Dan Warnick + 6,100 August 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Pay attention to what is about to evolve...a republic is by far different than a democracy...Hint: The needs of the whole rather than the needs of the many. While that may seem a contradiction in terms it is a profound way to govern. To that point it is the only democratic Republic on this Earth. It is sad that a intellect such a van Eck will no longer expound on such matters. His depth was astounding. I'll second that and send some smoke signals out to our old friend @Jan van Eck to see if he'd grace us with his take on your comment and the system as a whole, although we know he prefers a monarchy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff August 16, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 2:17 PM, 0R0 said: To turn the question, do you believe any number of years of Biden/Harris would do any better? The policies they suggest would make worse every item the US population marked as a concern. And the existential threat to the world at large from China would not be addressed by Biden as it was not addressed by Obama, during who's term, China had the resurgence of the hardliner CCP leadership, the creation of the Xi dictatorship and massive security breaches into all civilian and military tech.companies with massive technology theft. The actual question, considering how intertwined the Dem narrative and the CCP's are, whether there is any choice other than Trump that would not end up with the US being attacked with its own technology. man, you are warped. you cannot post anything without claiming China to be an existential threat. you should be running for office with the other Trump lunatics. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0R0 + 6,251 August 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, frankfurter said: man, you are warped. you cannot post anything without claiming China to be an existential threat. you should be running for office with the other Trump lunatics. China itself as its official public position declared the country a civilian military unity to achieve its military goals which include specific items threatening to all countries, and it continues its campaign of intimidation and bribery to shut down the voicing of opposing and critical opinions outside of China. Thus it is an existential threat to humanity at large, not only its own people. Those are things that are causes of war. Trump has actually been an obstacle to the US dealing with China properly because of his hope to secure a mutually beneficial trade arrangement. Once it became clear that China uses trade as a military strategic tool, what remains is to detach from the CCP's avenues of conducting war. Meaning, trade - particularly technology, diplomatic contact and financial flows. So long as any of those serve a CCP military strategic aim, they simply should not be. If you want China to do well then do your part to disenfranchise the CCP and dismantle its power structure. Help your people before the CCP leads them to an outright shooting war. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff August 16, 2020 8 hours ago, 0R0 said: China itself as its official public position declared the country a civilian military unity to achieve its military goals which include specific items threatening to all countries, and it continues its campaign of intimidation and bribery to shut down the voicing of opposing and critical opinions outside of China. Thus it is an existential threat to humanity at large, not only its own people. Those are things that are causes of war. Trump has actually been an obstacle to the US dealing with China properly because of his hope to secure a mutually beneficial trade arrangement. Once it became clear that China uses trade as a military strategic tool, what remains is to detach from the CCP's avenues of conducting war. Meaning, trade - particularly technology, diplomatic contact and financial flows. So long as any of those serve a CCP military strategic aim, they simply should not be. If you want China to do well then do your part to disenfranchise the CCP and dismantle its power structure. Help your people before the CCP leads them to an outright shooting war. "China itself as its official public position declared the country a civilian military unity to achieve its military goals" ? You can refer to a publication to support your view? re Trade. uh, why would Trump sign 'phase 1' if it were not beneficial to the US? China has not banned any US company in China, nor ordered any US company to sell its assets at a fire sale: yet, Trump has done so to Chinese companies in the US. so who threatens whom? re military. read General Smedly, war is a racket. He outlines clearly why and how the US uses its CIA and military to threaten, invade, sanction, and beat other countries into submission. To date the list is very long: all of Central and South America; Africa; south east Asia; Balkans; Middle East. China has not attacked any country. so who threatens whom? You know nothing of Diego Garcia? It was never US sovereign territory, yet the US used it for nuclear testing. Literally destroying and radiating it for the next 1000 years. Complete murder of the indigenous people. China has never done similar. so who threatens whom? the list of 'murcan atrocities is very very long. your views are anything but objective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 16, 2020 I didn’t always agree with Tom or Jan, but enjoyed their insightful commentary. Well, the weekend is almost gone, so, so am I. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites