Enthalpic + 1,496 October 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Its posts like this that ultimately made me leave this site last time, and ive only been back 2 days. Enthalpic if you claim to be so bright and knowledgeable why do you feel the need to sink to such levels? You sound like a 5 year old in the playground! Ward is a geriatric-child, you must speak to your audience. He is often wrong; I correct him, simple. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radha + 262 RK October 17, 2020 https://www.usasupre.me/thousands.html Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn’t Want You to Know 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Radha said: https://www.usasupre.me/thousands.html Literally Thousands of Doctors and Scientists Have Come Out Against Fauci’s Lockdowns Including a Nobel Prize-Winning Biophysicist. The Media Just Doesn’t Want You to Know Excellent Radha! Many, many, many thousands of medical professionals and scientists have also signed The Great Barrington Declaration. This is being censored by Google and even denigrated by the news media (example "MarketWatch") It is because of the vast number of professionals who are signing it. On top of that, in Europe, especially based out of Berlin, there is an army of Doctors opposed to this tyranny. https://community.oilprice.com/topic/21249-google-wants-you-dumbed-down-as-sheep-–-“the-great-barrington-declaration”/ On August 29th, well over 1.3 million people peacefully demonstrated in Berlin against the Covid rules and lockdowns. (Verified count by grid count and aerial photos). On August 1st, Berlin also had demonstration with 1.3 million verified by the police count. I like this speech by Robert F Kennedy, Jr. He tells us what is coming. It is the day prior to the demonstration. The German speaking talks about a large group of Doctors united against the lockdowns. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK October 17, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 11:25 PM, Enthalpic said: It is possible to have a democracy that isn't so divided / partisan. The problem in the US is you have highly polarized politics and biased media. A democracy with a non-partisan approach to dealing with a viral threat can have a clear message to the population. Efficiency of Covid eradication does not rely on the type of democracy. It does not matter what Kind of democracy US or Poland is. There are civil liberties , cornerstone of democracy. So government has very limited measures to stop the spread of the virus, No curfew or House arrest possible. And there is always a significant group of people that contest even this weak countermeasures. The result is that any democratic country ( bar Taiwan) is ineffective in fight with Covid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 October 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Marcin2 said: Efficiency of Covid eradication does not rely on the type of democracy. It does not matter what Kind of democracy US or Poland is. There are civil liberties , cornerstone of democracy. So government has very limited measures to stop the spread of the virus, No curfew or House arrest possible. And there is always a significant group of people that contest even this weak countermeasures. The result is that any democratic country ( bar Taiwan) is ineffective in fight with Covid. True, you can't do draconian lock downs with a democracy, but some civil liberties can be temporarily suspended by a physician if you pose a risk to yourself or others. With SARS there were some pretty strict quarantines (in hospital). At the very least not making covid a political tool really helps. In Canada we don't have the Liberals saying covid is serious and the conservatives saying it's an overblown hoax. Our PM doesn't call it "China flu" or anything silly like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard Snyder + 70 October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Enthalpic said: True, you can't do draconian lock downs with a democracy, but some civil liberties can be temporarily suspended by a physician if you pose a risk to yourself or others. With SARS there were some pretty strict quarantines (in hospital). At the very least not making covid a political tool really helps. In Canada we don't have the Liberals saying covid is serious and the conservatives saying it's an overblown hoax. Our PM doesn't call it "China flu" or anything silly like that. Do you incessantly post, simply to see your post? Are you that insecure? Your post said Nothing of Substance. Simply ongoing written babble. Give it a rest! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 October 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Richard Snyder said: Do you incessantly post, simply to see your post? Are you that insecure? Your post said Nothing of Substance. Simply ongoing written babble. Give it a rest! [Richard] Snyder, I was not responding to you, and I did point out you can suspend civil liberties in a democracy. What exactly was the purpose of your post? Clearly just to insult me - the trump cult thanks you for your service. Edited October 18, 2020 by Enthalpic Inappropriate language Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:Snyder, I was not responding to you, and I did point out you can suspend civil liberties in a democracy. What exactly was the purpose of your post? Clearly just to insult me - the trump cult thanks you for your service. CffZDNPWIAADM69.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 October 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Richard Snyder said: 5 hours ago, Enthalpic said: True, you can't do draconian lock downs with a democracy, but some civil liberties can be temporarily suspended by a physician if you pose a risk to yourself or others. With SARS there were some pretty strict quarantines (in hospital). At the very least not making covid a political tool really helps. In Canada we don't have the Liberals saying covid is serious and the conservatives saying it's an overblown hoax. Our PM doesn't call it "China flu" or anything silly like that. Do you incessantly post, simply to see your post? Are you that insecure? Your post said Nothing of Substance. Simply ongoing written babble. Give it a rest! Which is where quarantines should be (bold & underlined above), in the hospital, for the sick. Not outside. Not in an old folks home. The quarantines are not for the general public. The siok should be quarantined, the elderly should be advised to stay at home. Positive tests results vs negative test results mean nothing within minutes of them being taken. They are used for political purposes. Chinese testing results cannot be relied upon. Chinese media is strictly controlled and it is the only source available to the masses of China themselves and to the outside world. They essentially can report anything they want to, without concern for any voice of opposition to speak of, or any dissent. Ask any of the dead doctors that didn't realize that early enough. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK October 18, 2020 Everyday, I meet people that do not believe in COVID-19 and ignore as many precautions as they can without being punished with a fine by police. They are easy to identify: they wear masks in a way to not cover nose or even sometimes also mouth. Yesterday we had 9600 new cases and 84 deaths (2 and 3 days ago it was over 100 deaths), for the first time more than US on per capita basis. Health care is overhelmed with the number of new cases and no contact tracing at all. Only people with symptoms are tested and it is very difficult to get tested even if you are ill, you need to have at least 4 out 5 COVID symptoms, which is often not the case in COVID positive people. My idea is that people get used to more and more COVID-19 cases and become indiferrent. What is characteristic for Poland, every day we have 2 numbers of victims: 1. Number of people that died out of COVID-19 : usually 4-7 cases, 2. Number of people that died and had COVID-19 and other serious diseases, for a few days it is about 100 a day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 18, 2020 Testing? Geez. and what Pandemic? It’s over. (If it ever was a pandemic.) and MASKS. Masks hurt the immune system, making people more prone to sickness. If people die solely because of Covid, then they should have done their homework, because there is an abundance of strategies to effectively address Covid. It is out there. People need to research if they are scared of Covid. There are many, many, very effective therapies for addressing a true Covid infection, but the media and governments do not want people to know. The deaths of that low percentage who die solely from Covid are entirely the result of trusting authorities to make us safe. DEATH COUNTS - The death count by the Covid-19 virus itself, alone, is entirely based on a false, confusing premise of how to count deaths. The accounting system was intentionally designed to inflate the numbers of Covid deaths in order to impose authoritarian controls. They changed the accounting method of typical death reporting at the beginning, when WHO first assigned the label “pandemic”. Even at that point, WHO had changed their definition of “pandemic” in order to declare a world pandemic. One example: I believe that a lot of the so-called Covid deaths are actually caused by their previous health condition or complications concerning that condition. In the U.S. every year approximately 240,000 people die in the hospital of sepsis. If a person becomes intubated, there is a strong chance that the person will develop sepsis. Sepsis is often misdiagnosed for other respiratory diseases. Sepsis surely is the cause of a large number of the “official” Covid deaths. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Regarding the PCR “test” a) it’s looking for a not well defined RNA sequence since the virus was never isolated b) it’s very much questionable if the sequence used for matching is sufficient to identify this exact strain and separate it from other similar strains of whatever this virus is c) the threshold, the iteration count is not standardized. Some will double the specimen 30, others will do it 35 while some may go for 40 times. More you multiply, more specimens will be “positive” d) even if we take for granted that this infection is caused by the virus they say it and even if we assume the “test” is looking for the right thing, we still have to understand that amount of virus, according to the theory, is major factor in determining whether or not someone is infected/infectious/ill e) now we can start talking about the false positive rates and introduce even more insecurity in the discussion 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radha + 262 RK October 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said: Testing? Geez. and what Pandemic? It’s over. (If it ever was a pandemic.) and MASKS. Masks hurt the immune system, making people more prone to sickness. If people die solely because of Covid, then they should have done their homework, because there is an abundance of strategies to effectively address Covid. It is out there. People need to research if they are scared of Covid. There are many, many, very effective therapies for addressing a true Covid infection, but the media and governments do not want people to know. The deaths of that low percentage who die solely from Covid are entirely the result of trusting authorities to make us safe. DEATH COUNTS - The death count by the Covid-19 virus itself, alone, is entirely based on a false, confusing premise of how to count deaths. The accounting system was intentionally designed to inflate the numbers of Covid deaths in order to impose authoritarian controls. They changed the accounting method of typical death reporting at the beginning, when WHO first assigned the label “pandemic”. Even at that point, WHO had changed their definition of “pandemic” in order to declare a world pandemic. One example: I believe that a lot of the so-called Covid deaths are actually caused by their previous health condition or complications concerning that condition. In the U.S. every year approximately 240,000 people die in the hospital of sepsis. If a person becomes intubated, there is a strong chance that the person will develop sepsis. Sepsis is often misdiagnosed for other respiratory diseases. Sepsis surely is the cause of a large number of the “official” Covid deaths. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Regarding the PCR “test” a) it’s looking for a not well defined RNA sequence since the virus was never isolated b) it’s very much questionable if the sequence used for matching is sufficient to identify this exact strain and separate it from other similar strains of whatever this virus is c) the threshold, the iteration count is not standardized. Some will double the specimen 30, others will do it 35 while some may go for 40 times. More you multiply, more specimens will be “positive” d) even if we take for granted that this infection is caused by the virus they say it and even if we assume the “test” is looking for the right thing, we still have to understand that amount of virus, according to the theory, is major factor in determining whether or not someone is infected/infectious/ill e) now we can start talking about the false positive rates and introduce even more insecurity in the discussion And the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullus, said some years ago that with the PCR test one can test anyone for virtually anything and get a positive result if one sets it that way. This explains why so many people got both positive and negative results within days. And of course having a positive or negative result is not very informative. The result should be a precise number so one knows if it is negligible or a full on infection. "Conveniently", PCR test inventory Kary Mullus passed away just a few months before the scamdemic began. Otherwise he would be telling everyone that the test is being misused to try to scare and manipulate the people. 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radha + 262 RK October 18, 2020 Dr. Scott Atlas does not seem to be a Big Pharma puppet. That makes him unpopular with most in DC https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2020/10/17/im-not-here-to-make-friends-scott-atlas-is-the-covid-point-man-we-could-have-only-wished-for 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcin2 + 726 MK October 18, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: One example: I believe that a lot of the so-called Covid deaths are actually caused by their previous health condition or complications concerning that condition. In the U.S. every year approximately 240,000 people die in the hospital of sepsis. If a person becomes intubated, there is a strong chance that the person will develop sepsis. Sepsis is often misdiagnosed for other respiratory diseases. Sepsis surely is the cause of a large number of the “official” Covid deaths. ~~ You could demand that your government shows the deaths data in the format already present in Poland: - COVID -19 only deaths : very small number, never got above 7 daily, - deaths of people that had COVID-19 at the time of death but also other life threatening diseases that were the primary cause of their death: lately about 100 daily. This type of presentation is to give comparison with the flu and other such diseases. Most people that died out of flu had heart attack, stroke or cancer in their death certificates not flu. Edited October 18, 2020 by Marcin2 typo 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Marcin2 said: You could demand that your government shows the deaths data Unfortunately, it will never, ever happen in the United States. Our country is too corrupt and it does everything to hide the true facts about many issues. Heck, most Americans do not know... December 1999 – Jury of 12 in Memphis Federal Civil Court – William F. Pepper attorney for the King Family. Twelve jurors unanimously agreed that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as the result of a high-level conspiracy involving the mafia as well as local, state, and federal government entities. It took the jury only an hour or so to render their decision. The transcripts of the trial are on the King Family website. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 October 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said: Unfortunately, it will never, ever happen in the United States. Our country is too corrupt and it does everything to hide the true facts about many issues. Heck, most Americans do not know... December 1999 – Jury of 12 in Memphis Federal Civil Court – William F. Pepper attorney for the King Family. Twelve jurors unanimously agreed that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as the result of a high-level conspiracy involving the mafia as well as local, state, and federal government entities. It took the jury only an hour or so to render their decision. The transcripts of the trial are on the King Family website. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968. BLM, sort of. Let's see, remind me again, what party was in power at that time? Hmm....it seems like....no...yeah...no, it couldn't be...how could the non-racist party...no...well, maybe...was it the Democrat party? Nah, it couldn't have been. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said: December 1999 – Jury of 12 in Memphis Federal Civil Court – William F. Pepper attorney for the King Family. Twelve jurors unanimously agreed that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as the result of a high-level conspiracy involving the mafia as well as local, state, and federal government entities. It took the jury only an hour or so to render their decision. The transcripts of the trial are on the King Family website. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968. Here is the attorney (William F Pepper) who represented the King Family in that case which proved that the government was involved in the assassination, including J Edgar Hoover head of the FBI. Robert F Kennedy (JFK's brother) was assassinated that summer of 1968, and we know now, for sure, that it was not the patsy Sirhan Sirhan. Forensics proves it without a doubt. It too, was a set-up via the CIA. TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/mlk (51 minutes) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 October 18, 2020 I was born in '63 and ever since I can remember anything about President Kennedy it was how beloved he was. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I was told by, er, more than one Texan that their daddy's hated the man so much that they believe their daddies would have gladly pulled the trigger(s). I need to go back and ask those fellers what their daddies thought of MLK and what he was trying to accomplish. Anyway, it begs the question: if they (the deep state, or unelected officials) were willing to take out a sitting U.S. President all the way back in 1963, what are they willing to do today? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said: Anyway, it begs the question: if they (the deep state, or unelected officials) were willing to take out a sitting U.S. President all the way back in 1963, what are they willing to do today? Amen. You said it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Warnick + 6,100 October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said: Amen. You said it. After thinking about my own comment, it made me think: Who is it really that wants the citizenry disarmed? What party gives them a voice in that direction and others? Could it be that they want their figurehead Administration, but they either want them fully on their side or not smart enough to figure out their longer term goals? That might explain Hillary, or all the seemingly useless ones they throw up each election cycle. Why did I start to get a tingling sensation behind my left ear? I wasn't talking about something too sensi 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radha + 262 RK October 19, 2020 We are now 2 weeks into the new flu season. Below table shows the number of flu cases in the last two weeks compared to previous years. There are hardly any flu cases this flu season. Hmm, how could that be? Is it because everything counts as Covid now? Wake up everyone, we are being lied to like never before. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Radha said: We are now 2 weeks into the new flu season. Below table shows the number of flu cases in the last two weeks compared to previous years. There are hardly any flu cases this flu season. Hmm, how could that be? Is it because everything counts as Covid now? Wake up everyone, we are being lied to like never before. Radha! Excellent grab. Do you have a link for the original source? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 19, 2020 (edited) Last time, the website host (Squarespace) and also all the social media platforms including YouTube brought down "America's Frontline Doctors". Bill Gates threw a fit and went on Yahoo Finance to bitch about it. On October 17th, Saturday, they again were before the Supreme Court. Welcome to America’s Frontline Doctors We exist to counter the massive disinformation campaign regarding the pandemic. We are diverse, exceedingly well-credentialed physicians with extensive front line experience treating COVID-19 and the risky health effects due to the lockdowns. There are many early treatment options! Most people do just fine! There is no reason to live in fear! If you would like to know the facts from doctors who are passionate about giving you those facts, watch our videos, found under Summit. If you need access to early treatment go to Referral. If you simply want to understand what “early treatment” is, watch our “Early Treatment” video or look under HCQ Protocols. Unlike the government, CDC, FDA, NIH or any other organization with other motives, we doctors have a fiduciary, moral, ethical, legal and spiritual obligation to help people … and that means you. We are not the media. Please share widely. https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MASKS (2 minute Twitter video) https://twitter.com/o_rips/status/1317681353324863489 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edit I expect YOUTUBE to CENSOR this video like they did months ago. You can watch the video on Bitchute here... https://www.bitchute.com/video/jwieGLuR8yXB/ or here... https://www.bitchute.com/video/kZ0mYQfEPuPu/ Edited October 19, 2020 by Tom Nolan 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 October 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Radha said: We are now 2 weeks into the new flu season. Below table shows the number of flu cases in the last two weeks compared to previous years. There are hardly any flu cases this flu season. Hmm, how could that be? Is it because everything counts as Covid now? Wake up everyone, we are being lied to like never before. With social distancing, washing hands and some people using masks we expect to see fewer flu cases. No need to take something with a logical explanation and turn it into fuel for your conspiracies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Nolan + 2,443 TN October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Enthalpic said: With social distancing, washing hands and some people using masks we expect to see fewer flu cases. This is absolutely insane. You have no understanding of the natural process, instead you wish to harm people by imposing restrictions which harm an individual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites