10 Chinese in top 20 longest metro systems. 1 is from US (New York).

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8 hours ago, Hotone said:

You are not far off, they are already using AI monitoring of students in Chinese classrooms.  

 

They call that progress, in commie-land.  I call it scary.  If I were still working in China and had my son in that school, I would withdraw him immediately and make urgent plans to leave the country.  Most Western bosses would understand and support such a decision, but if they didn't it would be time to leave them as well.

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7 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Do not get me wrong here, the US has lost its way thru globalization. Corporations are the issue, they are thee foundation of Socialism.

It is almost a crime van Eck is no longer here....he was evolving to the fundamental flaws of power in the hands of the few.

I have no doubts he struck a deep nerve with a certain wall street firm and was silenced.

As ORO pointed out, China has a whole new world to address with there own population. And no they cannot buy there way out. The sins of the father are coming due.

Where is @0R0 these days.  Don't tell me he has given up on the site as well.

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59 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

They call that progress, in commie-land.  I call it scary.  If I were still working in China and had my son in that school, I would withdraw him immediately and make urgent plans to leave the country.  Most Western bosses would understand and support such a decision, but if they didn't it would be time to leave them as well.

Many countries use intensive and high tech methods to train athletes.  These days, you can't produce world champions otherwise.  Likewise, modern farming also use intensive techniques.  E.g. cows in modern farms produce 3 or more times milk, and output for chicken meat farming and egg production is much higher.  

It will be interesting to see the results in a few more years.  Their system may produce students with high IQ, but that focus could affect other areas like EQ which is already lacking in Chinese students.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Hotone

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5 hours ago, Hotone said:

Many countries use intensive and high tech methods to train athletes.  These days, you can't produce world champions otherwise.  Likewise, modern farming also use intensive techniques.  E.g. cows in modern farms produce 3 or more times milk, and output for chicken meat farming and egg production is much higher.  

It will be interesting to see the results in a few more years.  Their system may produce students with high IQ, but that focus could affect other areas like EQ which is already lacking in Chinese students.

Kids are not athletes, farms, or animals, you dig?  Stress begins early enough in life.

What is EQ?

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1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

Kids are not athletes, farms, or animals, you dig?  Stress begins early enough in life.

What is EQ?

You will have to use intensive methods if you want to achieve high performance.  If you can do it for athletics, why not for studies?  In places like Singapore, some parents start sending their kids to classes when they are as young as 5 days old. 

Americans are competitive people but  complacent and full of entitlement when it comes to education.  If you are not willing to put in the sacrifices like the Chinese, why does America scapegoat China and call them evil for their economic and technological rise? 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html

EQ:https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence.  I have worked with some dumb Chinese people who are not able to understand things in context.  Maybe they're not deficient in EQ, but perhaps their social interactions and relationships are different in China.

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Hotone

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25 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Americans are competitive people but  complacent and full of entitlement when it comes to education.  If you are not willing to put in the sacrifices, why do you scapegoat China and call them evil for their economic and technological rise?

Pretty broad brush you're using there.  Most people I know, or am related to, are quite happy to put in the work and the studies.  We also believe in letting a child develop as and being a child.  No robot training regimen at least until Jr. High.  Having said that, we do make sure our children uphold their grades and are good students, not just by the books but also the way they are disciplined and interact with others.  Like I said, pretty broad brush you are using.  Singapore can be held up as a sort of shining example, but only to a certain extent, and then even Singaporeans may agree that they feel as though they are somewhat robotic and unable to think outside the box.  Not all, but most.

I don't scapegoat China.  I blame U.S. laws and companies that operate on corporate bonuses based on stock prices above all else.  These things have led to the vast mistakes they have made over the last 35-40 years.

I do call out China for operating against international law and norms with regards to IP theft, and currency and raw materials manipulations.  And no, if the U.S. is ever guilty of similar theft, I don't agree with that either.

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34 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Maybe they're not deficient in EQ,

What is the EQ you refer to?

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17 hours ago, Hotone said:

They have started shooting back.  It seems a Trump supporter has been shot and killed in Portland by presumably a BLM supporter.  The score is 2-1. 

This type of skirmishing is nothing compared to what might happen if the election results gets contested.  I really hope that you guys can de-escalate.

Conservatives have shown great restraint so far. Liberal cities are not where most of us live. When they get to cities like Kenosha they are going to get a lot more reaction. If they keep demeaning law enforcement officers LEO's the alliance between conservatives and LEO's will be solidified. That should be our chief goal right now. BLM and Antifa are helping reelect Trump , harming liberal politicians in blue states and worsening their own reputations. 

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On 8/31/2020 at 2:01 AM, Dan Warnick said:

Pretty broad brush you're using there.  Most people I know, or am related to, are quite happy to put in the work and the studies.  We also believe in letting a child develop as and being a child.  No robot training regimen at least until Jr. High.  Having said that, we do make sure our children uphold their grades and are good students, not just by the books but also the way they are disciplined and interact with others.  Like I said, pretty broad brush you are using.  Singapore can be held up as a sort of shining example, but only to a certain extent, and then even Singaporeans may agree that they feel as though they are somewhat robotic and unable to think outside the box.  Not all, but most.

Good on you and your friends and relatives.  There's much to be said for the traditional WASP upbringing.  My niece in the UK is a 5th (maybe 6th) continuous generation of her family to graduate from Cambridge (an Oxbridge degree has higher 'value' in Malaysia than Harvard).  However, not many people can go through public (which is actually private) schools and elite universities.  Maybe you and your friends, being on expat pay and benefits, can provide the best education and home environment for your children.  

For the rest of the masses, China's teaching methods produce good results.  Did you know that students from 4 developed provinces of China scored first in all categories of the PISA education rankings?  "On December 3, 2018, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) released the latest Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) results, testing 15-year-old students in math, reading and science every three years. And Mainland China was the big winner this time. In a total of 600,000 students from 79 countries and regions taking the exam in 2018, students in Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang (China) scored higher than the OECD and ranked №1 across the world.". They beat Singapore into second place.

http://ncee.org/2020/01/are-chinas-pisa-scores-believable-a-different-view/

https://fortune.com/2019/12/03/china-students-prisa-oecd-education-survey-smartest/amp/

As for complacency and entitlement, I was just quoting Elon Musk 😉

Edited September 4, 2020 by Hotone

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12 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Good on you and your friends and relatives.  There's much to be said for the traditional WASP upbringing.  My niece in the UK is a 5th (maybe 6th) generation graduate of Cambridge (an Oxbridge degree has higher 'value' in Malaysia than Harvard).  However, not many people can go through public (which is actually private) schools and elite universities.  Maybe you and your friends, being on expat pay and benefits, can provide the best education for your children.  

For the rest of the masses, China's teaching methods produce good results.  Did you know that students from 4 developed provinces of China scored first in all categories of the PISA education rankings?  "On December 3, 2018, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) released the latest Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) results, testing 15-year-old students in math, reading and science every three years. And Mainland China was the big winner this time. In a total of 600,000 students from 79 countries and regions taking the exam in 2018, students in Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang (China) scored higher than the OECD and ranked №1 across the world.". They beat Singapore into second place.

http://ncee.org/2020/01/are-chinas-pisa-scores-believable-a-different-view/

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2019/12/19/the-children-pisa-ignores-in-china/
 

There goes that brush again.  I graduated after 5 years of university, having been financially self-sufficient throughout.  That means I took jobs during the school terms and all summers to pay my own way.  Mom and Dad couldn't pay for it.  Everyone else I know did the same, unless they had a full academic scholarship, or some other type of financial aid.  My pay now allows my wife and I to send our child to a local semi-private school that is in some way affiliated with the Catholic Church (Not a religious study school; they don't even have a "worship" session.  Just a step better than plain public school, which was in fact all I got, albeit in the U.S. Midwest as opposed to Thailand, FWIW.).

For the rest of your story of super success for the Chinese, and others, I don't give a shit if they, their community, or the country does that; I, as a parent would not want that for my child unless he asked me for it directly.  Even then, I would need to judge if it was just peer pressure alone or peer pressure only as a contributing factor that made him want it.  Then I'd say we could get back together 15 years from now and see where those Chinese students are (nothing against them personally in any way) vs. where my son is.  I don't have the answer to who would be better off, but I'd bet on my son.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Dan Warnick

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On 8/31/2020 at 11:03 AM, ronwagn said:

Conservatives have shown great restraint so far. Liberal cities are not where most of us live. When they get to cities like Kenosha they are going to get a lot more reaction. If they keep demeaning law enforcement officers LEO's the alliance between conservatives and LEO's will be solidified. That should be our chief goal right now. BLM and Antifa are helping reelect Trump , harming liberal politicians in blue states and worsening their own reputations. 

https://www.facebook.com/112895570537214/posts/124141662745938/?sfnsn=mo&extid=goKYwnww1ClcNfag

BLM protesters trying to breach St. Francis hospital where two officers are fighting for their lives after being shot in an ambush.

"Y`all gonna die one by one" - Don't you think LEO's are going to be sitting ducks if you guys escalate? 

https://www.facebook.com/112895570537214/posts/124133916080046/?sfnsn=mo&extid=124KXp6Luu6Q4Cqc

There are many parts uploaded by this poster, which you can follow on Facebook.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Hotone

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9 hours ago, Hotone said:

On 8/31/2020 at 10:03 AM, ronwagn said:

Conservatives have shown great restraint so far. Liberal cities are not where most of us live. When they get to cities like Kenosha they are going to get a lot more reaction. If they keep demeaning law enforcement officers LEO's the alliance between conservatives and LEO's will be solidified. That should be our chief goal right now. BLM and Antifa are helping reelect Trump , harming liberal politicians in blue states and worsening their own reputations. 

https://www.facebook.com/112895570537214/posts/124141662745938/?sfnsn=mo&extid=goKYwnww1ClcNfag

BLM protesters trying to breach St. Francis hospital where two officers are fighting for their lives after being shot in an ambush.

"Y`all gonna die one by one" - Don't you think LEO's are going to be sitting ducks if you guys escalate? 

https://www.facebook.com/112895570537214/posts/124133916080046/?sfnsn=mo&extid=124KXp6Luu6Q4Cqc

There are many parts uploaded by this poster, which you can follow on Facebook.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hotone

Hotone, first you need to hear what Ron is saying, as in bold above.  Using words like "if you guys escalate" distorts reality.  What Ron, and I, mean is that we will defend ourselves.  We will not easily be rolled over when life and property are threatened or worse.  You can call people defending themselves "escalation" but I don't believe that defines reality.  That is the instigators acting innocent after provoking a response.  Something that seems to be in vogue right now.

Cowardly attacks on LEOs anywhere in the country will not go unpunished, and those that use the power of ambush now will be met with force from that day forward.  That is not a threat; threats come from those that instigate such reactions.