ronwagn + 6,290 August 23, 2020 (edited) On 8/22/2020 at 7:13 AM, NickW said: Same arguments made for a universal postal system. Without regulation many remote areas would have little or no service. https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/usps-drones-mail-delivery They just need to charge extra for remote delivery. https://www.dronezon.com/drones-for-good/drone-parcel-pizza-delivery-service/ Edited August 23, 2020 by ronwagn added reference 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, ronwagn said: That is not the way it started out. It was mainly first class mail. That is rarely needed not Private industry can do it a lot cheaper. How did a 3 cent stamp go to a fifty cent stamp in my lifetime? More likely private industry has cherry picked the best parts leaving the statutory obligations to the USPS along with the liabillty. Has the US Govt ever completely contracted out the entire postal service for a region to the private sector? Thats the only way you can prove the private sector can do it more economically. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, ronwagn said: https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/usps-drones-mail-delivery They just need to charge extra for remote delivery. https://www.dronezon.com/drones-for-good/drone-parcel-pizza-delivery-service/ That won't meant the statutory obligations of providing a uniform nationwide service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 23, 2020 Statutes can be changed, I am sure. Think about the original cost of a stamp in 1835. It would be over $1.20 today. It is now 55 cents. We should raise the cost to match that inflation. Problem solved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_postage_rates https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1863 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 August 24, 2020 22 hours ago, ronwagn said: That is not the way it started out. It was mainly first class mail. That is rarely needed not Private industry can do it a lot cheaper. How did a 3 cent stamp go to a fifty cent stamp in my lifetime? Jay can probably tell you how you are actually saving money on that and they will have it perfected soon! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 25, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 5:20 PM, Jay McKinsey said: Seems red state Iowa's grid had problems in a storm as well: Iowans are hurting': 75,000 still don't have power one week after derecho; governor requests $3.9B https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/17/iowa-weather-derecho-power-governor-kim-reynolds/5600117002/ 75,000 versus millions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 25, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 3:27 PM, NickW said: More likely private industry has cherry picked the best parts leaving the statutory obligations to the USPS along with the liabillty. Has the US Govt ever completely contracted out the entire postal service for a region to the private sector? Thats the only way you can prove the private sector can do it more economically. Keep the USPS for first class mail and special delivery only. Offer it MWF only except possibly special delivery. That is all people really need from the government, if that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 25, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 3:29 PM, NickW said: That won't meant the statutory obligations of providing a uniform nationwide service. Please provide a reference. You are an expert on postal law apparently. You seem to think that a statute cannot be changed also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, ronwagn said: Please provide a reference. You are an expert on postal law apparently. You seem to think that a statute cannot be changed also. No I don't Of course statutes can be changed but only for the future at a given point in time - they dont retrospectively change the past. To date the statutory mail provider has carried the liability of statutory undertakings while the private sector has cherry picked out the more profitable parts. This will have had a negative impact on the USPS as the profitable parts previously would have cross subsidised the less profitable parts of the business. https://legalbeagle.com/4794110-united-states-postal-laws.html Universal postal services (and later telecoms) were set up to facilitate nationwide communications which were advantageous to Countries like the USA to help develop the more remote interior areas of the Country. Otherwise people would gravitate back to the big population centres. Similar issues for the UK especially when it had an Empire. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, NickW said: No I don't Of course statutes can be changed but only for the future at a given point in time - they dont retrospectively change the past. To date the statutory mail provider has carried the liability of statutory undertakings while the private sector has cherry picked out the more profitable parts. This will have had a negative impact on the USPS as the profitable parts previously would have cross subsidised the less profitable parts of the business. https://legalbeagle.com/4794110-united-states-postal-laws.html Universal postal services (and later telecoms) were set up to facilitate nationwide communications which were advantageous to Countries like the USA to help develop the more remote interior areas of the Country. Otherwise people would gravitate back to the big population centres. Similar issues for the UK especially when it had an Empire. Alaska wants to keep the same service as Rhode Island for the same price. https://www.ktuu.com/2020/08/21/postmaster-general-has-alaska-bypass-mail-in-cost-cutting-sights/ This is what they will get due to politics, but it is only a side issue. The main issue is the vast majority of the mail is not first class and is in fact "junk mail" that people just throw away. That is one big issue, the other thing is six day delivery when MWF would do just fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194 August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ronwagn said: Alaska wants to keep the same service as Rhode Island for the same price. https://www.ktuu.com/2020/08/21/postmaster-general-has-alaska-bypass-mail-in-cost-cutting-sights/ This is what they will get due to politics, but it is only a side issue. The main issue is the vast majority of the mail is not first class and is in fact "junk mail" that people just throw away. That is one big issue, the other thing is six day delivery when MWF would do just fine. "junk mail" is how the USPS afforded its high wages all these decades. Amount of Junk mail has vastly decreased due to the internet coupons etc and same reason newspapers have all gone. This is why USPS is even a problem. Likewise number of paper bills is vastly decreased due to online banking, and now we have the USPS with gigantic burden of golden parachute retirement benefits, and little revenue. UPS/FEDEX/DHL are doing well because of the internet and why Brick & Mortar retailers are hurting. USPS tried to get into packages, but REFUSED to deliver them due to the union REFUSING to get off their ASS and walk to a door as most of their senior delivery drivers were fat and out of shape. End result? Who the hell wants to go to post office all the time for packages? NO ONE. Guess what? UPS/FEDEX/DHL would have zero problems delivering the mail. Especially if one went with reality and only delivered mail every other day or twice a week unless you PAY for quicker delivery. Do bills need fast delivery? No. Do letters? No. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 26, 2020 9 hours ago, ronwagn said: Alaska wants to keep the same service as Rhode Island for the same price. https://www.ktuu.com/2020/08/21/postmaster-general-has-alaska-bypass-mail-in-cost-cutting-sights/ This is what they will get due to politics, but it is only a side issue. The main issue is the vast majority of the mail is not first class and is in fact "junk mail" that people just throw away. That is one big issue, the other thing is six day delivery when MWF would do just fine. Thats the basis of a universal national postal service Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 September 9, 2020 From September 9th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites