target you; if the government police killed your community with no repercussions; if the government was defunding your schools; if the government was taking away your vote:

What would you do?

All these "libertarians" who pretend they are about freedom have disappeared. It ends up they aren't pro-liberty, they are perfectly happy to keep blacks as a subservient group. 

Black people are over-represented as key workers - part of the reason they're dying in higher numbers is that they are carrying for the country. They are also over-represented on those that lost jobs because of the shutdown. 

And 90% of your post is blaming black people and saying we should go in there guns ablazing. You're better than that. These are fellow citizens who have been badly abused and deserve our backing to become equal citizens. They are protesting for good reason and outs time to listen. 

He's baaack.  

[ronwagn + 6,290]

21 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

Ron, I'm really sorry to say that this IS what a racist statement looks like. The freak you're falling into is that blacks murder people so it's ok that police kill them.

If you were scared to call the police during a robbery because they might target you; if the government police killed your community with no repercussions; if the government was defunding your schools; if the government was taking away your vote:

What would you do?

All these "libertarians" who pretend they are about freedom have disappeared. It ends up they aren't pro-liberty, they are perfectly happy to keep blacks as a subservient group. 

Black people are over-represented as key workers - part of the reason they're dying in higher numbers is that they are carrying for the country. They are also over-represented on those that lost jobs because of the shutdown. 

And 90% of your post is blaming black people and saying we should go in there guns ablazing. You're better than that. These are fellow citizens who have been badly abused and deserve our backing to become equal citizens. They are protesting for good reason and outs time to listen. 

Black Americans are the wealthiest Blacks in any large country. You are only posting part of my comment of course. That is the typical liberal way of lying. I put it all in perspective. The truth must be dealt with. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, SERWIN said:

And they wonder why the government is talking about officially classifying antifa as a terrorist organization? Hmmmmm, they are tearing up the Democrat run cities, but we have had very little trouble in Houston, and most of it was in 3rd ward. They are actually smart enough to stay away from the other neighborhoods here, they know the bullets would be flying and a lot of them would die for it.... They can go and burn the businesses down for something that happened 1500 miles away, but they destroy the businesses in their OWN neighborhood as a protest? really a fuckin' genius move there. And in a month we'll all have to listen to the whining when those businesses are gone and they have no jobs again, nowhere to buy things without having to go a lot further than they used to. Some of those businesses will not rebuild. If I was those big chain stores I would flat pull out and tell them all to screw off. Where do they come off destroying private property for something that happened with the police? That just makes so much sense. Just goes to show how low the mentality of the mob really is in the demonrat run states....

Store owners need to be allowed to defend their businesses from any rioter that breaks in. The big businesses might not want to hire security for that, but they should IMO. One should be allowed to defend his own property. Note that the damage is in Blue cities and states primarily. Shooting to kill should be allowed. Not many would die because not many would riot! Simple to a conservative, not to most liberals though. No more anarchy!

[SERWIN + 749]

Did I mention that third ward and fifth ward are basically slums, and what is actually going on is the area is being bought up by investors? Crazy expensive apartments(town homes?) are being built in the place of the slum, and property values are going through the roof. Oh, and as a side line the people that live in those slums are being displaced out of the city now so they are having to move to the outskirts where there are even fewer jobs for them and everything is even further, and bus services are extremely limited so they will now have the added expense of an automobile too....

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Black Americans are the wealthiest Blacks in any large country. You are only posting part of my comment of course. That is the typical liberal way of lying. I put it all in perspective. The truth must be dealt with. 

"Blacks should be thrilled that us whites allow them to stay in this country."

10 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Store owners need to be allowed to defend their businesses from any rioter that breaks in. The big businesses might not want to hire security for that, but they should IMO. One should be allowed to defend his own property. Note that the damage is in Blue cities and states primarily. Shooting to kill should be allowed. Not many would die because not many would riot! Simple to a conservative, not to most liberals though. No more anarchy!

Libertarians were called Anarchists until they decided to commandeer the leftist Libertarian name.

Now you just want the government to roll in and shoot blacks at random. Maybe you should grab your guns and go hunting.

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

40 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

He's baaack.  

Thanks. I would like the world to be a better place. Sadly, I'll never be as gentle and caring.

[Hotone + 412]

53 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

So much easier to tear something, anything, down, than it is to build something.  Entitlement run amok.

Ah yes, and Trump is the human Molotov cocktail and hand grenade to throw at the establishment (according to Mike Moore).

[ronwagn + 6,290]

22 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

"Blacks should be thrilled that us whites allow them to stay in this country."

Libertarians were called Anarchists until they decided to commandeer the leftist Libertarian name.

Now you just want the government to roll in and shoot blacks at random. Maybe you should grab your guns and go hunting.

Geoff you are a liar like the rest of your liberal buddies. Quit making up ridiculous lies. You will burn in hell for bearing false witness against your neighbors.

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

3 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Geoff you are a liar like the rest of your liberal buddies. Quit making up ridiculous lies. You will burn in hell for bearing false witness against your neighbors.

Then stop acting like a racist thug, use some sympathy and listen to what they are saying.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

11 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

Then stop acting like a racist thug, use some sympathy and listen to what they are saying.

So you are calling me a racist thug now. You are an idiot and a left wing lunatic. I leave you to God. You and your looters. Goodbye.

[J.mo + 165]

16 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

Then stop acting like a racist thug, use some sympathy and listen to what they are saying.

You should go hang out in Oakland with these folks, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. 

[SUZNV + 1,197]

18 hours ago, Hotone said:

The first killing fields were Cambodian villages where, from 1969-1973, at least 150,000 and perhaps as many as 800,000 died from carpet-bombing by B-52s.  Dropped from the relative safety of 30,000 feet, the 84 quarter-ton bombs of a "Stratofortress" completely destroys an area the size of a football field.

         In the spring of 1973 Fred Branfman spent an entire day with a CIA pilot flying over a large area of Cambodia. The US embassy had assured him that 2 million people lived there, but he did not see any sign of life.  He was later informed by the "bombing officer" at 7th Air force Headquarters that no attempt was ever make sure that civilians were not in the target area. After 25 B-52 missions over Cambodia, Captain Donald Dawson was court-martialed for refusing to fly after he heard that a wedding party had been hit.  Those who came upon the ghastly scene found only one survivor: a baby still nursing at his dead mother's breast.

         Yale historian Ben Kiernan, founder of the Cambodian Genocide Program, has done the most extensive surveys of the actions of the Pol Pot regime. Over 60 percent of those interviewed said that they turned to the Khmer Rouge because B-52s destroyed their villages. One of the most effective means Pol Pot used to control the people was to tell them that the bombers would return unless they were good Communists. Kiernan concludes his study as follows: "Pol Pot's revolution would not have won power without . . . the carpet-bombing of Cambodia's countryside by American B-52s.  This was probably the most important single factor in Pol Pot's rise."

North Vietnamese Army was using Laos and Cambodian mountain trail for transporting supply to the VietCong in the south and that is the reason of bombing, that is why they are using agent orange too, to have better vision on the trail for carpet bombing and normal people will not live along that trail because there would be not much villages there. US could not identify clear trails and that's  why they had carpet bombing instead of precision bombing like in the city of Hanoi in 1972.

Communism/Socialism fundamental is about amplify social conflicts for taking the control of the government. Communism by brute force/ Socialism by votes. What you see in China, North Korea or Vietnam is just the Communism side, you haven't seen any Socialism side came to succeed as totalitarian party but its ideology did never die either. 

I don't think Ben Kiernan theory was right to blame the bombing reason for Pol Pot regime came to power. That is the problem of historians, they can cherry pick data and give out theory to explain something without worry of being proven wrong. The most populous theory may not be the most accurate one but the one people like the most.

Given that Communism Regimes came to power in China or Vietnam simply using land reform, promising of equality without the need of any foreign bombing.The bombing would not be strong enough to scare and creating any strong social conflicts. Western politicians have a tendency of we-were-guilty for political gain while Communism politicians have a tendency of we-saved-you-from or we-leaded-you-to to keep their power.

Kuomintang lost the civl war against CCP even they were in much upper hand. Kuomintang, not CCP, was the main force against Japanese occupation in WW2. CCP was being chased away with the Long March. Poor Chinese people  supported CCP in the civil war after WW2  simply for the promising of equality, land reform and accuse Kuomintang  for being corrupted, and the majority of the population were poor and hungry after the WW2 while Kuomintang still had the aristocrat class. Turned out Chinese suffer worse in the Great Leap Forward for their choice. Totalitarian will be the result after Democracy "mobs rule". It came from the philosophy that the rich are sinful and the promising of a bright future but the result will be always the new rich replace the old rich.

The only difference are the new rich are from military class while the old rich are from business class, who would you want to negotiate with?

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by SUZNV

[ronwagn + 6,290]

7 minutes ago, J.mo said:

You should go hang out in Oakland with these folks, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. 

Here is a nice way to handle it https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/good-american-patriots-standing-justice-cleaning-messes-left-behind-far-left-rioters/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, SERWIN said:

Did I mention that third ward and fifth ward are basically slums, and what is actually going on is the area is being bought up by investors? Crazy expensive apartments(town homes?) are being built in the place of the slum, and property values are going through the roof. Oh, and as a side line the people that live in those slums are being displaced out of the city now so they are having to move to the outskirts where there are even fewer jobs for them and everything is even further, and bus services are extremely limited so they will now have the added expense of an automobile too....

The liberals that run the city could have required low cost housing to compensate for tearing down the slums if they want to build expensive apartments. This arrangement seems to work out in some urban areas. I have a poor acquaintance that has drug and alcohol problems. He does work on the side for extra money. His apartment is public housing built in an old hotel. It is very well furnished. He dresses very well from our many thrift stores. We have well provided food banks, a Salvation Army and many free public services. This is all in a declining old city with many generous people. We have our share of crime and a good police force to control it. 

I live about three miles from the urban core in a decent area on an acre. Just far enough to avoid the crime. I do not go into the city at night very often but own two other houses there. 

City leadership is very important. What is harming Illinois is high property taxes to pay for very high public employee retirements and benefits. State leadership is deep Blue and will probably remain so due to Latino immigrants in Chicago. I am largely Hispanic and Apache so please don't call me racist for mentioning it. Democrats depend on minority immigration to take over America. 

[Geoff Guenther + 317]

JMo, I realise that going to a ghetto can be a harrowing experience. I've done it in Seattle, LA and Houston and it is more heartwarming than harrowing. Some people I would be scared to befriend, but believe it or not, most are very giving. It's not their preferred place to live, but it is theit community. Yes, there are bad people there, but most of them aren't - they are deprived and desperate.

I don't want to live like that, and we should be forcing them to live like that. The things we got away with as kids because we were white would have ended our chance at graduating and anything but a minimum wage job if we lived there. The police trawl the streets there looking for criminals, not people to protect like you and I are used to.

Any cop knows that if you follow someone for long enough they'll do something worthy of being pulled over for. Remember getting your drivers license, being tailed by a cop, and being so nervous that you forgot to signal? Imagine that being what you feel like around the police all the time. You don't know what they're going to harrass you about even if you haven't done anything yet.

 

For anyone who wants an image of a cleanup from a non-extremist site, here you go:

[SERWIN + 749]

1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

Store owners need to be allowed to defend their businesses from any rioter that breaks in. The big businesses might not want to hire security for that, but they should IMO. One should be allowed to defend his own property. Note that the damage is in Blue cities and states primarily. Shooting to kill should be allowed. Not many would die because not many would riot! Simple to a conservative, not to most liberals though. No more anarchy!

Unfortunately that isn't the way it works in the blue states, it is OK to loot and riot and destroy a business owners dream, but if you shot one it would be that much more fuel on the fire. In Texas they wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell. I would venture to guess that by the third building a lot of them would be dead. Antifa doesn't have a presence here and it probably never will.

[SUZNV + 1,197]

1 hour ago, Geoff Guenther said:

"Blacks should be thrilled that us whites allow them to stay in this country."

Libertarians were called Anarchists until they decided to commandeer the leftist Libertarian name.

Now you just want the government to roll in and shoot blacks at random. Maybe you should grab your guns and go hunting.

If my ancestor was your ancestor's slaves, do you owe me anything while we all have the same rights now? Lot's of black people don't want to be employed by white because they thought the white will think them as slaves like their ancestor did. While other races simply think working for any race is normal and being called employee.

Do you know which communities most of the rich of any race live in? And which communities of the poor people live in?  Why Obama family didn't live in the community that they fought so hard for, like Mark Luther King? Why the rich black try to run away from their people? Precisely which right the black didn't have and the other race have?

If you have ideology to change the police force or the justice system, which you believe that biased, study and join these the forces and change from within, or advocate you community to upheld social standards instead of burning and looting for asking people to change their prejudice about your community. If you don't trust people then people won't trust you. If you want people to respect you then you need to show your respect first.  If you disagree with the  justice system and peacefully protest, why wouldn't you stop the people from your team who causing damage to other innocents business owners because it is injustice itself. Why your sympathy works only in one side?

Edited June 1, 2020 by SUZNV

[SERWIN + 749]

57 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

Then stop acting like a racist thug, use some sympathy and listen to what they are saying.

I have no sympathy for them, they have created what they are reaping. Sucks to be them. If you want to act like a thug, dress like a thug, talk like a thug, walk like a thug, then you will reap the benefits of.....being a useless thug.....

[El Nikko + 2,145]

26 minutes ago, Geoff Guenther said:

JMo, I realise that going to a ghetto can be a harrowing experience. I've done it in Seattle, LA and Houston and it is more heartwarming than harrowing.

😂😂😂

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

52 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

North Vietnamese Army was using Laos and Cambodian mountain trail for transporting supply to the VietCong in the south and that is the reason of bombing, that is why they are using agent orange too, to have better vision on the trail for carpet bombing and normal people will not live along that trail because there would be not much villages there. US could not identify clear trails and that's  why they had carpet bombing instead of precision bombing like in the city of Hanoi in 1972.

Communism/Socialism fundamental is about amplify social conflicts for taking the control of the government. Communism by brute force/ Socialism by votes. What you see in China, North Korea or Vietnam is just the Communism side, you haven't seen any Socialism side came to succeed as totalitarian party but its ideology did never die either. 

I don't think Ben Kiernan theory was right to blame the bombing reason for Pol Pot regime came to power. That is the problem of historians, they can cherry pick data and give out theory to explain something without worry of being proven wrong. The most populous theory may not be the most accurate one but the one people like the most.

Given that Communism Regimes came to power in China or Vietnam simply using land reform, promising of equality without the need of any foreign bombing.The bombing would not be strong enough to scare and creating any strong social conflicts. Western politicians have a tendency of we-were-guilty for political gain while Communism politicians have a tendency of we-saved-you-from or we-leaded-you-to to keep their power.

Kuomintang lost the civl war against CCP even they were in much upper hand. Kuomintang, not CCP, was the main force against Japanese occupation in WW2. CCP was being chased away with the Long March. Poor Chinese people  supported CCP in the civil war after WW2  simply for the promising of equality, land reform and accuse Kuomintang  for being corrupted, and the majority of the population were poor and hungry after the WW2 while Kuomintang still had the aristocrat class. Turned out Chinese suffer worse in the Great Leap Forward for their choice. Totalitarian will be the result after Democracy "mobs rule". It came from the philosophy that the rich are sinful and the promising of a bright future but the result will be always the new rich replace the old rich.

The only difference are the new rich are from military class while the old rich are from business class, who would you want to negotiate with?

 

I will be the first to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you would know better than just about anyone else on here, or elsewhere, since you lived it firsthand.  Not to mention that your version of events align with other people on the ground from that era.  Well done.