COVID is real now

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10 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

The Left wants to fire all existing police (they committed the unpardonable sin of voting Republican) to be replaced by their own "politically correct" brown shirt "police" who will happily shake down whitey for reparations, real and imagined. Speaking of "imagined" the Left has already been running with their "police reimagined" sloganeering. In the past week everyone from the left have been running with that line. 

The Mckluskeys committed the unpardonable sin of defending their property because the police were following "stand down" orders from their leftist politicians in St Louis. That will become the new norm in the US, tax payers will lose the services they've paid for while the brown shirts will claim the recently vacated properties that whitey will leave behind as they abandon the cesspools these cities will become. But the left still won't care! The worst city in the US is Detroit but it's a highly prized position, as the leftists who made bank running it (into the ground) can attest. 

Thanks, the first paragraph is plausible, if not that likely. 

My perception of policing is different as large areas of Canada are policed by the RCMP, not municipal or provincial agencies.

I've moved to Fort Saskatchewan (northeast of Edmonton) and the difference in policing is drastic between RCMP and Edmonton city police.  I can only imagine the differences are much more extreme among the various states and cities. The RCMP in this area could use some defunding... cops everywhere just working traffic.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I've moved to Fort Saskatchewan (northeast of Edmonton) ........... The RCMP in this area could use some defunding... cops everywhere just working traffic.

Meh, those Mounties get sent up there into the boonies for "re-training" when they screw up and offend their superiors. Think of it as punishment detail. 

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16 hours ago, crazy trip said:

“The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal,” the journal concluded. “In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.”

Thank you for ferreting this out and publishing here.  I had rather dourly felt that the exercise of wearing masks was more a function of street theater than anything that would seriously contain any viral spread. 

The distribution of true cases is apparently a lot smaller than at first feared by many (including me).   Looking at the latest numbers from the State of Vermont, we have (out of a State of roughly 625,000 persons living here) a total of 1,053 recorded infections, and 53 deaths.  Those are low numbers.  Yet everyone is out there with these cloth masks on, all day long, and obviously they get saturated with viral matter and all damp and soggy soon enough, thus a great resting area for the viral matter.  For persons who are not coughing or sneezing, the masks might well do more to spread than to attenuate the disease spread, which would be ironic. 

The other problem is with "mass testing" itself.  Here in Vermont that is done by having the patients queue up in their cars, in a long row. One by one the cars get to the test point, the window is rolled down, and the tester, encased in mask and nitrile plastic gloves, leans in and shoves this long probe into the back of the driver's nose, where it is swabbed around for perhaps 20 seconds.  Let us assume that the subject is Covid-positive, infected but asymptomatic.  Ramming that swab stick up into the nose is sure to provoke some form of sneeze.  The droplets now are propelled onto the outside of the gloves of the tester.  That car leaves; the next rolls up.  The tester has to lean in to do the swab in the nose on that fellow, and he leans up against the top of the car door with his gloved hand to steady himself.  Except the glove itself is now contaminated - and these guys are not changing gloves or masks between testing subjects, not enough to go around.  By the time you get to subject #46, that tester is going to have some infectious material on him, and everyone after that is going to have a nice buffet of viral matter all over his driver car door area.  He gets home, opens the door, touches the various surfaces - and bingo,  he is now contaminated. 

The testing protocol in those mass tests might well be unwittingly spreading the disease. That strikes me as gruesome.  Another good reason to stay away from those testing sites if you have no symptoms - what is it going to tell you that 20 days sitting at home is not going to cure, anyway?  

Edited July 15, 2020 by Jan van Eck

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^^^^^^

THIS SHOULD BE A PUBLIC SAFETY ANNOUNCEMENT ON TV!!!

I could not agree with you more. Anyone who has ever taken a single microbiology course knows how easily Serratia marscesens is spread, and this virus is probably many times more contagious. 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Gerry Maddoux

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18 hours ago, crazy trip said:

I’m curious if this is only a problem in Florida or is are other states not getting their numbers right as well?!!

 If this report is true the implications are IMO staggering!!

According to the latest publication of statewide test results from the Florida Department of Health, published on Friday, several testing facilities’ positivity rates for coronavirus tests were 27.66, 33.33, 37.10, 40, 43.13, 44.44, 50, 55, 57.14, 59.23, 60, 87.5, 91.18, and 100.

Twenty-two labs reported 100-percent positivity rates. Two labs reported 91.18-percent positivity rates. 

The Florida Department of Health’s stated positivity rates and associated volume of coronavirus cases does not match claims made by the testing facilities, reported FOX 35:

 

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.

How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health’s positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

“The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent,” added FOX 35. “A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.”

The outlet added:

“FOX 35 News went on to speak with the Florida Department of Health on Tuesday. They confirmed that although private and public laboratories are required to report positive and negative results to the state immediately, some have not. Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state.”

FOX 35’s Robert Guaderrama is awaiting a response from state officials regarding the health department’s errors:

 

Florida has a statewide positivity rate of 12.5 percent, according to the state’s latest claims of 266,119 “confirmed cases” among Florida residents against a state population of nearly 21.5 million.

I was talking with my brother back in Illinois today.  He told me that the State's position on testing was that a person was perceived to have the virus until their test results came back in, meaning a 100% positivity reading at time of testing.  The State's intention is to then subtract the negative results back from the lab after 4 days, but there is no evidence that they are doing so.  Therefore, some States such as Illinois and Florida are reporting "record numbers of infections" these days, with minimal corresponding hospitalization and/or death rate increases.

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4 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

 what is it going to tell you that 20 days sitting at home is not going to cure, anyway?  

I'm not going to get tested or go to the hospital unless I really think I will die. Many illness are self-resolving...

I also have a decent number of medications on hand to self administer if needed.

Edited July 15, 2020 by Enthalpic

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2 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

 with minimal corresponding hospitalization and/or death rate increases.

That was true for a few days and gave me hope, unfortunately that is no longer true and deaths are going up fast again.

 

Two days ago: 464

Yesterday: 935

Today at 11:40AM already : 424

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Edited July 15, 2020 by Enthalpic

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18 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

The Left wants to fire all existing police

Your master agrees.  But how do you abolish suburbs?

 

Translate trump into logic for me: annexation? taxation reform? school funding equalization?  He depends on people like you to translate stupid for him. Use short sentences. Only the best sentences.

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I live in NYS, where the left have passed bail reform laws which are a disaster for the law abiding among us, have defunded the NYPD to the tune of $1,000,000,000,  have legalized infanticide, have declared us a sanctuary state, have issued driver’s licenses to illegals, have passed the SAFE ACT which heavily restricts my constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment, have seriously trampled on my property rights with the creation of the Adirondack Park Agency and is $6,000,000,000 in the hole (even before the Covid Panic) all while being the second highest taxed state in the country. So yea Trump is hitting the nail right on the head with his short, and for some, hard to understand sentences.

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Your master agrees.  But how do you abolish suburbs?

 

Translate trump into logic for me: annexation? taxation reform? school funding equalization?  He depends on people like you to translate stupid for him. Use short sentences. Only the best sentences.

Again you're being purposefully obtuse. Symbolically, what do suburbs represent? Nice niches away from the grime and crime of the cities? White picket fences and pretty green lawns? Too many white people earning too much money? In point of fact, suburbs represent all of that and more and the left wants to get rid of all of that. Now at your intelligence this requires hundreds of characters to explain, not the limited words available in a twitter post. 

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1 minute ago, Ward Smith said:

Again you're being purposefully obtuse. Symbolically, what do suburbs represent? Nice niches away from the grime and crime of the cities? White picket fences and pretty green lawns? Too many white people earning too much money? In point of fact, suburbs represent all of that and more and the left wants to get rid of all of that. Now at your intelligence this requires hundreds of characters to explain, not the limited words available in a twitter post. 

Did you answer the question? I know what a suburb is.

What mechanism is going to be used to abolish suburbs?

 

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Make America Great!  Explain how those policies worked out.

Occasionally you should look at the results.

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10 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

What mechanism is going to be used to abolish suburbs?

Don't get him going with questions like this.  The grand conspiracy theorist might have even more up his sleeve.

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Just now, UNC12345 said:

Don't get him going with questions like this.  The grand conspiracy theorist might have even more up his sleeve.

Well obviously the POTUS is not responsible for anything (HaHa), but I want to know how he thinks all the local governments are corrupt too.

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FYI: do you know why Donald said Joe Biden wants to abolish the suburbs? 

Texas. Donald is losing Texas because the Dallas/Houston burbs are rejecting him. So the clown tweets out, "Joe wants to abolish the burbs"


 

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

Did you answer the question? I know what a suburb is.

What mechanism is going to be used to abolish suburbs?

No need to define the mechanisms, I'm not here to contribute to the left's insanity. I'll leave that to you and your obvious sock puppet friends. Is it an aspirational goal of the left? Absolutely. Whether you choose to see that or not is not my concern. The left have trashed every city they control, they now are looking to trash the rest outside their (current) control. Every law they pass, or every judicial overreach from the bench serves to further that agenda. 

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6 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I also have a decent number of medications on hand to self administer if needed.

Hydroxychloroquine no doubt, while you're publicly bad mouthing it here. Just like a lib

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

No need to define the mechanisms, I'm not here to contribute to the left's insanity. I'll leave that to you and your obvious sock puppet friends. Is it an aspirational goal of the left? Absolutely. Whether you choose to see that or not is not my concern. The left have trashed every city they control, they now are looking to trash the rest outside their (current) control. Every law they pass, or every judicial overreach from the bench serves to further that agenda. 

Refusing to answer a question like this is so freaking sad. 

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

No need to define the mechanisms, I'm not here to contribute to the left's insanity. I'll leave that to you and your obvious sock puppet friends. Is it an aspirational goal of the left? Absolutely. Whether you choose to see that or not is not my concern. The left have trashed every city they control, they now are looking to trash the rest outside their (current) control. Every law they pass, or every judicial overreach from the bench serves to further that agenda. 

Good old Portland Oregon is living with this BS almost everyday, Wheeler soicalist central is hitting new heights...This will be his last term the old true liberals are not to happy with him, he has become somewhat of a embarrassment..One could say he is looking for a safe haven in the socialist/progressive movement..

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-feds-stay-inside-or-leave

 

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

No need to define the mechanisms, I'm not here to contribute to the left's insanity. I'll leave that to you and your obvious sock puppet friends. Is it an aspirational goal of the left? Absolutely. Whether you choose to see that or not is not my concern. The left have trashed every city they control, they now are looking to trash the rest outside their (current) control. Every law they pass, or every judicial overreach from the bench serves to further that agenda. 

Generally, if you find a conspiracy you expose it in order to eliminate it.

If you have knowledge of it and don't say anything then you are a co-conspirator.

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Hydroxychloroquine no doubt, while you're publicly bad mouthing it here. Just like a lib

No, but I did ask my pharmacist if she had any in stock.  She does.

 

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8 hours ago, crazy trip said:

I live in NYS, where the left have passed bail reform laws which are a disaster for the law abiding among us, have defunded the NYPD to the tune of $1,000,000,000,  have legalized infanticide, have declared us a sanctuary state, have issued driver’s licenses to illegals, have passed the SAFE ACT which heavily restricts my constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment, have seriously trampled on my property rights with the creation of the Adirondack Park Agency and is $6,000,000,000 in the hole (even before the Covid Panic) all while being the second highest taxed state in the country. So yea Trump is hitting the nail right on the head with his short, and for some, hard to understand sentences.

^^^ Bot

 

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8 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Generally, if you find a conspiracy you expose it in order to eliminate it.

If you have knowledge of it and don't say anything then you are a co-conspirator.

I said something. Not my job to educate everyone all the time. 

To your second point, here's something that happened to a friend of mine. He was an energy trader and figured out that Enron was screwing everyone. He made trades that capitalized on that knowledge. Later when the SEC had egg all over their face for not knowing what was going on with Enron they came down hard on him, using an argument exactly like yours. Since he hadn't reported it he was part of it. His company paid the fine and he wasn't allowed to trade anymore. He quit, sued everyone and made bank. That was a crap argument by the SEC. 

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Shit the US lost today, Brazil #1 in deaths.

 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Enthalpic

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On 7/12/2020 at 5:48 PM, Hotone said:

Here in Malaysia, just like many Asian countries, everyone wears the 3 ply surgical masks when going out and about.  They are single use only and disposed immediately.  Each mask costs about 15 US cents when purchased in a pack of 50, and they are widely available in all the shops and even restaurants.  I wonder what is the price of 3 ply masks in your location and are they readily available?

Much more expensive $.50-$1 each where I'm at. Theres no national coordination so the market is taking it's cut. They should be giving them away at every large store/mall/workplace for free. If you want people to mask up, give them masks.