Police Scotland Buys 180 Hyundai Kona Electrics

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delivery of the first Kona Electric vehicles to Police Scotland will begin in this month with the full order due to be fulfilled by March 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/10/10/police-scotland-buys-180-hyundai-kona-electrics/

 

Spain and Switzerland have also been buying Kona EV for the police:

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by Jay McKinsey

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

delivery of the first Kona Electric vehicles to Police Scotland will begin in this month with the full order due to be fulfilled by March 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/10/10/police-scotland-buys-180-hyundai-kona-electrics/

Jay - a quick check of the net reveals the reality - this from a story in the UK's Daily Mail late last year.

Police have spent millions of pounds on electric cars they admit are useless for chasing suspects or rushing to help victims.

Forces around the country have bought at least 448 environmentally-friendly vehicles to help them meet green energy targets.

But almost all of the cars and vans are being used in non-emergency situations or by chiefs to get to work.

Official police reports conceded that electric vehicles cannot meet the demands of urgent response or pursuit driving. They take too long to charge up to be ready for 999 calls and could run out of battery before a shift ends.

This is about what you'd expect. The article quotes one source as saying almost anything can happen in an emergency call. However, there is no problem about using them in routine work.

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2 minutes ago, markslawson said:

Jay - a quick check of the net reveals the reality - this from a story in the UK's Daily Mail late last year.

Police have spent millions of pounds on electric cars they admit are useless for chasing suspects or rushing to help victims.

Forces around the country have bought at least 448 environmentally-friendly vehicles to help them meet green energy targets.

But almost all of the cars and vans are being used in non-emergency situations or by chiefs to get to work.

Official police reports conceded that electric vehicles cannot meet the demands of urgent response or pursuit driving. They take too long to charge up to be ready for 999 calls and could run out of battery before a shift ends.

This is about what you'd expect. The article quotes one source as saying almost anything can happen in an emergency call. However, there is no problem about using them in routine work.

First generation EV's were not suitable for patrol duties but the second generation now becoming available are. Regardless, the non patrol EV's still represent fleet vehicles switching to EV.

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23 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

First generation EV's were not suitable for patrol duties but the second generation now becoming available are. Regardless, the non patrol EV's still represent fleet vehicles switching to EV.

The police reports cited by the article linked in the post would seem to disagree with that assertion. In any case, it is very difficult to see how any service could use electric for emergency vehicles regardless of advances. It would be the last part of the motoring world to adopt them, if they ever are adopted. If you look at the story the purchases were made as part of meeting mandated green energy targets, not because the police force thought they were useful. Anyway, leave it with you..   

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On 10/10/2020 at 5:24 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

 

delivery of the first Kona Electric vehicles to Police Scotland will begin in this month with the full order due to be fulfilled by March 2021.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/10/10/police-scotland-buys-180-hyundai-kona-electrics/

 

Spain and Switzerland have also been buying Kona EV for the police:

 

180! Wow short oil now! Lol

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On 10/11/2020 at 12:16 AM, markslawson said:

Jay - a quick check of the net reveals the reality - this from a story in the UK's Daily Mail late last year.

Police have spent millions of pounds on electric cars they admit are useless for chasing suspects or rushing to help victims.

Forces around the country have bought at least 448 environmentally-friendly vehicles to help them meet green energy targets.

But almost all of the cars and vans are being used in non-emergency situations or by chiefs to get to work.

Official police reports conceded that electric vehicles cannot meet the demands of urgent response or pursuit driving. They take too long to charge up to be ready for 999 calls and could run out of battery before a shift ends.

This is about what you'd expect. The article quotes one source as saying almost anything can happen in an emergency call. However, there is no problem about using them in routine work.

Which is where Hybrids or Plug in Hybrids have their place. 

The 2.0L Corolla Hybrid Estate is being trialed by many police forces in the UK. Good thing too as they are Uk built. Our police forces should only be using UK manufactured vehicles. 

https://media.toyota.co.uk/2020/06/toyota-corolla-hybrid-fits-the-bill-as-potential-police-patrol-car/#:~:text=TOYOTA COROLLA HYBRID FITS TH

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Jay

You flood the discussions with titillating EV threads that never add up the headlines.  Everybody sees the trend.  We don't need a hockey stick argument every time.  Why can't you type the truth which is, yes, police departments are buying EV but it's to fill a mandate and it's not for urgent response or pursuit driving.  You're the best cheerleader EV could ever have.  But you end up being the ugly cheerleader and we have to shake our collective heads.  

The drip drip drip of positive EV news is impressive.  Stay in your lane.

 

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10 hours ago, NickW said:

The 2.0L Corolla Hybrid Estate is being trialed by many police forces in the UK. Good thing too as they are Uk built. Our police forces should only be using UK manufactured vehicles. 

https://media.toyota.co.uk/2020/06/toyota-corolla-hybrid-fits-the-bill-as-potential-police-patrol-car/#:~:text=TOYOTA COROLLA HYBRID FITS TH

As I pointed out, the trials are all well and good but EVs can't be used in front line police or emergency work, as the police reports cited in the article I link say. In fact it is likely that such work would be the last bastion of ICEs, if EVs are widely adopted. The police have to use them to meet green targets set by governments - so they'd have to work out what non-emergency roles they can be used in. This may include "patrol" work but maybe visiting schools for safety talks, routine detective work and so on. 

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On 10/12/2020 at 11:48 PM, markslawson said:

As I pointed out, the trials are all well and good but EVs can't be used in front line police or emergency work, as the police reports cited in the article I link say. In fact it is likely that such work would be the last bastion of ICEs, if EVs are widely adopted. The police have to use them to meet green targets set by governments - so they'd have to work out what non-emergency roles they can be used in. This may include "patrol" work but maybe visiting schools for safety talks, routine detective work and so on. 

There is no reason why an EV in a high state of charge would be any less effective in a chase than an ICE. I suspect the main obstacle is these vehicles are the most expensive on the fleet and used 24/7 so having them off road to charge eats into that time. 

The Hybrids offer a good compromise option. The 2.0L Corolla is 178 BHP but no reason why this couldn't be upped for pursuit work along with some upgrading of the brakes and perhaps wider tyres. 

Edited October 14, 2020 by NickW

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Police essentially don't do high-speed chases anymore.  Quick responding yes, but chases like the movies are not happening. 

Moderate speed follow, call for assistance...

 

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5 hours ago, NickW said:

There is no reason why an EV in a high state of charge would be any less effective in a chase than an ICE. I suspect the main obstacle is these vehicles are the most expensive on the fleet and used 24/7 so having them off road to charge eats into that time. 

The Hybrids offer a good compromise option.

Note, high state of charge, as you say. Patrol cars might be moving all shift and then have a high speed pursuit. Clearly you can't use EVs for such work. Hybrids are a reasonable compromise. If green is required, go hybrid.. anyway, leave it with you.. 

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12 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Police essentially don't do high-speed chases anymore.  Quick responding yes, but chases like the movies are not happening. 

Moderate speed follow, call for assistance...

 

C'mon. This is Oil Price. Com. Surely all police chases are like the opening scene of Mad Max

A better scene

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by NickW

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On 10/12/2020 at 9:02 AM, markslawson said:

The police reports cited by the article linked in the post would seem to disagree with that assertion. In any case, it is very difficult to see how any service could use electric for emergency vehicles regardless of advances. It would be the last part of the motoring world to adopt them, if they ever are adopted. If you look at the story the purchases were made as part of meeting mandated green energy targets, not because the police force thought they were useful. Anyway, leave it with you..   

Hydrogen cars will fix that?

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They should cancel. Hyundai issued a recall in Europe and North America for Kona because of a fault in the battery cell that can cause it to catch fire just sitting in your garage, no collision necessary.

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12 hours ago, Wombat said:

Hydrogen cars will fix that?

I think they're too early in development, but basically it would have to be an ICE or maybe a hybrid for an emergency vehicle for the foreseeable future .. you would have said the same thing about early cars versus the horse, incidentally.. early cars were prone to breakdowns, the roads were often not suitable for wheeled vehicles and there were no service stations.. horses could refuel on grass. Review the verdict in maybe five years..  

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15 hours ago, Wombat said:

Hydrogen cars will fix that?

Let's go with a regular engine and synthetic gasoline.