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34 minutes ago, BLA said:

More independent and self reliance.  China should be the number one issue in the U.S. Presidential Campaign in my opinion.

Major ramifications for the future of the United States.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/26/china-to-reveal-its-five-year-fyp-growth-strategy-in-xi-jinping-era.html  

The future of the world.  I mentioned in another thread that this must be addressed now, else it will be much more difficult to extract ourselves and the world from.  I mean there will be war.  If the U.S. and her allies figure this out too late, they will have no other avenue than war.  That's how world wars begin.  Countries/peoples that delude themselves until all options have faded away.  I don't want THIS for my child and grandchildren; we'll work out any environmental problems and challenges as they come, but world war means there will be a better than average chance that my, and your, family will end up wiped out.

A message to our Leftist friends: do not ignore history.  History is not evil.  History reports on the evil that happened and gives you the chance to avoid evil in the future.

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On 10/26/2020 at 11:45 AM, Dan Warnick said:

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35 minutes ago, BLA said:

Some believe China will break up isolate themselves and others believe we are heading to world war.

Which ever it should be the number one issue of this campaign and the candidates have not even debated their stance . . . and Biden has not articulated his stance . (Except last January when he stated, " come on folks, China's not a competitor of the U.S."

The problem is it is not only China at this point.  Yes, they may isolate, in fact I think they will.  But the Left in the West are now doggedly heading in the direction of socialism and that is the part we can affect, and must.

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2 hours ago, BLA said:

Some believe China will break up and isolate themselves and others believe we are heading to world war.

Whichever it is, China should be the number one issue of this presidential Campaign and the candidates have not even debated their stance . . . and Biden has not even  articulated his policy regard China .

(Except last January when he stated, " come on folks, China's not a competitor of the U.S." )

I don't think China will head to war, most likely Taiwan. Simply because this means a sanction after that, Yuan would be trashed and CCP oversea assets frozen as a result. One more reasons who would Xi trust to lead the army given that that general's whole big family assets would be or trashed or frozen after that, along with all the allied families assets? Finally one child policy and unpredictable action if Trump is reelected. 

It is more likely that Xi will nationalize private Chinese companies to remove economics power from the opposite faction which ruled China for more than 20 years. Divide these deeds among his faction families. Then he would try to gain as much from US banks and funds investment as possible to delay the collapse of the economy.  All the big dream BRI, Chip, 5G is not for increase their power in the world but to consolidate Xi's faction credit and power inside the CCP and the normal Chinese people, give them hope.

I believe the best escape for CCP for the unavoidable economics bubble burst is to reform into multiple parties aka democracy, which will provide a big chance for surviving faction to be legally become oligarchs and put the blame on other faction. This also give the Chinese people hope (got the democracy they wanted) and endure the hardship. I would think big international investment fund want a bite in this as well, an opportunity to buy China's national assets cheaply. 

CCP still have a chance to come back to power again under another Party name, like Putin and a fake democracy. They would study Russia progress for risk control. 

The only war I could predict is politicians in US and EU are corrupted by China. Which will lead to bigger division  or the losing side cheating in the US elections that results a civil war in US (EU, China, Russia, Iran, UK, Canada, Australia, Israel, Japan, ME ... may pick a side in this war too financially or even world war).

The pros of individualism are very hard to be brain washed but the cons would be always so chaos and divided. If people have a high standard of living (compares to the rest of the world), they are vulnerable to be corrupted within themselves, lose the honest competition spirit, lazy to think, look for an easy way out every problem that demand patient, making excuses, stop following the traditional individualism, asking for more right and benefits but refusing taking responsibility, less appreciation etc. As a democracy country, the consequence of whatever would be  in the future depends on each war inside the citizen themselves.

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The escalation towards serious defense, with support from the United States, is on in earnest.  The Taiwanese take their direct China threat seriously.  It must be maddening to watch, from about 90 miles away, while a hulking China is backed further into a corner.

US announces $2.4 bn sale of coastal defense systems to Taiwan

 

Taiwan's military police prepare to raise the flag during a ceremony to mark Taiwan National Day at the Presidential Office in Taipei on October 10, 2020

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The United States on Monday announced it had approved a $2.4 billion sale of 100 Harpoon coastal defense systems to Taiwan, a move sure to anger Beijing following Washington's $1 billion missile deal last week with the self-ruled island.

The proposed sale of the Harpoon systems "will help improve the security of the recipient and assist in maintaining political stability, military balance... and progress in the region," the State Department said in a statement.

The deal involves 100 Harpoon Coastal Defense Systems (HCDS), which includes 400 RGM-84L-4 Harpoon Block II Surface Launched Missiles with a maximum range of 75 miles (125 kilometers).

The missiles, manufactured by Boeing, can be positioned on fixed platforms or mounted on trucks.

Democratic and self-ruled Taiwan lives under constant threat of invasion by authoritarian China, whose leaders view the island as part of their territory.

They have vowed to one day seize the island, by force if necessary.

Beijing has ramped up diplomatic and military pressure on Taiwan since the 2016 election of President Tsai Ing-wen, who views the island as a de facto sovereign nation and not part of "one China."

Chinese fighter jets and bombers have entered Taiwan's air defense zone with increasing frequency in recent months, while propaganda films have shown simulated attacks on Taiwan-like territories.

Last Wednesday, the US said it had approved the $1 billion sale of 135  precision-guided, air-launched AGM-84H SLAM-ER cruise missiles -- which unlike the Harpoon have a range greater than the width of the Taiwan Strait that separates the island from mainland China.

In response, Beijing on Monday said it would impose sanctions on Lockheed Martin, a Boeing defense division and other US firms involved the arms sale.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the sanctions were "to safeguard national interests" and would apply to those who have "behaved badly in the process of arms sales to Taiwan."

Zhao did not give further details on the sanctions.

Under the administration of President Donald Trump the US has brought Taiwan into play as part of a wider diplomatic and economic squeeze of rival China, sending high-level envoys and boosting arms sales.

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14 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

The future of the world.  I mentioned in another thread that this must be addressed now, else it will be much more difficult to extract ourselves and the world from.  I mean there will be war.  If the U.S. and her allies figure this out too late, they will have no other avenue than war.  That's how world wars begin.  Countries/peoples that delude themselves until all options have faded away.  I don't want THIS for my child and grandchildren; we'll work out any environmental problems and challenges as they come, but world war means there will be a better than average chance that my, and your, family will end up wiped out.

A message to our Leftist friends: do not ignore history.  History is not evil.  History reports on the evil that happened and gives you the chance to avoid evil in the future.

Why should there be war?  Isn't your wife a Chinese national?  Your children are half Chinese?  Don't you think your children and grandchildren will have a good future?

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3 hours ago, Hotone said:

Why should there be war?  Isn't your wife is a Chinese national?  Your children are half Chinese?  Don't you think your children and grandchildren will have a good future?

That's what you took from my comment?  That I am promoting war or that I want it or that I think it should happen?  C'mon, man!

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20 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

That's what you took from my comment?  That I am promoting war or that I want it or that I think it should happen?  C'mon, man!

So what do you want?  What's wrong with China becoming more independent, self reliant and isolationist and creating a moderately prosperous society for itself?

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5 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Do what do you want?  What's wrong with China becoming more independent, self reliant and isolationist and creating a moderately prosperous society for itself?

"Do what do you want?"  What does that mean?

I did not say I want war or that it needs to happen.  History tells why and when nations go to war.  My advice is to not forget history and the missed opportunities to de-escalate that it (history) can teach and be learned from.

I'd suggest you re-read my comment.  You are getting it all wrong.

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20 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

"Do what do you want?"  What does that mean?

I did not say I want war or that it needs to happen.  History tells why and when nations go to war.  My advice is to not forget history and the missed opportunities to de-escalate that it (history) can teach and be learned from.

I'd suggest you re-read my comment.  You are getting it all wrong.

Autocorrected by Google 😅. "So, what do you want?"

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13 minutes ago, Hotone said:

Autocorrected by Google 😅. So, what do you want?

I don't want anything.  It's called a comment.

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13 hours ago, BLA said:

More independence and self reliance.  China should be the number one issue in the U.S. Presidential Campaign in my opinion.

Major ramifications for the future of the United States.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/26/china-to-reveal-its-five-year-fyp-growth-strategy-in-xi-jinping-era.html  

Alibaba is issuing an IPO for their ANT fintech company.  It will be the largest IPO ever , even beating ARAMCO's IPO.  Probably more than $34 Billion IPO.  

The key is to note they are stiffing the U.S. Investment Bank and listing in Hong Kong and Shanghai.

Three years ago they would never even imagined an IPO of this size without listing in U.S. with U.S. investment Bankers. 

The world is changing.

And the U.S. is asleep at the wheel (or basement, Joe ? You awake ?)

Clearly, you and many other here are victims of propaganda, which directs you to believe China is your main problem.

The main problem for 'murcans has nothing to do with China, or Russia, or anybody else.  America is today a rentier economy, controlled by a few who are hoarding the wealth. The wealth of a nation is based not upon how much it hoards, but upon how much it can produce.  Trump is partly correct when he says America needs to get back to production: re MAGA. The problem is; what will be the costs and results of transitioning away from rentier to manufacturing? Answer; extremely high, and will be intensely resisted by the rentiers. And the results will not be what the proletariat hope: all new manufacturing will be robotic and AI based. Thus, whether America continues as a rentier or moves into a manufacturier, the simple fact is human capital is no longer a valuable commodity: average people no longer have any value.

So, let's suppose the 'murcan war machine succeeds to cripple China back to the 1800s. How will this solve the fundamental rentier problem of America?  Answer; it will not and can not. The rentier class will gain enormously, but YOU will gain nothing: you will be simply the tool and the victim of the rentier class.

The proof is so utterly plain to see. Trump and many others have advocated the US print UNLIMITED amounts of new dollars during the so-called covid crisis. Some $6 trillion have been printed. Where did it go? Have YOU received anything? That $6tn went to the rentier class.

So exactly what are you fighting and dying for?

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, BLA said:

Some believe China will break up and isolate themselves and others believe we are heading to world war.

Whichever it is, China should be the number one issue of this presidential Campaign and the candidates have not even debated their stance . . . and Biden has not even  articulated his policy regard China .

(Except last January when he stated, " come on folks, China's not a competitor of the U.S." )

His stand has been made very clearly by his family's business dealings and his son Hunter's porn filming in China. https://gnews.org/category/guo_us/ The Chinese peoples resistance has been very active. This is one link to it.

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48 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

His stand has been made very clearly by his family's business dealings and his son Hunter's porn filming in China. https://gnews.org/category/guo_us/ The Chinese peoples resistance has been very active. This is one link to it.

Bad music, too.  That may not be a crime, but C'mon, Man!

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On 10/27/2020 at 11:59 AM, Dan Warnick said:

I don't want anything.  It's called a comment.

I mean what is the outcome that you are looking at for America and her allies and what do you want them to do? 

China has always produced development plans every five years to improve the country and livelihood of her people and to eradicate poverty.  China has the goal to escape the middle income trap and create a moderately prosperous society.  

As far back as 2012, one of my Indian colleagues told me that one day, there will be an incredible amount of automation in China.  He had business dealings in China and could see the trends.  So, today, China continues to plan and execute and progress.  Is there anything wrong with that?

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