Biden said he won't make CV19 vaccine mandatory . . BUT . . . .

[Bla2 + 31]

Here is their backdoor plan to do just that :

The process will be when you get the vaccine you will receive a Federal issued "vaccine card" with a requirement to receive the second vaccone injection by a second date (3 or 4 weeks dependent on vaccine mfg)

The Federal issued card with all your personal data (name, age, address, etc, etc).  Your personal data (medical data) will be sent to CDC and be maintained in a CDC Federal Government database.  

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ? 

What are the chances of either state or Federal Congressional legislation that require restaurants , airlines, sports venues, concert venues, hotels, schools, church etc, etc, etc to only allow patrons or customers to be served or allowed entry to "vaccine card" holders ? ? ?

If you get a vaccine or not is part of your personal MEDICAL RECORDS.

THERE ARE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT YOUR MEDICAL RECORD PRIVACY. 

HIPAA LAWS

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule. 

Does this not violate HIPAA LAW ?

 

Is this like China's "social credit" system where every Chinese citizen will be on the database and graded on their social contribution ?

The difference in the U.S. will be that Twitter and Facebook will be in the ones authorized to grade you. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186  

  

 

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bla2

[Bla2 + 31]

5 hours ago, Bla2 said:

 

The Federal issued card with all your personal data (name, age, address, etc, etc).  Your personal data (medical data) will be sent to CDC and be maintained in a CDC Federal Government database.  

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ? 

 

Any HIPAA experts ?

I guess it could be worse.  They could tattoo a "V" on your arm to show you received the vaccine. 

UK likely to issue "Coronavirus Immunity Passport"

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/05/coronavirus-immunity-passports-likely-be-possible-says-uk-govt-science-advisers/ 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Bla2

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

36 minutes ago, Bla2 said:

THERE ARE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT YOUR MEDICAL RECORD PRIVACY. 

HIPAA LAWS

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule. 

Does this not violate HIPAA LAW ?

Laws and The American Constitution no longer apply nor are enforceable.  The Elite can change the rules anytime (and always have.)

However, currently The Elite have a great pretext...

https://www.corbettreport.com/covid911/

(33 minutes)

Where is all of this insanity leading towards?....See these THREADS...

https://community.oilprice.com/topic/21211-the-world-economic-forum-davos-setting-the-agenda-on-fossil-fuels-global-regulations-etc/

https://community.oilprice.com/topic/21316-“your-guide-to-the-great-reset”-new-world-order-technocratic-plans-for-energy-and-you/

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

51 minutes ago, Bla2 said:

Here is their backdoor plan to do just that :

The process will be when you get the vaccine you will receive a Federal issued "vaccine card" with a requirement to receive the second vaccone injection by a second date (3 or 4 weeks dependent on vaccine mfg)

The Federal issued card with all your personal data (name, age, address, etc, etc).  Your personal data (medical data) will be sent to CDC and be maintained in a CDC Federal Government database.  

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ? 

What are the chances of either state or Federal Congressional legislation that require restaurants , airlines, sports venues, concert venues, hotels, schools, church etc, etc, etc to only allow patrons or customers to be served or allowed entry to "vaccine card" holders ? ? ?

If you get a vaccine or not is part of your personal MEDICAL RECORDS.

THERE ARE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT YOUR MEDICAL RECORD PRIVACY. 

HIPAA LAWS

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule. 

Does this not violate HIPAA LAW ?

 

Is this like China's "social credit" system where every Chinese citizen will be on the database and graded by this year ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186  

  

 

 

All businesses, or almost all, will meet whatever government mandates, so if you don't have an up to date vaccine card.......don't bother coming in until you do.  Oh, by the way, this policy is good for 6 weeks, at which time you will be let go.  So sorry, mate, we just can't accept the liability, and so that's the company's policy now.  Good luck eating.  Or getting another job.  Or getting your kids into school.

No, it won't be mandatory, but.....

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

Step right up.  Get your vaccine cards here!

Vaccination cards will be issued to everyone getting COVID-19 vaccine, health officials say

Don't kid yourself.  Almost every one of us will have to get a vaccine.  If you don't, you will face restrictions that you (probably, most people) can't afford.

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

Can the government actually make people take a vaccine?

Actually, yes.

But there is legislative precedent dating back to a U.S. Supreme Court case in 1905 called Jacobson v. Massachusetts that allows the government to mandate vaccinations.

In that case, the Supreme Court said that states have under their police powers, which is under the Constitution, the authority to enact reasonable regulations as necessary to protect public health, public safety, and the common good. Vaccination mandates constitute exactly that kind of permissible state action to protect the public’s health. Even though it’s 115 years old, this continues to be the benchmark case on the state’s power to mandate vaccination.

In response to the argument about this individual liberty interest, the court said that sometimes individual interests might have to yield to state laws that endeavor to protect the health of everybody—the “common good.” The court said: “The rights of the individual may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public may demand.”

So, yes: Once COVID vaccines are available, states could elect to require that people who live within that state be vaccinated. (source)

Despite this law being in place, mandating the vaccine will probably not be the first method used by the government.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

7 minutes ago, Tom Nolan said:

“The rights of the individual may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public may demand.”

So, yes: Once COVID vaccines are available, states could elect to require that people who live within that state be vaccinated. (source)

Despite this law being in place, mandating the vaccine will probably not be the first method used by the government.

The words "under the pressure of great danger" requires the proof that there is a "great" danger, presumably derived from real cleaned up, specific to Covid-19 death rates (only) data, not just the mixing of causal data.

But as I stated above, it won't matter.  Forcing you to take the vaccines will be mandated by your ability to carry on a normal life: it will be a prerequisite to getting a job or getting your kids into school.  Not much else is necessary. 

Whoever came up with the pandemic idea, and getting the MSM to support it unquestioningly, I have to say it is brilliant to achieving their goals, evil or not.

[Bla2 + 31]

59 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

The words "under the pressure of great danger" requires the proof that there is a "great" danger, presumably derived from real cleaned up, specific to Covid-19 death rates (only) data, not just the mixing of causal data.

 

Regard CV19 , "under the pressure of great danger" is debatable .

The longterm safety of mRNA vaccines are in question. 

Can they mandate participation in their , "experiment"  ?

Fauci now says U.S. needs 75% to 85% of the population for immunity. 

So.   80% X 350 million = 280 million vaccinated

2 doses each X 280 million = 560 million doses X $20 dose =

That's just the cost of the vaccine

A cold chain  logistic nightmare for anyone

Wouldn't it be easier to vaccine those high risk individuals ?

Edited December 5, 2020 by Bla2

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 hours ago, Bla2 said:

Regard CV19 , "under the pressure of great danger" is debatable .

The longterm safety of mRNA vaccines are in question. 

Can they mandate participation in their , "experiment"  ?

Fauci now says U.S. needs 75% to 85% of the population for immunity. 

So.   80% X 350 million = 280 million vaccinated

2 doses each X 280 million = 560 million doses X $20 dose =

That's just the cost of the vaccine

A cold chain  logistic nightmare for anyone

Wouldn't it be easier to vaccine those high risk individuals ?

Agreed.  

What about risk to risk?  I want to know what the risk to vaccinate the most high risk people first is vs chances of them getting, suffering from and possibly dying from Covid-19 is.

In fact, does the same risk justify vaccinating those under 60 at all?

What happened to the government's insistence that herd immunity cannot be reached.  They used to be adamant that that wasn't even possible.  Don't tell me they have flipped/flopped on that as well? 

Now herd immunity, that thing that anyone speaking of a month ago was castigated about, is actually accurate and possible?  Has anyone said, "Oh, sorry, you were right" to all those previously castigated?  Nah, nobody says sorry and heaven forbid they say they were wrong anymore.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

6 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

The words "under the pressure of great danger" requires the proof that there is a "great" danger, presumably derived from real cleaned up, specific to Covid-19 death rates (only) data, not just the mixing of causal data.

 

How much proof did trump present to order killing Qasem Soleimani? Without proof that was an international crime / act of war.  Bush had his missing WOMD.  Politicians do not need proof.

"Covid only " death rates is garbage science. Essentially everyone has a comorbidity that would NOT kill them without covid.  People are not dying from hypertension, well-controlled diabetes, or moderate asthma - it's only when you add covid do they die, hence covid deaths.

 

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

The people you want to fear on the "mandatory" vaccination front is not the government but your health care and life insurance providers.

They can almost certainly increased your premiums or deny to cover you if you refuse the vaccine.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Enthalpic

[Boat + 1,323]

13 hours ago, Bla2 said:

Here is their backdoor plan to do just that :

The process will be when you get the vaccine you will receive a Federal issued "vaccine card" with a requirement to receive the second vaccone injection by a second date (3 or 4 weeks dependent on vaccine mfg)

The Federal issued card with all your personal data (name, age, address, etc, etc).  Your personal data (medical data) will be sent to CDC and be maintained in a CDC Federal Government database.  

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ? 

What are the chances of either state or Federal Congressional legislation that require restaurants , airlines, sports venues, concert venues, hotels, schools, church etc, etc, etc to only allow patrons or customers to be served or allowed entry to "vaccine card" holders ? ? ?

If you get a vaccine or not is part of your personal MEDICAL RECORDS.

THERE ARE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT YOUR MEDICAL RECORD PRIVACY. 

HIPAA LAWS

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule. 

Does this not violate HIPAA LAW ?

 

Is this like China's "social credit" system where every Chinese citizen will be on the database and graded on their social contribution ?

The difference in the U.S. will be that Twitter and Facebook will be in the ones authorized to grade you. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186  

  

 

 

Another conspiracy theory. Imagine that.

[Bla2 + 31]

11 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

The people you want to fear on the "mandatory" vaccination front is not the government but your health care and life insurance providers.

They can almost certainly increased your premiums or deny to cover you if you refuse the vaccine.

 

 

Maybe in your Canadian National Health System.

That will never happen in U.S. . ... ... ..   unless of course Biden and Bernie Sanders pass "Universal Healthcare".  Then maybe. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bla2

[Bla2 + 31]

Did you see Biden changed his story about his broken foot.

Now he says he was in the shower when his dog brought him a ball to throw.  He said he threw the ball "down a narrow alley" and chased the dog.  The dog slid on a rug , bunched it up and Joe tripped on the carpet and broke foot.

Can you picture 77 year old naked Biden chasing his dog down the hallway. 

Very suspect story.  If dogs could talk.

We had to remove all the rugs from my grandmother's house. A major hazard for the elderly.   There are a lot of rugs in the Whitehouse.  Where will they put them all.  

They should get Joe a walker. That would help. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bla2

[Bla2 + 31]

Someone told there are sources for a faux "vaccine certificate". He said there is a market developing for them. 

Will a restaurant or airline have access to the CDC database to confirm authenticity ? Is HIPPA dead ?

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bla2

[Bla2 + 31]

19 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

The words "under the pressure of great danger" requires the proof that there is a "great" danger, presumably derived from real cleaned up, specific to Covid-19 death rates (only) data, not just the mixing of causal data.

But as I stated above, it won't matter.  Forcing you to take the vaccines will be mandated by your ability to carry on a normal life: it will be a prerequisite to getting a job or getting your kids into school.  Not much else is necessary. 

Whoever came up with the pandemic idea, and getting the MSM to support it unquestioningly, I have to say it is brilliant to achieving their goals, evil or not.

Respectfully disagree.

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bla2

[ericdevito + 3]

Well if the trials for vaccines's are using the useless PCR testing kit all their data and effectiveness percentages go down the drain. And it should.

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

31 minutes ago, ericdevito said:

Well if the trials for vaccines's are using the useless PCR testing kit all their data and effectiveness percentages go down the drain. And it should.

Your hatred of the PCR test is perceived false positives.  If anything that means the vaccine is even MORE effective than suggested. 

Think.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2020 by Enthalpic

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 12/5/2020 at 2:28 PM, Bla2 said:

Regard CV19 , "under the pressure of great danger" is debatable .

The longterm safety of mRNA vaccines are in question. 

Can they mandate participation in their , "experiment"  ?

Fauci now says U.S. needs 75% to 85% of the population for immunity. 

So.   80% X 350 million = 280 million vaccinated

2 doses each X 280 million = 560 million doses X $20 dose =

That's just the cost of the vaccine

A cold chain  logistic nightmare for anyone

Wouldn't it be easier to vaccine those high risk individuals ?

They will be second, right after the health care workers. The vaccines should not be mandatory at all. I am looking forward to mine ASAP though. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 12/6/2020 at 9:12 AM, Bla2 said:

Respectfully disagree.

I would not say COVID is a GREAT Danger. Smallpox, Ebola, Bubonic Plague, and such are.

My grandson doesn't want his kid to get vaccinated so has to pay for private care rather than a licensed business. I disagree with him.  

Edited December 8, 2020 by ronwagn
add

[Zhong Lu + 845]

If Iran launched a nuke at the US and killed 100k people, would that be a big deal? I mean, if 250k deaths from a virus is nothing to worry about, I don't see why we should get all so worked up about nuclear weapons.  

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 12/5/2020 at 8:01 PM, Enthalpic said:

How much proof did trump present to order killing Qasem Soleimani? Without proof that was an international crime / act of war.  Bush had his missing WOMD.  Politicians do not need proof.

"Covid only " death rates is garbage science. Essentially everyone has a comorbidity that would NOT kill them without covid.  People are not dying from hypertension, well-controlled diabetes, or moderate asthma - it's only when you add covid do they die, hence covid deaths.

 

 

True, but most are so old that it barely effects the age of death over the general population. That is not a reason for the individual, friends, and family to rejoice. Just for the big picture. 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

On 12/6/2020 at 10:11 PM, Bla2 said:

Someone told there are sources for a faux "vaccine certificate". He said there is a market developing for them. 

Will a restaurant or airline have access to the CDC database to confirm authenticity ? Is HIPPA dead ?

Hmmm.  I rather like the sounds of that.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

On 12/9/2020 at 5:07 AM, ronwagn said:

True, but most are so old that it barely effects the age of death over the general population. That is not a reason for the individual, friends, and family to rejoice. Just for the big picture. 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

 

Keep repeating of the Johns Hopkins article.  They hate facts.  Over and over again.

 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Dan Warnick

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

We as a people, the U.S. people have to take responsibility for the cover up of a lifetime.  It is criminal and it is criminal for us to allow our doctors to be ignored while they are our only collective chance of survival of all of this craziness.