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8 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the Constitution is the law of America. No change can occur outside of the procedures outlined therein. If it is not followed it is up to the American people to see that the offenders are removed from power. 

Exactly. The point is that socialism is part of the American life and value from the very beginning. 

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1 hour ago, PTakacs said:

Exactly. The point is that socialism is part of the American life and value from the very beginning. 

Socialism is not a part of American life.  Social services, on the other hand, are a part of our lives.  Consider the following:

• OPINION
• THE VIRGINIA GAZETTE

Social welfare programs are not socialism

APR 20, 2018 AT 5:00 PM

I take no issue with Charles Misak's explanatory descriptions of capitalism and socialism but, nonetheless, I believe it necessary to elaborate on the subject as a result of his final comment that he is amazed "anyone would advance it (socialism) as a viable economic system."

I agree that socialism, as an economic system, has shown itself to be a failure. But I have observed that many of those who derogate socialism as a viable economic system make their comments in response to calls by those, primarily on the political left, for government sponsored social welfare programs. One example is a single-payer, universal healthcare system, i.e. healthcare financed by tax revenue and administered by the federal government.

Some critics of socialism state they are opposed to the Social Security system because of its socialist design when, in reality, most are opposed to paying the tax. Certainly, the overwhelming number of Americans defend Social Security vehemently. There is nothing wrong with the Social Security system that sensible eligibility and tax adjustments couldn't make right. Several recent polls show most Americans also desire a universal, single-payer healthcare system, and I fully believe that such will happen in the United States sooner rather than later.

My principal objective is to point out that the failure of socialism as an economic system, whereby government controls the means of production and distribution of all goods and services, does not logically mean that government-controlled social welfare programs are destined to be failures. Moreover, market economy opponents of such socialist programs often do not voice the slightest objection to very expensive government bailouts and subsidies to the banking industry, coal industry, steel industry, etc. This type of corporate welfare is a form of socialism - disguised and denied - but socialism nonetheless. I do not necessarily object to all such government handouts to various segments of our alleged free enterprises, but I do believe the health and welfare of the American populace is every bit as important as the health and welfare of our corporations, if not more so.

What amazes me is that so many allegedly educated and intelligent members of the American business community, as well as so many of our national politicos state, oppose universal, single-payer healthcare and the like because they smack of socialism when, in reality, they are opposed to paying the taxes necessary to finance them.

Are programs such as these expensive? You bet. Just ask the Danish Prime Minister who, I am virtually certain, would not advocate the termination of Denmark's generous social welfare programs. They are among the reasons Denmark can boast such a high standard of living. Denmark proves that a market economy can indeed exist alongside social welfare programs that are financed and operated by the national government. One gets what one pays for.

Louis Candell

Williamsburg

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9 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Socialism is not a part of American life.  Social services, on the other hand, are a part of our lives.  Consider the following:

• OPINION
• THE VIRGINIA GAZETTE

Social welfare programs are not socialism

APR 20, 2018 AT 5:00 PM

I take no issue with Charles Misak's explanatory descriptions of capitalism and socialism but, nonetheless, I believe it necessary to elaborate on the subject as a result of his final comment that he is amazed "anyone would advance it (socialism) as a viable economic system."

I agree that socialism, as an economic system, has shown itself to be a failure. But I have observed that many of those who derogate socialism as a viable economic system make their comments in response to calls by those, primarily on the political left, for government sponsored social welfare programs. One example is a single-payer, universal healthcare system, i.e. healthcare financed by tax revenue and administered by the federal government.

Some critics of socialism state they are opposed to the Social Security system because of its socialist design when, in reality, most are opposed to paying the tax. Certainly, the overwhelming number of Americans defend Social Security vehemently. There is nothing wrong with the Social Security system that sensible eligibility and tax adjustments couldn't make right. Several recent polls show most Americans also desire a universal, single-payer healthcare system, and I fully believe that such will happen in the United States sooner rather than later.

My principal objective is to point out that the failure of socialism as an economic system, whereby government controls the means of production and distribution of all goods and services, does not logically mean that government-controlled social welfare programs are destined to be failures. Moreover, market economy opponents of such socialist programs often do not voice the slightest objection to very expensive government bailouts and subsidies to the banking industry, coal industry, steel industry, etc. This type of corporate welfare is a form of socialism - disguised and denied - but socialism nonetheless. I do not necessarily object to all such government handouts to various segments of our alleged free enterprises, but I do believe the health and welfare of the American populace is every bit as important as the health and welfare of our corporations, if not more so.

What amazes me is that so many allegedly educated and intelligent members of the American business community, as well as so many of our national politicos state, oppose universal, single-payer healthcare and the like because they smack of socialism when, in reality, they are opposed to paying the taxes necessary to finance them.

Are programs such as these expensive? You bet. Just ask the Danish Prime Minister who, I am virtually certain, would not advocate the termination of Denmark's generous social welfare programs. They are among the reasons Denmark can boast such a high standard of living. Denmark proves that a market economy can indeed exist alongside social welfare programs that are financed and operated by the national government. One gets what one pays for.

Louis Candell

Williamsburg

What's the difference? "Socialism"  is just a word that everyone defines differently.  

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On 9/6/2020 at 6:12 PM, Jan van Eck said:

There is no evidence that he said that.  He does not seem to have that relationship with the US military. Indeed, Trump insisted on pay increases for the military in the last budget go-around.

For the rest, "Yoshi," I remind you yet once again that he is America's commander-in-chief, not my C-I-C.  I am not even a Trump supporter. He comes to the job with a lot of baggage.  That said, the other candidates  seem to be far worse.  From that perspective, Mr. Trump is suitable and capable.  What you do not seem to grasp is that the US duopoly political-party system tends to surrender to the extreme elements in each Party and then produces candidates outside the mainstream.  The US public is getting quite fed up with it all.  Do try to explain that to your political handlers back there in China-land. 

Even Bolton stated Trump never said such a thing.

Not many hate Trump more than Bolton.

Just when you think Democrats can not stoop lower they do.  

Expect one or two of these anonymous scandals a week between now and Nov 3.

I sense more voters might be gaining an understanding of Democrat "HELTER SKELTER" strategy of 

1. Divide the country

2. Create chaos

3. Trash the economy

4. Blame Trump

I hope the voters are coming around and see thru their lies

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BLA said:

Even Bolton stated Trump never said such a thing.

Not many hate Trump more than Bolton.

Just when you think Democrats can not stoop lower they do.  

Expect one or two of these anonymous scandals a week between now and Nov 3.

That's correct.

And you may note that Joe Biden is seen in video clips within that interview with John Bolton saying things like Trump will be the only President in modern times that will have higher unemployment rates than when he went in, while not mentioning the debilitating measures the Democrats have put in place and held there for no good reason.

Myself and others on here stated that we knew that is what the Democrats would do months ago.  Do not forget that we had it figured out then and that Democrats, or those that spout support for them and their so-called necessary lockdowns, state by state, said we were politicizing the virus.  No, we didn't politicize the virus; we could see that they were and we called it out.

Another thing the Dems are doing now is having someone ask them if they will trust a vaccine that Trump brings out.  AS IF any vaccine will be developed by Trump or whether the developers would bow to his pressure to get it out, dangers be damned.  We've said it before loud and clear: the Dems take facts and turn them around to push responsibilities for their own dangerous actions to others.  Intentionally, and as planned.

 

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4 hours ago, PTakacs said:

Exactly. The point is that socialism is part of the American life and value from the very beginning. 

Only what is in the Constitution has any legitimate legal standing. 

[Stephen T. Harris, CPL + 23]

Seems like there are a few posts that are directly from the CCP and its infiltrators.  The industry is global and there are many Chinese energy companies. However, unlike America and other western democracies, the Chinese state and its military run, manage and control all industries. I do not believe Biden and his surrogates as TV ads were professionally produced within hours after Goldberg released his drivel in the Atlantic (a magazine owned by Steve Jobs widow who is very far left and has contributed huge sums to the Biden campaign). McCain and Vietnam are old news, but there is one similarity. Vietnam caused our government to reinstate the draft, whereas our forces today are all volunteers. Chinese soldiers are all conscripted today.  Probably not more than 20% actually volunteered for Vietnam out of patriotism.  I wonder how many Chinese would volunteer. This Trump crack is just another manufactured hit for Labor day.  If Chinese energy professionals desire to post comments on an inherently American website, then show some respect and stay the hell out of our politics, lest we be reminded who was behind and supplied the Viet Cong and the North Koreans that cost so much American blood and treasure.   Since 1946, when has there been a democratically elected person in China? Not one case and it is now doubtful that Hong Kong will ever have another one.  As to OilPrice, folks there are many software programs that can easily identify ChiCom bots as well as other bad international actors. I think the investment would be justified.

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16 minutes ago, Stephen T. Harris, CPL said:

Seems like there are a few posts that are directly from the CCP and its infiltrators.

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As to OilPrice, folks there are many software programs that can easily identify ChiCom bots as well as other bad international actors. I think the investment would be justified.

Or, there are real people who dislike trump.

This forum is about oil, not necessarily pro-oil, and certainly is not meant to be a trump campaign website.

It's also an international forum.  

You think they want to cut off all traffic except 43% of the US?

 

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Respect for fallen soldiers? 

Dying is losing, and we know what he thinks about losers.

Watch it on repeat, it should make you sick if you are patriotic.

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14 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

 

 

Respect for fallen soldiers? 

Dying is losing, and we know what he thinks about losers.

Watch it on repeat, it should make you sick if you are patriotic.

Enthal your not even a U.S. citizen  . . .  you are Canadian.  What gives ?  Let me guess , you're a Justin Trudeau brown nose ?  Right ?

Remember the day before Trump made his comments about McCain , McCain did an interview with a journalist where McCain was promoting his friend Primary Candidate Lindsey Graham.  The reporter asked McCain about Trump running in the Primary.  .   .   .  .   McCain scoffed , " Trump is a Clown"

McCain showed destain and disrespect toward Trump a candidate.  Trump punched back.  

Trump shouldn't have questioned McCain's service .  .  .  He went a bit too far .   .   .   but McCain was asking for it.

When McCain ran against Obama , Obama trashed McCain.  McCain did nothing.  He just took the abuse and lost.

Another sore loser, sour grapes : McCain , Hillary , Romney , Kasich , 

Also, McCain fell for the fake "Russian Hoax" and at the request of Dems sent the info to the Justice Department.  He was a "useful idiot" for the corrupt Dems/media.  

End of story.

Brilliant diversion by Democrats to avoid Biden ever having to answer even a basic questions of his far left policy positions before election. 

Voters now taking notice.

Is the tide turning against Biden ?

Biden will not debate.  I'll put money on it.

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2 hours ago, BLA said:

 

Trump shouldn't have questioned McCain's service .  .  .  He went a bit too far .   .   .   but McCain was asking for it.

 

 

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Biden will not debate.  I'll put money on it.

A bit too far? 

He should have stuck to insulting McCain directly, not this "I prefer those who don't get captured. [] I don't like losers."  That is a disgusting insult.

 

How much money you wanna bet?  I'll take your money.

 

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

 

 

A bit too far? 

He should have stuck to insulting McCain directly, not this "I prefer those who don't get captured. [] I don't like losers."  That is a disgusting insult.

 

How much money you wanna bet?  I'll take your money.

 

How about a grand ?  $1000. (That's U.S. dollars)

Edited September 9, 2020 by BLA

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3 minutes ago, BLA said:

How about a grand ?  $1000.

Little high for a forum bet based on trust.

I'd do $100 USD ($132 CND).

To be clear, all Biden has to do is show up to a debate with trump and you lose.

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31 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Little high for a forum bet based on trust.

I'd do $100 USD ($132 CND).

To be clear, all Biden has to do is show up to a debate with trump and you lose.

OK $100

While I have you here can I ask you if you are OK with your Prime Minister Trudeau's BLACKFACE ?

Here in the states he would be considered  a bigot and racists.

How 'bout in Canada ?

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by BLA

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10 minutes ago, BLA said:

OK $100

While I have you here can I ask you if you are OK with your Prime Minister Trudeau's BLACKFACE ?

Here in the states he would be considered  a bigot and racists.

How 'bout in Canada ?

 

 

He got in a lot of crap for it.

[specinho + 475]

 

On 9/8/2020 at 10:50 PM, Dan Warnick said:

Socialism is not a part of American life.  Social services, on the other hand, are a part of our lives.  Consider the following:

Social welfare programs are not socialism

APR 20, 2018 AT 5:00 PM

I agree that socialism, as an economic system, has shown itself to be a failure. 

One example is a single-payer, universal healthcare system, i.e. healthcare financed by tax revenue and administered by the federal government.

My principal objective is to point out that the failure of socialism as an economic system, whereby government controls the means of production and distribution of all goods and services, does not logically mean that government-controlled social welfare programs are destined to be failures.

What are we having here? Socialism is communistic (residents in a community care for each other)  but social welfare or service is not?

It might just be a natural humanitarian aspect but not an economic system?? The skewed conditions from initial kind intention might be caused by misadministration due to personal needs or underinformed of why we do what we are doing by the elected....... ??

20 hours ago, Stephen T. Harris, CPL said:

 stay the hell out of our politics, lest we be reminded who was behind and supplied the Viet Cong and the North Koreans that cost so much American blood and treasure.  

What attracted the troupes to be sent there??

18 hours ago, BLA said:

McCain scoffed , " Trump is a Clown"

McCain showed destain and disrespect toward Trump a candidate.  Trump punched back.  

Trump shouldn't have questioned McCain's service .  .  .  He went a bit too far .   .   .   but McCain was asking for it.

When McCain ran against Obama , Obama trashed McCain.  McCain did nothing.  He just took the abuse and lost.

Another sore loser, sour grapes : McCain , Hillary , Romney , Kasich ,

It might be essential to know the person before we judge, right?? here's something for our reference.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

For his life experience, drafted to serve the country when he was young, captured, tortured and survived; elected as senator when he retired from military services until his last day....... nearly forty years as senator......... Mind me asking, how many years have you served your country as a soldier outside of your country? How many years have you served in government administrative office to grant you such comment about him??

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by specinho

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2 minutes ago, specinho said:

What are we having here? Socialism is communistic (residents in a community care for each other)  but social welfare or service is not?

It might just be a natural humanitarian aspect but not an economic system?? The skewed conditions from initial kind intention might be caused by misadministration due to personal needs or underinformed of why we do what we are doing by the elected....... ??

Why attracted the troups to be sent there??

It might be essential to know the person before we judge, right?? here's something for our reference.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

For his life experience, drafted to serve the country when he was young, captured, tortured and survived; elected as senator when he retired from military services until his last day....... nearly forty years as senator......... Mind me asking, how many years have you served your country as a soldier outside of your country? How many years have you served in government administrative office to grant you such comment about him??

McCain wasn't drafted, he went to the naval academy, where he was treated like a little princeling because his father was a top admiral. It's also possible he was the culprit in the Forrestal fire but again his father intervened, or so they say. I suspect his "Maverick" reputation in the Senate was because he was always damaged goods and it likely only took a dropped hint here and there to keep him in line, with the democrats that is, since he was a notorious turncoat against the republicans on critical issues right up until he died. I'm not a fan and neither is my flight surgeon uncle who treated true heroes not PR machine heroes like McCain. 

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

McCain wasn't drafted, he went to the naval academy, where he was treated like a little princeling because his father was a top admiral.  

 

I'm not a fan and neither is my flight surgeon uncle who treated true heroes not PR machine heroes like McCain. 

Generally, you have more respect for those who voluntarily serve, not forced by the draft, and have family military history.

 

Trump doesn't think they are heroes.

"They got hurt, they're losers.  I prefer people who don't get hurt."

-trump

 

At least when civil war comes we don't have to worry about trump getting much general support.  No senior officer would tolerate that level of disrespect. 

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Waddya know, the false narrative is already unraveling. Too bad a once proud publication like the Atlantic would whore itself out like this, but these are the times we live in. 

[Richard Snyder + 70]

18 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Generally, you have more respect for those who voluntarily serve, not forced by the draft, and have family military history.

 

Trump doesn't think they are heroes.

"They got hurt, they're losers.  I prefer people who don't get hurt."

-trump

 

At least when civil war comes we don't have to worry about trump getting much general support.  No senior officer would tolerate that level of disrespect. 

What do you care about a civil war in the United States?  I mean really, unless you live here.  We know you don't live in Canada, so where do you live?

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2 minutes ago, Richard Snyder said:

What do you care about a civil war in the United States?  I mean really, unless you live here.  We know you don't live in Canada, so where do you live?

I live in Canada and I assure you the nonsense going on in the states effects me.

Our economies are tied, we watch a lot of your media, and your alt-right garbage spreads to our normally sane people.

 

I really don't care if you think I live on the moon.  Feel free to live in an imaginary reality devoid of facts.

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[Richard Snyder + 70]

4 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

I live in Canada and I assure you the nonsense going on in the states effects me.

Our economies are tied, we watch a lot of your media, and your alt-right garbage spreads to our normally sane people.

 

I really don't care if you think I live on the moon.  Feel free to live in an imaginary reality devoid of facts.

The only resident of "an imaginary reality devoid of facts", is you little snowflake.

You spew on this board incessantly, on every subject.  You forthrightly profess a "hate", for a President of a country you claim not to be a resident of.  Just because you know the country north of the 49th parallel, does NOT make you a resident of that country.

You, little snowflake live in an alternate reality, if you believe your ramblings are going to have any bearing on the Presidential Elections of the Greatest Country in the world.  You little snowflake will once again be crying and whining in a special room, reserved for snowflakes, once again upset with the election.

Guess what snowflake, once again, "it's about the economy", and who can best lead it back to lead the world.  The American People know this, because at the end of the day, "it's all about the money/economy".

Look who was just nominated for "The Nobel Peace Prize", non other than President Trump, for bringing peace to the Middle East.

Go to your snowflake room and whine, no matter what country it is found in.

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36 minutes ago, Richard Snyder said:

The only resident of "an imaginary reality devoid of facts", is you little snowflake.

You spew on this board incessantly, on every subject.  You forthrightly profess a "hate", for a President of a country you claim not to be a resident of.  Just because you know the country north of the 49th parallel, does NOT make you a resident of that country.

You, little snowflake live in an alternate reality, if you believe your ramblings are going to have any bearing on the Presidential Elections of the Greatest Country in the world.  You little snowflake will once again be crying and whining in a special room, reserved for snowflakes, once again upset with the election.

Guess what snowflake, once again, "it's about the economy", and who can best lead it back to lead the world.  The American People know this, because at the end of the day, "it's all about the money/economy".

Look who was just nominated for "The Nobel Peace Prize", non other than President Trump, for bringing peace to the Middle East.

Go to your snowflake room and whine, no matter what country it is found in.

Trump is an idiot, go spew fake narratives elsewhere fossil human.

 

[Richard Snyder + 70]

1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump is an idiot, go spew fake narratives elsewhere fossil human.

 

"Fake narratives"......you snowflake are the prince of fake narratives.  I doubt if you have posted anything which isn't faux.  Always spinning it false, attempting to foment hate, all for your "buck twenty eight" per post.  No, your mother is not proud of you.

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On 9/6/2020 at 8:57 AM, Jan van Eck said:

Sure hope you feel better, now that you got that one off your chest.  Thanks for sharing.

Meanwhile, I remind you that those who said "NO" to Lyndon Johnson ended up on the right side of history.  Who is Lyndon Johnson to decide that 55,000 American women should not have husbands?  

Are you promoting sex slave cults now?