covid. stop the carriers and thus stop the virus.

[frankfurter + 562]

China discovered covid was IMPORTED via frozen fish packages, where the covid somehow survived the disinfection procedures.  China conducted nucleic tests of 11mm people in Qindao city in only 5 DAYS. Result; 13 new cases.  New cases are now treated, and all suspected contacts are in isolation.  This is the way to kill the virus, by stopping the spread completely. 5 days does not kill an economy. 11mm people can now go about their normal lives freely, securely, without worries. Only simple hygiene required.

What has USA done? nothing. 60,000 new cases yesterday. Herd immunity is now the official policy. This means hundreds of millions of people must be infected, so millions will suffer, and millions will die. MAGA in action.  

Edited October 16, 2020 by frankfurter

[Hotone + 412]

1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

China discovered covid was IMPORTED via frozen fish packages, where the covid somehow survived the disinfection procedures.  China conducted nucleic tests of 11mm people in Qindao city in only 5 DAYS. Result; 13 new cases.  New cases are now treated, and all suspected contacts are in isolation.  This is the way to kill the virus, by stopping the spread completely. 5 days does not kill an economy. 11mm people can now go about their normal lives freely, securely, without worries. Only simple hygiene required.

What has USA done? nothing. 60,000 new cases yesterday. Herd immunity is now the official policy. This means hundreds of millions of people must be infected, so millions will suffer, and millions will die. MAGA in action.  

You can watch the people getting tested in Qingdao in this video:

 

[Bob D + 562]

Hotone ... Great - they test people.  But I'm embarrassed for you.  You just up voted a post claiming China IMPORTED Covid in frozen fish samples that went through disinfection procedures.  No links.  No support.  And posted by a Chinese troll.  Do you even care who you associate with when wild unsubstantiated claims are made?   Clearly not.

[Gerry Maddoux + 3,627]

8 hours ago, Hotone said:

China conducted nucleic tests of 11mm people in Qindao city in only 5 DAYS. Result; 13 new cases. 

My friend, does it strike you as unusual that they would test 11M people in 5 days for 13 new cases?

It does me. 

Were they surreptitiously testing the new intranasal vaccine that was produced by Altimmune and others? Covid 20?

Asking for a friend (who sometimes read here but is shy). 

[frankfurter + 562]

16 hours ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

My friend, does it strike you as unusual that they would test 11M people in 5 days for 13 new cases?

It does me. 

Were they surreptitiously testing the new intranasal vaccine that was produced by Altimmune and others? Covid 20?

Asking for a friend (who sometimes read here but is shy). 

If you: cannot understand why a nation would want to stop the virus entirely; and cannot distinguish between a vaccine and a diagnostic procedure; then you are the problem. 

Edited October 17, 2020 by frankfurter

[Marcin2 + 726]

On 10/16/2020 at 11:49 AM, frankfurter said:

China discovered covid was IMPORTED via frozen fish packages, where the covid somehow survived the disinfection procedures.  China conducted nucleic tests of 11mm people in Qindao city in only 5 DAYS. Result; 13 new cases.  New cases are now treated, and all suspected contacts are in isolation.  This is the way to kill the virus, by stopping the spread completely. 5 days does not kill an economy. 11mm people can now go about their normal lives freely, securely, without worries. Only simple hygiene required.

What has USA done? nothing. 60,000 new cases yesterday. Herd immunity is now the official policy. This means hundreds of millions of people must be infected, so millions will suffer, and millions will die. MAGA in action.  

The problem in US is that you cannot make 11m people for example in New York to get tested in 5 days, city isolated from the rest of the country till the procedure is finished. And finally you cannot make all Covid positive to be isolated.

This would solve the problem.

But you have civil liberties, so 3 million New Yorkers would refuse testing. Even with all NY cops and judges engaged it would take 30 years to go through the due process and finally test them.

 The whole testing does not have any sense unless you develop serious symptoms and doctors just need to know how to treat you.

You cannot change constitution : Amendment : Civil rights does not include the right to refuse anti-viral testing procedure.

The only logical  result of this thought process is that we have to adjust to life under COVID even with 50,000 new cases and 1,000 dead daily.

There is no 3rd way you cannot eradicate COVID and retain democracy.

We need to live with COVID forever or until succesful vaccine is developed.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Marcin2
typo

[Hotone + 412]

19 hours ago, Bob D said:

Hotone ... Great - they test people.  But I'm embarrassed for you.  You just up voted a post claiming China IMPORTED Covid in frozen fish samples that went through disinfection procedures.  No links.  No support.  And posted by a Chinese troll.  Do you even care who you associate with when wild unsubstantiated claims are made?   Clearly not.

Thanks for pointing out that claim about imported fish, it didn't catch my attention.  In these post-truth days, I usually just zoom into main point of news items, and often ignore the minor details. I then check other sources to verify the facts.  I don't often pay attention to all the minor details, because it would be time consuming to fact check everything.

Regarding the imported fish, this guy talked about it, and the Chinese news outlets reported it as well.

http://www.ecns.cn/m/news/society/2020-09-25/detail-ihaakvpz4254564.shtml

 

[Hotone + 412]

1 hour ago, Marcin2 said:

The problem in US is that you cannot make 11m people for example in New York to get tested in 5 days, city isolated from the rest of the country till the procedure is finished. And finally you cannot make all Covid positive to be isolated.

This would solve the problem.

But you have civil liberties, so 3 million New Yorkers would refuse testing. Even with all NY cops and judges engaged it would take 30 years to go through the due process and finally test them.

 The whole testing does not have any sense unless you develop serious symptoms and doctors just need to know how to treat you.

You cannot change constitution : Amendment : Civil rights does not include the right to refuse anti-viral testing procedure.

The only logical  result of this thought process is that we have to adjust to life under COVID even with 50,000 new cases and 1,000 dead daily.

There is no 3rd way you cannot eradicate COVID and retain democracy.

We need to live with COVID forever or until succesful vaccine is developed.

 

 

 

 

The statistics as of yesterday is 71,000 daily new cases, but the numbers have been going up by 6,000 a day on average recently.  Thankfully, the deaths are still under 1,000 a day.

Trump's rallies are super spreader events and by my count, he has held 8 live in-person rallies this month.  He seems to be accelerating them as the election nears.  Together with the flu season, it will be interesting to see the Covid impact in the next few days.  

[Hotone + 412]

On 10/17/2020 at 4:11 AM, Gerry Maddoux said:

My friend, does it strike you as unusual that they would test 11M people in 5 days for 13 new cases?

It does me. 

Were they surreptitiously testing the new intranasal vaccine that was produced by Altimmune and others? Covid 20?

Asking for a friend (who sometimes read here but is shy). 

China would test 11M people in 5 days because they should.  If a new outbreak is allowed to spread, the economic and human costs will just be too high. E.g. the Covid-19 pandemic is expected to cost America $16 trillion in economic losses and hundreds of thousands of deaths, if they can't get it under control.  Hopefully a new government will do a better job in fighting this disease 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-12/summers-says-covid-19-will-end-up-costing-u-s-16-trillion

At the moment, China has gotten the virus under control - life is normal and their economy is doing great.  Testing is key to preventing this pandemic from coming back.

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Hotone

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

12 hours ago, Hotone said:

The statistics as of yesterday is 71,000 daily new cases, but the numbers have been going up by 6,000 a day on average recently.  Thankfully, the deaths are still under 1,000 a day.

Trump's rallies are super spreader events and by my count, he has held 8 live in-person rallies this month.  He seems to be accelerating them as the election nears.  Together with the flu season, it will be interesting to see the Covid impact in the next few days.  

Super spreader events like Sturgis? 450,000 people one death and a great big nothing burger (other than a thoroughly discredited "study" by a couple of moronic economists). That biker event was supposed to be super spreader. Nothing happened! But yeah, keep pushing the fear, keep guzzling the coolaid. 

BTW, worldometers is a phony site! Absolutely nothing is official from there, I've already linked to their sketchy bona fides. Look it up.  

Edited October 18, 2020 by Ward Smith
Worldometers info

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Super spreader events like Sturgis? 450,000 people one death and a great big nothing burger (other than a thoroughly discredited "study" by a couple of moronic economists). That biker event was supposed to be super spreader. Nothing happened! But yeah, keep pushing the fear, keep guzzling the coolaid. 

BTW, worldometers is a phony site! Absolutely nothing is official from there, I've already linked to their sketchy bona fides. Look it up.  

Absolutely agree.  I brought that event (Sturgis biker rally) to this forum and said at that time that the people who went would tell the rest of the world if it hit them like the media and the Left claimed it would.  It did not.  I also stated that the media and Left were staying silent about the event and would continue to do so unless people started dropping like flies, like they claimed was happening elsewhere.   They stayed quiet with the only follow-on report saying some computer model showed they must be dropping like flies, which they weren't.  Real world data as opposed to "ought to be".

"Worldometers" is fake.  We did indeed look into them only to find they were a made up site to report numbers the Left wanted to put out to the world, bereft of facts.  But, since they were made up by the Left they show up prominently in Google searches as a top search result, which gives them some semblance of a valid result.  They are not.

[0R0 + 6,251]

On 10/17/2020 at 8:46 AM, Marcin2 said:

The problem in US is that you cannot make 11m people for example in New York to get tested in 5 days, city isolated from the rest of the country till the procedure is finished. And finally you cannot make all Covid positive to be isolated.

This would solve the problem.

But you have civil liberties, so 3 million New Yorkers would refuse testing. Even with all NY cops and judges engaged it would take 30 years to go through the due process and finally test them.

 The whole testing does not have any sense unless you develop serious symptoms and doctors just need to know how to treat you.

You cannot change constitution : Amendment : Civil rights does not include the right to refuse anti-viral testing procedure.

The only logical  result of this thought process is that we have to adjust to life under COVID even with 50,000 new cases and 1,000 dead daily.

There is no 3rd way you cannot eradicate COVID and retain democracy.

We need to live with COVID forever or until succesful vaccine is developed.

 

 

 

 

You can't eradicate CV19. Despite claims to the contrary, they didn't. They will continue having sporadic outbreaks because low grade infections continue unnoticed.

In the US and many countries, China's deliberate exporting of CV19 cases created an endemic condition far worse than China's where tracking was already happening anyway and tests were made domestically. US was unprepared, having exported its medical test component production capacity to China. Germany was also in better shape on testing and medical components.

[frankfurter + 562]

9 hours ago, 0R0 said:

You can't eradicate CV19. Despite claims to the contrary, they didn't. They will continue having sporadic outbreaks because low grade infections continue unnoticed.

In the US and many countries, China's deliberate exporting of CV19 cases created an endemic condition far worse than China's where tracking was already happening anyway and tests were made domestically. US was unprepared, having exported its medical test component production capacity to China. Germany was also in better shape on testing and medical components.

 IF you have clear facts to show, please show and explain the means China deployed to export the virus. 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

 

 

On 10/17/2020 at 7:45 PM, Hotone said:

At the moment, China has gotten the virus under control - life is normal and their economy is doing great.  Testing is key to preventing this pandemic from coming back.

Currently China tests 111,163 per 1 million of its population.

USA tests 379,044 per 1 Million

UK tests 426,341

I could go on

When you say China tests 9 million in 5 days it sounds impressive but in reality it isnt due to their enormous population.

Marcin makes the valid point that because the West have civil liberties and China doesnt it makes it very difficult no matter who is the president/prime minister to get this virus under control without removing those liberties (ie lockdowns).

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

In the UK we are experiencing local lockdowns due to spikes in cases.

These lockdowns have shown zero impact on the virus by adopting these measures, the only impact is financial devastation and mental anguish from those business owners/workers who are now left with nothing.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

Wales now gone into lockdown ffs

[Radha + 262]

On 10/17/2020 at 10:17 PM, Hotone said:

The statistics as of yesterday is 71,000 daily new cases, but the numbers have been going up by 6,000 a day on average recently.  Thankfully, the deaths are still under 1,000 a day.

Trump's rallies are super spreader events and by my count, he has held 8 live in-person rallies this month.  He seems to be accelerating them as the election nears.  Together with the flu season, it will be interesting to see the Covid impact in the next few days.  

 

Fyi, since you mentioned the Flu Season. Flu cases and deaths appear to have been counted as Covid in weeks 40 and 41. No surprise there as this was already happening in week April (when the flu case count stopped 6 weeks earlier than in previous years). Why is there such a strong push to test so many asymptomatic people? Perhaps to try to keep the fear levels elevated? The WHO recently admitted that Covid has a similar mortality rate than the flu, and similar average ages of deceased (above 80 years old). Unless they want to stop death which is not possible, this whole intense focus on Covid is just to control the people through fear. It's time to move on and learn to live with it. For a vast majority of people Covid will never be an issue, yet their lives have been completely uprooted this year.