Trump Suggests Delaying Election Amid Fraud Claims

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21 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Immortal dictator?

He really posts this stuff and some of you eat it up like it is good.

 

Yet it never bothers you that Xi or Putin are basically REAL DICTATORS for life!

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13 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Yet it never bothers you that Xi or Putin are basically REAL DICTATORS for life!

I don't like it; but it is legal in their systems, no?

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So far any Trump did since 2016 election is within his power in constitutional and legal, he will still have his supporters unless he did some thing against it. 

In the contrary many in the opposite side has done more illegal and anti constitution, without any punishment. Hillary got the email problem which was investigated and dropped  by FBI and later on FBI spied on Trump team. 

So in one side China can do anything even against human right if they claimed legal and then  other leaders are okay with that, while in US polices are blamed for their legal actions (the illegal actions will be brought to justice) and the others illegal actions to counter that is acceptable?

Would you want to live in a system like that in the future just because you hate Trump's personality or worrying about dictatorship in the US, with his age?

Even some dictatorship were good for their countries in desperate time: Taiwan, Korea, Singapore etc. but 1st none of these dictators share the socialism view. Dictatorship is never a good idea for big and powerful countries or lots of natural resources.

Edited August 6, 2020 by SUZNV

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18 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

So far any Trump did since 2016 election is within his power in constitutional and legal, he will still have his supporters unless he did some thing against it. 

In the contrary many in the opposite side has done more illegal and anti constitution, without any punishment. Hillary got the email problem which was investigated and dropped  by FBI and later on FBI spied on Trump team. 

So in one side China can do anything even against human right if they claimed legal and then  other leaders are okay with that, while in US polices are blamed for their legal actions (the illegal actions will be brought to justice) and the others illegal actions to counter that is acceptable?

Would you want to live in a system like that in the future just because you hate Trump's personality or worrying about dictatorship in the US, with his age?

Even some dictatorship were good for their countries in desperate time: Taiwan, Korea, Singapore etc. but 1st none of these dictators share the socialism view. Dictatorship is never a good idea for big and powerful countries or lots of natural resources.

Trump was impeached.

Hillary and Obama are old news.

Now we have people defending dictatorships?

 

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Can small hands even be a Dicktator? 

 

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25 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

 worrying about dictatorship in the US, with his age?

 

 

Ever heard of a Monarchy?  Bush family?

Edited August 6, 2020 by Enthalpic

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52 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

 

Ever heard of a Monarchy?  Bush family?

I heard of Monarchy, who wouldn't? And how long does it take to build one for Monarchy or Bush Family? One of the fastest way are from military career, maybe the fastest was Napoleon, 10 years. Should you worry about Trudeau, Biden, Clinton, Bush, Kennedy  than Trump?

I don't like any form of full life pursue of political careers. In fact we should have a minimum age for entering politics, and it should be at least 45. And the maximum time for politicians should stop at retirement age. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by SUZNV

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

On 8/1/2020 at 8:56 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

I am not experienced in any manner with Canadian guidelines im quite they patterned the US after the housing debacle....The amount of fraud done by illegal immigrants was almost numbing...it would be shocking if this country disclosed how many dead old texans bought houses.....3/5 at a crack. This i will give make no mistakes ok give me a second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

 

Ahh found it...the greatest story ever untold...well damm close

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/hud-debunks-false-statistic-about-how-many-bad-mortgages-illegal-immigrants-hold

Southern Poverty Law Center? That's no source. The Yaeger study was fundamentally flawed because they only looked at mortgages held by CRA banks, not those originated there. Why is this an issue? Because as anyone who knows anything about the economic disaster caused by the response to CRA regulations, bankers didn't want to hold that toxic debt. They dumped it on unsuspecting dupes.

The MBA's got together and figured out a way to bundle a large tranche of sketchy debt, then used statistical legerdemain plus the complicit enabling of one of the few AAA credit rated firms to guarantee those mortgage backed securities, making them supposedly AAA rated. Greenberg would never have allowed the company he created to have its hard earned rating whored out like that, but thanks to Bullshit prosecution by Spitzer, he was gone and the kiddies running one of the biggest insurance companies in the world managed to run it into the ground, along with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, plus numerous other collateral damages. 

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1 hour ago, SUZNV said:

So far any Trump did since 2016 election is within his power in constitutional and legal, he will still have his supporters unless he did some thing against it. 

In the contrary many in the opposite side has done more illegal and anti constitution, without any punishment. Hillary got the email problem which was investigated and dropped  by FBI and later on FBI spied on Trump team. 

So in one side China can do anything even against human right if they claimed legal and then  other leaders are okay with that, while in US polices are blamed for their legal actions (the illegal actions will be brought to justice) and the others illegal actions to counter that is acceptable?

Would you want to live in a system like that in the future just because you hate Trump's personality or worrying about dictatorship in the US, with his age?

Even some dictatorship were good for their countries in desperate time: Taiwan, Korea, Singapore etc. but 1st none of these dictators share the socialism view. Dictatorship is never a good idea for big and powerful countries or lots of natural resources.

Two points. First this is excellent analysis by an admitted foreigner to our process. Like de Tocqueville, you've seen clearly to the meat of the matter from your outside perspective. 

Demoncrats are all about power. Like Stalin, they understand that who votes does not matter, but rather who counts the votes. In every situation where Demoncrats control the levers of power, there is no chance in hell they get unseated. This is why we have garbage strewn hellhole cities across the country where Demoncrats have been in power continually for over 70 years. You truly believe those citizens of Detroit are so thrilled with their elected officials that they can't wait to put them back in office, so they can continue their rampant corruption? They vote against them, but those votes are never counted. This is the Democratic Party, power first, second and third. Taking care of their citizens? Hah! 

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Southern Poverty Law Center? That's no source. The Yaeger study was fundamentally flawed because they only looked at mortgages held by CRA banks, not those originated there. Why is this an issue? Because as anyone who knows anything about the economic disaster caused by the response to CRA regulations, bankers didn't want to hold that toxic debt. They dumped it on unsuspecting dupes.

The MBA's got together and figured out a way to bundle a large tranche of sketchy debt, then used statistical legerdemain plus the complicit enabling of one of the few AAA credit rated firms to guarantee those mortgage backed securities, making them supposedly AAA rated. Greenberg would never have allowed the company he created to have its hard earned rating whored out like that, but thanks to Bullshit prosecution by Spitzer, he was gone and the kiddies running one of the biggest insurance companies in the world managed to run it into the ground, along with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, plus numerous other collateral damages. 

Yes it is Ward...notice the greatest story untold.It is good of you to point out the reality of what happened. Try to find a source that points out to the millions of loans on microfiche files that were lost...original documents...just poof up in smoke. Actually i would like to openly tell a story of what happened...but it would seem to incredible to believe.so a fairytale comes to mind...

Imagine a common laborer owning 3 homes two of them were cosigned loans...made possible only due to the fact one could write in there income rather than having to prove it thru tax returns or thru verifiable employers wage statements..those with tax id numbers. And those other two homes...well rental property incomes to mind..or signing a friend up who lacked the proper beacon score...Networking at its finest and quite industrious...millions and millions of happy customers until one day...there credit lines were maxed out...the American dream was over 

Once upon a time there was a very racist term for these types of loans....They were called No Down Brown loans...question the authenticity of the stated income and you were a racist..Ask for down payment and you were a racist....

Would it not be interesting to open up the auto industry finances...you see they are not subject to public disclosure like a bank is....however did fail terribly...They too used beacon based credit approvals...and stated income... and yes they failed epicly.

And along comes Obama into a broken financial system fundamentally changing America....and change he did...Given a Nobel Peace Prize...for what again?

2016 pulls forward and out of nowhere the US has a new vision a new party order...a new leader. Born in the fire of controversy...vilified every turn, actually impeached by one party in a two party system...When all things fail...covid takes a toll. Again we face a broken system faced with presidential election again..one the rumored villain and the other...the second in charge to the previous administration....Only in fairy tale's do things of such proportion occur. Or history you be the judge.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/23/bank-of-america-countrywide-guilty-fraud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

Edited August 6, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Once upon a time there was a very racist term for these types of loans....They were called No Down Brown loans...question the authenticity of the stated income and you were a racist..Ask for down payment and you were a racist....

Now we're supposed to be racist, because we were born white.  How convenient...

Sorry to interrupt your discussion.  Back to lurking now...

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22 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I don't like it; but it is legal in their systems, no?

Sure, when you are a dictator you just change the rules to fit your desires. 

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12 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump was impeached.

Hillary and Obama are old news.

Now we have people defending dictatorships?

 

An impeachment is no different than any other accusation. It must be proven, it wasn't. As the saying goes, " You can impeach a ham sandwich". You appear to only be concerned with the false charges against President Trump and just fine with Obama and his minions' seditious acts to overthrow his administration. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

An impeachment is no different than any other accusation. It must be proven, it wasn't. As the saying goes, " You can impeach a ham sandwich". You appear to only be concerned with the false charges against President Trump and just fine with Obama and his minions' seditious acts to overthrow his administration. 

I really don't care much about his Russian thing. I worry about his new crimes.

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5 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Sure, when you are a dictator you just change the rules to fit your desires. 

I think my mother, rest her soul, believed in that form of governance in our house!   

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Dictatorship can exists in many forms, a ruler (Saudi), a party (China) , multiple parties (Russia). As long as government has enough control of people lives, votes and think (via media or social network). Without a solid voting system that is hard to be hacked and less dependent on government, 2 Parties can fake Democracy and take turns when they have enough control of the people, by bureaucracy. Why is dictator Putin worse than dictator Xi and Russia is worse than China? Both can legally rules their countries until retirement. I am sure dictator always do things legally in their countries. 

Their is no line to recognize the different between dictatorship by the people's will ( just keep being voted by people until their retirement like Lee Kuang Yew or Mahathir or even Merkel) and dictatorship that fake everything in votes in a fake democracy system (Putin). The only thing we can observe how good is how the country advance. In small countries it is very normal to have no term limits. There is no resource to support corruption while the country still thrive.

Lee Kuang Yew, a Singapore "dictator", cried when Singapore was rejected as part of Malaysia and now its GDP surpassed Malaysia. How many politicians in democracy countries from North America to EU truly for their people?

 

Edited August 7, 2020 by SUZNV

[ronwagn + 6,290]

If Biden wins and Demoncrats gain control of both houses we may soon be a virtual dictatorship by your definition. They are very adept at using the levers of power to increase their control. Republicans have been very poor at that because it was never their goal to undermine the American system. 

If we face a government which seeks to ignore our Constitutional Rights then there will be a rebellion or hundreds of rebellions and many ways and means of opposition. The government will not be allowed to take away our rights without using the legal processes outlined in our Constitution. That requires an overwhelming agreement by the vote of the states passing amendments. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment

Edited August 8, 2020 by ronwagn