Rational analysis of CV19 from Harvard Medical School

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On 8/1/2020 at 7:46 PM, Yoshiro Kamamura said:

Dr. Fauci deals with 0R0, BLA -style pseudoscience, clearly demonstrating the difference between a real scientist and a fake one.

 

 

Four Chinese doctors living here, discussing everything from the horrid treatment of the doctors referenced in the Trump tweet (purely political), to the falsifying of positive results of hcq treatment (political and economic) to the paucity of Covid cases in countries where hcq is routinely administered (proving its efficacy as a prophylactic) to the blatant CCP propaganda operations (they don't want US to have a treatment).

We'll see how highly placed the CCP trolls are here by how quickly they work to have this video removed from YouTube. 

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7 hours ago, Hotone said:

Why see the hand of the CCP in everything?  The Chinese and the CCP are a lot less sophisticated than you fear.    

The CCP didn't suddenly show up and start funding the expansion of Marxist and global corporatist narratives. Those were both leftover operations of Soviet intelligence that supported old international Marxist movements dating back to before WWI.

The CCP was always involved to some extent in the global Marxist movement. As it grew, it increased its support and extended its intelligence operations, strengthening these old Soviet and domestic movements and securing their domination of the social sciences at universities and their bullying of alternate viewpoints into silence with political correctness and other mob attacks on people's expression. They proceeded to do the same within journalism, and within corporations doing business or seeking to do business in China. Corporations were led to stop their executive's support to institutions not supportive of CCP narratives, and to forbid expression of  criticism of the CCP or its favored narratives.

It is hard to separate how much of these movements is domestic in origin, or directly operated out of Beijing, or out of the international socialist progressives at the core of the Democratic party and its many partners in corporations that have been working hard on creating a world government since the time of president Woodrow Wilson. Particularly

The CCP narratives are embedded into the :"education system" as they took over control and direction of the old Soviet intel and propaganda machine that had receded, allowing locals to operate without them.

The environmental movement is a geopolitical imperative of the Chinese to allow it access to resources while denying it for Western economies. Note that China is not usually criticized for its major pollution as it is by far the largest source of any pollutantant you can imagine.

The anti-fracking and other supply side anti-fossil fuel production is a Russian propaganda effort using the same Soviet network of influence within the new left that has remained active and that was not entirely captured by China.

China and Russian narratives are not that different, otherwise.

The corporate wish list of freedom from liability, unelected and easily bought off bureaucrats that can enforce their monopoly arrangements, and much more, are motives for the corporate sector to support global government and the social movements that promote it, including international socialism. They do, after all, support the Marxist new left dominated narratives of the mainstream media with advertising. It is the fake social justice narrative that the corporations support at the moment, actually pulling ads from Facebook because it allowed alternative viewpoints to the WHO arm of global government, or criticism - reasoned or racist, to the BLM and Antifa actions which are utterly fake social movements advocating unequal treatment by the law as per BLM, or unchecked mayhem and destruction and erasure of American history and its figures..

The CV19 scary pandemic and BLM narratives and their rabid support by China Dems and corporate actions indicate a commonality of purpose and target. These are all components of "the swamp" that Trump wants to take down and expose through the legal system. Their originator of narratives is China's CCP, which wants to eliminate the economic and geopolitical threat of the US actively engaging it in an economic and military war.

It is a delusion on the part of the corporations that they would actually get something else from Dems, since the leadership does not have the control it believes it has and they would lose Congress if they don't continue with the China war. It is also a delusion that China has something to offer but a decade of slow grinding Italian style decline followed by 30 years of steep decline. Corporations are aligned on the wrong side, and their historic ascendance in the income distribution of the global economy is at an end regardless of which president or govt. format is in the US. The economic problem they face is caused by the fewer Chinese babies over a period of 40 years of decline. No policy would reverse it.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

It is hard to separate how much of these movements is domestic in origin, or directly operated out of Beijing, or out of the international socialist progressives at the core of the Democratic party and its many partners in corporations that have been working hard on creating a world government 

Indeed, blaming CCP for everything is downright stupid.

FYI the democratic party is also of domestic origin as is the corporatocracy that rules most of the US.

Your problems are mostly home-made...

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18 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Indeed, blaming CCP for everything is downright stupid.

FYI the democratic party is also of domestic origin as is the corporatocracy that rules most of the US.

Your problems are mostly home-made...

So long as the CCP narratives are followed by Dems and tech and other companies and aggressively acted out by Antifa and co. while Dem local gov. stands down police, then it is a CCP effort and the followers and promoters of the narratives are being influenced or directed by the CCP or its partners. China is the pillar of the New Left Marxism today and over the last 2-3 decades, so is a primary cause and driver. It is most certainly its fault.

That you have fallen for so much of the CCP's claptrap is a display of lack of critical thinking on your behalf. You have displayed far stronger reasoning and argument. Don't be lazy about it. It may cost you your future. Because one thing that is demographically predestined is that China will not remain as important in the future as it is now.

Their demographic cliff is a round trip of the active population to 1960 levels by as early as 2050. The good thing being that after losing 40% of their arable land, they might be able to feed themselves.

The brighter lower red line is the actual tracking of births shifted into the age group corrected for over reporting. That is the line copied into the forward groupings of the peak population of the China boomers.

Blue is the peak spending group of 30-50

Green is the peak savings group of 45-60 or 65

Grey is the retirement group 60-80

The rectangular boxes mark the peak plateau.

Women are 95% of men due to prenatal gender selection favoring boys.

The spending wave has started its decline already, and the savings wave declines in 2035, The center of the savings cohort passes retirement age in 2025, when the net retirement savings vs. draw runs through 0 on the way to negative numbers.

China as neither a production base, consumer market nor capital source - as it would be by 2030, is no place to conduct business, or invest. Thus it is neither an attractive trade partner for anyone. The overcapacity built to supply the growing Chinese population's consumption crossed over to negative growth margins in 2014.

The CV19, social destabilization and racial war narratives of China and its allies in the US, are a hard break from reality of the future, where the West in general would do better being unexposed to China's inefficient production capacity. Their zombie industries get infinitely refinanced while competing with Western business and employees having to meet profitability requirements and stay financially afloat, even during the CV19 crisis, despite huge Fed and govt. money. Thus pressing incomes and gaining share in markets they must eventually lose when their workers retire, leaving the world with unstaffed abandoned industrial capacity in China and bankrupt mothballed or disassembled ind. capacity in the West. The better endpoint for the West is achieved by cutting off China now rather than later, while China is only buying time for its soon to retire employees with returning to export led growth - now at a loss.

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Well now that trump admits that the 1000+/day and over 160,000 dead is Real perhaps more here will agree with their beloved leader.

"They are dying, that's true. It is what it is."

-trump

 

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Trump wants more cases so he can brag that the deaths per case is lower.

"Lower than the world."   Wow the US has fewer deaths than the world!

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16 hours ago, 0R0 said:

So long as the CCP narratives are followed by Dems and tech and other companies and aggressively acted out by Antifa and co. while Dem local gov. stands down police, then it is a CCP effort and the followers and promoters of the narratives are being influenced or directed by the CCP or its partners. China is the pillar of the New Left Marxism today and over the last 2-3 decades, so is a primary cause and driver. It is most certainly its fault.

That you have fallen for so much of the CCP's claptrap is a display of lack of critical thinking on your behalf. You have displayed far stronger reasoning and argument. Don't be lazy about it. It may cost you your future. Because one thing that is demographically predestined is that China will not remain as important in the future as it is now.

Their demographic cliff is a round trip of the active population to 1960 levels by as early as 2050. The good thing being that after losing 40% of their arable land, they might be able to feed themselves.

The brighter lower red line is the actual tracking of births shifted into the age group corrected for over reporting. That is the line copied into the forward groupings of the peak population of the China boomers.

Blue is the peak spending group of 30-50

Green is the peak savings group of 45-60 or 65

Grey is the retirement group 60-80

The rectangular boxes mark the peak plateau.

Women are 95% of men due to prenatal gender selection favoring boys.

The spending wave has started its decline already, and the savings wave declines in 2035, The center of the savings cohort passes retirement age in 2025, when the net retirement savings vs. draw runs through 0 on the way to negative numbers.

China as neither a production base, consumer market nor capital source - as it would be by 2030, is no place to conduct business, or invest. Thus it is neither an attractive trade partner for anyone. The overcapacity built to supply the growing Chinese population's consumption crossed over to negative growth margins in 2014.

The CV19, social destabilization and racial war narratives of China and its allies in the US, are a hard break from reality of the future, where the West in general would do better being unexposed to China's inefficient production capacity. Their zombie industries get infinitely refinanced while competing with Western business and employees having to meet profitability requirements and stay financially afloat, even during the CV19 crisis, despite huge Fed and govt. money. Thus pressing incomes and gaining share in markets they must eventually lose when their workers retire, leaving the world with unstaffed abandoned industrial capacity in China and bankrupt mothballed or disassembled ind. capacity in the West. The better endpoint for the West is achieved by cutting off China now rather than later, while China is only buying time for its soon to retire employees with returning to export led growth - now at a loss.

Demographics is king. The wealthy nations aren't reproducing enough to maintain their culture and the developing nations are reproducing so rapidly they're driving themselves into perpetual penury. What will the currency of the future be based upon? The value of US currency, beyond the "full faith and credit if the United States government" lies in its easy exchange for goods and services here and around the world (largely thanks to the petrodollar).

One value of American currency often overlooked is our real estate. I'm not talking about office buildings and shopping malls, but the McMansions in beautiful manicured suburbs. From the perspective of aliens (original meaning, not little green men) the suburbs and exurbs of this country are magical kingdoms. I've been in the houses and apartments of extremely wealthy people in multiple countries over the years. Often the villas sit like an oasis in a desert of sprawl and poverty. Beautiful houses and gardens surrounded by high walls and concertina wire. Private security backed by the local police, who are "tipped" weekly to supplement their incomes and let them know where their loyalties lie. How they must marvel at the McClusky video. First the tiny wall and gate that was easily broken down (only ornamental?) second the lack of police protection (forgot to pay them off?). But they would have recognized the house if not the lawn. Just like home, among the poverty and filth. 

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18 hours ago, 0R0 said:

So long as the CCP narratives are followed by Dems and tech and other companies and aggressively acted out by Antifa and co. while Dem local gov. stands down police, then it is a CCP effort and the followers and promoters of the narratives are being influenced or directed by the CCP or its partners. China is the pillar of the New Left Marxism today and over the last 2-3 decades, so is a primary cause and driver. It is most certainly its fault.

That you have fallen for so much of the CCP's claptrap is a display of lack of critical thinking on your behalf. You have displayed far stronger reasoning and argument. Don't be lazy about it. It may cost you your future. Because one thing that is demographically predestined is that China will not remain as important in the future as it is now.

Their demographic cliff is a round trip of the active population to 1960 levels by as early as 2050. The good thing being that after losing 40% of their arable land, they might be able to feed themselves.

The brighter lower red line is the actual tracking of births shifted into the age group corrected for over reporting. That is the line copied into the forward groupings of the peak population of the China boomers.

Blue is the peak spending group of 30-50

Green is the peak savings group of 45-60 or 65

Grey is the retirement group 60-80

The rectangular boxes mark the peak plateau.

Women are 95% of men due to prenatal gender selection favoring boys.

The spending wave has started its decline already, and the savings wave declines in 2035, The center of the savings cohort passes retirement age in 2025, when the net retirement savings vs. draw runs through 0 on the way to negative numbers.

China as neither a production base, consumer market nor capital source - as it would be by 2030, is no place to conduct business, or invest. Thus it is neither an attractive trade partner for anyone. The overcapacity built to supply the growing Chinese population's consumption crossed over to negative growth margins in 2014.

The CV19, social destabilization and racial war narratives of China and its allies in the US, are a hard break from reality of the future, where the West in general would do better being unexposed to China's inefficient production capacity. Their zombie industries get infinitely refinanced while competing with Western business and employees having to meet profitability requirements and stay financially afloat, even during the CV19 crisis, despite huge Fed and govt. money. Thus pressing incomes and gaining share in markets they must eventually lose when their workers retire, leaving the world with unstaffed abandoned industrial capacity in China and bankrupt mothballed or disassembled ind. capacity in the West. The better endpoint for the West is achieved by cutting off China now rather than later, while China is only buying time for its soon to retire employees with returning to export led growth - now at a loss.

And the only way CCP can counter that is advocating for people in US & allies to be lazy and less productive or getting poorer without savings or spending and depend more in high tax big central governments to maintain their current situation.

This April , Vietnam Minister encouraged youngsters to get married before 30 and have babies ASAP. He suggested higher contributions to local social programs with people who get married late or stay single. This is not a drill. 

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22 hours ago, 0R0 said:

So long as the CCP narratives are followed by Dems and tech and other companies and aggressively acted out by Antifa and co. while Dem local gov. stands down police, then it is a CCP effort and the followers and promoters of the narratives are being influenced or directed by the CCP or its partners. China is the pillar of the New Left Marxism today and over the last 2-3 decades, so is a primary cause and driver. It is most certainly its fault.

That you have fallen for so much of the CCP's claptrap is a display of lack of critical thinking on your behalf. You have displayed far stronger reasoning and argument. Don't be lazy about it. It may cost you your future. Because one thing that is demographically predestined is that China will not remain as important in the future as it is now.

Their demographic cliff is a round trip of the active population to 1960 levels by as early as 2050. The good thing being that after losing 40% of their arable land, they might be able to feed themselves.

The brighter lower red line is the actual tracking of births shifted into the age group corrected for over reporting. That is the line copied into the forward groupings of the peak population of the China boomers.

Blue is the peak spending group of 30-50

Green is the peak savings group of 45-60 or 65

Grey is the retirement group 60-80

The rectangular boxes mark the peak plateau.

Women are 95% of men due to prenatal gender selection favoring boys.

The spending wave has started its decline already, and the savings wave declines in 2035, The center of the savings cohort passes retirement age in 2025, when the net retirement savings vs. draw runs through 0 on the way to negative numbers.

China as neither a production base, consumer market nor capital source - as it would be by 2030, is no place to conduct business, or invest. Thus it is neither an attractive trade partner for anyone. The overcapacity built to supply the growing Chinese population's consumption crossed over to negative growth margins in 2014.

The CV19, social destabilization and racial war narratives of China and its allies in the US, are a hard break from reality of the future, where the West in general would do better being unexposed to China's inefficient production capacity. Their zombie industries get infinitely refinanced while competing with Western business and employees having to meet profitability requirements and stay financially afloat, even during the CV19 crisis, despite huge Fed and govt. money. Thus pressing incomes and gaining share in markets they must eventually lose when their workers retire, leaving the world with unstaffed abandoned industrial capacity in China and bankrupt mothballed or disassembled ind. capacity in the West. The better endpoint for the West is achieved by cutting off China now rather than later, while China is only buying time for its soon to retire employees with returning to export led growth - now at a loss.

Population inversion is a problem in the US and Canada too, we will have way too many retirees than worker bees soon.

Canada is fairly pro-immigration, and awesome, so people will come.

 

We don't want China to feed themselves... they buy food from north America.

 

"Fighting age males" is an out-of-date concept when wars are fought with drones and computers.

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On 8/4/2020 at 4:46 AM, Wombat said:

That is just charming. I hope someone finds you and helps you RIP?

 

On 8/4/2020 at 4:38 AM, Wombat said:

I find it amazing that was tolerated. If I had a gun, and someone tried to shine a powerful laser in to my eyes, I would use it! If not allowed to use my gun, I would quit the job, which I hear is exactly what many police are doing.

Of course when you people are faced with problems, frustrations, inconveniences or disagreements, you will resort to extreme violence.  It's in your DNA. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/blocked-gun-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-379452

I hope that you will at least leave behind a manifesto before you go on your spree.  We don't want another case of Stephen Paddock where the victims grieve without the closure of knowing why.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Hotone

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55 minutes ago, Hotone said:

 

Of course when you people are faced with problems, inconveniences and disagreement, you will resort to extreme violence.  It's in your DNA. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/23/blocked-gun-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-379452

I hope that you will at least leave behind a manifesto before you go on your spree.  We don't want another case of Stephen Paddock where the victims grieve without the closure of knowing why.

Let's get together in person sometime. Since you're not a believer that my rights don't end where your nose begins, I'll be happy to demonstrate my one inch punch to said nose.  I'm equally certain, given your laissez faire attitude towards self defense that you'll not engage in self defense, as if you could. 

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10 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Let's get together in person sometime. Since you're not a believer that my rights don't end where your nose begins, I'll be happy to demonstrate my one inch punch to said nose. 

I'm game tough guy.

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

Population inversion is a problem in the US and Canada too, we will have way too many retirees than worker bees soon.

Canada is fairly pro-immigration, and awesome, so people will come.

 

We don't want China to feed themselves... they buy food from north America.

 

"Fighting age males" is an out-of-date concept when wars are fought with drones and computers.

It is just a convenient chart of the demographic grouping of the boomers. It is not about warfare.

The material thing is how the grouping goes up 140% and back down to where it was 80 years ago in the next 80 years, while the Western population is largely stable. German Italian Spanish Korean Russian demographics are slightly worse than China. But the US and Canada's boomers are not as giant a leap over the baseline. There was a far smaller capacity built up for the Western baby boom, but in China it was built for a more than doubled population, and that will need to be abandoned due to a lack of demand as that population declines back to where it had been. Western population, though older, remains stable.

From a geopolitical perspective, importing food means you need to have value added exports, or foreign investment flows, same for oil and gas and other commodities. So not only a one sided issue.

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Okay, so li-meng-yan-was telling the same thing about WHO and Hydroxychloroquine like many of  us here. Unless she risked her life going to the US to help Trump.

Source:http://covexit.com/whistleblower-dr-li-meng-yan-comments-the-global-politics-of-hydroxychloroquine-says-she-takes-the-drug-for-prevention/

Whistleblower Dr Li-Meng Yan Takes Hydroxychloroquine as Prevention

Whistleblower Li-Meng Yan appeared this July 30 on Ep 308 of the War Room Pandemic, hosted by Steve Bannon and Jack Maxey.

She explains the role of hydroxychloroquine, how it is used in China among high-ranking officials, and how she herself takes it.

Dr Li-Meng Yan received her MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University, China, and her PhD from Southern Medical University, China. 

At the time of the COVID-19 pandemic she was employed at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, Hong Kong University, conducting research specialized in virology and immunology.

She is one of the first scientists who worked on the coronavirus in Wuhan, back in December last year. She said she warned very early on her superiors about the grave dangers posed by human to human transmission, but her warnings were not taken into consideration.

She flew Hong Kong and is now in hiding in the US.

Here are key excerpts of what Dr Li-Meng Ya said on the program.

“Hydroxychloroquine of course is not a magic drug. There is no magic drug in the world. But in such urgent situation, when faced with a global public health crisis, we should consider the situation and try to find a comparable useful and effective drug to save people’s lives.” 

>>  FDA Commissioner Stresses Doctor Patient Relationship; Ohio Lifts HCQ Rule, while Most States Maintain Restrictions

“There are no CCP high-level officers, including our chairman, our vice-chairman and all these people, they don’t get infected. Also, as our intelligence shows in the military hospital and in some big hospitals,  doctors also take this drug. That’s why they can get protected. …”

“This drug at this moment can save thousands of thousands of lives. Why there are such big obstacle to stop using it?”

“Let me talk back about the mechanism of HCQ. I’m sure Dr F.  is a medical doctor and he has known that since back to 2005 this drug

has been used to show as effective for anti-SARS.”

“When we talk about the enhanced version of SARS-COVID-2, why you cannot use it to prevent it?”

“Anti-malaria treatment and also prevention has shown that HCQ is a long-term use and safe drug even for pregnant ladies and children for long-term use, just considering the safe dose.”

“Of course, Dr F. has talked about the evidence. Let’s talk about scientific evidence, from the mechanism to anticipate

the cytokine storm. And also prevention to how these drugs can be applied as a safe drug for long-term use.” 

“If you come back to check the clinical data that have been shown pro HCQ or against HCQ, as a doctor, as a scientist, it’s not difficult for people to realize which side has better scientific quality.” …

>>  Steve Bannon Calls Upon President Trump to Win the Hydroxy War - “The Stakes Could Not Be Higher”

“I can tell you, for myself, I take it as prevention every day now.”

Co-host Jack Maxey comments at that point:

“I can tell you as myself i’ve been doing that since February 2.  So have my 85 year old parents. My mother now says she’s never going to stop taking it because her rheumatoid arthritis has been cured but this is something that is just unbelievable to me and we’ve seen this around the world this idea that this has … uh … problems with the heart that it causes toxicity” 

“But the World Health Organization, we’ve covered this before, did a study in 2017 that looked at almost five million courses of this dosage in Africa, and could find almost no mortality no drug has side effect.”

And Dr Li-Meng Ya to further comment:

“All drugs have side effects. You cannot find a drug without side-effect. You know, water has side effect.”

And Maxey to conclude the segment with:

“She’s absolutely right. I can guarantee you, more people die from liver problems from Tylenol every year in America than from hydroxychloroquine.”

In a next segment, Dr Dr Li-Meng Ya indicates again that hydroxychloroquine is used by high ranking officials and some medical doctors in big and military hospitals. 

>>  America’s Frontline Doctors Summit Attracts Huge Interest, and More

But she says that information has definitely not reached everyone in mainland China, including medical staff and other high risk staff.

“Because what the Chinese government, the WHO and their colleagues try to do: they want the people to believe there are no drugs for COVID-19, no good drugs.”

“If you know this, how could they get the funding … for vaccine development and all these things …” 

“That’s why they try to cover it up, try to mislead people, even if we lose a lot of people’s lives.”

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On 8/6/2020 at 11:44 AM, Ward Smith said:

Let's get together in person sometime. Since you're not a believer that my rights don't end where your nose begins, I'll be happy to demonstrate my one inch punch to said nose.  I'm equally certain, given your laissez faire attitude towards self defense that you'll not engage in self defense, as if you could. 

Of course gun violence is very much a part of your culture and you have every right to practise it.  You can join your friend on a spree in the good ole USA. Just don't export your violence and do it elsewhere. And remember to leave your manifesto.

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On 8/1/2020 at 3:19 AM, Enthalpic said:

Newton was smart but dabbled in whichcraft, alchemy (philosophers’ stone), and died a virgin.

I bet ol’ Isaac could spell ‘witchcraft’ correctly...😂

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41 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Of course gun violence is very much a part of your culture and you have every right to practise it.  You can join your friend on a spree in the good ole USA. Just don't export your violence and do it elsewhere. And remember to leave your manifesto.

Not accurate. Gun violence is part of a select group of criminally minded people within our population. Those so inclined arm themselves legally to protect themselves from this portion of society.

Countries with strict firearm laws still contain a criminal element which is armed. As the saying goes, ‘when you outlaw guns, only outlaws (criminals) will have guns’.

Look at Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, etc....

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47 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Of course gun violence is very much a part of your culture and you have every right to practise it.  You can join your friend on a spree in the good ole USA. Just don't export your violence and do it elsewhere. And remember to leave your manifesto.

So Malaysia has no gun violence even though it is illegal for a private citizen to own a firearm, any component of a firearm or any ammunition?

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12 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

I bet ol’ Isaac could spell ‘witchcraft’ correctly...😂

Sorry, my Satanic vernacular isn't as sharp as yours; remember I'm not a member of your cult. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

So Malaysia has no gun violence even though it is illegal for a private citizen to own a firearm, any component of a firearm or any ammunition?

#trumpLogic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Enthalpic

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37 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Not accurate. Gun violence is part of a select group of criminally minded people within our population. Those so inclined arm themselves legally to protect themselves from this portion of society.

Countries with strict firearm laws still contain a criminal element which is armed. As the saying goes, ‘when you outlaw guns, only outlaws (criminals) will have guns’.

Look at Chicago, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, etc....

You are right, of course.  I was only having a dig at that old guy who started it first.  I am sure that there are many places which are totally safe in America.  E.g. one of my ex colleague lives in Wisconsin (sometimes) and his in laws are salt of the earth type people. It's so safe, that they keep the keys inside their cars. But their community is terrified of venturing to other parts of the country for safety concerns.

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18 minutes ago, Hotone said:

You are right, of course.  I was only having a dig at that old guy who started it first.  I am sure that there are many places which are totally safe in America.  E.g. one of my ex colleague lives in Wisconsin (sometimes) and his in laws are salt of the earth type people. It's so safe, that they keep the keys inside their cars. But their community is terrified of venturing to other parts of the country for great of safety

Well if you are doing a heist you not only leave the keys in, you back in the truck and leave it running.

I live in Oil Country.  Everyone knows you are required to back your truck into its space so you can quickly evacuate the poison cloud or fire you made. Stealing from a bank or mother nature, same plans.

 

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50 minutes ago, Hotone said:

You are right, of course.  I was only having a dig at that old guy who started it first.  I am sure that there are many places which are totally safe in America.  E.g. one of my ex colleague lives in Wisconsin (sometimes) and his in laws are salt of the earth type people. It's so safe, that they keep the keys inside their cars. But their community is terrified of venturing to other parts of the country for safety concerns.

And I'll bet your ex-colleague from Wisconsin and his in-laws have guns in their home.  Could you check and let us know?

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Sweden got gun control which didn't help:

"Twenty people have been killed in 163 shootings in the first six months of 2020, according to police figures. In 2019, there were 42 deaths in 334 reported shootings."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/03/outcry-in-sweden-after-12-year-old-girl-killed-by-stray-bullet

If you cannot stop the drugs illegal trafficking , you cannot stop the illegal weapon trafficking. And how do control 3D printed gun? Gun control only has effect on law abiding citizens. Most of crimes occur from the big cities, where there is lots of illegal immigrant, homeless people, section 8 houses so the criminals can blend in. Unusual behaviors have lots of attention in small communities. 

You can check for neighborhood safe or not in the US: 

https://spotcrime.com/

For registered sex offenders around you:

https://www.familywatchdog.us/Default.asp

 

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5 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Well if you are doing a heist you not only leave the keys in, you back in the truck and leave it running.

I live in Oil Country.  Everyone knows you are required to back your truck into its space so you can quickly evacuate the poison cloud or fire you made. Stealing from a bank or mother nature, same plans.

 

That requirement to back into your parking spot was fist issued by the HSE department of a service company. Obviously they thought this was a significant improvement in safety, had nothing to do with operations, and assumed drivers could only back the vehicle safely when arriving, not departing.

Yet again another huge step in safety promulgated by HSE departments trying to justify their existence.