Something wicked this way comes

[Grumpy Pants + 35]

8 hours ago, Wombat said:

Grumpy, most people I know here in Australia don't trust the vaccines for some reason. I doubt they have given up on science, I think that nobody trusts the govt any more. Hardly surprising. The more lockdowns and the more govt peddling of the vaccines, the more push-back there is. People just want to be free to take their chances and have control of their own health. It is a human rights issue, not a medical issue. The idea that a vaccine will only "work" if 100% of the pop'n get the jab is far too cute on the part of the global govt. It either works or it doesn't. Personally, I am happy to be amongst the first to receive it when it arrives, but not if it is compulsory. Then I would fight the govt tooth and nail.

This is all very reasonable. I'm not for mandating vaccinations, I think it feeds into the distrust. On the other hand, we know vaccines are rarely anywhere near 100% effective, boosting immunity in most people enough to reduce illness by 30-60%, so it's only responsible for health agencies to push hard for a more complete population coverage. With rapidly mutating viruses, its a moving target. Vaccines aren't perfect, but they will be a pillar of how we bounce back to a semblance of normalcy. 

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

I doubt that very many people want to look at documents and scientific studies about the Flu vaccine, but the links and resources in this article are prolific.   https://homevaccineeducationnetwork.com/flu-vaccine-and-covid-19

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

What should be surprising is that this strangely specific and continuously repeated message—that we will not go “back to normal” until we get a vaccine in 18 months—has no scientific basis whatsoever. Medical researchers have already conceded that a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 may not even be possible, pointing to the inability of researchers to develop any kind of immunization against previous coronavirus outbreaks, like SARS or MERS.

But even if such a vaccine were possible, serious concerns remain about the safety of developing, testing and delivering such an “amazing vaccine” to “the entire world” in this remarkably short timeframe. Even proponents of vaccine development openly worry that the rush to vaccinate billions of people with a largely untested, experimental coronavirus vaccine will itself present grave risks to the public.

One of these risks involves “disease enhancement.” It has been known for over a decade that vaccination for some viral infections—including coronaviruses—actually enhances susceptibility to viral infection or even causes infections in healthy vaccine recipients.

ANTHONY FAUCI: Now, the issue of safety. Something that I want to make sure the American public understand: It’s not only safety when you inject somebody and they get maybe an idiosyncratic reaction, they get a little allergic reaction, they get pain. There’s safety associated. “Does the vaccine make you worse?” And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone, they get infected with what you’re trying to protect them with, and you actually enhance the infection.

SOURCE: Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Briefing (March 26)

This is no mere theoretical risk. As researchers who were trying to develop a vaccine for the original SARS outbreak discovered, the vaccine actually made the lab animals subjected to it more susceptible to the disease.

PETER HOTEZ: One of the things that we are not hearing a lot about is the unique potential safety problems of coronavirus vaccines. This was first found in the 1960s with the Respiratory Syncytial Virus vaccines, and it was done in Washington with the NIH and Children’s National Medical Center. Some of those kids who got the vaccine actually did worse, and I believe there were two deaths in the consequence of that study. Because what happens with certain types of respiratory virus vaccines, you get immunized, and then when you get actually exposed to the virus, you get this kind of paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon, and what—and we don’t entirely understand the basis of it. But we recognize that it’s a real problem for certain respiratory virus vaccines. That killed the RSV program for decades. Now the Gates Foundation is taking it up again. But when we started developing coronavirus vaccines—and our colleagues—we noticed in laboratory animals that they started to show some of the same immune pathology that resembled what had happened 50 years earlier.

SOURCE: Hotez Coronavirus Vaccine Safety Testimony

This specific issue regarding coronavirus vaccines is exacerbated by the arbitrary and unscientific 18-month timeframe that Gates is insisting on for the vaccine’s development. In order to meet that deadline, vaccine developers are being urged to use new and largely unproven methods for creating their experimental immunizations, including DNA and mRNA vaccines.

KELLY O’DONNELL: For a self-described wartime president, victory over COVID-19 equals a vaccine.

TRUMP: I hope we can have a vaccine, and we’re going to fast-track it like you’ve never seen before.

O’DONNELL: Adding Trump-style branding, the administration launched “Operation Warp Speed,” a multi-billion-dollar research and manufacturing effort to shorten the typical year-plus vaccine development timeline.

SOURCE: Trump Administration’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims To Fast-Track Coronavirus Vaccine | Nightly News

ANTHONY FAUCI: We’re gonna start ramping up production with the companies involved, and you do that at risk. In other words, you don’t wait until you get an answer before you start manufacturing. You at risk proactively start making it, assuming it’s gonna work.

SOURCE: Dr Fauci Discusses Operation Warp Speed’s Goal Of 100s Of Millions Of Vaccine Doses By January

BECKY QUICK: You’re thinking 18 months even with all the work that you’ve already done to this point and the planning that you are taking with lots of different potential vaccinations and building up for that now

GATES: Yeah, so there’s an approach called RNA vaccine that people like Moderna, CureVac and others are using that in 2015 we’d identified that as very promising for pandemics and for other applications as well. And so, if everything goes perfectly with the RNA approach, we could actually beat the 18 months. We don’t want to create unrealistic expectations.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

RHIJU DAS: So the concept of an RNA vaccine is: Let’s inject the RNA molecule that encodes for the spike protein.

ANGELA RASMUSSEN: It’s making your cell do the work of creating this viral protein that is going to be recognized by your immune system and trigger the development of these antibodies.

DAS: Our bodies won’t make a full-fledged infectious virus. They’ll just make a little piece and then learn to recognize it and then get ready to destroy the virus if it then later comes and invades us.

[. . .]

DAS: It’s a relatively new, unproven technology. And there’s still no example of an RNA vaccine that’s been deployed worldwide in the way that we need for the coronavirus.

RASMUSSEN: There is the possibility for unforeseen, adverse effects.

AKIKO IWASAKI: So this is all new territory. Whether it would elicit protective immune response against this virus is just unknown right now.

SOURCE: Can Scientists Use RNA to Create a Coronavirus Vaccine?

Rushing at “Warp Speed” to develop a new vaccine using experimental technology and then mass-producing and delivering billions of doses to be injected into “basically the entire world” before adequate testing is even done amounts to one of the most dangerous experiments in the history of the world, one that could alter the lives of untold numbers of people.

That an experimental vaccine—developed in a brand new way and rushed through with a special, shortened testing regime—should be given to adults, children, pregnant women, newborn babies, and the elderly alike, would be, in any other situation, unthinkable. To suggest that such a vaccine should be given to the entire planet would have been called lunacy mere months ago. But now the public is being asked to accept this premise without question.

Even Gates himself acknowledges the inherent risks of such a project. But his concern is not for the lives that will be irrevocably altered in the event that the vaccines cause damage to the population. Instead, he is more concerned that the pharmaceutical companies and the researchers are given legal immunity for any such damage.

GATES: You know, if we have, you know, one in 10,000 side effects, that’s, you know, way more— 700,000—you know, people who will suffer from that. So really understanding the safety at gigantic scale across all age ranges—you know, pregnant, male, female, undernourished, existing comorbidities—it’s very, very hard. And that actual decision of, “OK, let’s go and give this vaccine to the entire world,” ah, governments will have to be involved because there will be some risk and indemnification needed before that can be decided on.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

As we have already seen, in the arena of global health, what Bill Gates wants is what the world gets. So it should be no surprise that immunity for the Big Pharma vaccine manufacturers and the vaccination program planners is already being worked on.

In the US, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a declaration that retroactively provides “liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against COVID-19,” including manufacturers, distributors and program planners of “any vaccine, used to treat, diagnose, cure, prevent, or mitigate COVID-19.” The declaration was issued on March 17th but retroactively covers any activity back to February 4th, 2020, the day before the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation announced an emergency $100 million to fund treatment efforts and to develop new vaccines for COVID-19.

The plan to inject everyone on the planet with an experimental vaccine is no aberration in Bill Gates’ envisioned “Decade of Vaccines.” It is its culmination.

https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

1 hour ago, Tom Nolan said:

What should be surprising is that this strangely specific and continuously repeated message—that we will not go “back to normal” until we get a vaccine in 18 months—has no scientific basis whatsoever. Medical researchers have already conceded that a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 may not even be possible, pointing to the inability of researchers to develop any kind of immunization against previous coronavirus outbreaks, like SARS or MERS.

But even if such a vaccine were possible, serious concerns remain about the safety of developing, testing and delivering such an “amazing vaccine” to “the entire world” in this remarkably short timeframe. Even proponents of vaccine development openly worry that the rush to vaccinate billions of people with a largely untested, experimental coronavirus vaccine will itself present grave risks to the public.

One of these risks involves “disease enhancement.” It has been known for over a decade that vaccination for some viral infections—including coronaviruses—actually enhances susceptibility to viral infection or even causes infections in healthy vaccine recipients.

ANTHONY FAUCI: Now, the issue of safety. Something that I want to make sure the American public understand: It’s not only safety when you inject somebody and they get maybe an idiosyncratic reaction, they get a little allergic reaction, they get pain. There’s safety associated. “Does the vaccine make you worse?” And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone, they get infected with what you’re trying to protect them with, and you actually enhance the infection.

SOURCE: Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Briefing (March 26)

This is no mere theoretical risk. As researchers who were trying to develop a vaccine for the original SARS outbreak discovered, the vaccine actually made the lab animals subjected to it more susceptible to the disease.

PETER HOTEZ: One of the things that we are not hearing a lot about is the unique potential safety problems of coronavirus vaccines. This was first found in the 1960s with the Respiratory Syncytial Virus vaccines, and it was done in Washington with the NIH and Children’s National Medical Center. Some of those kids who got the vaccine actually did worse, and I believe there were two deaths in the consequence of that study. Because what happens with certain types of respiratory virus vaccines, you get immunized, and then when you get actually exposed to the virus, you get this kind of paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon, and what—and we don’t entirely understand the basis of it. But we recognize that it’s a real problem for certain respiratory virus vaccines. That killed the RSV program for decades. Now the Gates Foundation is taking it up again. But when we started developing coronavirus vaccines—and our colleagues—we noticed in laboratory animals that they started to show some of the same immune pathology that resembled what had happened 50 years earlier.

SOURCE: Hotez Coronavirus Vaccine Safety Testimony

This specific issue regarding coronavirus vaccines is exacerbated by the arbitrary and unscientific 18-month timeframe that Gates is insisting on for the vaccine’s development. In order to meet that deadline, vaccine developers are being urged to use new and largely unproven methods for creating their experimental immunizations, including DNA and mRNA vaccines.

KELLY O’DONNELL: For a self-described wartime president, victory over COVID-19 equals a vaccine.

TRUMP: I hope we can have a vaccine, and we’re going to fast-track it like you’ve never seen before.

O’DONNELL: Adding Trump-style branding, the administration launched “Operation Warp Speed,” a multi-billion-dollar research and manufacturing effort to shorten the typical year-plus vaccine development timeline.

SOURCE: Trump Administration’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims To Fast-Track Coronavirus Vaccine | Nightly News

ANTHONY FAUCI: We’re gonna start ramping up production with the companies involved, and you do that at risk. In other words, you don’t wait until you get an answer before you start manufacturing. You at risk proactively start making it, assuming it’s gonna work.

SOURCE: Dr Fauci Discusses Operation Warp Speed’s Goal Of 100s Of Millions Of Vaccine Doses By January

BECKY QUICK: You’re thinking 18 months even with all the work that you’ve already done to this point and the planning that you are taking with lots of different potential vaccinations and building up for that now

GATES: Yeah, so there’s an approach called RNA vaccine that people like Moderna, CureVac and others are using that in 2015 we’d identified that as very promising for pandemics and for other applications as well. And so, if everything goes perfectly with the RNA approach, we could actually beat the 18 months. We don’t want to create unrealistic expectations.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

RHIJU DAS: So the concept of an RNA vaccine is: Let’s inject the RNA molecule that encodes for the spike protein.

ANGELA RASMUSSEN: It’s making your cell do the work of creating this viral protein that is going to be recognized by your immune system and trigger the development of these antibodies.

DAS: Our bodies won’t make a full-fledged infectious virus. They’ll just make a little piece and then learn to recognize it and then get ready to destroy the virus if it then later comes and invades us.

[. . .]

DAS: It’s a relatively new, unproven technology. And there’s still no example of an RNA vaccine that’s been deployed worldwide in the way that we need for the coronavirus.

RASMUSSEN: There is the possibility for unforeseen, adverse effects.

AKIKO IWASAKI: So this is all new territory. Whether it would elicit protective immune response against this virus is just unknown right now.

SOURCE: Can Scientists Use RNA to Create a Coronavirus Vaccine?

Rushing at “Warp Speed” to develop a new vaccine using experimental technology and then mass-producing and delivering billions of doses to be injected into “basically the entire world” before adequate testing is even done amounts to one of the most dangerous experiments in the history of the world, one that could alter the lives of untold numbers of people.

That an experimental vaccine—developed in a brand new way and rushed through with a special, shortened testing regime—should be given to adults, children, pregnant women, newborn babies, and the elderly alike, would be, in any other situation, unthinkable. To suggest that such a vaccine should be given to the entire planet would have been called lunacy mere months ago. But now the public is being asked to accept this premise without question.

Even Gates himself acknowledges the inherent risks of such a project. But his concern is not for the lives that will be irrevocably altered in the event that the vaccines cause damage to the population. Instead, he is more concerned that the pharmaceutical companies and the researchers are given legal immunity for any such damage.

GATES: You know, if we have, you know, one in 10,000 side effects, that’s, you know, way more— 700,000—you know, people who will suffer from that. So really understanding the safety at gigantic scale across all age ranges—you know, pregnant, male, female, undernourished, existing comorbidities—it’s very, very hard. And that actual decision of, “OK, let’s go and give this vaccine to the entire world,” ah, governments will have to be involved because there will be some risk and indemnification needed before that can be decided on.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

As we have already seen, in the arena of global health, what Bill Gates wants is what the world gets. So it should be no surprise that immunity for the Big Pharma vaccine manufacturers and the vaccination program planners is already being worked on.

In the US, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a declaration that retroactively provides “liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against COVID-19,” including manufacturers, distributors and program planners of “any vaccine, used to treat, diagnose, cure, prevent, or mitigate COVID-19.” The declaration was issued on March 17th but retroactively covers any activity back to February 4th, 2020, the day before the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation announced an emergency $100 million to fund treatment efforts and to develop new vaccines for COVID-19.

The plan to inject everyone on the planet with an experimental vaccine is no aberration in Bill Gates’ envisioned “Decade of Vaccines.” It is its culmination.

https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

This ^^^^

Remember, the 1% class loves the world as it is, except for all these dang people! They've publicly declared that the optimum population is 500 million. That just means a pesky 7 billion give or take need to die. How to do that? Maybe get them to voluntarily take a shot? 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Remember, the 1% class loves the world as it is, except for all these dang people! They've publicly declared that the optimum population is 500 million. That just means a pesky 7 billion give or take need to die. How to do that? Maybe get them to voluntarily take a shot? 

Right you are.  Let's help Bill Gates in his push to paralyze a half million girls in India, and sterilize many thousands of women in Kenya.

Like Melinda Gates says:  "Black people should be the first to get the Covid vaccine."   Get rid of the undesirables first, like Bill Gates's Father said. 

Black Lives Matter.  Give them vaccines to wipe them out first.

(Of course, I am being sarcastic.)

Here is a QUEUED VIDEO showing the scientific study verifying the India vaccines, along with Melinda Gates pushing hard to vaccinate black people in America and Africa.

 

[Grumpy Pants + 35]

Tom, 

Just stop. It's embarrassing. You were caught in the other thread in the general forum blatantly twisting numbers, or perhaps simply unable to understand a basic study table. Now you are completely making things up, or parroting confabulations you see on YouTube. You tout the same sources over and over - all very easily debunked - mostly from Youtube. Any legitimate studies you've quoted have actually contradicted your points. I've tried, but I just can't take you seriously 😂

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

Grumpy, Take all the vaccines that you want.  You are not interested in looking at the information...that is fine.  Don't look.

The study presented in the video is right there. QUEUED  You can go look it up. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Tom Nolan

[Grumpy Pants + 35]

After you were caught red handed lying (or completely incapable of interpreting numbers) I think you've been reasonably discredited. I understand you have a narrative to push. 

For what it's worth, I've been exposed to influenza every year for the past 12 years. I've also been vaccinated each year. I am rarely if ever sick, and I've never had a confirmed case of influenza myself despite performing hundreds of nasopharyngeal swabs. I would never trust an anecdote posted by somebody on the internet of course, but I'm throwing it out there. In 2014-2015 I believe it was, we had a huge outbreak of influenza here because it was a "bad catch" for the flu vaccine that year ; it offered only marginal protection. We lost 7 residents that year of 2 dozen confirmed infected, and 5 of them were unvaccinated. Mortality was more than double looking at the numbers. Since then our vaccination rate is >90% and we have not had an outbreak ever since. 

I fully support voluntary vaccinations, I believe it is a personal choice. It will remain that way, despite what the conspiratorial sect is parroting. And there are real issues with vaccinations, they've had their issues over the years . 

It's troubling to see the blatant ignorance, but again, you've already been discredited so you can post all the YouTube links you want. 

[Bob D + 562]

2 minutes ago, Grumpy Pants said:

After you were caught red handed lying (or completely incapable of interpreting numbers) I think you've been reasonably discredited. I understand you have a narrative to push. 

For what it's worth, I've been exposed to influenza every year for the past 12 years. I've also been vaccinated each year. I am rarely if ever sick, and I've never had a confirmed case of influenza myself despite performing hundreds of nasopharyngeal swabs. I would never trust an anecdote posted by somebody on the internet of course, but I'm throwing it out there. In 2014-2015 I believe it was, we had a huge outbreak of influenza here because it was a "bad catch" for the flu vaccine that year ; it offered only marginal protection. We lost 7 residents that year of 2 dozen confirmed infected, and 5 of them were unvaccinated. Mortality was more than double looking at the numbers. Since then our vaccination rate is >90% and we have not had an outbreak ever since. 

I fully support voluntary vaccinations, I believe it is a personal choice. It will remain that way, despite what the conspiratorial sect is parroting. And there are real issues with vaccinations, they've had their issues over the years . 

It's troubling to see the blatant ignorance, but again, you've already been discredited so you can post all the YouTube links you want. 

Great  --  another know-it-all.

 

[Grumpy Pants + 35]

Great one Bob. 

Enjoy your forum. 😅

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

Trump wants a vaccine, obey your leader!

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

How to do that? Maybe get them to voluntarily take a shot? 

Now vaccines kill people...  A dangerous conspiracy to spread and is disloyal to your lord.  A vote for trump is pro-vaccine!

Try to keep your false beliefs consistent. 

Trump good, vaccine bad.  Which is more important to you?  Or is trump pushing something bad at Warp Speed?

Covid is a fake plandemic, but HCQ + Zn works against it. How is that possible? Do you take drugs for fake diseases?

CDC is full of idiots, fake numbers, masks don't work; but when they mention comorbidities they are somehow right.  Listen to the CDC or shut up about them.

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

2 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump wants a vaccine, obey your leader!

 

Trump wants all the people on the Left to take a vaccine.  That will kill them off. 

Trump supporters know better than taking a Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci funded vaccine, so they will be the survivors.  😉

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

You can't argue with facts.

Vaccines have injured or killed many thousands of people.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

4 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

You can't argue with facts.

Vaccines have injured or killed many thousands of people.

You argue against facts. 

Vaccines have saved many more lives. 

Your immune system exposed to "natural vaccines" all the time. You get exposed to stuff and your body adapts, it's not magic or evil, and that's what vaccines do.  Fearing a little bit of preservative with scary sounding chemical names is illogical - especially when your processed food has far more crap in it.

[frankfurter + 562]

True, history proves, once the ways and means are in place to spy and monitor, people accept/adjust and get on with their lives in the new reality. As we implement AI ever increasingly, [chips in phones, passports, appliances, vehicles, payment cards, etc, etc], the day will come soon where some person somewhere will be able to switch off or simply delete your ID. Voila, you are now persona non grata, and totally free! But how will you survive without your own land for food and shelter? 

The death rate for covid is not 0.4%, it is averaging about 10%.  the ratio is deaths/(deaths+recovered).  not deaths/total cases.   total cases includes unknown outcomes. 

But the death rate is not the relevant statistic.  The relevant is the # of recovered people who are left permanently damaged.  This # is about 80%.  Your MSM presstitutes are deliberately deceiving you. 

 

 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

12 hours ago, frankfurter said:

The death rate for covid is not 0.4%, it is averaging about 10%.  the ratio is deaths/(deaths+recovered).  not deaths/total cases.   total cases includes unknown outcomes. 

Documentation needed. Actual peer reviewed studies. You demanded them for chloroquine, pay up for your pull it out of your ass statistics. 

I'm in regular contact with an ER physician friend and they haven't had anyone die from Covid in months. They've had people die who tested positive for Covid, but that person was going to die regardless. I think people don't understand the word morbidity. Comorbidities associated with obesity, diabetes (they largely go hand in hand), heart disease (also hand in hand), high blood pressure (more hands) and stress will kill you dead, with or without Covid. Morbidly obese people are just that, morbid. I've seen ridiculously fat people in the hospital, they're regulars there, because something is always wrong with them. If there were no Covid we'd just say they died. CDC has flat out admitted to over counting Covid deaths and it still is no where near 10%. Even your misquote above is off by an order of magnitude. The kill rate is 0.04% not 0.4%

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 9/22/2020 at 9:40 AM, Tom Nolan said:

What should be surprising is that this strangely specific and continuously repeated message—that we will not go “back to normal” until we get a vaccine in 18 months—has no scientific basis whatsoever. Medical researchers have already conceded that a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 may not even be possible, pointing to the inability of researchers to develop any kind of immunization against previous coronavirus outbreaks, like SARS or MERS.

But even if such a vaccine were possible, serious concerns remain about the safety of developing, testing and delivering such an “amazing vaccine” to “the entire world” in this remarkably short timeframe. Even proponents of vaccine development openly worry that the rush to vaccinate billions of people with a largely untested, experimental coronavirus vaccine will itself present grave risks to the public.

One of these risks involves “disease enhancement.” It has been known for over a decade that vaccination for some viral infections—including coronaviruses—actually enhances susceptibility to viral infection or even causes infections in healthy vaccine recipients.

ANTHONY FAUCI: Now, the issue of safety. Something that I want to make sure the American public understand: It’s not only safety when you inject somebody and they get maybe an idiosyncratic reaction, they get a little allergic reaction, they get pain. There’s safety associated. “Does the vaccine make you worse?” And there are diseases in which you vaccinate someone, they get infected with what you’re trying to protect them with, and you actually enhance the infection.

SOURCE: Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Briefing (March 26)

This is no mere theoretical risk. As researchers who were trying to develop a vaccine for the original SARS outbreak discovered, the vaccine actually made the lab animals subjected to it more susceptible to the disease.

PETER HOTEZ: One of the things that we are not hearing a lot about is the unique potential safety problems of coronavirus vaccines. This was first found in the 1960s with the Respiratory Syncytial Virus vaccines, and it was done in Washington with the NIH and Children’s National Medical Center. Some of those kids who got the vaccine actually did worse, and I believe there were two deaths in the consequence of that study. Because what happens with certain types of respiratory virus vaccines, you get immunized, and then when you get actually exposed to the virus, you get this kind of paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon, and what—and we don’t entirely understand the basis of it. But we recognize that it’s a real problem for certain respiratory virus vaccines. That killed the RSV program for decades. Now the Gates Foundation is taking it up again. But when we started developing coronavirus vaccines—and our colleagues—we noticed in laboratory animals that they started to show some of the same immune pathology that resembled what had happened 50 years earlier.

SOURCE: Hotez Coronavirus Vaccine Safety Testimony

This specific issue regarding coronavirus vaccines is exacerbated by the arbitrary and unscientific 18-month timeframe that Gates is insisting on for the vaccine’s development. In order to meet that deadline, vaccine developers are being urged to use new and largely unproven methods for creating their experimental immunizations, including DNA and mRNA vaccines.

KELLY O’DONNELL: For a self-described wartime president, victory over COVID-19 equals a vaccine.

TRUMP: I hope we can have a vaccine, and we’re going to fast-track it like you’ve never seen before.

O’DONNELL: Adding Trump-style branding, the administration launched “Operation Warp Speed,” a multi-billion-dollar research and manufacturing effort to shorten the typical year-plus vaccine development timeline.

SOURCE: Trump Administration’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims To Fast-Track Coronavirus Vaccine | Nightly News

ANTHONY FAUCI: We’re gonna start ramping up production with the companies involved, and you do that at risk. In other words, you don’t wait until you get an answer before you start manufacturing. You at risk proactively start making it, assuming it’s gonna work.

SOURCE: Dr Fauci Discusses Operation Warp Speed’s Goal Of 100s Of Millions Of Vaccine Doses By January

BECKY QUICK: You’re thinking 18 months even with all the work that you’ve already done to this point and the planning that you are taking with lots of different potential vaccinations and building up for that now

GATES: Yeah, so there’s an approach called RNA vaccine that people like Moderna, CureVac and others are using that in 2015 we’d identified that as very promising for pandemics and for other applications as well. And so, if everything goes perfectly with the RNA approach, we could actually beat the 18 months. We don’t want to create unrealistic expectations.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

RHIJU DAS: So the concept of an RNA vaccine is: Let’s inject the RNA molecule that encodes for the spike protein.

ANGELA RASMUSSEN: It’s making your cell do the work of creating this viral protein that is going to be recognized by your immune system and trigger the development of these antibodies.

DAS: Our bodies won’t make a full-fledged infectious virus. They’ll just make a little piece and then learn to recognize it and then get ready to destroy the virus if it then later comes and invades us.

[. . .]

DAS: It’s a relatively new, unproven technology. And there’s still no example of an RNA vaccine that’s been deployed worldwide in the way that we need for the coronavirus.

RASMUSSEN: There is the possibility for unforeseen, adverse effects.

AKIKO IWASAKI: So this is all new territory. Whether it would elicit protective immune response against this virus is just unknown right now.

SOURCE: Can Scientists Use RNA to Create a Coronavirus Vaccine?

Rushing at “Warp Speed” to develop a new vaccine using experimental technology and then mass-producing and delivering billions of doses to be injected into “basically the entire world” before adequate testing is even done amounts to one of the most dangerous experiments in the history of the world, one that could alter the lives of untold numbers of people.

That an experimental vaccine—developed in a brand new way and rushed through with a special, shortened testing regime—should be given to adults, children, pregnant women, newborn babies, and the elderly alike, would be, in any other situation, unthinkable. To suggest that such a vaccine should be given to the entire planet would have been called lunacy mere months ago. But now the public is being asked to accept this premise without question.

Even Gates himself acknowledges the inherent risks of such a project. But his concern is not for the lives that will be irrevocably altered in the event that the vaccines cause damage to the population. Instead, he is more concerned that the pharmaceutical companies and the researchers are given legal immunity for any such damage.

GATES: You know, if we have, you know, one in 10,000 side effects, that’s, you know, way more— 700,000—you know, people who will suffer from that. So really understanding the safety at gigantic scale across all age ranges—you know, pregnant, male, female, undernourished, existing comorbidities—it’s very, very hard. And that actual decision of, “OK, let’s go and give this vaccine to the entire world,” ah, governments will have to be involved because there will be some risk and indemnification needed before that can be decided on.

SOURCE: Watch CNBC’s full interview with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates on the coronavirus pandemic and his work toward a vaccine

As we have already seen, in the arena of global health, what Bill Gates wants is what the world gets. So it should be no surprise that immunity for the Big Pharma vaccine manufacturers and the vaccination program planners is already being worked on.

In the US, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a declaration that retroactively provides “liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against COVID-19,” including manufacturers, distributors and program planners of “any vaccine, used to treat, diagnose, cure, prevent, or mitigate COVID-19.” The declaration was issued on March 17th but retroactively covers any activity back to February 4th, 2020, the day before the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation announced an emergency $100 million to fund treatment efforts and to develop new vaccines for COVID-19.

The plan to inject everyone on the planet with an experimental vaccine is no aberration in Bill Gates’ envisioned “Decade of Vaccines.” It is its culmination.

https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

It is not a mandatory vaccine. I will gladly take it at age 75 with other issues. Anyone under 65 should think more carefully about it. Just my opinion. COVID 19 has about run its course IMO but I am not going to pass on the vaccine. 

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Tom started another thread saying essentially the same thing as this one, that Covid is being latched on as the new climate change. Corbett didn't focus on the fear factor so much as the control, it all nets out the same

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Documentation needed. Actual peer reviewed studies. You demanded them for chloroquine, pay up for your pull it out of your ass statistics. 

I'm in regular contact with an ER physician friend and they haven't had anyone die from Covid in months. They've had people die who tested positive for Covid, but that person was going to die regardless. I think people don't understand the word morbidity. Comorbidities associated with obesity, diabetes (they largely go hand in hand), heart disease (also hand in hand), high blood pressure (more hands) and stress will kill you dead, with or without Covid. Morbidly obese people are just that, morbid. I've seen ridiculously fat people in the hospital, they're regulars there, because something is always wrong with them. If there were no Covid we'd just say they died. CDC has flat out admitted to over counting Covid deaths and it still is no where near 10%. Even your misquote above is off by an order of magnitude. The kill rate is 0.04% not 0.4%

 

 

Amusing on many levels.

The CDC clearly shows there are many more deaths than to be expected from all causes and it tracks the outbreak.  Let that sink in, your comorbidity argument is garbage.   Just to help it sink into your soft mind, all cause death would include the fat people with hypertension etc.

 

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Enthalpic,

Take the vaccine.

Sign up for one of the Covid trials and get paid money.

If Covid worries you, wear a mask (ha!) and social distance and stay secluded and ruin your own life. 

Don't force me to. 

I refuse to live my life as a dictated slave.

I know the media and the government lie out the ying yang.

You trust the media and the government with your life.  You desire their mandates and authoritarian control.  Go ahead and OBEY.

I'll be 70 soon and have many friends in my age group.  We aren't worried about Covid. 

One friend got it.  He had 3 Covid tests when he went to an Emergency Center because it was hard to breathe.  The tests came up negative, but they classified him as a Covid case.  He went to a local Doctor (Dr. Ivette C. Lozano) who prescribed Hydrozychloroquine and he was feeling great after a few days.  He then took a 4th Covid test so he could return to work.  That test came up negative.

For real, here are a couple of my friends at a restaurant.  There were about 10 people there, all living life like normal, not wearing masks even though they are mandated by the state.  Not social distancing.  The fella on the right is in his 70's.  The Covid guy who I just mentioned was there.

There is nothing wrong with a person getting sick or being exposed to microbes.  It is part of the natural human condition which facilitates the immune system.

Enthralpic, Be a slave to the whims of tyrants.  Not me.

 

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1 hour ago, Tom Nolan said:

Enthalpic,

Take the vaccine.

Sign up for one of the Covid trials and get paid money.

If Covid worries you, wear a mask (ha!) and social distance and stay secluded and ruin your own life. 

Don't force me to. 

I refuse to live my life as a dictated slave.

I know the media and the government lie out the ying yang.

You trust the media and the government with your life.  You desire their mandates and authoritarian control.  Go ahead and OBEY.

I'll be 70 soon and have many friends in my age group.  We aren't worried about Covid. 

One friend got it.  He had 3 Covid tests when he went to an Emergency Center because it was hard to breathe.  The tests came up negative, but they classified him as a Covid case.  He went to a local Doctor (Dr. Ivette C. Lozano) who prescribed Hydrozychloroquine and he was feeling great after a few days.  He then took a 4th Covid test so he could return to work.  That test came up negative.

For real, here are a couple of my friends at a restaurant.  There were about 10 people there, all living life like normal, not wearing masks even though they are mandated by the state.  Not social distancing.  The fella on the right is in his 70's.  The Covid guy who I just mentioned was there.

There is nothing wrong with a person getting sick or being exposed to microbes.  It is part of the natural human condition which facilitates the immune system.

Enthralpic, Be a slave to the whims of tyrants.  Not me.

 

What a wonderful photo, and what wonderful friends they look to be.

Obvious humor of the photo aside. the photo and you highlight something that the Covid Wailers are going to have to confront and accept:

At this point, a taliban in a cave in Afghanistan and every other human in the world knows that the only high risk age group are those over 60-65 years of age.  People in that age group, I think we all would agree, might well be best advised to self-isolate for the most part, or at least adhere to masking and distancing guidelines when exposed to other human beings, (and here's the kicker) IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO DO SO!  That's right Wailers, self preservation is the CHOICE of the "self", not of any other group.

I look at the youth today, those under the legal ages, and I shudder that their lives are being taken away from them.  It makes me angry that their dreams of the future are being dashed, that they cannot look forward to going to a concert with their friends and getting hammered, or not, if they wish.  That they cannot have a 15 year's olds dance party at one of their friend's parents houses with punch and soft drinks and snacks, and first kisses (and maybe just a bit more in the closet for 30 seconds).  That their sports and any sports they wish to go see are no longer available to them.  That they will not be able to go on Spring Break before and when they are in college. 

And WHY?  Well, because some 25-35 year old assholes are buying into a narrative of control that most over 60-year-olds, hell even most over 35-year-olds can tell you from a lifetime of experience is nothing more than an effort being orchestrated by some power-hungry minority that has convinced the young and inexperienced is some sort of "new normal".  Enough of this bullshit.  If there was ever a time for people to make decisions for themselves and their families, without government mandates of any kind, it is now.  How dare they even try to take away people's dreams.  How dare they try to take away people's freedoms.  It is high time for them to get back in the basement and wail all they want on their social media.  But leave the rest of us out here alone to get on with this beautiful thing called life, warts and all.  I'll be out here introducing my son to all that life has to offer and encouraging him to search out and conquer all that he wishes to, all that he dreams of.  Personally, I will fight for his right to do so and if by some chance I get the virus and die, so be it.  If I have an accident teaching him to repel a cliff.  If I die for any reason doing something so-called "high risk", I've had my time and I will die knowing I did all I can to instill in my son a strong self-reliance and individualism.  I will die knowing I helped guide my son through this horrible attempt by others to control our lives.  Knowing that I have taught my son to seek out and find the truth and then act, or don't act, accordingly.  To not blindly follow the sheeple or any government asshole of questionable motives.

Rant over.

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2 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

 

Amusing on many levels.

The CDC clearly shows there are many more deaths than to be expected from all causes and it tracks the outbreak.  Let that sink in, your comorbidity argument is garbage.   Just to help it sink into your soft mind, all cause death would include the fat people with hypertension etc.

 

clicked on new and your insipid drivel showed up, unfortunately. 

Here's where your room temperature IQ fails. Multiple specialities of physicians such as my 4 neighbors who are all cardiologists have seen their business go down by 50% or more, due to the Covid Plandemic. Cardiologists in particular are directly affected because protocols in place for this planned destruction of society (plandemic, since you can't connect dots) specify that they are to suspend surgeries "if at all possible" to leave the empty ICU'S available for the phantom Covid patients who, as Tom pointed out above, are riding this out like a bad cold. 

My good friend died last month, because he seemed healthy enough to go on, but his heart had other ideas. In normal times, he'd have gone immediately in for the procedure but in these planned demonic times, he was scheduled six months out! My neighbor was his cardiologist, he's just sick about this mess. This event might just push him over the edge into early retirement, so a world class physician leaves and there will be that many more deaths because his skillset is off the table.

Of course you're insulated from all this, hiding in your mommy's basement playing Fortnight and pretending you're one of the adults in the room. But yeah, CDC graphs for stupid people. They thank you for your support. 

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1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

I look at the youth today, those under the legal ages, and I shudder that their lives are being taken away from them.  It makes me angry that their dreams of the future are being dashed, that they cannot look forward to going to a concert with their friends and getting hammered, or not, if they wish.  That they cannot have a 15 year's olds dance party at one of their friend's parents houses with punch and soft drinks and snacks, and first kisses (and maybe just a bit more in the closet for 30 seconds).  That their sports and any sports they wish to go see are no longer available to them.  That they will not be able to go on Spring Break before and when they are in college. 

And WHY?  Well, because some 25-35 year old assholes are buying into a narrative of control...

Gosh Dan!  What you wrote kind of waters my eyes.

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

clicked on new and your insipid drivel showed up, unfortunately. 

Here's where your room temperature IQ fails. Multiple specialities of physicians such as my 4 neighbors who are all cardiologists have seen their business go down by 50% or more, due to the Covid Plandemic. Cardiologists in particular are directly affected because protocols in place for this planned destruction of society (plandemic, since you can't connect dots) specify that they are to suspend surgeries "if at all possible" to leave the  ICU'S available for the phantom Covid patients who, as Tom pointed out above, are riding this out like a bad cold. 

My good friend died last month, because he seemed healthy enough to go on, but his heart had other ideas. In normal times, he'd have gone immediately in for the procedure but in these planned demonic times, he was scheduled six months out! My neighbor was his cardiologist, he's just sick about this mess. This event might just push him over the edge into early retirement, so a world class physician leaves and there will be that many more deaths because his skillset is off the table.

Of course you're insulated from all this, hiding in your mommy's basement playing Fortnight and pretending you're one of the adults in the room. But yeah, CDC graphs for stupid people. They thank you for your support. 

 

Anecdotes do not equal data. Try again Mr anti-science.

Keep living in your fantasy world if it makes you feel better, or worse, with all those conspiracies that you are convinced are real.

You love the CDC now with the comorbidity paper, you reference them often.  Keep your false narrative straight.