The Beginning of a New Era in China Relations

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,554]

5 minutes ago, Marcin2 said:

Comrade you are doing exactly what Chinese Ministry of Propaganda expects from you : keep underestimating China and its ability of R&D ( about ARM future )

Because you do it inadvertently CCP even do not have to pay you !

Well said there is some foundation to China's R&D...It would seem there hard work has paid huge dividends...somewhere north of say 400 billion a yr..Outstanding!

https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html#:~:text=So just how much damage,billion and %24600 billion annually."

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20 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Well said there is some foundation to China's R&D...It would seem there hard work has paid huge dividends...somewhere north of say 400 billion a yr..Outstanding!

https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/23/technology/china-us-trump-tariffs-ip-theft/index.html#:~:text=So just how much damage,billion and %24600 billion annually."

China only spends about 2% of GDP that is 280 billion dollars on R&D. But of course you can argue that wages in China are lower so they get a bigger bang for a buck.

Taking pure PPP relation under consideration you can get north of 400 billion dollars.

Underestimating this is what CCP propaganda wants.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Marcin2
Typo

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21 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Diversity! Excuse my lack of insight.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,554]

1 hour ago, Marcin2 said:

China only spends about 2% of GDP that is 280 billion dollars on R&D. But of course you can argue that wages in China are lower so they get a bigger bang for a buck.

Taking pure PPP relation under consideration you can get north of 400 billion dollars.

Underestimating this is what CCP propaganda wants.

I do believe there is a translation issue here, let me clean that up a smidge. My own personal interpretation of China's RD development would be more aptly  coined intellectual property procurement division....by any means necessary.

Can there be a case made for theft of intellectual property...but of course comes to mind.

As in most matters it is called perception, are you aware that there are some people who put earrings on a pig and proclaim brilliance.

Never mind  a pig is still just ...a pig.

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,554]

54 minutes ago, specinho said:

Outsighting now that might merit some thought. It is a perception thing, outsighting and the value of such a action? LMAO give me time on that commentary.

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CCP's propaganda since Xi were never about Deng's guideline anymore. The propaganda nowadays concentrated in bluffing that China will catch up and surpass US in technologies for these purposes:

1 Using the 1.4 billion growing fast market to trap foreign investments and technologies and borrow money.

2 To keep their satellites in orbit.  If China is in the rising and US is in the sinking, then choose your friends wisely for the your future and don't think that US gonna protect you.

3 To make their allied parties in oversea to have an excuse to selling out their countries's interest, which is "China is unstoppable and nothing we can do" or in the US :"we should be friend with the rich and powerful to keep the peace, and to be friends, we have to ignore the bad side of each other".

4 To give hope and pride to people in China in CCP leadership in many years of corruptions and human right crimes. People will only raise up if they see no hope in the current system.

One indicator is CCP target in meeting 40% of their chips demand in 2025 but their growth from 2014 to 2019 only from 15.1% to 15.7%.

If ARM China detaches from  ARM, the only benefit is that they can keep the profits from ARM current pattern but there would be consequences: 

1 ARM ownership is UK-Japan joint venture. This will make these countries heed the call from the US. Many other companies will have kept an eye on their other partnership in China.

2 Their would be fierce competition in R&D in new ARM versions between China, home brewing talents, local market vs ARM international talents pools and international markets. 

I think they just buy time to use ARM China as hostage so current US administration will not put a meaningless ARM sanction on them.

If one day China decided to cut the tie with the US to catch up and surpass and developed domestically, this mean they will need to compete R&D not with the US alone but Apple, Intel, AMD, Samsung, TSMC etc. and guess who is more efficient in managing funds, talent pools and markets with a better reputation? At that moment their oversea branches is meaningless. It is will likely they even lose top talents. US has no hostages so they can go trade war with max level. How much money & talents they need to catch up let along to surpass all of the guys above. 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hisilicon-engineers-leaving

While China propaganda in how powerful they are, US in the contrary didn't use their power as leverage and constantly being took advantages off as if there is a competition that world politicians love to slap at US president as a demonstration of their powers and criticized even when US redeployment their troop while internally we have a lots of US citizen despite their history and culture and think they suffer because they were born in the US, advocating for their votes. That is the bad side of individualism.  That why most people through main stream windows will see US as a declining power rotten from within and China rising power is unstoppable.

Did we see any article that US is a great nation and China will never can catch up with us? It is interesting as I see this election will be a good test for the individualism in crisis to test my theory.

Edited August 25, 2020 by SUZNV

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bizarre and/or demented? what has Chinese citizenship to do with anything? unless, people wish to apply? 

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16 hours ago, frankfurter said:

bizarre and/or demented? what has Chinese citizenship to do with anything? unless, people wish to apply? 

Frank you have routinely criticised the US government on our immigration policies, while the US is accepting over 1 million new citizens per year. China accepts about 0.0000000001% per year based on that article. That assumes some kind of linear annual acceptance of those 1000 actually granted citizenship. 

But let's face it, there are "citizens" and there are citizens in China. Wrong province and now you're in the wrong city trying to make a living? You're a Chinese citizen from Anhui but you're in Shinzen? You're not allowed to own property and you have to get annual "permission" to remain there with a work permit, which can be revoked at any time for any reason. Time to pay off those police and CCP operatives, just to receive slave wages. 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Frank you have routinely criticised the US government on our immigration policies, while the US is accepting over 1 million new citizens per year. China accepts about 0.0000000001% per year based on that article. That assumes some kind of linear annual acceptance of those 1000 actually granted citizenship. 

But let's face it, there are "citizens" and there are citizens in China. Wrong province and now you're in the wrong city trying to make a living? You're a Chinese citizen from Anhui but you're in Shinzen? You're not allowed to own property and you have to get annual "permission" to remain there with a work permit, which can be revoked at any time for any reason. Time to pay off those police and CCP operatives, just to receive slave wages. 

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Frank you have routinely criticised the US government on our immigration policies, while the US is accepting over 1 million new citizens per year. China accepts about 0.0000000001% per year based on that article. That assumes some kind of linear annual acceptance of those 1000 actually granted citizenship. 

But let's face it, there are "citizens" and there are citizens in China. Wrong province and now you're in the wrong city trying to make a living? You're a Chinese citizen from Anhui but you're in Shinzen? You're not allowed to own property and you have to get annual "permission" to remain there with a work permit, which can be revoked at any time for any reason. Time to pay off those police and CCP operatives, just to receive slave wages. 

China and human rights are a oxymoron..https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/09/09/eradicating-ideological-viruses/chinas-campaign-repression-against-xinjiangs

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On 8/24/2020 at 9:29 AM, SUZNV said:

If one day China decided to cut the tie with the US to catch up and surpass and developed domestically, this mean they will need to compete R&D not with the US alone but Apple, Intel, AMD, Samsung, TSMC etc. and guess who is more efficient in managing funds, talent pools and markets with a better reputation? At that moment their oversea branches is meaningless. It is will likely they even lose top talents. US has no hostages so they can go trade war with max level. How much money & talents they need to catch up let along to surpass all of the guys above. 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hisilicon-engineers-leaving

There is no way to catch up unless competitors completely fall apart and progress outside of CCP grinds to a halt.

How do you make up decades of R&D just to catch up while competitors who might as well be from the future, are still racing ahead. That Tom's hardware article is a death rattle.

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13 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Frank you have routinely criticised the US government on our immigration policies, while the US is accepting over 1 million new citizens per year. China accepts about 0.0000000001% per year based on that article. That assumes some kind of linear annual acceptance of those 1000 actually granted citizenship. 

But let's face it, there are "citizens" and there are citizens in China. Wrong province and now you're in the wrong city trying to make a living? You're a Chinese citizen from Anhui but you're in Shinzen? You're not allowed to own property and you have to get annual "permission" to remain there with a work permit, which can be revoked at any time for any reason. Time to pay off those police and CCP operatives, just to receive slave wages. 

you are woefully misinformed, or choose to be.  

 

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10 hours ago, frankfurter said:

you are woefully misinformed, or choose to be.  

 

 who to believe, the 100's of Chinese i know personally, or the paid wumao internet CCP troll? 🤣

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

 who to believe, the 100's of Chinese i know personally, or the paid wumao internet CCP troll? 🤣

The Chinese people you know sure, but not you personally. You are a conspiracy ridden joke. Follow Tom to AlternativeFacts.net

 

How much does trump pay you?  Obviously if he is paid for his views, you must be paid for yours... or does that only work for CCP trolls not trump trolls?

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Enthalpic

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