Something Worse Than COVID comes from China? A New Flu Virus

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"A new flu virus found in Chinese pigs has become more infectious to humans and needs to be watched closely in case it becomes a potential “pandemic virus”, a study said, although experts said there is no imminent threat. A team of Chinese researchers looked at influenza viruses found in pigs from 2011 to 2018 and found a “G4” strain of H1N1 that has “all the essential hallmarks of a candidate pandemic virus”, according to the paper, published by the U.S. journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). Pig farm workers also showed elevated levels of the virus in their blood, the authors said, adding that “close monitoring in human populations, especially the workers in the swine industry, should be urgently implemented”. The study highlights the risks of viruses crossing the species barrier into humans, especially in densely populated regions in China, where millions live close to farms, breeding facilities, slaughterhouses and wet markets.The current coronavirus sweeping the world is believed to have originated in horseshoe bats in southwest China and could have spread to humans via a seafood market in the central city of Wuhan, where the virus was first identified."

[CarlHainze + 12]

Not that I believe in conspiracy theories, but seriously, are the Chinese doing this deliberately?

[pinto + 293]

China again. Can we isolate China?

[francoba + 93]

We definitely do not need/cannot handle another pandemic in the middle of this on...too much

[50 shades of black + 254]

2020 is far from over....

[ThunderBlade + 231]

That's what they said about SARS-CoV-2! One more deadly pandemic and we'll have more guns than people.

Oh. Sorry, guys. I'm being handed a notice that we do have more guns than people

[Pavel + 384]

hmmm... One of the earliest civilizations started in China, look like the civilizational end will also come from there.

[pinto + 293]

here we go... "WHO says 'we cannot let our guard down' after China pigs study"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-pigs-who-idUSKBN2411DC?taid=5efb2df0621aa70001d01d3e&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[frankfurter + 562]

It's not new, nor news.  I know facts mean nothing to the morons here, but here goes anyway... 1/ The strain noted by the so-called, unidentified researchers is a type of swine flu that originated in the USA.  'murcans are at risk from their own swine far more than any imports. 2/ The swine flu virus has been present for at least the past 5 years in China, USA, and other countries.  Surely, if this were contagious to humans, it would have crossed over by now.  3/ The 'researchers' are identifying possible threats. A possible threat is not a risk. 4/ The Chinese, American, other authorities have known about this threat for many years, and have taken preventive measures.

get a grip on your hysteria. 

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

5 hours ago, rainman said:

"A new flu virus found in Chinese pigs has become more infectious to humans and needs to be watched closely in case it becomes a potential “pandemic virus”, a study said, although experts said there is no imminent threat. A team of Chinese researchers looked at influenza viruses found in pigs from 2011 to 2018 and found a “G4” strain of H1N1 that has “all the essential hallmarks of a candidate pandemic virus”, according to the paper, published by the U.S. journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). Pig farm workers also showed elevated levels of the virus in their blood, the authors said, adding that “close monitoring in human populations, especially the workers in the swine industry, should be urgently implemented”. The study highlights the risks of viruses crossing the species barrier into humans, especially in densely populated regions in China, where millions live close to farms, breeding facilities, slaughterhouses and wet markets.The current coronavirus sweeping the world is believed to have originated in horseshoe bats in southwest China and could have spread to humans via a seafood market in the central city of Wuhan, where the virus was first identified."

I think it would be a good move for China to discourage wet markets, dog and cat cruelty and use as food etc. From a public perception I think it is a good idea for any country. I realize that it is probably common in Asia and I have never traveled there. Surely Indian vegetarians think that Western beef and pork eaters are barbaric in that respect. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

5 hours ago, CarlHainze said:

Not that I believe in conspiracy theories, but seriously, are the Chinese doing this deliberately?

I think it is primarily an extension of their, to me, odd food choices, wet markets, lack of agricultural precautions, crowded conditions etc. That said, they may also be using their handy sources and refining them as biological weapons. They know they can control their people much better than free nations. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

8 hours ago, pinto said:

China again. Can we isolate China?

No, we are thoroughly infiltrated by the Chinese diaspora. All free nations are at a disadvantage in that respect.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

9 hours ago, pinto said:

China again. Can we isolate China?

Well, North America can, if it wanted to.  The Canadians already have a deeply soured relationship with China, noting that the CCP has literally grabbed two Canadian nationals off the street and locked them up in a dungeon under torture conditions for the last two years, in retaliation for the Canadians arresting Meng Wanzhou (of Huawei Corp fame) on a US extradation warrant request for money laundering and wrongful use of US banks.  That notorious case is dragging on, and China is now threatening the execution of the two Canadians as a retaliatory measure.  That execution would be by gunfire, a shot to the back of the head.  Meanwhile, Meng Wanzhou, with a net worth of over $90 million, lives comfortably in her $7 million mansion, having posted bail.  Her father reportedly has a net worth of $3 Billion, and thus some considerable clout with the CCP. 

There is no plausible way for the two Canadian businessmen to be released or to avoid being shot to death other than the release and return of Meng Wanzhou to China, which is apparently not going to happen.  Canada and CVhina are on a collision course, they are playing "chicken" with the lives of their citizens, and I predict this will end badly.  So, Canada is also likely to break diplomatic relations with China and cut them off completely, the logical result if the two Michaels are shot dead. 

Meanwhile, the Americans are totally soured on China and the CCP, and the Trump leadership also is quite prepared to continue with tariffs and quota barriers against the China trade.  There is no logical reason for the USA to have any further trade with China and the CCP, and lots of strategic reasons to shut it down.  If the USA shuts down the China import trade, it will force the re-alignment of supply chains, and that is already happening rapidly in anticipation of such a move shortly.  For US exports, the two biggies are Boeing commercial airplanes and various foods including grain crops and pork.  So what?  The USA can handle those losses in trade, other markets will be found.  Boeing management in particular is foolish to get into bed with the Chinese as their deals require partial assembly of US aircraft in joint-venture plants, with the technology transfers that includes.  The Chinese make no secret of their desire to be an aviation powerhouse, and will shamelessly incorporate US (Boeing) technology in their domestic production, as we have alread seen in the C-919 jetliner.  So, who are they kidding?  And the C-919 will sell for 30% less than the Boeing 737, so who is B oeing management kidding with those deals, except themselves?

That leaves US foodstuffs and of couse oil, as further commodity exports.  But the USA can handle the losses of those markets as well; there are always alternatives, and expecially for US grains, if there are insufficient food buyers, then the grains can be converted into liquid fuels.  In sum, the USA can handle the extinguishing of its China trade.  If it does, then shutting off air travel is easy enough. 

Should North America isolate itself from China?  In a word, yes.  The Chinese have already handed the Americans a multi-trillion-dollar hammering, and the Canadians at least a $330 Billion tab for losses due to Covid-19.  Expensive enough for you?  Just walk away. 

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

16 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Well, North America can, if it wanted to.  The Canadians already have a deeply soured relationship with China, noting that the CCP has literally grabbed two Canadian nationals off the street and locked them up in a dungeon under torture conditions for the last two years, in retaliation for the Canadians arresting Meng Wanzhou (of Huawei Corp fame) on a US extradation warrant request for money laundering and wrongful use of US banks. 

As I'm sure you know China also is using trade retaliations for that (Canola, etc.).

 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

It's not new, nor news.  I know facts mean nothing to the morons here, but here goes anyway... 1/ The strain noted by the so-called, unidentified researchers is a type of swine flu that originated in the USA.  'murcans are at risk from their own swine far more than any imports. 2/ The swine flu virus has been present for at least the past 5 years in China, USA, and other countries.  Surely, if this were contagious to humans, it would have crossed over by now.  3/ The 'researchers' are identifying possible threats. A possible threat is not a risk. 4/ The Chinese, American, other authorities have known about this threat for many years, and have taken preventive measures.

get a grip on your hysteria. 

Here ya go, authored by Chinese researchers who go into elaborate detail about everything but your super secret theory about this virus coming from 'muricans.

[frankfurter + 562]

6 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Well, North America can, if it wanted to.  The Canadians already have a deeply soured relationship with China, noting that the CCP has literally grabbed two Canadian nationals off the street and locked them up in a dungeon under torture conditions for the last two years, in retaliation for the Canadians arresting Meng Wanzhou (of Huawei Corp fame) on a US extradation warrant request for money laundering and wrongful use of US banks.  That notorious case is dragging on, and China is now threatening the execution of the two Canadians as a retaliatory measure.  That execution would be by gunfire, a shot to the back of the head.  Meanwhile, Meng Wanzhou, with a net worth of over $90 million, lives comfortably in her $7 million mansion, having posted bail.  Her father reportedly has a net worth of $3 Billion, and thus some considerable clout with the CCP. 

There is no plausible way for the two Canadian businessmen to be released or to avoid being shot to death other than the release and return of Meng Wanzhou to China, which is apparently not going to happen.  Canada and CVhina are on a collision course, they are playing "chicken" with the lives of their citizens, and I predict this will end badly.  So, Canada is also likely to break diplomatic relations with China and cut them off completely, the logical result if the two Michaels are shot dead. 

Meanwhile, the Americans are totally soured on China and the CCP, and the Trump leadership also is quite prepared to continue with tariffs and quota barriers against the China trade.  There is no logical reason for the USA to have any further trade with China and the CCP, and lots of strategic reasons to shut it down.  If the USA shuts down the China import trade, it will force the re-alignment of supply chains, and that is already happening rapidly in anticipation of such a move shortly.  For US exports, the two biggies are Boeing commercial airplanes and various foods including grain crops and pork.  So what?  The USA can handle those losses in trade, other markets will be found.  Boeing management in particular is foolish to get into bed with the Chinese as their deals require partial assembly of US aircraft in joint-venture plants, with the technology transfers that includes.  The Chinese make no secret of their desire to be an aviation powerhouse, and will shamelessly incorporate US (Boeing) technology in their domestic production, as we have alread seen in the C-919 jetliner.  So, who are they kidding?  And the C-919 will sell for 30% less than the Boeing 737, so who is B oeing management kidding with those deals, except themselves?

That leaves US foodstuffs and of couse oil, as further commodity exports.  But the USA can handle the losses of those markets as well; there are always alternatives, and expecially for US grains, if there are insufficient food buyers, then the grains can be converted into liquid fuels.  In sum, the USA can handle the extinguishing of its China trade.  If it does, then shutting off air travel is easy enough. 

Should North America isolate itself from China?  In a word, yes.  The Chinese have already handed the Americans a multi-trillion-dollar hammering, and the Canadians at least a $330 Billion tab for losses due to Covid-19.  Expensive enough for you?  Just walk away. 

 

my my,,, you sound more communistic than your declared enemy. Blocking trade for political purposes.... what happened to to the so-called land of freedom, where so-called free citizens could trade with whomever?  Of course, the USA has the sovereign right to cut its own citizens off from pursuing avenues of wealth, but have those citizens no say in your policy? After all, they stand to lose, to the tune of say $300 billion. 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

11 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

what happened to to the so-called land of freedom, where so-called free citizens could trade with whomever? 

The USA has had export controls since its foundation in 1792.   Get a grip.   What do you think, that individuals can go sell tanks and flamethrowers to troublemakers in Chechnya?   You are being totally ridiculous. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Jan van Eck

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

6 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Meanwhile, the Americans are totally soured on China and the CCP, and the Trump leadership also is quite prepared to continue with tariffs and quota barriers against the China trade.  There is no logical reason for the USA to have any further trade with China and the CCP, and lots of strategic reasons to shut it down.  If the USA shuts down the China import trade, it will force the re-alignment of supply chains, and that is already happening rapidly in anticipation of such a move shortly.  For US exports, the two biggies are Boeing commercial airplanes and various foods including grain crops and pork.  So what?  The USA can handle those losses in trade, other markets will be found.  Boeing management in particular is foolish to get into bed with the Chinese as their deals require partial assembly of US aircraft in joint-venture plants, with the technology transfers that includes.  The Chinese make no secret of their desire to be an aviation powerhouse, and will shamelessly incorporate US (Boeing) technology in their domestic production, as we have alread seen in the C-919 jetliner.  So, who are they kidding?  And the C-919 will sell for 30% less than the Boeing 737, so who is B oeing management kidding with those deals, except themselves?

That leaves US foodstuffs and of couse oil, as further commodity exports.  But the USA can handle the losses of those markets as well; there are always alternatives, and expecially for US grains, if there are insufficient food buyers, then the grains can be converted into liquid fuels.  In sum, the USA can handle the extinguishing of its China trade.  If it does, then shutting off air travel is easy enough. 

Should North America isolate itself from China?  In a word, yes.  The Chinese have already handed the Americans a multi-trillion-dollar hammering, and the Canadians at least a $330 Billion tab for losses due to Covid-19.  Expensive enough for you?  Just walk away. 

Quite agree on the Boeing joint venture.  That is an excellent example of a U.S. corporation being forced to take a self defeating decision simply because our allies (the multi-European company Airbus) wouldn't side with us when the risk of lost technology and market share is large, huge even.  All Boeing and Airbus had to do was deny the Chinese in their demand for joint venture production, and the Chinese commercial airlines would still have had to buy Boeing and Airbus aircraft until some decade in the future when they could produce comparable aircraft on their own.  But no, Airbus and Boeing simply had to have the deals today, not tomorrow, today!  If the Chinese had stopped purchasing both Airbus and Boeing aircraft because both OEMs refused to build them inside China, which they could not have done considering the numbers they need and have indeed ordered, then they would have gone without growth in the industry and their older aircraft would have fallen into less than desirable condition, further discouraging the travelling international public from travelling to and doing business in China.  Tourists would have had to think long and hard about the importance of visiting the Great Wall and the Forbidden City over flight availability and safety.

Secondly, on the foodstuffs front, China must have food to feed its people.  Whether goods purchased directly from the U.S. or through others, you are right: the USA can handle the transition (farmer grief and suffering for a few seasons aside), but China must buy those foodstuffs somewhere and the USA is the place of abundance, quality and consistency.

[frankfurter + 562]

12 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

The USA has had export controls since its foundation in 1792.   Get a grip.   What do you think, that individuals can go sell tanks and flamethrowers to troublemakers in Chechnya?   You are being totally ridiculous. 

really?  uh, your countrymen do indeed sell weapons to troublemakers, and support them with cash. Your history is replete with examples. I wonder what your farmers of soybean, corn, whatever, will say to the loss of $billions in exports. Or how about LNG? Or any other export you care to name?  On the one hand you demean China for taking political actions against trade, yet you advocate the very same. Thus you are no different.