10 Chinese in top 20 longest metro systems. 1 is from US (New York).

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And Washington DC metro  is at 21st place.

Just another information about future Chinese domination of this planet.

(for all of those that follow Ministry of Propaganda directions and underestimate China)

China has 20-30 large cities, and US has 3 (New York, Los Angeles and Chicago).

860 million people live in cities in China.

260 million people live in cities in US

(country with 2nd largest number of people living in developed cities).

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7 years ago: in 2013,

there were 4 Chinese (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzen) systems in top20 and

there were 4 American (New York, Washington D.C. , Chicago and San Franciso ) systems in top 20.

 

China just goes forward in development with remarkable speed.

Its domination is at the moment visible mainly in infrastructure and manufacturing,

but they fast go up the value chain.

What makes them ultimately winners and hegemons in any industry which they master are 5 things:

- pro- development industrial policies,

- largest domestic market that backs industries in their nascent phase,

- clustering of supply chains because World Factory: competitive in cost terms and fast prototyping,

- very fast scaling up the manufacturing: today prototype, in 1 month 1,000 , and in 6 months 1,000,000

- unlimited pool of skilled workforce.

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2 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

7 years ago: in 2013,

there were 4 Chinese (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzen) systems in top20 and

there were 4 American (New York, Washington D.C. , Chicago and San Franciso ) systems in top 20.

 

China just goes forward in development with remarkable speed.

Its domination is at the moment visible mainly in infrastructure and manufacturing,

but they fast go up the value chain.

What makes them ultimately winners and hegemons in any industry which they master are 5 things:

- pro- development industrial policies,

- largest domestic market that backs industries in their nascent phase,

- clustering of supply chains because World Factory: competitive in cost terms and fast prototyping,

- very fast scaling up the manufacturing: today prototype, in 1 month 1,000 , and in 6 months 1,000,000

- unlimited pool of skilled workforce.

They are also moving very fast into 5G and the new technologies that go with it, e.g. V2X and electric robo buses and self driving cars.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Marcin2 said:

And Washington DC metro  is at 21st place.

Just another information about future Chinese domination of this planet.

(for all of those that follow Ministry of Propaganda directions and underestimate China)

China has 20-30 large cities, and US has 3 (New York, Los Angeles and Chicago).

860 million people live in cities in China.

260 million people live in cities in US

(country with 2nd largest number of people living in developed cities).

Easy to expand urban metro systems when there's non existent property rights, unlimited funding from state banks printing the money and autocratic government control. In this fine country every minor voice demands to be heard and if your house is in the path, you get to fight in court. In China you accept your fate or eat a bullet, and your family gets charged for it. 

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11 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Easy to expand urban metro systems when there's non existent property rights, unlimited funding from state banks printing the money and autocratic government control. In this fine country every minor voice demands to be heard and if your house is in the path, you get to fight in court. In China you accept your fate or eat a bullet, and your family gets charged for it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

In this fine country every minor voice demands to be heard and if your house is in the path, you get to fight in court. 

There is a lot of fighting in the US of late, not in court, but in many cases just outside.  It will get worse when protesters and counter protesters start to slaughter each other.  

RIP Anthony Huber.  I felt sad when I read the story.  At least the Black guys will get millions in compensation from the government.  But this White underclass guy gets slaughtered by White extremist for nothing. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Hotone

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3 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

And Washington DC metro  is at 21st place.

Just another information about future Chinese domination of this planet.

(for all of those that follow Ministry of Propaganda directions and underestimate China)

China has 20-30 large cities, and US has 3 (New York, Los Angeles and Chicago).

860 million people live in cities in China.

260 million people live in cities in US

(country with 2nd largest number of people living in developed cities).

This is not news. 

 

1 hour ago, Hotone said:

There is a lot of fighting in the US of late.  It will get worse when protesters and counter protesters start to slaughter each other.  

RIP Anthony Huber.  I felt sad when I read the story.  At least the Black guys will get millions in compensation from the government.  But this White underclass guy gets slaughtered by White extremist for nothing. 

Huber was trying to take away a weapon that was carried by a man fleeing from a mob. Rittenhouse was protecting a car lot that they were burning down. When the police are forced to stand down vigilantes will stand up. Looting, arson, and mass destruction are all illegal acts and must be answered with force or we encourage anarchy to be the norm in America. Rittenhouse has had the book thrown at him. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Easy to expand urban metro systems when there's non existent property rights, unlimited funding from state banks printing the money and autocratic government control. In this fine country every minor voice demands to be heard and if your house is in the path, you get to fight in court. In China you accept your fate or eat a bullet, and your family gets charged for it. 

You cannot use the train if your masters think you are not a good follower of the CCP. 

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Easy to expand urban metro systems when there's non existent property rights, unlimited funding from state banks printing the money and autocratic government control. In this fine country every minor voice demands to be heard and if your house is in the path, you get to fight in court. In China you accept your fate or eat a bullet, and your family gets charged for it. 

It is just information. China has metro in 39 cities. They are building 600-800 km a year, much more than the rest of the world combined. 100 times more than US yearly construction . Every 2 years China builds equivalent of all US metro systems. Every year China build 1.5-2 New York metro systems.

I do not judge the way metro is built. Metro just serves the needs of city dwellers.

I just wanted to show that China dwarfs any other country and many times all other countries combined in any area , any topic they are seriously engaged.

Another mind boggling number:

in July China  manufactured 93 million tons of steel, and the rest of the planet combined 60 million tons.

And exports are significantly decreased and imports are increased so on average Chinese net exports are about 2 million tons montly in 2020.

It means that this year China alone consumes 50% more steel than 195 other countries combined.

Soon they would have 1 billion people living in cities with first class infrastructure of all kind.

And they cherish education.

In my opinion no single country, especially comparatively as small as United States can act alone to protect itself from their domination.

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

You cannot use the train if your masters think you are not a good follower of the CCP. 

But the very  issue we are speaking about is that 1,405 million out of 1,410 million people do follow CCP and already embarked Chinese train to global hegemony.

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3 hours ago, ronwagn said:

You cannot use the train if your masters think you are not a good follower of the CCP. 

One of the things that happens when you're a subject and not a citizen. I think Musk plans on selling 1.4 billion of these to the CCP.

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-shows-neuralink-brain-implant-working-in-a-pig/

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1 hour ago, Marcin2 said:

But the very  issue we are speaking about is that 1,405 million out of 1,410 million people do follow CCP and already embarked Chinese train to global hegemony.

I don't see how you can make a direct extrapolation. From the tea leaves I'm seeing it's looking like blocks are forming that will lead to politically managed interaction between the blocks. There appears to be some loose confederation between Russia, China and Iran. As this structure is based on political whims not shared values, it won't stand the test of time. Russians and Persians are much too proud of peoples to be subsumed by the CCP. The US block is the usual players with less Germany (at this time), more Poland and a very loose, yet strengthening relationship with India and Vietnam. Old school domination will most likely be impossible for anybody as time progresses... until our AI overlords take over. 

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Very few demands for metro in US. Same with passengers for train because people rather drive inter-state or fly and rent the car.

1 Only 8.7% households in US don't own a car.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/auto-insurance/car-ownership-statistics

2 Metro need to be in a high density city to worth the investment.The list of top densities country in the world. The first US city that got high density is LA, rank 90th. You can see how many cities from China. May be the exception  is Vietnam and perhaps Indonesia big cities, most of the household use motorbike.  

http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/07/11/the-50-most-densely-populated-cities-in-the-world/39664259/

3 US Federal or  State Govs don't print money but Fed. Chinese Government print money.

About 5G and internet speed, it is very fast inside the Firewall but really slow outside of the firewall to the world,. They are kind of invest in more 4g-5g speed than broadband because the 4g-5g are important to track their citizens. With 4G-5G and broadband speed. 

The average speed rankings:

https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php

For a big and 360 millions population, US did not so bad in internet speed. 4G much faster then NZ even in crowded places.

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3 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

One of the things that happens when you're a subject and not a citizen. I think Musk plans on selling 1.4 billion of these to the CCP.

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-shows-neuralink-brain-implant-working-in-a-pig/

You are not far off, they are already using AI monitoring of students in Chinese classrooms.  

 

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7 hours ago, ronwagn said:

You cannot use the train if your masters think you are not a good follower of the CCP. 

Spoken by an ultra bigot who has never set foot in China. 

Comments like yours give justification for the label: bigoted, ugly American. 

 

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It is a very good thing China has evolved into such a world powerhouse. Finally the US can take them off the welfare dime and treat them like the full grown mature country they are.

Finally we can address our tired our poor, Finally China can address its tired and poor.

Truly a step forward for all of humanity.

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6 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

But the very  issue we are speaking about is that 1,405 million out of 1,410 million people do follow CCP and already embarked Chinese train to global hegemony.

That is a ridiculous claim IMO. 

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49 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It is a very good thing China has evolved into such a world powerhouse. Finally the US can take them off the welfare dime and treat them like the full grown mature country they are.

Finally we can address our tired our poor, Finally China can address its tired and poor.

Truly a step forward for all of humanity.

US should show respect to China by moving them to trade relationship with a developed country tier, not developing country tier.

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It is a very good thing China has evolved into such a world powerhouse. Finally the US can take them off the welfare dime and treat them like the full grown mature country they are.

Finally we can address our tired our poor, Finally China can address its tired and poor.

Truly a step forward for all of humanity.

China still has a lot of poor people.  After all, their GDP per capita is only a quarter that of the US. 

I wish for you that America would manage to address the needs of your tired and poor.  One of your biggest hurdle, I think is by pointed out by Wade Davis:

'The American cult of the individual, denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone.  All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care, personal safety. What every other democracy deems to be fundamental rights - universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed - America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.'

The tensions with America is forcing China to focus on their internal weaknesses.  In this respect, China is a much more collective society, and if properly mobilised, can achieve much.

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11 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

US should show respect to China by moving them to trade relationship with a developed country tier, not developing country tier.

My own opinion each and every country on this planet from this moment on needs the respect of A COUNTRY.

No more status, no more cuddling. Each corporate edidty goes offshore knowing they are on there own.

Look at what we have done to the ME, wealth is not given it is earned only when wealth is earned...is the time when respect is given.

 

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13 minutes ago, Hotone said:

China still has a lot of poor people.  After all, their GDP per capita is only a quarter that of the US. 

I wish for you that America would manage to address the needs of your tired and poor.  One of your biggest hurdle, I think is by pointed out by Wade Davis:

'The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone.  All must be prepared to fight for everything: education shelter, food medical care. What every other democracy deems to be fundamental rights - universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed - America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.'

The tensions with America is forcing China to focus on their internal weaknesses.  In this respect, China is a much more collective society, and if properly mobilised, can achieve much.

Do not get me wrong here, the US has lost its way thru globalization. Corporations are the issue, they are thee foundation of Socialism.

It is almost a crime van Eck is no longer here....he was evolving to the fundamental flaws of power in the hands of the few.

I have no doubts he struck a deep nerve with a certain wall street firm and was silenced.

As ORO pointed out, China has a whole new world to address with there own population. And no they cannot buy there way out. The sins of the father are coming due.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open

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7 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

It is just information. China has metro in 39 cities. They are building 600-800 km a year, much more than the rest of the world combined. 100 times more than US yearly construction . Every 2 years China builds equivalent of all US metro systems. Every year China build 1.5-2 New York metro systems.

I do not judge the way metro is built. Metro just serves the needs of city dwellers.

I just wanted to show that China dwarfs any other country and many times all other countries combined in any area , any topic they are seriously engaged.

Another mind boggling number:

in July China  manufactured 93 million tons of steel, and the rest of the planet combined 60 million tons.

And exports are significantly decreased and imports are increased so on average Chinese net exports are about 2 million tons montly in 2020.

It means that this year China alone consumes 50% more steel than 195 other countries combined.

Soon they would have 1 billion people living in cities with first class infrastructure of all kind.

And they cherish education.

In my opinion no single country, especially comparatively as small as United States can act alone to protect itself from their domination.

I thought mutually assured destruction was the final defense to domination. That’s why we can destroy the earth many times over. Just to make sure the other guy can’t win. 

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14 minutes ago, Boat said:

I thought mutually assured destruction was the final defense to domination. That’s why we can destroy the earth many times over. Just to make sure the other guy can’t win. 

MADD is the end all towards dominance

And you are correct inside of 1 hour the US nuclear triad would end any aggression on earth.

Only fools who like to play videos games or play analytical gymanastics indulge in such matters.

Perhaps that is why so many in this world hate Trump. He calls a spade a spade. 

Making fools of those who wish play a game of being relevant. Iran comes to mind...vanity and being slapped around does not settle well...SUCH IS LIFE.

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10 hours ago, Hotone said:

 

'The American cult of the individual, denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone.  All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care, personal safety. What every other democracy deems to be fundamental rights - universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed - America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.'

 

I heard  these every day. In every developed country from time to time will have some  politicians/news/experts saying something similar.

-My wife's cousin go to community college for free. Many of my friends went to community college to cut cost in first 2 years, then transfered  to a good university to save the money.  One of my high school friend is going to college again and got one more year but guaranteed a job in Amazon when graduated. If college educations are free for all, then everyone in the US may have a easy degree without job and it is a waste for public tax. Germany education is free because since middle school the head master will decide who go to school for workers and who go to school for engineer, doctors etc. In US that means you limit people's choices.

-Shelter: most of people with no income have shelters paid by state government, section 8. Most homeless people got substances abuse, mental disorders and their family kicked them out. Majority of homelessness sleep in Car or truck. 

I found these are similar to what I researched. Most normal people homeless state are temporarily. 70% out of that conditions after 2 years.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-it-like-to-be-homeless-by-choice

-Food: with current food stamps system. I cannot see how don't have access to food.But for nutrition deficiency in 2015, about 5000 of people die because of this. 4000 of them are above 75. Not that if you are old you deserve to die but above 75, many have problem with absorbing nutrition. 

-Personal safety, I would guess he means gun controls, with is not in the constitution.

-Universal health care: it is a very very complicated problem with pharmacy corporations lobby, hospital administration and Insurance. Obama Care made these got lots of profit with the rise in premium for normal working people. He should have the gut to deal directly with the trio first not by regulation forced on people and give these trio more subsidies. 

Secondly, you can have a system with lots of specialists and very expensive for a simple visit that may not needed but in return, you don't have to enter a very long queue for specialist or you have an army of free medical doctors with free treatment and people will die in waiting in the queue for specialists. In the later case, the statistics would be great. My dad's cousin is a cancer surgery doctor in Montreal and she have seen people would wait for 6 months for cancer surgery but somehow she could do the surgery on him first, but still it is just a temporary fix.

A group home may charge state gov for 800usd per person per day for all the treatment or healthcare service but the state pay for the renting for that elder 900usd a month.

There are a system that address the problems but as the hospital administration, insurance and pharmacy corporations get more and more greedy which make these more and more expensive. In some case, insurance makes a doctor have to charge to a much higher  amount (agreed price) but you can bypass it by paying cash directly and not go through insurance. Case by case and depends on the doctors and insurances' contracts. I think doctor cannot suggest that to you unless you ask. If you want something for free, fix the corrupt above first, otherwise it will create a big loophole in the tax system. This is somewhat similar to free college above. 

All of the above should be deal in state level because each state gov is responsible for their state. In expensive state, many part of the healthcare capacity depends on the property land price.

I lived in NZ for 15 years. I know what is the perception of others view on the US and I know perceptions of many US view on others. (Some of my friends ask me should they move to NZ and I gave them cons and pros,  the real estate price normally is the biggest blow). Most media/experts makes it sounds simple for their narrative or bashing but it is very very complicate matter and generally it is misleading.

The root of the problem in the US came from Government raise individual taxes to subsidies the big corporations (through lobby channels). All of the attempt to increase government spending on these and raise tax will make the matter worse, it will keep increasing taxes to no end. And most of these taxes hurt the middle near the poverty line the most. Politicians promised to increase tax on corporations or the riches will not help either. It is not that hard for them to dodge that or pass these on consumers. The only way to solve this is to ensure competitions between US corporations and make the best out of everyone single US citizen to sharpen their skills on the market, given that they have the ability to work. US should have less useless degrees as well, big waste.

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18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

This is not news. 

 

Huber was trying to take away a weapon that was carried by a man fleeing from a mob. Rittenhouse was protecting a car lot that they were burning down. When the police are forced to stand down vigilantes will stand up. Looting, arson, and mass destruction are all illegal acts and must be answered with force or we encourage anarchy to be the norm in America. Rittenhouse has had the book thrown at him. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/

They have started shooting back.  It seems a Trump supporter has been shot and killed in Portland by presumably a BLM supporter.  The score is 2-1. 

This type of skirmishing is nothing compared to what might happen if the election results gets contested.  I really hope that you guys can de-escalate.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Hotone